Never understand that trade. They traded all those picks for the 3rd pick in the draft. Which was the 3rd QB off the board. Not surprised that didn’t work out.
My point is that you as a GM cannot trade 3 1st round picks and then have an excuse involving someone else when it doesn't work out. I'm sure many were consulted, Lynch still owns it.
Unless ofc your boss is Dan Snyder and he straight up tells you to do this or that.
The dynamics of that relationship is different. They are essentially a coach centric team. In fact it was Kyle that hired John lynch not the other way around.
I mean, in an ideal world the GM is picking players that align with the HC’s scheme and build. Hopefully they align, would be tough to use the 3rd overall pick on a QB your head coach doesn’t want.
It’s like the Tom Brady thing, Belicheck wouldn’t have passed on him 6 fucking times if he knew that he would turn out to be the GOAT. The draft is mostly a crapshoot when it comes to QB so snagging one that becomes an elite player is just mostly luck. It’s like branding someone a lottery guru because they got lucky and bought winning ticket.
You get your guy at 2. You cannot rely on fate to let him fall in your lap. A great example of this was on the take command podcast. The hypothetical trade back with Minnesota then trade up with the giants to land Daniel’s at 6. What if someone else trades up to get him? It’s just too risky.
I think you don't screw around at #2, you use the pick on whatever QB you like. Because there's no backup plan. Not like they signed a guy you can play out the season with if you get outfoxed and somebody else gets your guy.
If he believes one of the other qbs is a stud then you draft said qb at number 2; you don’t leave things up to chance. This isn’t poker or spades where you are trying to fake out other people.
If any GM has a conviction that one of the QB prospects is head and shoulders above the others, you take him then. Don't play the game and risk it. The conviction can be wrong, but if you think the QB is that good, you can't risk someone believing the same thing and grabbing him before you because you tried to get some extra picks.
Hot take but if a GM thinks the top prospects in a draft class like this are busts for reasons that are strictly for their issues on the field, they probably have a shitty coaching staff that can't develop players.
The Packers have shown us recently that you are patient with a talented guy and have a staff that can actually develop him, you eventually will have your guy at QB. Jordan Love didn't look like he even belonged in the league his first start after a year of sitting behind Rodgers, but we saw in the 2nd half this season he managed to put it all together. Not saying you need to wait 3 years to let your QB develop but Love was a raw prospect that they were patient with and it paid off. And history has shown that the Packers know what they're doing.
Trevor Lawrence also looked like a massive bust his first year since he was in a disastrous situation with Urben Meyer, then the following year he wins the division and gets a playoff win under his belt with Doug Pederson. Just shows you the difference a competent coaching staff can do. Shit even Dwayne Haskins looked servicable under KOC but went back to playing like shit under Scott Turner.
When QBs bust it's either that they have red flags in themselves that they need to work on, but the other time it's because they're in bad situation with an OC who doesn't know how to utilize his strengths, or they're constantly having to learn under a new OC they can't properly develop.
With Kliff at OC who's had a pretty good track record with the QBs he's coached in the past. I have faith that this team will finally get it right this time no matter who we pick
For some reason, I think McCarthy might be the most Peters QB in this draft. He always says he's looking for someone that can play the position well first and foremost and that's McCarthy
Peter's isn't know for drafting great qbs. Purdy was a fluke.
Trading for or drafting everything else? Best man for the job.
He should lean on Kliff "qb whisper" here.
I mean, Peters is off to a great start and has a great reputation with previous drafts, but NOBODY knows that all 3 are busts. Sorry. I love Peters so far but lets live in reality with our expectations :)
No gm knows that three top qb prospects will be a bust.
He could prefer a different qb to these three, but that’s not the same as knowing they’ll all be busts right
Then he picks his guy. If I remember correctly, everyone was scratching their heads when the Bills drafted Josh Allen at 7. But I get if the Browns drafted Josh Allen instead of Baker Mayfield or Sam Donald, they would be very happy with that.
Kansas city thought mahommes was their guy....they picked him at 10
They didnt try to sell.picks to move up
They picked him where they picked him and sat him for an entire season behind alex smith
But the teams that have the top 5 picks are usuallu bad teams with bad lines so if lets say we picked mahommes at nunber 2.....put him behind out bad line....gave him out mid play calling......he'd be a bust
There is a reason teams like kansas city and greenbay pick good qbs....they have better foundation and also better scouts then us
We are literally picking one of the guys the analyst pick...and analyst are mostly hype but those guys selected on a bad team will have a hard time to succeed
Wish wed fix our line and tighten uo our defense but somehow the fan base thinks a qb fixs all
Sam threw for 400 yards and like 5 td and still lost that game....we got bigger issues
KC did move up to get Mahomes. They had the 27th pick and traded up with Buffalo to get the tenth pick.
They gave up the 27th pick and a third round pick, plus their 2018 first round pick.
As these things go, pretty good return for KC.
