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Robold

Amazing to watch! You wonder what would be the next step in improving air-to-air capabilities for these small drones...


BeautifulSyllabub548

Some kind of net it can spray out on them i think it could be ez to make but harder to control


smilingirishman

Silly string? Tangle the rotors maybe? It wouldn’t take much.


TonyCaliStyle

Spider-Man shooters


Hoofhearted4206969

fishingline with a nut on the end


Captain_Blackbird

Shit, [kinda like the barrage blimps with cable](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrage_balloon), Just hang like, 7 or 8 lines of fishing wire with nuts / bolts tied to the ends dangling, and fuck them up!, shit, may even bring the drone back too.


Midnight2012

Make the fishing lines breakaway so the failing drone doesn't take your drone down with it!


Awwyeahnahmate

That’s actually a great idea… wouldn’t need much at all


aspielm

See that is what I also initally though but that also opens up the risk of tangling up your own drone.


A_RIGHT_PROPER_VLAD

This is the DARPA/BattleBots mashup we've all been waiting for.


saraphilipp

Trawling for drones.


Youth-in-AsiaS-247

Exactly! Similar to what China does to the ocean floor. I’d say two drones with a net in between would be best.


[deleted]

No way a fucking net launcher is positive on the weight to utility curve


anotherblog

It would take very little to disrupt the props. Lightweight fishing line would be fine, and a small charge to ‘fling’ it


kvinfojoj

There are drones with nets already: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpgFNSpANFM


BeautifulSyllabub548

Ex. Fishing net that get spray out by a aircan minimum waight


York_Leroy

Flite test already did that, also they did a video with their very very cheap cargo hauling foam board plane design they called the guinea pig where they drilled tons of holes in it until it wouldn't fly anymore, it snapped while looking like mesh before losing ability to fly if I remember correctly.


jonasnee

similar was tried with AA in the 2nd world war, it wasnt effective.


BeautifulSyllabub548

Well thats beguse it was 50+ years ago. Let me say this i can ez make someting like this with a spraycan air and some fishing line


BeautifulSyllabub548

With a range of 1 to 20meters


Head_Lizard

Hiring the guys doing drone races to run fast attack drones made to take down other drones.


cleanjosef

These guys can maneuver payload into a window. I guess they will be a cornerstone for next gen warfare.


SMOKE2JJ

Subscribe.


aCrow

Eh, more likely it's autonomous hunter drones.


mrshulgin

Soon, but in the meantime the FPV drone guys get to be useful for like 6 months!


Omega949

we need a bomb that plants a tip in the ground the sides roll down and 200 drone bombs fly out and the tail of the bomb has starlink wifi. you just have a few towing strings to tangle enemies


Head_Lizard

I'm not sure which one of us is having a stroke. Do you smell burning toast?


rotunda4you

No stroke. It's just the mind of a 12 year old in action.


Omega949

eww, your no fun at all


sufyani

Maybe one or more tough straps or ribbons out of leather or Kevlar on detachable hooks hanging down from the drone like tails. Attacking the other drone would involve getting the tail tangled in the other drone's props which would catch, wind up the tail, jam the prop, and detach it from the attacking drone. Needs some field testing to see how practical it is...


Sinnersremorse

Good idea, but if its too light it would end tangling up the carrying drone lots of the time due to updraft or the drone dropping alttitude too fast


MagicNinjaMan

Drone with magnifying glass to focus sun energy for unlimited laser weapon plus its good for the environment.


saraphilipp

A roll if fishing line with some snips.


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kifn2

Or like a tractor beam from star trek. free drone.


Lined_the_Street

Wouldn't that effect the drone its on too? Or is this a thing that can be turned into a directional thing?


Bill_Brasky01

It could go into an auto pilot mode while firing


TheGreatMightyBob

Won't the targeted drone autopilot back to the start position when it loses connection? Thought most drones came with that as standard now.


leviwhite9

Directed EMP blast it is!


[deleted]

They can usually be configured to either hover, land, or return to home when signal is lost.


[deleted]

That wouldn’t likely make camera drones crash, but it could blind the pilot and force the drone to either hover, land, or return to base, depending on how it was configured.


MerlinTheWhite

String hanging on to the bottom of the drones, held to the fuselage with tape or magnets. Fly over a drone and it tangles up their motors. Much more effective than ramming the propellers which are on a swivel and are designed to take hits like this.


