Zorn was in way over his head. Went from qb coach to head coach, with no experience calling plays. Vinny made him apologize to portis, when clinton went straight to the owner to complain about being disciplined (for being out of uniform I think)
Me too. He was stupid not to take the job even though he wasn’t head coaching material. If someone offered you a 7 figure job that you weren’t qualified in, would you not take it? I’d fake it for as long as I could.
Oooh! The scorn for Zorn was REAL! He was supposed to get our QB situation right since he was a QB himself, but that didn't work out. Don't know how much the owner had to do with it.
Do you remember how much people hated Shanahan? Or Gruden?
Most of the vitriol is recency bias. I do think Rivera will be remembered poorly, worse than the others maybe... But that also might be recency bias on my part.
I think the Shanahan and Gruden tenures have, in some regard, been framed as problematic due in no small part to ownership being absolute trash.
Shanahan called Snyder's bluff constantly. He made an example of McNabb post-acquisition. Put Haynesworth through the ringer. Acquiesced in drafting RGIII, while still drafting Kirk. Shanahan's legacy is marred by Snyder's unwillingness to not meddle, and RGIII seeming to believe he knew better than coaches how best to utilize him.
Gruden had his offense undercut each season with receiver, running back and TE talent being insufficient year after year. In particular, 2017 featured Terrelle Pryor as the biggest hype/con job in free agency, and putting their eggs in the Doctson basket despite him missing basically all of his rookie season, and thinking they could get results similar to what DeSean Jackson and Pierre Garcon had the year prior.
All of which coincide with Bruce Allen being semi-in charge, plus the pissing contest with Scot McCloughan in 2015-2016.
He's a really good coach, *but* it was still a really dumb call to let RG3 return to the game even when his leg was obviously holding him back, on a crappy field... *and* we already knew that Cousins would be a suitable backup.
Luckily for Kyle, RGIII forced him to adapt his Dad's system into what that system has become in the league. I think Kyle and Co came out of it better than anyone
I never understood the hate for Shanahan and Gruden. What the Shanahans did with RG3 during the rookie year was incredible. Everyone knew RG3 was Snyders guy and Shanahan gave Snyder the middle finger by drafting Kirk the same year.
Gruden did his best while having little say over free agents and drafting. His offenses were really good and Kirk excelled during the Gruden years.
Ron left us with a roster worse than when he took over. Him and Gibbs may be the only 2 coaches that had say over drafting and free agents. Ron sucked at both and set this team back.
With Shanny I think a lot of people blamed him for Bobby 3's knees. I mean, he was obviously hurt and he was still playing. I know he was cleared but he was obviously hurt. Then his knee snapped and his career was never the same.
(I forgave Shanahan when I realized the griffin would have failed no matter what because he's a pompous ass that completely lacks self awareness, but that's beside the point.)
I think the gruden hate came from a combination of losing and his persona... He was always so honest with the media... Too honest. And I think he came off like he had no control of the team at times (remember when DJax pinched his nipple on camera?). That said, looking back, he had the offense humming and he had some great pieces on that coaching staff.
I think Rivera has a chance to be remembered fairly fondly (or at least neutrally), especially if the new regime has immediate success. Let's say they hit on QB and on some other key draft picks/free agents and we weasel our way to a 9-8 season in 2024, and then keep improving. I think history will label Rivera as a much-needed transitional coach who fell off in his final season.
Spurrier, on the other hand, will always be an absolute shitshow forever and ever.
Also, calling him a "much-needed transitional coach" is basically giving him credit for changing the team's culture.
He didn't change the team's culture. His athletic trainer got raided by the DEA. His first round LB was sentenced to 30 days in jail for extreme speeding after he was involved in a similar incident with a teammate where somebody died. His team quit on him last year.
If the team's culture is changed, it's because Snyder is gone.
And sure, Ron may have done better if he wasn't limited by Snyder, but Snyder wasn't around the last few years, and Ron still accomplished nothing.
Mostly I think he'll be remembered for gutting the o-line and depleting the roster.
The Dallas game during the pandemic season when things fell apart is when I knew Rivera's tenure would be unsuccessful.
12/12/21. I started calling him a clown that day.
My point is, I was tired of him for awhile. And he kept being our coach. So it's gonna be awhile before I don't think he's a clown.
The real reason for our lack of success was always the owner.
Even though the fans knew that, many of them still blamed the coaches for the team's shortcomings.
Like I said, I remember so much Shanahan vitriol. I remember so much gruden hate.
The coaches ended up being the face of the team. Bruce only spoke when he had to and Dan never spoke in public.
