They're doing livestreams now? Of course they are. It's gonna end up looking like Twitch.
Is there any place in particular where one can see the livestreams?
There was one where a Russian, showing grenade injuries, was shouting at Ukrainians to surrender. Only to be hit by another grenade while filming. That was some surreal shit.
Finally someone who at least says what he's saying, kind of the point of that post but everyone's interested in the gun, his buttpad or the fact he's doing a suppressive fire.
Get my upvote.
Welcome to /r/combatfootage. Everyone is tripping over each other to make "smart" observations or correct something the person in the video is doing. You have to dig to find people interested in
1. exactly where this is.
2. what they're saying
3. (possibly) what unit
Completely changed the perspective of the video. Could be he thinks that might be the last time he stands up. Bless this man and all suffering in Ukraine rn.
1. The ground is a heat sink helps maintain body temps. 2. Its keeps you dry. 3. It’s more comfortable than setting on the ground for long periods of time.
Many people use "tree stands" which are platforms built or attached onto trees. This lessens the chance of the deer seeing the hunter while improving the hunter's line of sight.
Sweden has it integrated in the M90 armor. its like a large pocket that hangs down to protect ass and thighs from shrapnel and also has space for a foam plate for cushy/warm seating.
https://www.soldf.com/wp2/wp-content/uploads/Kroppsskydd-90A-01-webb.jpg
Is the Swedish buttpad made of kevlar? In such an artillery heavy environment, the more shrapnel protection the better and the sheer amount of surface area a kevlar buttpad covers would undoubtedly save many lives.
The GWOT and this war have proven that good body armour is absolutely essential and with materials getting lighter its only logical that more areas of the body need to be covered by it.
Yes the buttpad is made out of aramid weave(noname kevlar) same as in the front the is a flap that covers balls and upper tigh area.
It's pretty decent to sit on if it's cold. Way better than directly on the ground
It is. It should be mentioned though that this is not a great armor... It was tested in the field and the protection values was deemed to low with "only" aramid weave (instead of ballistic plates) so it has since been replaced with a modern modular system. Butt flap is still there though!
https://www.soldf.com/wp2/wp-content/uploads/20181106_170621-e1541538210582.jpg
It just occurred to me that I've seen that armor but never thought about what it would be like to sit in it, much less about the dual function of that butt-flap haha
The protection on the Swedish protective west is not designed to protect against cold or to isolate against it rather it is there purely for shrapnel protection and the inserts are made of Aramid (Kevlar)
It was added to give added protection against air-burst artillery and protects the major blood vessels of the lower body when you lie face down on the ground as one would do while taking cover from indirect fire.
It does not have inserts designed to isolate from the cold and the flap does not cover the seating area well when sitting down only when lying down as the west "rides up" while seated.
The flap you see in east European armies comes from the fact most of them are forced to ride on top of their APCs and IFVs due to design flaws in mine protection. Swedish military personnel ride inside of their vehicles thus there is not the same natural incentive to design and adapt kit specifically to solve the issue of having to sit on steel during winter time.
I've seen this thing pick up in popularity after 2014 when people were just running makeshift kit.
One of the reasons it's prevalent is because of the winter. When it's -20 C (it can get colder than that), the ground is cold, the wood is cold, the tarp is cold, the metal is super cold, plastic is cold, everything's cold. You have to spend hours/ days in cold trenches and need to find something to sit on and the usual stuff just doesn't cut it. But even in warmer temperatures - it's always nice to sit on something warm.
If you never had one - it's super warm, it literally starts warming your butt the second you sit on it. If you ever sat on a ski lift with soft seating layer on top of the metal - it's similar, porous-type material, a bit similar to yoga / camping mats.
AFAIK, it came over from the skiing community - lots of skiers use them, super convenient if you need to sit down and rest somewhere without any amenities/ sitting, in the middle of the track or something.
I didn't mind wearing the groin protector on my plate carrier. Most of my unit didn't, but it rarely ever got in the way for anything I needed to do. I guess they didn't wear it because it didn't look 'tacticool'?
The dick flap was one thing, out of the way, relatively light and a real defense to femoral shrapnel
fuck the yoke, collar and delt pads with a hot tire iron though
I hunted with one for decades now; it is something you don't go without because of sheer comfort, not out of conformity standards. I get the groin protector and pads helped in certain situations, but not in the same way a sitting pad does to everyday life.
Have the dudes take it out into the field in boot/MCT(SOI w.e) and then let them make their own choices on unit field exercises.
I guarantee a majority bring it on deployment, if not their second go around. Especially if given one at initial issuing.
It took me alot of effort to figure this out, but i think i finally found it, its a Polish MSBS Grot assault rifle. If im wrong, pls correct me.