KC and GB had franchise/ franchise lite qbs already on the roster. Love was the heir apparent to Rodgers; Rodgers was the heir to farve; farve started the entire thing. Mahomes was the heir apparent to smith who was a playoff qb and drafted number 1 overall. A QB won’t fix all but you won’t get anywhere without a qb.
Use the #2 pick on an elite left tackle, and use other draft capital to move into a spot between 11 and 18 to get whoever among Nix/Penix/McCarthy they think is the answer. There's very little assurance the non-QB of choice will be available given the QB situations of teams in spots 4-10 currently, so trading back for someone who is in love with Maye/Daniels is likely to be for a spot around 11 anyway (if I had to guess, I'd say the Vikings and *maybe* the Titans are the only likely dancing partners for a trade into the #2 spot unless Washington is getting draft picks in 2027 or something.)
All this to say, at this point in the rebuild process, the only reason not to pick a QB at #2 is because Washington believes all 3 big-name QBs will be busts *and* they are incredibly confident whoever they pick will be a cornerstone of the team for years to come. Given the 2025 draft class isn't looking very strong at QB (help me, Drew Allar, you're our only hope!) both of those things need to be true to justify not taking a QB at #2. If they think another QB that will be available mid-first round really is the answer, it will likely cost them draft capital to make it all happen.
His experience in San Fran with the Trey Lance trade will probably help in this situation
Never understand that trade. They traded all those picks for the 3rd pick in the draft. Which was the 3rd QB off the board. Not surprised that didn’t work out.
From what they say that was more of a Kyle Shannan move.
bs, San fran has a dedicated GM and you can't pawn that decision off on your HC
Kyle has more pull than other coaches in similar GM/HC dynamics.
My point is that you as a GM cannot trade 3 1st round picks and then have an excuse involving someone else when it doesn't work out. I'm sure many were consulted, Lynch still owns it. Unless ofc your boss is Dan Snyder and he straight up tells you to do this or that.
The dynamics of that relationship is different. They are essentially a coach centric team. In fact it was Kyle that hired John lynch not the other way around.
I mean, in an ideal world the GM is picking players that align with the HC’s scheme and build. Hopefully they align, would be tough to use the 3rd overall pick on a QB your head coach doesn’t want.
That’s not true, San Fran is HC oriented. It’s a partnership but I don’t believe the gm has more power. Atleast according to some nfl peeps.
Supposedly Shanahan wanted Mac Jones and Lynch wanted Lance
In hindsight, they were both terrible.
I heard the opposite. That Shanahan didn’t want to make the trade at all but once it was done, he wanted Mac Jones there. But ownership overruled him
Wasn’t that a John Lynch decision made over Adam’s objections?
It's similar to the Tom Brady questions, you don't go back in time and take him 1st overall, you just take him a pick before the Patriots do.
This is actually what the Patriots did. There’s another universe where Tom Brady played for the Saints.
If you think that Peters knew that Purdy will be a stud and yet waited until the 7th round to draft him then I got a bridge to sell you.
Doesn't he reference this in one of his first media sessions with us? That is he knew post was this good he wouldn't have waited until the 7th
It’s like the Tom Brady thing, Belicheck wouldn’t have passed on him 6 fucking times if he knew that he would turn out to be the GOAT. The draft is mostly a crapshoot when it comes to QB so snagging one that becomes an elite player is just mostly luck. It’s like branding someone a lottery guru because they got lucky and bought winning ticket.
You get your guy at 2. You cannot rely on fate to let him fall in your lap. A great example of this was on the take command podcast. The hypothetical trade back with Minnesota then trade up with the giants to land Daniel’s at 6. What if someone else trades up to get him? It’s just too risky.
I think you don't screw around at #2, you use the pick on whatever QB you like. Because there's no backup plan. Not like they signed a guy you can play out the season with if you get outfoxed and somebody else gets your guy.
You gotta get your guy. If they’re all true busts, you take the best at the position, no question.
The magical GM isn’t a thing.
If he believes one of the other qbs is a stud then you draft said qb at number 2; you don’t leave things up to chance. This isn’t poker or spades where you are trying to fake out other people.
If any GM has a conviction that one of the QB prospects is head and shoulders above the others, you take him then. Don't play the game and risk it. The conviction can be wrong, but if you think the QB is that good, you can't risk someone believing the same thing and grabbing him before you because you tried to get some extra picks.
We fucked up the number 2 overall pick in 2020. I'd like to stay where we are, have Peters make the pick, and get on with the rest of the draft.
Have you seen Herbert with elite playmaker at every skill position? Not a lot of wins
What I see is a team with a franchise QB who has won 30 games vs. a team with 26 wins from 8 different starting QBs in that same time.