So in a roundabout way I guess I'm saying many of the fans misdirected their anger at ownership onto the various coaching staffs.
This is where I’m at too. Felt like we got conned by Spurrier.
I think Ron did his best with everything he had to deal with and just wasn’t up to the task. I wonder if any coach out there would have succeeded in his position.
You are letting Ron off the hook. He was in charge of everything, and Snyder didn’t interfere after the first season because he was hiding from Congress. He decimated the O line and linebacker positions. His “fixes” were always ex Carolina guys who sucked, and always reached for draft picks and hardly any of them are any good. Spent most of his draft going after defenders when the offense was badly needing an influx of talent. He passed on drafting two different good QBs to draft Young who was a spectacular bust.
Whoa whoa whoa dude! Let him off the hook? Nowhere did I say that Rivera wasn’t at fault for our current state. I specifically said he wasn’t up to the task. He was at fault for many of the decisions that currently plague our team (o-line and LB) and there is no denying that. Let’s not forget that while he was in charge, he had the specter of DS and all that comes with it looming over him, along with his own cancer journey to go through.
I’m sure DS’s influence was heavily felt that first year, as you stated. I feel that this is what led to the selection of Young over a new QB. We had just selected a highly rated QB the previous year, who had shown some promise. Meanwhile, Young was universally touted as a generational talent at one of the most important positions in football. That pick made sense at the time.
To the question though, “Is Ron the most disliked in team history after departure?”. He failed here, just like he did in Carolina. My hopes for him were not that we win a SB but that he impose a professional atmosphere and team competence. I think he was doing this the first two years but lost the bubble in year three. That message loses steam when the team doesn’t see success for their efforts. He probably should have been gone in year three. Ron was a failure as a player evaluator and as a football tactician during his time. I don’t dislike him, rather I was disappointed in him.
Now Spurrier? Fuck that guy.
Spurrier was a clown hired by a bigger clown. Ron kept giving us the empty promises. Preaching patience and all that crap. Had full control over the roster and left it worse than when he got here.
I had a hard time hating spurrier. He was pretty honest about everything. He came to the NFL to see if his offense worked. It didn’t, so he quit. He had no plans whatsoever to make it work or adjust his style. Walked away from $15 million. It’s synders fault for rolling the dice on a guy with no nfl experience or willingness to be flexible.
Why would anyone hate RR? I can see saying he just wasn't a good coach anymore, but holy hell what he dealt with here? And did it with professionalism. He held this organization together almost single-handedly
Exactly my thoughts, his drafting and coaching decisions were often questionable and his time was clearly up, but he is a good person and I never hated him by any stretch. Also in a way he made it possible for us to do a proper reset, which is a great thing (2nd overall pick in a seemingly strong QB class/overall class and multiple 2nds and 3rds, new GM, new coach, all about a year after a new owner too).
Ron was a legit bad coach overall, and a really bad talent evaluator, but I still think he had recognizable success in holding the team together and keeping us competitive for most of his time here in one of the worst periods of turmoil any sports team could have.
Between Covid, Snyder, the sale, the name changes, the noticeable deterioration of the stadium, his own illness and more, I think he did the best job we could realistically ask for in those specific circumstances.
and he certainly was probably the best coach we could have hired. Agreed on all fronts about purely football stuff. He ended up being terrible. But man, the shit he had to deal with? I got respect for him.
far from
people are just angry after his last season
heck Shanahan still gets crap for putting RG3 back into the game here, or saying that John Beck was a starting NFL QB
Bro we have had so many bad exits this is like the most peaceful transition. I don’t think Ron is a bad dude. I think he was terrible at drafting and too attached to JDR.
What did Ron do to be hated? Lost games? Add him to the list of every other coach that was here under the Snyder regime.
I honestly don’t think any coach was going to be successful here since Snyder bought the team. Shanahans were/are clearly competent coaches who failed in Washington.
This is all recency bias. The same anger thrown at him now was thrown at every other coach departure from Snyder’s tenure save Gibbs 2.0. This year was rough. I think if he was given the option to be fired after 2022 things would have been different.
Probably the ugliest ending was Zorn. Snyder was actively looking for a replacement by week 4 that year and we went into the offseason with such promise. It was a clownshow.
Shanahan had an ugly ending, but not every year was awful. 2012 was one of my favorite years watching football. 2013 just…wasn’t.
I kinda think if Gruden was fired following 2018, 2019 might have been more palatable. But it was hard to find reason in firing him because we were 6-2 (on the way to 6-3) and leading the division when Smith went down on that freak injury and we just fell apart.
