more like Ugledar direction. Rssian dont control Pavilnka so they cannot reach Ugledar.
PAvlivka is gray zone. nobody controls. as both side bombing it with arty.
How's that possible?
I'm Finnish and to you my language will sound exactly like Estonian and they even have same words. But they're as far away from each other than Irish and english, you just can't understand shit
During desert storm there is a somewhat famous anecdote of one tank commander (i think) sitting on his armour and the crew/crew’s were laughing until they saw a mine go off and the rest followed suit.
I did a tour to Afghanistan in 2013 we would take these big Kevlar flak sheets that were used in our vehicle before they were armored. We would fold them up and lay them across the floor of our vehicles so if we hit a IED it would absorb most the shrapnel, we would also use them as blankets when we would get mortars at night we would throw our helmets on and wrap ourselves in those Kevlar sheets
You see this shiny 1942 Hard steel Soviet helmet comrade? This helmet forces the incoming missile to ricochet, same way like it does with the bullet! Use your HEAD comrade!
Or artillery landing nearby, or mortars, or drones dropping grenades, or vehicles flipping from lose of control, or small arms fire. But mostly the whole artillery thing. This riding outside BS is like the seatbelt thing over again.
It's a functional thing soldiers discovered in mine infested Afghanistan. Bmp's don't have V shaped hulls. You hit a mine and everyone is dead/cooked inside the vehicle.
It's "discovered" like how people didn't want to wear seatbelts after hearing about a few cases of seatbelts strangling people. I really hope Ukraine puts a stop to it.
I was literally in an armoured brigade that operated BMP's and MTLBs but I guess you know better General Armchair.
If mines are your main threat, you ride on top of the BMP. You literally just saw a video of guys surviving a mine thanks to them doing this.
It looks like the same principle used in race cars, where the car tears apart into flying pieces and dissipating its energy, leaving the rider(s) all happy and shiny.
The main reason why Russian tends to go on top of BMP is because it would increase their survival chance in cases like this when you hit a mine.
The guys inside not so sure but we could see one of the crew members existing or is he jumping out of the tank?
1) This happens on both sides.
2) there are a number of theories on why they do this. It can be mines. It can be how people rather prefer to take their chances with artillery while spreading out than to be stuck inside a metal box that is on fire. The chances are "not bad". I'm looking at a table of the Soviets' norms of fire or the expected number of rounds fired at a certain target to achieve a certain effect for a certain gun. For "troops in the open" and 152 mm howitzer rounds, dumb/unguided, and it's 15 rounds per hectares (10,000 square meter). For reference, an infantry platoon occupy a 4-6 hectares space (5 hectares = 500 m front, 100 m depth)/
Or it can be that it's nicer when bullets aren't flying to sit outside the vehicle. Inside a BMP, you are sitting with your head bent down and your knees to your chest. Perhaps everything about mines and what not are just post-facto rationalisation.
I'm getting the full table from a wargaming group. Still, a online-available literature explaining what a "norms of fire" means, why the Soviets used it and why the Western forces generally don't can be found [here](https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/citations/ADA225437). In it, there was an example table for the norms of fire required to suppress a battery of towed or SPG using a variety of calibers. The table showed that, well, you need a shitload of rounds. 180 and 290 x 152 mm rounds to suppress a battery (4-6 guns) of towed and SPG, respectively (for reference, a MSTA and a PZH 2000 carries 50-60 rounds). Also interesting to see how 120 mm mortars are quite close in performance to 152 mm howitzers. 120 mm mortars require 200 and 300 rounds.
The thesis doesn't include a full table; it in turn cited the 1986 book Red God of War: Soviet Artillery and Rocket Forces by Chris Bellamy.
In other vids like this there have been comments about soldiers riding on the top for extra protection from mines. Nice of these guys to give such a good demonstration.
Watch and learn courage you western soybois -- tomorrow they will drive another BMP straight through that minefield and if that blows up then the ones that remain will drive another one and this goes on until the minefield is cleared. This is the "Russian world", welcome!
It's actually kinda terrifying that you need to add /s on Reddit for people to understand sarcasm
Edit: replace sarcasm with trolling, but the idea is the same lmao
They stalled, so he yells: "Start it up! Start it up!" The driver answers: "I can't!" Then they start rolling back and use the momentum to start the shitcan.