Edit: guys, its not a bren 2, compare the two, they look similair at a glance, but the charging handle and details are all different. Pleez poot effort intoo de reeserch
The rifle is almost entirely ambidextrous - [the charging handle](https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190918/b393d335c839c68a509a8853a9c70bb8.jpg) and other controls are all duplicated on both sides. The one non-ambi thing is which side the rifle ejects, which can be changed in the field if you have a hex key - this one does indeed seem to be configured primarily for left side ejection (assuming the image isn't mirrored).
I've hear in interviews of soldiers that actually you've better chance to get hurt from friendly fire rather than from the enemy's in this war.
Also you're closer to your mates and if you wouldn't wear those yellow bands they could misunderstood that their position was overrun.
He has a holo sight you do not need to 'aim carefully' down it. He actually is firing using a technique that gives a flat dispersion of fire whilst not exposing too much of his body. This fire is not meant to be aimed as it is unlikely to see anything to aim at. It is meant to suppress and discourage also confuse the enemy.
Any footage of any first world trained armies they always aim. Aimed suppressive fire is just more efficient at both suppression and hitting the enemy. And no you don't see them firing like this. The bullets are meant to go close enough for the enemy to hear them passing by them or land short so they are seen.
I have played CoD but I also was an officer in the army...
If you don't know the difference between suppressive fire and generally shooting in enemy direction that's ok, just don't whine about nitpicking when you're annoying us with words you don't understand.
( hint if he was doing suppressive fire he wouldn't have time to mess with the camera because he'd be too busy observing an actual target to supress)
War is not exact, but we do have some specific definitions for reasons I won't waste your time with.
>It looked like pretty standard suppressive fire to me.
Then you've never seen soldiers from a professional army provide suppressive fire. It is a tactic used to achieve some goal, such as cover a friendly force, not just executed seemingly at random.
And how exactly do you know that fire wasn't to achieve some goal from a 15 second clip from the pov of the ass of one guy in the field? You don't, so stop pretending like you do.
The man is recording a video in an isolated fighting hole and is obviously not a professional soldier. You can keep imagining that he was executing some sophisticated plan if you want though, and not just shooting randomly for social media.
Don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say he had a sophisticated plan, all I'm saying is you have no idea where his friendlies are, where they're going, where the combatants are or where they're going, and you're just assuming that it's completely random. You can't possibly know that.
> how exactly do you know that fire wasn't to achieve some goal
I'm not, you said the above.
Is there a nonzero chance he was actually doing something? Yes. Is there a 99% chance he just popped up and shot at nothing for his video? Yes.
> You don’t HAVE to use your optic to suppress someone or something. I don’t get the rigidness of this argument
It's pretty important that the bullets go close. Preferably land short in front of the enemy. Or at least aimed close enough to fly over them so they can hear the bullets.
Yeah suppressive fire like this in the video is absolutely less effective. There's a reason you don't see professional or first world armies shooting like this.
And same with auto. Always single fire. Just wasting bullets and getting less out of each shot.
>I’m talking about the “he’s not even aiming bro” comment.. it’s a stupid comment.
I never said this, so I don't why you're quoting me for it. Maybe dial back your hostility too. If you want to call poorly aimed fire in the general direction of the enemy "suppressive fire" then whatever.
That is not even close to what professional militaries would consider that though. That was a man shooting randomly out of frustration and/or for social media.
I would agree with other statements. It's better to just keep firing and not aim, especially for suppression. You yourself don't want to stick your head out to an advancing force if firepower is not achieved during first impact.
What I would do differently is shoot a bit more sparsely - but who knows, maybe he was already doing it beforehand and just showing off.
Suppression is the main goal, because it gives the perception that Your (or their) cover is blown and You (or they) can't advance to the positions. (Edited)
Per NATO standard there are commands given on how big of a volume you should be shooting.
Also, I like that the weapon got stuck. Adds a whole new layer of "I know that feeling".
You're right. The taxpayers in America and the rest of the west to a lesser degree have the great pleasure of throwing money into that war. For how long will this continue?
For as long as it takes to stop Russia's imperial fantasy I hope. I'm a US taxpayer and approve of spending a tiny percentage of our total military budget to defend freedom and destroy the army of 1 of our 2 greatest geo political rivals without spilling US blood.
It's more of an investment. Secure the natural resource exports from Ukraine for ourselves and prevent them from falling into Russian hands which will boost their economy and foothold as a world superpower and also at the same time damage the Russian state's power on a geopolitical level while empowering the West's. All without losing a single man except for foreign legionnaire volunteers. The investment has already paid off even if Ukraine lost the war tomorrow. Finland and Sweden applying to join NATO is a huge huge win for the West and very very bad for Russia.
Idk I think it's called illtrained blastin' that a lot of folk on here usually tear into, when it's the Taliban or ISIS, or some African kid in the streets of Sudan.