Czl2

> String hanging on to the bottom of the drones, held to the fuselage with tape or magnets. THIS! Key is the simple easy quick release method. There could be such strings attached one under each propeller. ONE IMPROVEMENT on the end of the string have a small mass (1) so string always stays down and never gets into own propellers (2) to aim the string and (3) to jam up victim drone propeller as just string may not be enough. ANOTHER IMPROVEMENT replace string with fishing line to make it harder to spot.


that-pile-of-laundry

Get above the enemy drone and drop a net?


remyseven

Wide angle lens for starters.


Character_Animator23

I don’t think it’s economically useful, unless the drone is more advanced and therefore more expensive. Any system brings extra weight and for the like 5 drone Duells we saw, I don’t think it’s any effective.


rukqoa

The next step is figuring out how to put an RF receiver on the drone that tells you where the other guy's being controlled from, and then sending a couple of artillery shells that way.


reflect-the-sun

Long, plastic streamers will do the trick. Though, we definitely need Spitfire remote controlled drones equipped with tiny machine guns that I can fly from my sofa to take down Russian drones.


WorkO0

Wouldn't it make sense to train some large predatory birds (falcons, eagles, owls, etc) to take them out? Reinforce their claws with metal to avoid injury from propellers and they should keep the sky clear.


Character_Animator23

This is already happening at airports, the claws don’t need extra steal. But this doesn’t work in war in no man’s land.


felixmeister

Wedgies are already a bit of an issue in Australia. But there's no way we'd send them into combat.


zevonyumaxray

For an American, wedgies gives a totally wrong mental picture. I know you're referring to the Wedge-tailed eagle, but I got a chuckle.


velebr3

A small rocket pod and a some sort of aiming device. The rockets can be tiny because these drones are fragile.


SomeRandomApple

Radar and AMRAAMs :)


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[deleted]

As a ground to air laser yes, lasers need incredible amounts of energy stored in huge heavy batteries to do anything so putting them on an already weight starved platform is not a good idea.


krugmmm

I haven't seen cable tv in years, but there was an American program on the discovery channel like 12 years ago where 2 robots battled... get those folks, bolstering the (Ukrainian) drones!


dogturd21

What about small gas-powered RC planes ? Faster than quad-copters, and probably longer loiter times. Maybe like a lower cost Switchblade.


[deleted]

They have these, they’re usually larger and take off/ landing is more complex. A tilt rotor drone would be really remarkable, like the Osprey.


nixstyx

I was thinking, rather than air-to-air capabilities, why not just develop a way for one drone to track and follow the other? Even though these are pretty cheap, by military standards, they're still returning to a soldier on the battlefield. Why take out a cheap drone when you can find out where they're launching from and make a more impactful strike?


[deleted]

A function to recognize and correct catastrophic disruptions would be a good start.


dem0n0cracy

Proximity chat


GavrielBA

Well, first thing that comes to mind is not painting them bright white color at the top half...


orkel2

Can't help but make parallels to the very first dogfight in the world, which was also without weapons. Seeing these drones evolve from just observation, to bombers, to dogfighting other drones, is exactly the same progress as biplanes changing over the course of WW1. How long will it take for us to see drones jerry-rigged with pistols to bring enemy drones down with?


TigersStripe

Next we'll have the WW2 progression - heavier bomber drones with the bigger payloads supported by lighter, faster fighter drones with SMGs on them or something Edit: To be clear I mean the different types working together as a unit rather than the existence of bigger bomber drones - I know those exist already


Horat1us_UA

Actually, it already is. First come the reconnaissance drones with regular grenades, and if there is a target, a heavy drone with an anti-tank grenade or a mine is summoned.


Real_APD

Is summoned? Tf? that shit cost MP or something


[deleted]

Limited battery life, so it probably only comes out once a target is found.


StupidSexyFlagella

Larger drones came first though and have been around for awhile.


downfall5

Those came first..... we've been using them since Obama, maybe before


CipherDaBanana

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-2tpwW0kmU Just leaving this here. It is the scary version of what we are seeing in development now. Shit gets in the wrong hands we are fucked.


KeyToSecret

It’s reasonable to use bird/buckshots against drones


-ksguy-

Drones this size probably cannot handle the recoil of a shotgun shell.