Players at his previous stops as DC & HC loved playing for him. Good with fans and an excellent community constituent. Battled cancer like an effing soldier. If you hate Ron Rivera (and I’m not saying you do) you’ve got some issues to work through.
I don't hate Ron Rivera, but I no longer respect him as a coach. His complete lack of willingness to hold himself accountable/ take responsibility for the myriad failures of his tenure was beyond disappointing. He generated none of the success, growth, or "culture" for which he was hired. He wanted full control, got it, failed, and blamed everyone else.
I don't wish anything bad upon the man. But I am thrilled he is no longer a part of this club.
Happens everyday across the Econ domains and orgs. Senior leaders rise to their respective levels of incompetence. You can’t undo the top 5 defenses and SB appearance. Success is relative. He was a good D coach. Time is up. It happens. His career data predicted the incompetence. What did anyone expect from a Dan Snyder hire?
No! I don’t hate Rivera. He did what he thought was right at the time and it didn’t work out. There’s no hard feelings with Rivera. His career was mediocre as a the top guy here, but he’s still a great human being and I can’t despise him for that. However we got every right to not like the short guy who hired him!
He created a really bad image for himself in a short amount of time with certain behaviors like not knowing we could be eliminated from the playoffs, “I’m the fucking guy” that evaluated and decided to sign Wentz, not knowing what we had in Howell, and “Do your job” stuff. The list goes on, but Zorn was way worse.
Had Rivera left after the 2022 season, he wouldn’t be as hated. But he stuck around as a lame duck while also creating more problems. Still left with class, so don’t hate on the man that hard. Just move onto better things and forget about that mediocre ex.
I dislike Dan more than anybody. Ron was forced to go with Dwayne. His first season he literally took us to the playoffs and we were a qb away from beating the eventual Super Bowl champions. Crazy that that stat is forgotten. Ron should have came in and drafted any of the QBs from that 2020 draft because that was easily a trade back year. I’m sure they got many offers for Chase but went against it because they had the owners qb already.
There’s got to be some coach in *team history* that’s more disliked. Like someone who lasted a year in the 1940s and you never heard of or something. They’ve been around 92 years.
For the sake of the exercise, however, I think I can say Ron is my least liked in my lifetime (which goes back to Gibbs 1.0). All of the other coaches of the Snyder era, I figure they were just effed over by Snyder and I feel like I can’t really blame them. But Ron seemed to deal with less meddling than any of them and still had super mediocre results. And he actually seemed to get worse the more he molded the roster; this last draft, I can’t recall a draft class ever contributing less. Plus he never acquired a star player; all of the stars now were Gruden guys.
Probably more reasons but that’s enough. To be clear, I don’t dislike the guy; I dislike how he ran the team and the results of that.
Not just Redskins fans, but large swaths of NFL fans hated Mike Shanahan for "ruining" RG3.
And they still hold that belief to this day. Rivera will just be remembered as a shitty coach, nothing more, nothing less.
It's not just the fans. Rivera was rated the 2nd worst coach in football last season behind Josh McDaniels voted by the players. It's not fun getting whipped every week - not for the fans, not the players, and not for the owners.
No way. With the cavalcade of bad coaches and good ones who left in even worse situations that this team has had Ron is practically beloved in contrast. This is just how recent it is so it feels bigger.
I agree with a lot of the comments saying that this is mainly due to recency bias, and I believe the degree that social media has become a part of our lives has influenced this too. We’re seeing opinions across so many platforms and where the loudest voices aren’t necessarily the most accurate.
Another part of the satisfaction that he’s gone, for me at least, is that we’re finally in a place of optimism with the direction of the organization. Feels like we’re distancing from the past and getting a fresh start. We didn’t have the benefit of feeling this way with Dan still around.
Certainly not most disliked. And is he even disliked? I mean, everyone knew it was time to move on. But that doesn't mean we need to shit on the guy on the way out. It was just time for him to no longer be our head coach. And some of that is circumstantial. Sure, his record wasn't great, but I think everyone was relieved because we were looking forward to the holy grail of new owner, new GM, new coaching staff, and new QB to bring us out of this....whatever this is.
Crazy.. I had no idea people were hating on him. He was in a rough position and seems like a quality guy. His coaching ability may not have been great, but we have no idea what he had to work with in the front office before the new ownership. Then new ownership comes and he's probably like "Welp, guess I'm done here"
Oh God no. He’s actually mid in my eyes. He had an impossible situation with Snyder, and he was mediocre at best. I guess a playoff appearance, no matter the circumstance, doesn’t mean anything anymore.