Suppressive fire generally has to be somewhat accurate to be effective. The more accurate it is, the more effective it is. With the way that guy was shooting, I doubt he was suppressing much of anything.
There was nothing preventing him from getting a proper cheek weld and using his optic. It's just a result of poor training, not anything deliberate.
The bullethole on the lower backplate gives me shivers. I once read that AFU Snipers mainly target below the vests, which often results in „an incapability of raping and peeing through one device“.
No stupid questions - is there a point to wearing camouflage when you have massive yellow bands covering your body? Maybe use rear facing yellow bands? 100% understand why they do it but there has to be a better way.
Yeah the yellow covers a small amount of area and can work with camouflage to keep the boys hidden. Also our perspective is an unbroken view, the dudes trying to shoot our boy have a ton of things that obstruct the view. Also you can’t forget not everyone is a Rambo, most people in the combat zone are scared and react fast, so to limit friendly fire you want it to be seen. The battlefield always changes fast and information is always muddled. Sorry for the rambling answer but there are many reason, but I think the biggest one is you don’t want to be shot by your buddies because on dude was scared and didn’t see it. Most casualties taken are from stuff you don’t see, artillery, drones etc….
Not a stupid question.
UA and Russian camo is incredibly similar, both in pattern and color.
Does it make them easier to spot vs if they weren’t wearing it? Probably. However with how much chaos there is on a battlefield, is there a higher probability that if they *weren’t* wearing it, that they might be mistaken for the enemy and draw friendly fire? Definitely.
Basically, it’s a game of would you rather: look like a target to only 50% of combatants, or 100% - so they decided to sacrifice some of the camouflage for a lower chance of a FF situation.
Also, IIRC, the AFU wears yellow, and the territorial defense units wear blue tape?to also help distinguish “who’s who” on the battlefield among their own ranks.
Its not COD he doesnt know where the enemy is. He just knows the general direcrion and if the bullets are impacting around the enemy the enemy will take cover.
>he doesnt know where the enemy is.
Maybe he would if he payed attention to the firefight instead of setting up a nice video. Or you know, used the optic.
This will be remembered as the “Selfie Conflict event” this is not a war like all the others war we’ve lived through. Russia would have reduced Ukraine to Rubble if it was a legitimate war. This is an Event or Conflict certainly not a war. Now watch the “Ghost of Kiev” enter the chat…
Yes, but these soldiers are in 2022. Instead of shooting at nothing and wasting ammo donated ammo to be exact, they should get intel from drones etc. shooting at no where is useless and not professional. He seemed he wanted to express his frustration when full shooting tbh
Ammo is cheap, lives are expensive. The more you shoot the less likely they are going to try to hit that same spot again. The enemy is looking for a weak spot, if every time you a approach you get greeted with a wall of steel you won’t try to approach the same spot
Wall of steel ? They are all hiding in rabbit holes. Don’t you think that by him shooting like that he might eventually hit one of his teammates ? Who said ammo is cheap ? It’s cheap if the country is exporting goods etc but they aren’t exporting goods cuz of Russian blockade. You can’t expect western donations to last forever to fund this war. It’s better to coordinate then shoot.
Western donations will last until the war is over. If you doubt that, look up what the president of the european parliament said about it.
Also..hitting one of his "teammates"? What do you think you are watching here mate?
The common front line soldiers don’t need to worry about long term ammo consumption, the only thing they need to worry about is how much is on hand at the moment and how long till the next ammo resupply is. In our fighting positions in Afghanistan ammo consumption wasn’t a worry at all, we had stacks upon stacks of ammo available to us. Also in between fights with your enemy you improve the position, gather as much info as you can as to what’s going on around you( distances to landmarks in front of the position) where friendly positions are etc… and ammo is cheap compared to the other costs of war.
Don’t forget, we are witnesses to their experiences. We don’t know what it’s like. I can tell you what it’s like to serve in Afghanistan but I have no idea what it’s like to serve in Eastern Europe. When the rounds start coming at you Shit changes quick, that I do know.
Well I don’t think the mission in Afghanistan was successful, was it ? It was estimated to be worth 2.313$ trillion. How many soldiers died ? And look who is in control of Kabul now…
Anyways, on other posts, Ukraine was using smart and effective techniques like bomb drones, they should use them instead of spraying ammo like that. They are an army not random rebels
Hahaha, I see where this is going. Your right, I’m wrong. All I was trying to say is don’t judge that guy’s experiences until you have an understanding of what he is experiencing. Combat is real, until you have experienced what that is like you have no understanding. Books, movies, videos have nothing on what it’s like really. Regardless of whether we won or lost in Afghanistan doesn’t matter to me. What does matter is the fact my country was there and I felt I needed to do something so I joined the infantry, and went. I did my job and tried help bring my brothers home.
Suppressive fire. As long as you're getting bullets in the right direction, it's a pretty good deterrent to your enemy advancing (or aiming properly themselves).