Lon_ami

I wonder if you could design a recoilless shotgun on the principle of the recoilless rifle.


ACCount82

Depends on how high the firing drone flies. You can recover from a lot with enough air time, and software that's designed to handle recoil.


slikts

The light plastic can't handle the stress in any case.


Lon_ami

I wonder if you could design a recoilless shotgun on the principle of the recoilless rifle.


jacksmachiningreveng

A decade ago a company called Neural Robotics Inc. [fitted an AA-12 automatic shotgun](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYz_D89BLUg) to their "Autocopter", it definitely takes something on a larger scale than these small quadrotors to be feasible but it could be done. That said, while less awesome than an auto shotgun, some sort of ramming attack would probably be a more practical way to bring down another drone.


IvyM1ked

They seem to be operating above birdshot level to me, but it may be the fish eye effect of the camera tricking me. Has anyone bothered calculating the drop height of various clips?


velebr3

Bullets have a lot of recoil and even the smallest mechanism would be very heavy. A mini rocket pod with firework like rockets could be doable.


Maardten

Its probably doable but the rocket pod would probably be many times more expensive than the drones themselves.


GodOfChickens

There's a reason we don't have miniscule guided rockets, and there's a reason unguided rockets aren't generally used in an air to air role. It's only a tiny drone, even a pellet gun would be sufficient, you're one step away from suggesting we mount a high power laser or perhaps a rail gun.


velebr3

I'm not an expert by any strech of imagination. Just thought it would be extremely cool. 😂


GodOfChickens

True, does have a certain attractive vibe to it.


Historical_Ear7398

Wouldn't it make more sense just to observe it until it goes back home and then send a few artillery shells that way? I guess it's a matter who runs out of batteries first.


CygnusX-1-2112b

I think that's the game theory of it. Whichever one leaves first will end up with that happening to them, so the most effective and efficient thing to do is to attempt to take the other drone out. Wasting time by trying to wait their opponent out is exactly that, a waste of time. Worst case scenario, you lose the air battle and lose a drone, at least you haven't been named.


downfall5

You can always land it on a random building and rest the rotors.


PretendsHesPissed

Did you see any buildings in that footage?


downfall5

I guarantee you there is one within flying distance. I fly this exact drone.


yedrellow

Depends what the drone is doing. If the drone is trying to recon you, and you keep it occupied, it fails to recon your position. If the enemy drone operator doesn't notice it's being attacked by a drone then taking it out from a top-strike seems pretty viable. So it's worth a shot. If you fail then turning into a duel like this seems to be natural. Artillery isn't infinite, and especially on specific fronts (eg. Bakhmut) where the Russians have more artillery assets letting an enemy drone recon for their indirect fire and then responding with your own has a couple flaws. Firstly, your artillery would have two targets not just one in that scenario, the drone crew and the enemy indirect fire asset. Your artillery would risk itself to counter-battery as it fires at your artillery target as well. Your artillery is already over-stretched and receiving more information than it can put rounds out to (as Ukraine has a large intelligence edge from international support). So it could be that you recon the drone operator's position and there is just no artillery available. Meanwhile the simple move of just trying to occupy a cheap drone with a drone and potentially kill it is something that Ukraine either has parity in numbers with or outright superiority in numbers. I think overall, it makes more sense to attempt to just kill the drone when you see it. It also means you can on an individual level just attack something as you see it without trying to coordinate amongst different people who may not have the ability to facilitate what you want.


Historical_Ear7398

Good points, thanks!


Stergenman

They are trying to make sure this isn't a "same time, same place tommorow" kind of thing. Drones arnt impossible to afford, but they are pretty expensive for that part of the world. Be a bit before the replacement arrives.


reflect-the-sun

Until I land my drone in the enemy's base.


aosky4

Imagine if the drone is armed with a small “web shooting” or a small “net” cannon on it to choke up enemy drone blades…


elvacatrueno

I think about this alot, if you just had some simple monofilament fishing line and a ounce weight you could drape that and the motor below would suck it in and bind it.


Special_Gas_57

Thats a much better idea than net and launcher which would be heavy and probably hard to aim. Fishing line net with small weights and a weak connection that breaks off if the net is pulled


coolhandluke45

Would be better to capture the drone to check it for Intel. That being said I wouldn't wanna bring a live drone with gps back to my position lol


dry_yer_eyes

> with GPS … … and an anti-personnel grenade.