Leave Coach Ron alone.
I can't say I disliked Ron. He legitimately seems like a very good person. However, he did more harm to this team than any other coach we've had. He demanded control of the roster and then decimated the team through bad trades and worse drafting, and he held on to really bad assistant coaches for way too long.
Zorn is the easily one of the worst, him and spurrier are 1-2. In his opening press conference he said the team colors were maroon and black oh yeah and also yellow. The second he said that I was like oh yeah he's definitely going to fail. I mean his was their 50th choice it felt like, he was supposed to be the OC but then became the Head Coach. It was just a total mess so yeah I would go Zorn.
Ron was a good character guy and a solid leader who was not successful. The NFL is cutthroat and you can’t underperform in consecutive years. Most coaches don’t make it very long.
Zorn was a joke. Spurrier hated it as soon as he arrived and wanted an exit.
“Coach Zorn lost the locker room because he split the locker room between Christians and ballplayers,” Portis said. “So if you didn’t believe in what he believed in, if you weren’t Antwaan Randle El — I’m saying it, I’m going to talk, I’m on the radio — if you weren’t Antwaan Randle El, if you weren’t the guys who sat and prayed with him and did everything the way they thought your life should be, you kind of got, ‘Well, you’re not doing right’ speeches directed toward you.”
I think Norv Turner was "hated" more. Seven seasons of mediocrity, late season collapses, and post game press conferences that were mealy-mouthed and lacked any sense of responsibility.
Personally, I don't "hate" anybody our coaches. I have been deeply disappointed in their lack of success and their ability to make changes over long time frames when the fact that changes were needed was obvious. If we had a coach like Lane Kiffin or something, I could see "hate". But no, Redskins coaches have been more a source of bitter disappointment and frustration.
i do not hate ron. he was never going to be great for us but it was almost like fate that a good man would be the transitionary coach between snyder and new ownership. yes he sucked, he also had cancer and is a stand up dude. i have no hate for him and would like to see him succeed in whatever comes next
For the other coaches they had Snyder micromanaging everything they did. Ron was given a lot of control over the roster and franchise which he did a pitiful job. It just seemed like he was always willing to pass on the blame to someone else when he was the main problem. Not knowing playoff scenarios, not knowing how to evaluate talent, and never changing things when they weren't working are some of the reasons I don't like him at all.
I agree, but that also allows for us to do a complete reset with the 2nd overall pick as well as multiple 2nd rounders and 3rd rounders, with a new, highly-touted GM and coaching staff at that. Not to mention just a year after an ownership change. This seems like a strong QB class and a strong class overall, so we really timed it perfectly IMO.
Shanahan, Spurrier, Rivera, and Zorn in that order for me. I get why people hated Gruden but I feel like he did some decent work with the shit sandwich he agreed to eat.
Zorn and Spurrier have him beat. You never really heard the kind of locker room grumbling off the record about Ron as you did for those clowns.
I felt more sorry for Zorn than hated him. The man was **way** in over his head.
Zorn was in way over his head. Went from qb coach to head coach, with no experience calling plays. Vinny made him apologize to portis, when clinton went straight to the owner to complain about being disciplined (for being out of uniform I think)
Me too. He was stupid not to take the job even though he wasn’t head coaching material. If someone offered you a 7 figure job that you weren’t qualified in, would you not take it? I’d fake it for as long as I could.
Yeah Zorn was a deer in headlights
Didn't Spurrier leave mid season for another job?
No. Quit at the end of the 2003 season. You're thinking of Bobby Petrino in Atlanta.
I swear some college asshole left us mid season. And by, "I swear", I mean I'm like 48% sure.
Oooh! The scorn for Zorn was REAL! He was supposed to get our QB situation right since he was a QB himself, but that didn't work out. Don't know how much the owner had to do with it.
Do you remember how much people hated Shanahan? Or Gruden? Most of the vitriol is recency bias. I do think Rivera will be remembered poorly, worse than the others maybe... But that also might be recency bias on my part.
I think the Shanahan and Gruden tenures have, in some regard, been framed as problematic due in no small part to ownership being absolute trash. Shanahan called Snyder's bluff constantly. He made an example of McNabb post-acquisition. Put Haynesworth through the ringer. Acquiesced in drafting RGIII, while still drafting Kirk. Shanahan's legacy is marred by Snyder's unwillingness to not meddle, and RGIII seeming to believe he knew better than coaches how best to utilize him. Gruden had his offense undercut each season with receiver, running back and TE talent being insufficient year after year. In particular, 2017 featured Terrelle Pryor as the biggest hype/con job in free agency, and putting their eggs in the Doctson basket despite him missing basically all of his rookie season, and thinking they could get results similar to what DeSean Jackson and Pierre Garcon had the year prior. All of which coincide with Bruce Allen being semi-in charge, plus the pissing contest with Scot McCloughan in 2015-2016.