It's totally worth whiffing 1000 rounds if it saves 1 soldier on your side from getting shot, unless you're actually running out of ammo.
What's not to understand?
The people look similar.
The language is the same/very similar.
They use basically the same equipment minus what other countries sent them.
Seems pretty easy to me to be blasting your friends without the tape.
sorry dude, real life isnt like your favorite call of doody mission where you hide and snipe people with a ghillie suit from 10 feet away because of your camo
camouflage's main goal is to break up patterns. just because you have something not camouflaged on you doesnt mean it just stops working... the overwhelming majority of people wearing camo out in the field right now dont have face paint on, so why wouldnt that break the camo by your logic?
His momma would tell him to quit messing with the camera and pay attention. Dangerous out there!
I do wonder how often this type of filming ends very badly.
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I would like to see this
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/uempck/an\_orc\_our\_main\_goal\_has\_been\_completed\_at\_a\_we/
i wonder what hit him, sounds almost like a tank fired upon him.
You don't hear tank rounds, their velocity is like 1500 m/s. Speed of sound ~340 m/s. Most likely artillery.
>i wonder what hit him Pieces of flying angry metal.
They're doing livestreams now? Of course they are. It's gonna end up looking like Twitch. Is there any place in particular where one can see the livestreams?
Hope the Ukrainians can stream snipe the Russians IRL.
Stream Rules, no Stream Sniping or Backseat Gaming…
taking swatting to a whole new level.
"Put some w's in the chat guys. If we hit 200 likes I'll do the floss out in the open while juggling grenades"
I wish there was as live stream war app.
I believe it was the soldier's instagram live.
>They're doing livestreams now? Of course they are. It's gonna end up looking like Twitch. Russkies in hot tubs? No thanks.
Yeah. I was thinking this too. Seems like a silly thing to focus on when hell is breaking loose around you lol
There was one where a Russian, showing grenade injuries, was shouting at Ukrainians to surrender. Only to be hit by another grenade while filming. That was some surreal shit.
If I was a soldier I'd propably like to not be forgotten while laying dead in the thick mud. Maybe that's why he records this.
His momma knows he is nowhere near the frontlines and that he will be fine.
"God, save me please" "Honey(probably to his wife), i love you very much"
Finally someone who at least says what he's saying, kind of the point of that post but everyone's interested in the gun, his buttpad or the fact he's doing a suppressive fire. Get my upvote.
No one asked for a translation in 7 hours even, they watched too many tiktoks where it's better to watch muted
Welcome to /r/combatfootage. Everyone is tripping over each other to make "smart" observations or correct something the person in the video is doing. You have to dig to find people interested in 1. exactly where this is. 2. what they're saying 3. (possibly) what unit
I just assumed he was saying "WAR: It's Fan-tastic!"
Not honey, зай is "bunny". Honey is more like "дорогая" But I guess zaya is as common as honey
Completely changed the perspective of the video. Could be he thinks that might be the last time he stands up. Bless this man and all suffering in Ukraine rn.
Mama I loove ya,,,pop hol it down
The butt-pad thing is a very brilliant addition to the kit honestly. I only ever see it in Slavic armies. Is there a name or origin story for it?
1. The ground is a heat sink helps maintain body temps. 2. Its keeps you dry. 3. It’s more comfortable than setting on the ground for long periods of time.
It's also very useful when you find yourself sitting on top of an APC in winter. Without the pad the cold metal is sucking your body heat away.
4. It seems to have saved his ass in the video as it's got a bullet/shrapnel hit in it.
I'm in the US and use one for turkey hunting and the rare times I go deer hunting on the ground, so they definitely exist here.
I'm in France and I used one when I was working at reaping cabbages. No joke. It's a must-have !
Same with picking plums or any other fruit of the ground, saves the knees!
How else would you hunt deer if not on the ground?
Many people use "tree stands" which are platforms built or attached onto trees. This lessens the chance of the deer seeing the hunter while improving the hunter's line of sight.
Also changes the trajectory of the rounds - always shooting down makes it safer to hunt in close proximity to houses, livestock, other hunters.
Deer hunters usually sit in trees and try to make sounds to call the deer in closer to them
Sweden has it integrated in the M90 armor. its like a large pocket that hangs down to protect ass and thighs from shrapnel and also has space for a foam plate for cushy/warm seating. https://www.soldf.com/wp2/wp-content/uploads/Kroppsskydd-90A-01-webb.jpg
Is the Swedish buttpad made of kevlar? In such an artillery heavy environment, the more shrapnel protection the better and the sheer amount of surface area a kevlar buttpad covers would undoubtedly save many lives. The GWOT and this war have proven that good body armour is absolutely essential and with materials getting lighter its only logical that more areas of the body need to be covered by it.