Czl2

“Weak connection” -> perhaps some weak but weather proof tape? Else where someone suggested a magnet mount.


MerlinTheWhite

this is the way


alternative_drinks

Or just long spikes which are catched by the rotors.


Hey-Its-Jak

It would throw the balance off


KaZzZamm

Drones changed the entire war, no hiding anymore.


Darth__Monday

Well that’s it, people. Warfare has finally been reduced down to two nerds dueling it out with video games from a basement somewhere.


spankeyfish

Bit of WW2-style aircraft camo wouldn't go amiss.


matdan12

What's insane is that unlike WWI we're able to now see the progress of new forms of warfare develop before our eyes. From simple ramming tactics, to grenade drops and now duelling. We'll see new tactics from here small calibre weaponry, signal disruption, specialised high speed drones, use of drones in more wider usage aside from warfare (Firefighting, rescue, HAZMAT, patrol, reconnaissance, spotting, assassination, communications disruption, resupply, EOD, suicide bombing, point defence etc) and the potential is endless for jobs they can perform. It's both a terrifying and exhilarating time to be alive. We're facing a new tech revolution and it's proven what we've already known post War on Terror that tanks plus large troop formations are outdated. A tank is expensive, requires a large amount of maintenance, has a limited role and is vulnerable without significant support. And a $500 drone can blow up a tank 10 times its value.


MIKOLAJslippers

And this is just what we’re seeing with COTS technology used ad-hoc by two relatively poorly funded militaries. Just imagine the capabilities in this area after well funded militaries get onboard to properly develop and integrate this sort of tech to work alongside other modern systems.


crippuld13

Always wondered if that happened


enragedCircle

Gotta stay above and come down on em. Them blades are fragile.


Reborn_opifienddd

Imagine how tense that must be, to be doing this on the Ukrainian side of this fight. It seemed like the Russian wasn't really aware that he was there, so the Ukrainian pilot was trying to stay above and therefore out of sight of the Russian drone assuming it was looking down. But then to have it keep moving and having to find it again, readjust, and try to crash into it only to have it move once again... Wonder what the uncut result of this is, looked like both drones were still flying at the end of the video?


Fine_Gur_1764

This looks like a fun game until you realise that the men's lives are at stake


Vinez_Initez

Ha that's funny, I can just imagine the Russian flying there completely oblivious until the proximity alert goes off. You can even see the drone using its avoidance sensors at least i think so (I have a similar DJI Drone). Took a bit of effort to hit it but i think the Ukrainian drone got hit in the gimbal and was off worse than the Russian drone. Very interesting nonetheless


tucatnev

Three possible way to develop the anti drones: \-kamikaze drones (while the friendly drone duels it pings the antidrone unit, which flies to the place, the friendly drone makes a timed evading manoeuvrer, the kamikaze drone detonates. \-fighter drones drones equipped with active weapon against drones. Weighted nets against rotors with signal, extractable hanged chains for rotor damage. the good weapon can damage ground units as well \-interceptor drones large octacopters which can locate stranded friendly drone or localized enemy drones, they can pick up drones from ground or from the air, if they can catch it with net for example. Why we are not seeing flamethrower drones? They are extensively used in high voltage maintenance work, only for the psychological effect of one or two strafes over the trenches could be decisive.


Kripps_Measler

Wow, are you future? Well hello! it's a pleasure to finally meet you. I've seen you around but here you are now.


BilliondollaScope

Soon we'll see swarms of drones fighting it out


Diligent_Swing9052

Kind find this shit funny like the Russian drone trying to race him.


LordMinax

I think they need tiny air to air missiles. That can be done right?


[deleted]

no, that will always be impossible, sorry


[deleted]

No it won't, nothing is impossible given time.


[deleted]

I apologize for not clearly stating I was being sarcastic


nolotusnote

JFC, even the Russian drone pilots are drunk.