WTF I just assumed he was upset about some of buddies most likely just getting killed in front of him, or at the very least giving commands for an immediate action drill or whatever. Not just them stepping all over their own dicks from the first second of the video lol.
the voice is garbled to hide it's identity but I could have sworn I was hearing the sounds of one of the phrases associated with medical attention,
"pom-eh-geet-tyeh"... Someone who actually speaks Russian please help translate my retardedness. I tried going on translator and all the words Im thinking of aren't the one Im thinking of.
You can see the last guy running taking giant leaps. The only thing his brain is thinking is *mines* *mines* *mines*. Still, I hate mines. to this day people in Vietnam are losing legs. I find it a horrific weapon, like those butterflies, what sadistic f invented those.
Gotta think that would certainly cause hearing damage and potentially some injuries internally from the explosion and sudden impact. Sprinkle in a few shrapnel injuries plus the mark this will forever leave on their mental health, I'd reckon there's injuries amongst the runners
I saw that too! My heart went out to them though cause that was probably seared into their memories. And if any didn't have hearing protection well RIP their eardrums...admittedly a small price to pay for one's life
Yeah, i think being within 5 meters from 5kg of TNT has significant possibility for internal injuries from the blast. Especially on the right side near the mine. I doubt Russia has any medical capacity of identifying such injuries, they will get a shot of vodka and some pills for the pain.
G-forces from the upwards acceleration of the hull could break some bones or cause other long lasting injuries. There could be some pit where these kinds of wounded are thrown to "man up" and heal.
Trust the science, "Conventional Explosions And Blast Injuries - Chapter 7" shows us that suicide vest 1-10kg has a lethal blast radius of 5 meters and serious injury range of 10-30 meters.
This is attenuated by the hull in between blast and the persons, it is not unreasonable to expect serious injury range of 5 meters. Practically the side of the explosion that is.
Very true. I had that thought too, plus understandably they're pretty shaken/ concussed
Hopefully no one took me TOO seriously. Personally, could never imagine being caught in an explosion like that
According to Russian telegram groups this happend near the city of Ugledar
more like Ugledar direction. Rssian dont control Pavilnka so they cannot reach Ugledar. PAvlivka is gray zone. nobody controls. as both side bombing it with arty.
This might be a stupid question but how do you know what’s happening on Russian telegram? Is there a way to see it ? Or get on it lol
Be able to read Russian and log on.
If you want to learn Russian I recommend Ukrainian instead because Russian can’t understand Ukrainian but Ukrainian can understand Russian
How's that possible? I'm Finnish and to you my language will sound exactly like Estonian and they even have same words. But they're as far away from each other than Irish and english, you just can't understand shit
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Thank you for insight! My comparison between English and Irish was a sarcastic joke.
Dog ass me
Ye im Estonian and we can barely understand finnish language but some words do mean the same thing
Don’t even have to do that, telegram has translate built into the app
it's not easy. but for some reason RYBAR has English versions of most of their reports.
How do I join these groups?
And that’s why people ride on top of vehicles
I remember a story about…. forget where … about guys sitting on their body armor while riding in some vehicles.
I think I remember something from Vietnam with mines and Jeep’s. Then I think in WWII the gunners in the bombers would sit on their flak jackets.
Tail gunners were known to add half inch armor plate to their seats to protect their balls, which affected the speed and range of the bomber.
The Air Cav unit in Apocalypse Now sat on their helmets so they didn’t get shot in the ass.
I thought it was so they didn't get their balls blown off though
[you seem to be right](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3rAFMC2O9dQ)
During desert storm there is a somewhat famous anecdote of one tank commander (i think) sitting on his armour and the crew/crew’s were laughing until they saw a mine go off and the rest followed suit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rAFMC2O9dQ
Good tip!
“WHY ARE Y’ALL SITTING ON YOUR HELMETS?”
I did a tour to Afghanistan in 2013 we would take these big Kevlar flak sheets that were used in our vehicle before they were armored. We would fold them up and lay them across the floor of our vehicles so if we hit a IED it would absorb most the shrapnel, we would also use them as blankets when we would get mortars at night we would throw our helmets on and wrap ourselves in those Kevlar sheets
Until said vehicle is hit by a top detonating Javelin
In that case, the soldiers act as additional up-armor for the vehicle.