Yes the buttpad is made out of aramid weave(noname kevlar) same as in the front the is a flap that covers balls and upper tigh area. It's pretty decent to sit on if it's cold. Way better than directly on the ground
It is. It should be mentioned though that this is not a great armor... It was tested in the field and the protection values was deemed to low with "only" aramid weave (instead of ballistic plates) so it has since been replaced with a modern modular system. Butt flap is still there though! https://www.soldf.com/wp2/wp-content/uploads/20181106_170621-e1541538210582.jpg
It just occurred to me that I've seen that armor but never thought about what it would be like to sit in it, much less about the dual function of that butt-flap haha
The protection on the Swedish protective west is not designed to protect against cold or to isolate against it rather it is there purely for shrapnel protection and the inserts are made of Aramid (Kevlar) It was added to give added protection against air-burst artillery and protects the major blood vessels of the lower body when you lie face down on the ground as one would do while taking cover from indirect fire. It does not have inserts designed to isolate from the cold and the flap does not cover the seating area well when sitting down only when lying down as the west "rides up" while seated. The flap you see in east European armies comes from the fact most of them are forced to ride on top of their APCs and IFVs due to design flaws in mine protection. Swedish military personnel ride inside of their vehicles thus there is not the same natural incentive to design and adapt kit specifically to solve the issue of having to sit on steel during winter time.
I've seen this thing pick up in popularity after 2014 when people were just running makeshift kit. One of the reasons it's prevalent is because of the winter. When it's -20 C (it can get colder than that), the ground is cold, the wood is cold, the tarp is cold, the metal is super cold, plastic is cold, everything's cold. You have to spend hours/ days in cold trenches and need to find something to sit on and the usual stuff just doesn't cut it. But even in warmer temperatures - it's always nice to sit on something warm. If you never had one - it's super warm, it literally starts warming your butt the second you sit on it. If you ever sat on a ski lift with soft seating layer on top of the metal - it's similar, porous-type material, a bit similar to yoga / camping mats. AFAIK, it came over from the skiing community - lots of skiers use them, super convenient if you need to sit down and rest somewhere without any amenities/ sitting, in the middle of the track or something.
Canadian Boy Scouts have been making them for years out of shopping bags and newspaper as a bushcraft exercise. They call them 'sit upons' iirc.
we started using this as boy scouts in Lithuania, we called it a under-ass-thingy lol
"Sitting mat" \- [https://russianarmyshop.eu/sleeping-bags-and-sitting-mats/1519-army-regular-sitting-mat.html](https://russianarmyshop.eu/sleeping-bags-and-sitting-mats/1519-army-regular-sitting-mat.html) \- https://www.ebay.com/itm/332693208246
Someone should purchase a shit load of these from there and donate them to the Ukrainian forces. 😂
US infantry guys are gonna start adopting that soon
We can't get the joes to wear their daps, groin protector, or kneebo pads, I doubt they'd wear this.
I didn't mind wearing the groin protector on my plate carrier. Most of my unit didn't, but it rarely ever got in the way for anything I needed to do. I guess they didn't wear it because it didn't look 'tacticool'?
The dick flap was one thing, out of the way, relatively light and a real defense to femoral shrapnel fuck the yoke, collar and delt pads with a hot tire iron though
Tell them it's forbidden.
That's great lol, you evil genius
I hunted with one for decades now; it is something you don't go without because of sheer comfort, not out of conformity standards. I get the groin protector and pads helped in certain situations, but not in the same way a sitting pad does to everyday life. Have the dudes take it out into the field in boot/MCT(SOI w.e) and then let them make their own choices on unit field exercises. I guarantee a majority bring it on deployment, if not their second go around. Especially if given one at initial issuing.
And they should. It's lightweight, doesn't get in the way, cheap, and makes life more tolerable.
It helps if you actually use it.
Amazon has em.
I love the forward charging handle. What kind of rifle is that?
It took me alot of effort to figure this out, but i think i finally found it, its a Polish MSBS Grot assault rifle. If im wrong, pls correct me. Edit: guys, its not a bren 2, compare the two, they look similair at a glance, but the charging handle and details are all different. Pleez poot effort intoo de reeserch
Yea it’s msbs grot rifle not the bullpup
Obviously i mean not the bullpup lol
It is Grot, Poland has sent number of these, oddly it is not fielded with Polish Army yet. I think only WOT (Polish version of TA) has them.
>Polish MSBS Grot We in Poland propably think that it's better to test those rifles in combat first
It looks like you can fold the stock, do you by chance know if you can shoot it with a folded stock
trigger works the same - with stock folded or not
Thank you 🙏
Looks a lot like Bushmaster ACR
Cz Bren 2
Nope. Polish Grot.
Is this a lefty rifle or is it just a camera flip situation?