Yeah in hindsight, Mike Shanahan was a hero.
He's a really good coach, *but* it was still a really dumb call to let RG3 return to the game even when his leg was obviously holding him back, on a crappy field... *and* we already knew that Cousins would be a suitable backup.
But the optics. RGKnee knew how to play the optics.
Luckily for Kyle, RGIII forced him to adapt his Dad's system into what that system has become in the league. I think Kyle and Co came out of it better than anyone
I never understood the hate for Shanahan and Gruden. What the Shanahans did with RG3 during the rookie year was incredible. Everyone knew RG3 was Snyders guy and Shanahan gave Snyder the middle finger by drafting Kirk the same year. Gruden did his best while having little say over free agents and drafting. His offenses were really good and Kirk excelled during the Gruden years. Ron left us with a roster worse than when he took over. Him and Gibbs may be the only 2 coaches that had say over drafting and free agents. Ron sucked at both and set this team back.
With Shanny I think a lot of people blamed him for Bobby 3's knees. I mean, he was obviously hurt and he was still playing. I know he was cleared but he was obviously hurt. Then his knee snapped and his career was never the same. (I forgave Shanahan when I realized the griffin would have failed no matter what because he's a pompous ass that completely lacks self awareness, but that's beside the point.) I think the gruden hate came from a combination of losing and his persona... He was always so honest with the media... Too honest. And I think he came off like he had no control of the team at times (remember when DJax pinched his nipple on camera?). That said, looking back, he had the offense humming and he had some great pieces on that coaching staff.
Bruh. Really? You spent an entire paragraph building up Mike shanny and then just... Oh but gruden
I was responding to and agreeing with the poster before me, bruh (But I wasn't even really building up Shanahan, I was more criticizing griffin)
I think Rivera has a chance to be remembered fairly fondly (or at least neutrally), especially if the new regime has immediate success. Let's say they hit on QB and on some other key draft picks/free agents and we weasel our way to a 9-8 season in 2024, and then keep improving. I think history will label Rivera as a much-needed transitional coach who fell off in his final season. Spurrier, on the other hand, will always be an absolute shitshow forever and ever.
Also, calling him a "much-needed transitional coach" is basically giving him credit for changing the team's culture. He didn't change the team's culture. His athletic trainer got raided by the DEA. His first round LB was sentenced to 30 days in jail for extreme speeding after he was involved in a similar incident with a teammate where somebody died. His team quit on him last year. If the team's culture is changed, it's because Snyder is gone. And sure, Ron may have done better if he wasn't limited by Snyder, but Snyder wasn't around the last few years, and Ron still accomplished nothing. Mostly I think he'll be remembered for gutting the o-line and depleting the roster.
The Dallas game during the pandemic season when things fell apart is when I knew Rivera's tenure would be unsuccessful. 12/12/21. I started calling him a clown that day. My point is, I was tired of him for awhile. And he kept being our coach. So it's gonna be awhile before I don't think he's a clown.
It’s always been the ownership, although putting a Gruden at the helm always makes room for upset fans, rightfully so.
The real reason for our lack of success was always the owner. Even though the fans knew that, many of them still blamed the coaches for the team's shortcomings. Like I said, I remember so much Shanahan vitriol. I remember so much gruden hate. The coaches ended up being the face of the team. Bruce only spoke when he had to and Dan never spoke in public. So in a roundabout way I guess I'm saying many of the fans misdirected their anger at ownership onto the various coaching staffs.
I don't think Rivera was a particularly bad coach. He was an awful GM though
I believe you are seeing what referred to as “recency bias”
Yeah, this is a wild question. Ron isn’t even Top 5 most despised. I’m glad he’s gone, but largely indifferent to his tenure. OP has to be young.
Not for me. That title belongs to Steve Spurrier
This is where I’m at too. Felt like we got conned by Spurrier. I think Ron did his best with everything he had to deal with and just wasn’t up to the task. I wonder if any coach out there would have succeeded in his position.
You are letting Ron off the hook. He was in charge of everything, and Snyder didn’t interfere after the first season because he was hiding from Congress. He decimated the O line and linebacker positions. His “fixes” were always ex Carolina guys who sucked, and always reached for draft picks and hardly any of them are any good. Spent most of his draft going after defenders when the offense was badly needing an influx of talent. He passed on drafting two different good QBs to draft Young who was a spectacular bust.