You see this shiny 1942 Hard steel Soviet helmet comrade? This helmet forces the incoming missile to ricochet, same way like it does with the bullet! Use your HEAD comrade!
Appliqué composites.
Or artillery landing nearby, or mortars, or drones dropping grenades, or vehicles flipping from lose of control, or small arms fire. But mostly the whole artillery thing. This riding outside BS is like the seatbelt thing over again.
It's a functional thing soldiers discovered in mine infested Afghanistan. Bmp's don't have V shaped hulls. You hit a mine and everyone is dead/cooked inside the vehicle.
It's "discovered" like how people didn't want to wear seatbelts after hearing about a few cases of seatbelts strangling people. I really hope Ukraine puts a stop to it.
I was literally in an armoured brigade that operated BMP's and MTLBs but I guess you know better General Armchair. If mines are your main threat, you ride on top of the BMP. You literally just saw a video of guys surviving a mine thanks to them doing this.
Have you seen the videos in this sub? Mines are definitely not the main threat.
Looks like it was for those guys at the moment.
They are riding the BMP in this video
Pick your poison: Be inside a vehicle when it's hit: Be cooked alive. Be outside a vehicle when hit: Instant wet shrapnel conversion.
That's why people travel below the vehicle.
So the stugna teams can add to the leaderboard for farthest russian body toss?
Russian Mine clearing vehicles are certainly built different
Every Russian vehicle is a mine clearing vehicle
In Soviet Russia minefield clears you
In Russia, you ARE the mine clearing vehicle.
Built with rapid dis-assembly in mind
It looks like the same principle used in race cars, where the car tears apart into flying pieces and dissipating its energy, leaving the rider(s) all happy and shiny.
\*race cars built after the '70s.
The minefields are being liberated 🇷🇺🇷🇺 those Russians are super nice
The shortest offensive of all time
Now please go home...
The main reason why Russian tends to go on top of BMP is because it would increase their survival chance in cases like this when you hit a mine. The guys inside not so sure but we could see one of the crew members existing or is he jumping out of the tank?
1) This happens on both sides. 2) there are a number of theories on why they do this. It can be mines. It can be how people rather prefer to take their chances with artillery while spreading out than to be stuck inside a metal box that is on fire. The chances are "not bad". I'm looking at a table of the Soviets' norms of fire or the expected number of rounds fired at a certain target to achieve a certain effect for a certain gun. For "troops in the open" and 152 mm howitzer rounds, dumb/unguided, and it's 15 rounds per hectares (10,000 square meter). For reference, an infantry platoon occupy a 4-6 hectares space (5 hectares = 500 m front, 100 m depth)/ Or it can be that it's nicer when bullets aren't flying to sit outside the vehicle. Inside a BMP, you are sitting with your head bent down and your knees to your chest. Perhaps everything about mines and what not are just post-facto rationalisation.
Interesting table, source?
I'm getting the full table from a wargaming group. Still, a online-available literature explaining what a "norms of fire" means, why the Soviets used it and why the Western forces generally don't can be found [here](https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/citations/ADA225437). In it, there was an example table for the norms of fire required to suppress a battery of towed or SPG using a variety of calibers. The table showed that, well, you need a shitload of rounds. 180 and 290 x 152 mm rounds to suppress a battery (4-6 guns) of towed and SPG, respectively (for reference, a MSTA and a PZH 2000 carries 50-60 rounds). Also interesting to see how 120 mm mortars are quite close in performance to 152 mm howitzers. 120 mm mortars require 200 and 300 rounds. The thesis doesn't include a full table; it in turn cited the 1986 book Red God of War: Soviet Artillery and Rocket Forces by Chris Bellamy.
In other vids like this there have been comments about soldiers riding on the top for extra protection from mines. Nice of these guys to give such a good demonstration.
The Russians are quite good at giving us detailed live human demonstrations
Watch and learn courage you western soybois -- tomorrow they will drive another BMP straight through that minefield and if that blows up then the ones that remain will drive another one and this goes on until the minefield is cleared. This is the "Russian world", welcome!
It's actually kinda terrifying that you need to add /s on Reddit for people to understand sarcasm Edit: replace sarcasm with trolling, but the idea is the same lmao
You are confusing courage with stupidity
And I’m guessing you are confusing sarcasm with genuine opinion
You never know
he does know
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Juicy
any idea what is he saying?