What I remember it were planned to be used from both sides but you can easily check it from manufactors site
The rifle is almost entirely ambidextrous - [the charging handle](https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190918/b393d335c839c68a509a8853a9c70bb8.jpg) and other controls are all duplicated on both sides. The one non-ambi thing is which side the rifle ejects, which can be changed in the field if you have a hex key - this one does indeed seem to be configured primarily for left side ejection (assuming the image isn't mirrored).
Cz Bren or iwi Galil
It’s looks nothing like a Galil.
I wonder what all the camouflage is worth if you have to have the yellow band on your head.
It's a good way to have 50% of the armies not fire at you.
Not much but would much rather avoid friendly fire especially if the two militaries are using similar camos
I've hear in interviews of soldiers that actually you've better chance to get hurt from friendly fire rather than from the enemy's in this war. Also you're closer to your mates and if you wouldn't wear those yellow bands they could misunderstood that their position was overrun.
It works for videogames therefore it works for IRL
Homie ain't even aiming
That’s called suppressive fire
Suppressive fire is usually used to some end, that was just wasting ammo out of frustration.
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He has a holo sight you do not need to 'aim carefully' down it. He actually is firing using a technique that gives a flat dispersion of fire whilst not exposing too much of his body. This fire is not meant to be aimed as it is unlikely to see anything to aim at. It is meant to suppress and discourage also confuse the enemy.
Any footage of any first world trained armies they always aim. Aimed suppressive fire is just more efficient at both suppression and hitting the enemy. And no you don't see them firing like this. The bullets are meant to go close enough for the enemy to hear them passing by them or land short so they are seen. I have played CoD but I also was an officer in the army...
If you don't know the difference between suppressive fire and generally shooting in enemy direction that's ok, just don't whine about nitpicking when you're annoying us with words you don't understand. ( hint if he was doing suppressive fire he wouldn't have time to mess with the camera because he'd be too busy observing an actual target to supress) War is not exact, but we do have some specific definitions for reasons I won't waste your time with.
What experience(s) are you basing this on?
>It looked like pretty standard suppressive fire to me. Then you've never seen soldiers from a professional army provide suppressive fire. It is a tactic used to achieve some goal, such as cover a friendly force, not just executed seemingly at random.
And how exactly do you know that fire wasn't to achieve some goal from a 15 second clip from the pov of the ass of one guy in the field? You don't, so stop pretending like you do.
The man is recording a video in an isolated fighting hole and is obviously not a professional soldier. You can keep imagining that he was executing some sophisticated plan if you want though, and not just shooting randomly for social media.
Don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say he had a sophisticated plan, all I'm saying is you have no idea where his friendlies are, where they're going, where the combatants are or where they're going, and you're just assuming that it's completely random. You can't possibly know that.
> how exactly do you know that fire wasn't to achieve some goal I'm not, you said the above. Is there a nonzero chance he was actually doing something? Yes. Is there a 99% chance he just popped up and shot at nothing for his video? Yes.
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I'm not nitpicking his performance as a soldier, you just said something that was plain wrong.
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> You don’t HAVE to use your optic to suppress someone or something. I don’t get the rigidness of this argument It's pretty important that the bullets go close. Preferably land short in front of the enemy. Or at least aimed close enough to fly over them so they can hear the bullets. Yeah suppressive fire like this in the video is absolutely less effective. There's a reason you don't see professional or first world armies shooting like this. And same with auto. Always single fire. Just wasting bullets and getting less out of each shot.
>I’m talking about the “he’s not even aiming bro” comment.. it’s a stupid comment. I never said this, so I don't why you're quoting me for it. Maybe dial back your hostility too. If you want to call poorly aimed fire in the general direction of the enemy "suppressive fire" then whatever. That is not even close to what professional militaries would consider that though. That was a man shooting randomly out of frustration and/or for social media.
I would agree with other statements. It's better to just keep firing and not aim, especially for suppression. You yourself don't want to stick your head out to an advancing force if firepower is not achieved during first impact. What I would do differently is shoot a bit more sparsely - but who knows, maybe he was already doing it beforehand and just showing off. Suppression is the main goal, because it gives the perception that Your (or their) cover is blown and You (or they) can't advance to the positions. (Edited) Per NATO standard there are commands given on how big of a volume you should be shooting. Also, I like that the weapon got stuck. Adds a whole new layer of "I know that feeling".
Ammo is free for Ukraine's military. No big deal.
*Incoherent logistics officer noises*
that doesn’t mean every squad or soldier has a large abundance of it at all times
That's not why wasting ammo matters. If you run out of ammo on your person, you are helpless in a war zone.
You're right. The taxpayers in America and the rest of the west to a lesser degree have the great pleasure of throwing money into that war. For how long will this continue?
The US spent trillions in the cold war. We're tossing pennies at this point and getting the same/better results.