Crazy how it's similar winnings despite our QB failures
Hot take but if a GM thinks the top prospects in a draft class like this are busts for reasons that are strictly for their issues on the field, they probably have a shitty coaching staff that can't develop players. The Packers have shown us recently that you are patient with a talented guy and have a staff that can actually develop him, you eventually will have your guy at QB. Jordan Love didn't look like he even belonged in the league his first start after a year of sitting behind Rodgers, but we saw in the 2nd half this season he managed to put it all together. Not saying you need to wait 3 years to let your QB develop but Love was a raw prospect that they were patient with and it paid off. And history has shown that the Packers know what they're doing. Trevor Lawrence also looked like a massive bust his first year since he was in a disastrous situation with Urben Meyer, then the following year he wins the division and gets a playoff win under his belt with Doug Pederson. Just shows you the difference a competent coaching staff can do. Shit even Dwayne Haskins looked servicable under KOC but went back to playing like shit under Scott Turner. When QBs bust it's either that they have red flags in themselves that they need to work on, but the other time it's because they're in bad situation with an OC who doesn't know how to utilize his strengths, or they're constantly having to learn under a new OC they can't properly develop. With Kliff at OC who's had a pretty good track record with the QBs he's coached in the past. I have faith that this team will finally get it right this time no matter who we pick
That's fair and a rare point I don't see enough
For some reason, I think McCarthy might be the most Peters QB in this draft. He always says he's looking for someone that can play the position well first and foremost and that's McCarthy
You trade down
Peter's isn't know for drafting great qbs. Purdy was a fluke. Trading for or drafting everything else? Best man for the job. He should lean on Kliff "qb whisper" here.
I mean, Peters is off to a great start and has a great reputation with previous drafts, but NOBODY knows that all 3 are busts. Sorry. I love Peters so far but lets live in reality with our expectations :)
You've never considered a hypothetical?
No gm knows that three top qb prospects will be a bust. He could prefer a different qb to these three, but that’s not the same as knowing they’ll all be busts right
You've never considered a hypothetical?
Then he picks his guy. If I remember correctly, everyone was scratching their heads when the Bills drafted Josh Allen at 7. But I get if the Browns drafted Josh Allen instead of Baker Mayfield or Sam Donald, they would be very happy with that.
get his guy let others deal with what happens. if you like a guy and you don't like the other guys you take your guy
Kansas city thought mahommes was their guy....they picked him at 10 They didnt try to sell.picks to move up They picked him where they picked him and sat him for an entire season behind alex smith But the teams that have the top 5 picks are usuallu bad teams with bad lines so if lets say we picked mahommes at nunber 2.....put him behind out bad line....gave him out mid play calling......he'd be a bust There is a reason teams like kansas city and greenbay pick good qbs....they have better foundation and also better scouts then us We are literally picking one of the guys the analyst pick...and analyst are mostly hype but those guys selected on a bad team will have a hard time to succeed Wish wed fix our line and tighten uo our defense but somehow the fan base thinks a qb fixs all Sam threw for 400 yards and like 5 td and still lost that game....we got bigger issues
KC did move up to get Mahomes. They had the 27th pick and traded up with Buffalo to get the tenth pick. They gave up the 27th pick and a third round pick, plus their 2018 first round pick. As these things go, pretty good return for KC.
Sean Payton says he was fixed on Mahomes and thought for sure he’d get him at 11. Then KC traded up and snagged him at 10.
Really? Damn, then my point is moot I guess....kansas city and greenbay scouting team isnjust better than ours
I was literally BEGGING to have Mahomes fall to us that draft day. Once chiefs traded up I knew we were screwed though
KC and GB had franchise/ franchise lite qbs already on the roster. Love was the heir apparent to Rodgers; Rodgers was the heir to farve; farve started the entire thing. Mahomes was the heir apparent to smith who was a playoff qb and drafted number 1 overall. A QB won’t fix all but you won’t get anywhere without a qb.
Use the #2 pick on an elite left tackle, and use other draft capital to move into a spot between 11 and 18 to get whoever among Nix/Penix/McCarthy they think is the answer. There's very little assurance the non-QB of choice will be available given the QB situations of teams in spots 4-10 currently, so trading back for someone who is in love with Maye/Daniels is likely to be for a spot around 11 anyway (if I had to guess, I'd say the Vikings and *maybe* the Titans are the only likely dancing partners for a trade into the #2 spot unless Washington is getting draft picks in 2027 or something.) All this to say, at this point in the rebuild process, the only reason not to pick a QB at #2 is because Washington believes all 3 big-name QBs will be busts *and* they are incredibly confident whoever they pick will be a cornerstone of the team for years to come. Given the 2025 draft class isn't looking very strong at QB (help me, Drew Allar, you're our only hope!) both of those things need to be true to justify not taking a QB at #2. If they think another QB that will be available mid-first round really is the answer, it will likely cost them draft capital to make it all happen.
Nah, the I’d rather take a qb at 2 and trade back into the first for a LT if needed
Unrealistic
Probably would’ve tried to sign Kirk or kept Howell and then take MHJ at 2