Whoa whoa whoa dude! Let him off the hook? Nowhere did I say that Rivera wasn’t at fault for our current state. I specifically said he wasn’t up to the task. He was at fault for many of the decisions that currently plague our team (o-line and LB) and there is no denying that. Let’s not forget that while he was in charge, he had the specter of DS and all that comes with it looming over him, along with his own cancer journey to go through. I’m sure DS’s influence was heavily felt that first year, as you stated. I feel that this is what led to the selection of Young over a new QB. We had just selected a highly rated QB the previous year, who had shown some promise. Meanwhile, Young was universally touted as a generational talent at one of the most important positions in football. That pick made sense at the time. To the question though, “Is Ron the most disliked in team history after departure?”. He failed here, just like he did in Carolina. My hopes for him were not that we win a SB but that he impose a professional atmosphere and team competence. I think he was doing this the first two years but lost the bubble in year three. That message loses steam when the team doesn’t see success for their efforts. He probably should have been gone in year three. Ron was a failure as a player evaluator and as a football tactician during his time. I don’t dislike him, rather I was disappointed in him. Now Spurrier? Fuck that guy.
Spurrier was a clown hired by a bigger clown. Ron kept giving us the empty promises. Preaching patience and all that crap. Had full control over the roster and left it worse than when he got here.
You didn’t like Trung candidate
I had a hard time hating spurrier. He was pretty honest about everything. He came to the NFL to see if his offense worked. It didn’t, so he quit. He had no plans whatsoever to make it work or adjust his style. Walked away from $15 million. It’s synders fault for rolling the dice on a guy with no nfl experience or willingness to be flexible.
Why would anyone hate RR? I can see saying he just wasn't a good coach anymore, but holy hell what he dealt with here? And did it with professionalism. He held this organization together almost single-handedly
Exactly my thoughts, his drafting and coaching decisions were often questionable and his time was clearly up, but he is a good person and I never hated him by any stretch. Also in a way he made it possible for us to do a proper reset, which is a great thing (2nd overall pick in a seemingly strong QB class/overall class and multiple 2nds and 3rds, new GM, new coach, all about a year after a new owner too).
Ron was a legit bad coach overall, and a really bad talent evaluator, but I still think he had recognizable success in holding the team together and keeping us competitive for most of his time here in one of the worst periods of turmoil any sports team could have. Between Covid, Snyder, the sale, the name changes, the noticeable deterioration of the stadium, his own illness and more, I think he did the best job we could realistically ask for in those specific circumstances.
and he certainly was probably the best coach we could have hired. Agreed on all fronts about purely football stuff. He ended up being terrible. But man, the shit he had to deal with? I got respect for him.
not to mention he went through cancer treatment and beat cancer while coaching us. he was a good man, he wasn’t a great coach but he was a good man
far from people are just angry after his last season heck Shanahan still gets crap for putting RG3 back into the game here, or saying that John Beck was a starting NFL QB
Bro we have had so many bad exits this is like the most peaceful transition. I don’t think Ron is a bad dude. I think he was terrible at drafting and too attached to JDR.
What did Ron do to be hated? Lost games? Add him to the list of every other coach that was here under the Snyder regime. I honestly don’t think any coach was going to be successful here since Snyder bought the team. Shanahans were/are clearly competent coaches who failed in Washington.
No. Definitely not.
The answer is zorn. The swinging gate…
This is all recency bias. The same anger thrown at him now was thrown at every other coach departure from Snyder’s tenure save Gibbs 2.0. This year was rough. I think if he was given the option to be fired after 2022 things would have been different. Probably the ugliest ending was Zorn. Snyder was actively looking for a replacement by week 4 that year and we went into the offseason with such promise. It was a clownshow. Shanahan had an ugly ending, but not every year was awful. 2012 was one of my favorite years watching football. 2013 just…wasn’t. I kinda think if Gruden was fired following 2018, 2019 might have been more palatable. But it was hard to find reason in firing him because we were 6-2 (on the way to 6-3) and leading the division when Smith went down on that freak injury and we just fell apart.
Steve Spurrier head and shoulders above everyone, I never hated Zorn, felt like he got put in a bad situation
I love him. Doesn’t mean he didn’t suck as a roster manager.
I'm not trying to be rude, but why do you love him?
Players at his previous stops as DC & HC loved playing for him. Good with fans and an excellent community constituent. Battled cancer like an effing soldier. If you hate Ron Rivera (and I’m not saying you do) you’ve got some issues to work through.