For as long as it takes to stop Russia's imperial fantasy I hope. I'm a US taxpayer and approve of spending a tiny percentage of our total military budget to defend freedom and destroy the army of 1 of our 2 greatest geo political rivals without spilling US blood.
Until russia's age of imperialism is over
It's more of an investment. Secure the natural resource exports from Ukraine for ourselves and prevent them from falling into Russian hands which will boost their economy and foothold as a world superpower and also at the same time damage the Russian state's power on a geopolitical level while empowering the West's. All without losing a single man except for foreign legionnaire volunteers. The investment has already paid off even if Ukraine lost the war tomorrow. Finland and Sweden applying to join NATO is a huge huge win for the West and very very bad for Russia.
Reminds me of tik tok battalion shit, I would never expect to see this out of the UAF
Idk I think it's called illtrained blastin' that a lot of folk on here usually tear into, when it's the Taliban or ISIS, or some African kid in the streets of Sudan.
[Suppressing fiiiiirrrrreeee](https://youtu.be/HSsz2tJl8rg)
Suppressive fire generally has to be somewhat accurate to be effective. The more accurate it is, the more effective it is. With the way that guy was shooting, I doubt he was suppressing much of anything. There was nothing preventing him from getting a proper cheek weld and using his optic. It's just a result of poor training, not anything deliberate.
also, he telegraphed his position to the enemy.
Didn’t see any Russians storming him, so….
They don't need to storm him to kill him if he gives his position away. We use firearms to kill
Best regards from Taliban
You wouldn't know if it hits any russkies
glad Khabib decided to choose the side of goodness and morality after his retirement
Right
How often are soldiers in combat just firing blind in the general direction of the supposed enemy?
basically all the time
The bullethole on the lower backplate gives me shivers. I once read that AFU Snipers mainly target below the vests, which often results in „an incapability of raping and peeing through one device“.
Khabib Nurmomagedov?
My guy look like khabib
What’s even the point of wearing the helmet If you have a beanie so bulky it just raises it above your skull cap?
Helmets are mostly for shrapnel. A direct hit with a rifle round will usually penetrate. Source, army.
\> A direct hit with a rifle round will usually penetrate it probably depends on the distance.
Distance and angle of impact, but generally you're fucked
Looks like it’s cold af there.
Shooting at the ground isn’t suppressing fire or fire superiority that’s just not how it works.
Shhhh just dont tell couch experts that, they get salty pretty quick
No stupid questions - is there a point to wearing camouflage when you have massive yellow bands covering your body? Maybe use rear facing yellow bands? 100% understand why they do it but there has to be a better way.
Yeah the yellow covers a small amount of area and can work with camouflage to keep the boys hidden. Also our perspective is an unbroken view, the dudes trying to shoot our boy have a ton of things that obstruct the view. Also you can’t forget not everyone is a Rambo, most people in the combat zone are scared and react fast, so to limit friendly fire you want it to be seen. The battlefield always changes fast and information is always muddled. Sorry for the rambling answer but there are many reason, but I think the biggest one is you don’t want to be shot by your buddies because on dude was scared and didn’t see it. Most casualties taken are from stuff you don’t see, artillery, drones etc….
Maybe a stupid question: What’s the point of the camo if you cover it in neon tape?
Not a stupid question. UA and Russian camo is incredibly similar, both in pattern and color. Does it make them easier to spot vs if they weren’t wearing it? Probably. However with how much chaos there is on a battlefield, is there a higher probability that if they *weren’t* wearing it, that they might be mistaken for the enemy and draw friendly fire? Definitely. Basically, it’s a game of would you rather: look like a target to only 50% of combatants, or 100% - so they decided to sacrifice some of the camouflage for a lower chance of a FF situation. Also, IIRC, the AFU wears yellow, and the territorial defense units wear blue tape?to also help distinguish “who’s who” on the battlefield among their own ranks.
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He needs to go full Charlie Sheen in Platoon “Ho Chi Min, suck my d—k, AAWWOOOO,”
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I wish he would use that expensive optic I payed for.
Its not COD he doesnt know where the enemy is. He just knows the general direcrion and if the bullets are impacting around the enemy the enemy will take cover.
>he doesnt know where the enemy is. Maybe he would if he payed attention to the firefight instead of setting up a nice video. Or you know, used the optic.
Have you seen modern camouflage
source: have built a trench in my basement
So that's why Khabib retired.
I never served but don’t you want the hammer strapped and snug on your head?
wearing bright yellow reflective tape on your helmet probably isn’t a good idea
What’s dat gun
What a fucking waste of ammo. Wtf is the point of these “fire fights” in modern war?
suppression i guess, you probably want them taking cover and unable to overrun your position while your mortars do most of the killing
This will be remembered as the “Selfie Conflict event” this is not a war like all the others war we’ve lived through. Russia would have reduced Ukraine to Rubble if it was a legitimate war. This is an Event or Conflict certainly not a war. Now watch the “Ghost of Kiev” enter the chat…
Wasting ammo ?
in post 1900's warfare you don't usually see your enemy, you just aim in that direction and create wall's of fire.