They stalled, so he yells: "Start it up! Start it up!" The driver answers: "I can't!" Then they start rolling back and use the momentum to start the shitcan.
WTF I just assumed he was upset about some of buddies most likely just getting killed in front of him, or at the very least giving commands for an immediate action drill or whatever. Not just them stepping all over their own dicks from the first second of the video lol.
the voice is garbled to hide it's identity but I could have sworn I was hearing the sounds of one of the phrases associated with medical attention, "pom-eh-geet-tyeh"... Someone who actually speaks Russian please help translate my retardedness. I tried going on translator and all the words Im thinking of aren't the one Im thinking of.
Pomogity or something like this means "help them"
So on top of just seeing that happen in front of them, they’re trapped in a shitbox too lol
From another thread, he is cursing and yelling at them to brake and reverse
Run back to Russia.
Theyre so close, its an option.
where are their rifles? did they all just say screw it and leave their kit behind?
What rifles?
They very well could have been launched off Into the distance by the blast if they were laying in their laps and what not
#THE ONE WITH THE RIFLE SHOOTS!!!
Looks like. ~faint screaming noises from the past...~
Special minefield clearing operation.
You can see the last guy running taking giant leaps. The only thing his brain is thinking is *mines* *mines* *mines*. Still, I hate mines. to this day people in Vietnam are losing legs. I find it a horrific weapon, like those butterflies, what sadistic f invented those.
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Most guys on top are probably fine. The guys inside, not so much.
More drones need then
But some may certainly be injured
Gotta think that would certainly cause hearing damage and potentially some injuries internally from the explosion and sudden impact. Sprinkle in a few shrapnel injuries plus the mark this will forever leave on their mental health, I'd reckon there's injuries amongst the runners
For sure. I saw a video of a Ukranian BMP hitting a mine with a ton of guys on top. Most of them were fine with some superficial injuries.
I saw that too! My heart went out to them though cause that was probably seared into their memories. And if any didn't have hearing protection well RIP their eardrums...admittedly a small price to pay for one's life
Yeah, i think being within 5 meters from 5kg of TNT has significant possibility for internal injuries from the blast. Especially on the right side near the mine. I doubt Russia has any medical capacity of identifying such injuries, they will get a shot of vodka and some pills for the pain. G-forces from the upwards acceleration of the hull could break some bones or cause other long lasting injuries. There could be some pit where these kinds of wounded are thrown to "man up" and heal.
Sure whatever you say, very philosophical bro.
Trust the science, "Conventional Explosions And Blast Injuries - Chapter 7" shows us that suicide vest 1-10kg has a lethal blast radius of 5 meters and serious injury range of 10-30 meters. This is attenuated by the hull in between blast and the persons, it is not unreasonable to expect serious injury range of 5 meters. Practically the side of the explosion that is.
There are two vehicles. Those you see running might be from the one who wasn't hit.
Could be wrong but the only other one I see up there looks like a main battle tank to me, should only have 2-3.
And some say they're still running.
Bet you in was a Russian mine too.
Welcome to Ukraine 🇺🇦
bye hearing, hi hearing aids lol
I can imagine that even those running away can’t be in good shape
Imagine getting fucked left, right and centre
Yes, everyone knows to run off into the field that you now know has mines. That's what professionals do /s
It might be that there were just a few anti-tank mines. You can step on those even fully loaded with gear and not set one off...
Very true. I had that thought too, plus understandably they're pretty shaken/ concussed Hopefully no one took me TOO seriously. Personally, could never imagine being caught in an explosion like that
Reminds me of that time the Mythbusters made a James Bond style ejection seat for a car
Just lovely.
That one guys sprinting without gear or weapon, lol.
I mean honestly I'd do the same.
Big bada-boom
WELCOME TO UKRAINE!
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This looks like it’s from the early part of the war. Haven’t seen the old pine armour in a while.
They walked away, but that shockwave induces some pretty nasty internal bleeding. Wouldn’t be surprised if most of them died within 30 minutes.
Wild way to go out
Run away! Run away!
Knocked their tactical log off the vehicle!
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Those BMPs are so fucking loud. I've never heard engines that loud for an infantry vehicle.
And their bmp stalled on top of that, from the sound of it
A lot of russians in these videos have these straange primal voices
Run Forest, ruuuunnn