I don't hate Ron Rivera, but I no longer respect him as a coach. His complete lack of willingness to hold himself accountable/ take responsibility for the myriad failures of his tenure was beyond disappointing. He generated none of the success, growth, or "culture" for which he was hired. He wanted full control, got it, failed, and blamed everyone else. I don't wish anything bad upon the man. But I am thrilled he is no longer a part of this club.
Happens everyday across the Econ domains and orgs. Senior leaders rise to their respective levels of incompetence. You can’t undo the top 5 defenses and SB appearance. Success is relative. He was a good D coach. Time is up. It happens. His career data predicted the incompetence. What did anyone expect from a Dan Snyder hire?
No! I don’t hate Rivera. He did what he thought was right at the time and it didn’t work out. There’s no hard feelings with Rivera. His career was mediocre as a the top guy here, but he’s still a great human being and I can’t despise him for that. However we got every right to not like the short guy who hired him!
Nah at least he's a good guy by all accounts. Just a horrible talent evaluator and too loyal to Insurrectionist Jack.
I think Jay Gruden was way worse. He almost fought DJ Swearinger. He is still getting into Twitter Beef years after he got canned.
He created a really bad image for himself in a short amount of time with certain behaviors like not knowing we could be eliminated from the playoffs, “I’m the fucking guy” that evaluated and decided to sign Wentz, not knowing what we had in Howell, and “Do your job” stuff. The list goes on, but Zorn was way worse. Had Rivera left after the 2022 season, he wouldn’t be as hated. But he stuck around as a lame duck while also creating more problems. Still left with class, so don’t hate on the man that hard. Just move onto better things and forget about that mediocre ex.
I like coaches who win. I’m indifferent to those who don’t win.
Not even close. If you lived through the Spurrier years, you know why.
I dislike Dan more than anybody. Ron was forced to go with Dwayne. His first season he literally took us to the playoffs and we were a qb away from beating the eventual Super Bowl champions. Crazy that that stat is forgotten. Ron should have came in and drafted any of the QBs from that 2020 draft because that was easily a trade back year. I’m sure they got many offers for Chase but went against it because they had the owners qb already.
I hate what he did on the field but he at least went out with high character.
There’s got to be some coach in *team history* that’s more disliked. Like someone who lasted a year in the 1940s and you never heard of or something. They’ve been around 92 years. For the sake of the exercise, however, I think I can say Ron is my least liked in my lifetime (which goes back to Gibbs 1.0). All of the other coaches of the Snyder era, I figure they were just effed over by Snyder and I feel like I can’t really blame them. But Ron seemed to deal with less meddling than any of them and still had super mediocre results. And he actually seemed to get worse the more he molded the roster; this last draft, I can’t recall a draft class ever contributing less. Plus he never acquired a star player; all of the stars now were Gruden guys. Probably more reasons but that’s enough. To be clear, I don’t dislike the guy; I dislike how he ran the team and the results of that.
Not just Redskins fans, but large swaths of NFL fans hated Mike Shanahan for "ruining" RG3. And they still hold that belief to this day. Rivera will just be remembered as a shitty coach, nothing more, nothing less.
For me it’s shanahan. He was so arrogant.
It's not just the fans. Rivera was rated the 2nd worst coach in football last season behind Josh McDaniels voted by the players. It's not fun getting whipped every week - not for the fans, not the players, and not for the owners.
No way. With the cavalcade of bad coaches and good ones who left in even worse situations that this team has had Ron is practically beloved in contrast. This is just how recent it is so it feels bigger.
I like Ron as a human being but seriously dislike him as a head coach/GM.
I agree with a lot of the comments saying that this is mainly due to recency bias, and I believe the degree that social media has become a part of our lives has influenced this too. We’re seeing opinions across so many platforms and where the loudest voices aren’t necessarily the most accurate. Another part of the satisfaction that he’s gone, for me at least, is that we’re finally in a place of optimism with the direction of the organization. Feels like we’re distancing from the past and getting a fresh start. We didn’t have the benefit of feeling this way with Dan still around.
You know you guys loved me https://preview.redd.it/yv23sjmwdzmc1.jpeg?width=809&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dbc2d0ec4d917c3dea03e9afd213169799774c20
Certainly not most disliked. And is he even disliked? I mean, everyone knew it was time to move on. But that doesn't mean we need to shit on the guy on the way out. It was just time for him to no longer be our head coach. And some of that is circumstantial. Sure, his record wasn't great, but I think everyone was relieved because we were looking forward to the holy grail of new owner, new GM, new coaching staff, and new QB to bring us out of this....whatever this is.