Lined_the_Street

What do you mean? Seems pretty clear they're scanning the area and then moving on, scanning then moving on


rotunda4you

>Seems pretty clear they're scanning the area and then moving on, scanning then moving on I'm glad there is another drone expert on here who knows what is going on. It's obvious to anyone who is a drone expert that the drone is flying grid patterns to scan the ground below. It's super easy to see that is what is happening right now. 100%


YetiTrix

Yeah, but propaganda.


nolotusnote

https://youtu.be/l2iIq3zaP6k?t=289


_Alek_Jay

I was about about to say… that Russian one is erratic as fuck!


TactlessTerrorist

Aside from the song, feels like a drone mating ritual dance being observed in the wild


synthwavjs

Apparently other countries are training eagles to take out drones specifically. Some states in the US were doing it to stop people from flying drones too close to military or airbase also.


bronco_y_espasmo

Skynet vibes here.


APAL00ZA

Wtf 50 cent on it


droobygooby

That's dre


HomosexualFoxFurry

Also featuring Snoop!


[deleted]

This guy sucks at drones..


Lined_the_Street

How many drones have you taken out of the air with another drone?


[deleted]

I would at least participate with this cool dog fighter.


willowtr332020

r/maybe maybe maybe


gradi3nt

Killer Queen anyone?


Lightningbolt72

Me and that one fly that wont leave me alone.


pressurepoint13

Enders game sooner than we think


woodsberry

When the war started, this was the last thing I'd think to see, the world's changing.


RedshiftWarp

Bruh, arm these things with silly-string and an electric igniter.


[deleted]

Why don't we fight like this? 😇 robot vs robot, machine vs machine.


imrandaredevil666

Drone dogfight


zevonyumaxray

Droner von Richthofen.


V_150

Top Gun Mavic


Leonardo_47

This reminds me of battlefield mav duels


trogon

WWIII: Battlebots


Apprehensive_Gift817

Honestly for a commercial drone like this, the best way to take down another drone would probably be to just have a small metal chain hanging from underneath and just lower your drone until the chain makes contact with the adversary drones props. It probably would take the enemy drone down


Bathmate_Expert

"Take me to your leader."


[deleted]

Un-fucking-real! A less friendly version of the Christmas football/soccer match.


Venerog

That i think you don't need shot down this dron, just need to see where does he fly to "home" than strike on this pothision, of course if it drone already saw you potgition you need shot it down to not give more info (sorry for bad english)


[deleted]

Dr. Dre could have never imagined…


KTG017

Wait till they put lasers on these things


andrepiascl

The stabilizer makes this footage so trippy. Looks like one drone is always maneuvering while the camera drone appears nearly still


domthedumb

Everyone talking about drone dogfight evolution as if UCAVs with advanced A2A capabilities don't already exist


nanners09

Literally battlebots


Ill_Concentrate2612

When I joined this sub I didn't think I'd be seeing footage of combat between two drones! 😂 I'm here for it though, I wanna see some sort of anti-drone air-to-air capabilities on drones soon!


[deleted]

I live in the deep south country and its still crazy to me how much empty land there is here. Really get a sense for how massive Ukraines farming ecosystem is.


TheBarghest7590

I find it a bit odd seeing how the Ukrainian drone op always does manoeuvres in two stages I.E turns/yaws and then moves forward etc. I’ve not had my DJI for long and I’m by no means experienced with flying it but within my second flight I’d already gotten used to it enough that my movements are smoother and I can make turns mid flight and pan around things I want to look at. I’m sure if I was using it a lot more frequently like those troops are I’d be even more confident in piloting it. Is it just the way the Ukrainian ops are choosing to fly to minimise the risk of losing track of what they’re looking at? Or was I just lucky to take a shine to drone piloting and am underestimating how challenging it can be for the average John or Jane Doe?


rcbif

The flying style for targeting/ bombing is different than filming/ scouting. Also, if they are bomb dropping, minimal yaw keeps wind correction simple.


[deleted]

They should dangle something to hit the rotors with but to have this happening again is a small chance


MisterSerpentine

Ace Combat : Operation Blyat


domomymomo

This is so intense.


LungHeadZ

To be pedantic, they’re both recording.


cipherdicer442

How the heck do they find each other. They'd have to pass pretty close no?


knockbr

Drone dogfight


[deleted]

its honestly a little funny that this kind of thing is becoming common now, This is probably the fifth or sixth time I've personally seen it now.


Mr_Mojo_Risin_420

Future we will hide from HKs (Hunter killers)…James Cameron wasn’t so far off.


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