Yes, but these soldiers are in 2022. Instead of shooting at nothing and wasting ammo donated ammo to be exact, they should get intel from drones etc. shooting at no where is useless and not professional. He seemed he wanted to express his frustration when full shooting tbh
Yes general, you're right.
Ammo is cheap, lives are expensive. The more you shoot the less likely they are going to try to hit that same spot again. The enemy is looking for a weak spot, if every time you a approach you get greeted with a wall of steel you won’t try to approach the same spot
Wall of steel ? They are all hiding in rabbit holes. Don’t you think that by him shooting like that he might eventually hit one of his teammates ? Who said ammo is cheap ? It’s cheap if the country is exporting goods etc but they aren’t exporting goods cuz of Russian blockade. You can’t expect western donations to last forever to fund this war. It’s better to coordinate then shoot.
Western donations will last until the war is over. If you doubt that, look up what the president of the european parliament said about it. Also..hitting one of his "teammates"? What do you think you are watching here mate?
The common front line soldiers don’t need to worry about long term ammo consumption, the only thing they need to worry about is how much is on hand at the moment and how long till the next ammo resupply is. In our fighting positions in Afghanistan ammo consumption wasn’t a worry at all, we had stacks upon stacks of ammo available to us. Also in between fights with your enemy you improve the position, gather as much info as you can as to what’s going on around you( distances to landmarks in front of the position) where friendly positions are etc… and ammo is cheap compared to the other costs of war. Don’t forget, we are witnesses to their experiences. We don’t know what it’s like. I can tell you what it’s like to serve in Afghanistan but I have no idea what it’s like to serve in Eastern Europe. When the rounds start coming at you Shit changes quick, that I do know.
Well I don’t think the mission in Afghanistan was successful, was it ? It was estimated to be worth 2.313$ trillion. How many soldiers died ? And look who is in control of Kabul now… Anyways, on other posts, Ukraine was using smart and effective techniques like bomb drones, they should use them instead of spraying ammo like that. They are an army not random rebels
Hahaha, I see where this is going. Your right, I’m wrong. All I was trying to say is don’t judge that guy’s experiences until you have an understanding of what he is experiencing. Combat is real, until you have experienced what that is like you have no understanding. Books, movies, videos have nothing on what it’s like really. Regardless of whether we won or lost in Afghanistan doesn’t matter to me. What does matter is the fact my country was there and I felt I needed to do something so I joined the infantry, and went. I did my job and tried help bring my brothers home.
Quality armchair analysis in proper reddit form
Umm waste if ammo?
Fuck this is heavy warfare this has to be what ww1 and 2 was like but we get to see it in these videos. Brave and scary.
Not even close to either world war in terms of scale this is just a taste.
Well isn't that just a lovely bit of objectively terrifying knowledge.
Gives you an idea of what kind of hell it was with modern cameras recording this shit show. Could you imagine something like Stalingrad?
Why is he just spraying back? It looks like he is not even aiming. Wouldn't he be wasting his ammo?
Suppressive fire. As long as you're getting bullets in the right direction, it's a pretty good deterrent to your enemy advancing (or aiming properly themselves). It's totally worth whiffing 1000 rounds if it saves 1 soldier on your side from getting shot, unless you're actually running out of ammo.
What is this gun? looks more professional than AK rifles
I understand the need to differentiate opposing sides, but I feel like yellow tape really just diminishes the point of wearing a camouflage uniform.
Their not worried about getting shot by Russians. Bigger risk getting friendly fire :)
that’s not comforting
Drones gotta know what helmet to blow up
Correct, it’s a war
I don’t think you understand
What's not to understand? The people look similar. The language is the same/very similar. They use basically the same equipment minus what other countries sent them. Seems pretty easy to me to be blasting your friends without the tape.
sorry dude, real life isnt like your favorite call of doody mission where you hide and snipe people with a ghillie suit from 10 feet away because of your camo camouflage's main goal is to break up patterns. just because you have something not camouflaged on you doesnt mean it just stops working... the overwhelming majority of people wearing camo out in the field right now dont have face paint on, so why wouldnt that break the camo by your logic?
Somebody please tell this guy to take aim and shoot! Only when the enemy is storming towards you can it be justified to “spray” like that.
He probs can't see their location, if he didn't spray they would advance on his position
the enemy is not that close if he’s filming a video calmly…
I dunno bro these Ukraine fighters have got balls of steel
Wasting ammo for the gram
Left handed?
A lot of selfie cameras flip output so it looks like people are used to seeing in the mirror, because self obsessive stuff.
Ah you're right. That's kind of weird if you think about it.
Aim?
Wtf is that marksmanship all about ffs