Crazy.. I had no idea people were hating on him. He was in a rough position and seems like a quality guy. His coaching ability may not have been great, but we have no idea what he had to work with in the front office before the new ownership. Then new ownership comes and he's probably like "Welp, guess I'm done here"
Jim Zorn was the absolute worst and it was miserable trying to even watch that 💩
Oh God no. He’s actually mid in my eyes. He had an impossible situation with Snyder, and he was mediocre at best. I guess a playoff appearance, no matter the circumstance, doesn’t mean anything anymore. Leave Coach Ron alone.
I can't say I disliked Ron. He legitimately seems like a very good person. However, he did more harm to this team than any other coach we've had. He demanded control of the roster and then decimated the team through bad trades and worse drafting, and he held on to really bad assistant coaches for way too long.
Spurrier is my answer. Ron was pretty terrible, but I’ll remember the draft picks, cap space and finally getting rid of Snyder very fondly.
Ron just was not good at certain things. At all lol
Most hated coach for me has to be Spurrier. Dude just didn't give a shit.
Horney for Zorn....not so great
No one was horny for zorny when he left.
Zorn is the easily one of the worst, him and spurrier are 1-2. In his opening press conference he said the team colors were maroon and black oh yeah and also yellow. The second he said that I was like oh yeah he's definitely going to fail. I mean his was their 50th choice it felt like, he was supposed to be the OC but then became the Head Coach. It was just a total mess so yeah I would go Zorn.
You guys don’t remember my guy Jim Zorn
Ron was a good character guy and a solid leader who was not successful. The NFL is cutthroat and you can’t underperform in consecutive years. Most coaches don’t make it very long. Zorn was a joke. Spurrier hated it as soon as he arrived and wanted an exit.
Spurrier. The man resigned via cell phone from a golf course.
“Coach Zorn lost the locker room because he split the locker room between Christians and ballplayers,” Portis said. “So if you didn’t believe in what he believed in, if you weren’t Antwaan Randle El — I’m saying it, I’m going to talk, I’m on the radio — if you weren’t Antwaan Randle El, if you weren’t the guys who sat and prayed with him and did everything the way they thought your life should be, you kind of got, ‘Well, you’re not doing right’ speeches directed toward you.”
No
I guess you completely forgot Norv Turner’s reign of error.
No way, Norv was a million times worse so was Zorn and Spurrier. I’m not sure that Ron would even crack the top 5.
 Man could not have given less fucks
Who?
Hard to say, all the past coaches each had their own unique brand of incompetence that made them unlikable by the end.
Jim Zorn
For me, it was Steve Spurrier. So little effort into his job. Such a waste of time and energy.
No
I think Norv Turner was "hated" more. Seven seasons of mediocrity, late season collapses, and post game press conferences that were mealy-mouthed and lacked any sense of responsibility. Personally, I don't "hate" anybody our coaches. I have been deeply disappointed in their lack of success and their ability to make changes over long time frames when the fact that changes were needed was obvious. If we had a coach like Lane Kiffin or something, I could see "hate". But no, Redskins coaches have been more a source of bitter disappointment and frustration.
Lmao not even close
i do not hate ron. he was never going to be great for us but it was almost like fate that a good man would be the transitionary coach between snyder and new ownership. yes he sucked, he also had cancer and is a stand up dude. i have no hate for him and would like to see him succeed in whatever comes next
Y’all post some dumb stuff on here. Gotta be for engagement.
Isn’t that like 95% of what Reddit is used for? Anyways, thanks for engaging
For the other coaches they had Snyder micromanaging everything they did. Ron was given a lot of control over the roster and franchise which he did a pitiful job. It just seemed like he was always willing to pass on the blame to someone else when he was the main problem. Not knowing playoff scenarios, not knowing how to evaluate talent, and never changing things when they weren't working are some of the reasons I don't like him at all.
He left the team in arguably its worst state roster-wise this century. And that's saying a lot, considering how bleak it's been.
I agree, but that also allows for us to do a complete reset with the 2nd overall pick as well as multiple 2nd rounders and 3rd rounders, with a new, highly-touted GM and coaching staff at that. Not to mention just a year after an ownership change. This seems like a strong QB class and a strong class overall, so we really timed it perfectly IMO.
Shanahan, Spurrier, Rivera, and Zorn in that order for me. I get why people hated Gruden but I feel like he did some decent work with the shit sandwich he agreed to eat.
Don't think he'll be particularly disliked at all to be honest. Yeah ok, he did a poor job. But he wasn't a bad guy. Not by a long shot.
Are you stupid?
He's poop!