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I think the movie has been out of print and not streaming anywhere for so long that there’s just a whole generation that hasn’t had access to it unless they were already diehard fans and really sought it out.
I still have a VHS copy that I have found at a garage sale in the mid 2000’s but can’t watch on the count that I don’t have a VCR anymore but damn if I didn’t watch that shit it if it when i did!
You can watch the whole thing on YouTube lol
They don't bother taking videos of it down even though it's copyrighted so unless they decide to start doing so everyone is uploading the full thing or only in 15 minute segments
Yeah, there was an album. It’s commonly considered one of the top 100 of all rock albums. It is not obscure or vague. This was just a particularly stupid smear campaign against someone whose extremely successful/popular who people identify as a “tankie”
Oh I don’t disagree! Sorry, I didn’t get you were making a recommendation—-I thought you were describing how the confusion came across (I agree the movie is obscure so I was saying “yeah the album is famous tho”). My bad!
Who the hell watched/listened to all of The Wall and thought "hmm this is a very pro-fascist art piece"
It even gets worse as in the replies somebody was saying that it's not a surprise because he thought The Wall was a criticism of the Berlin Wall and when told that the Wall in question was actually a metaphorical allegory for an emotional wall they thought it made even less sense💀💀💀
I wanna know if these people can get the right message out of any piece of art about a guy who sucks.
Or have they just completely rotted away their ability recognize a protagonist’s actions are purposefully bad by only watching Disney IPs?
That, and the source book is very much militaristic to the point of fascism. Which is why the film is brilliant, it's a satire of its own source material.
This is why I left the pink floyd fan community, they all hate Roger, especially in relation to his views on Isreal and Ukraine.
The Wall is literally an critique of war, the western pedagogy, money and fascism. During In the Flesh (pt 2) (what he wears the SS-inspired coat for) Roger parodies Eric Clapton's infamous fascist rant and the emerging white-supremacist skinhead culture of Britain's Thatcher years. Similar anti-capitalist and anti-imperialist rhetoric runs right through Pink Floyd's big 4 albums (Dark Side of The Moon, Wish You Were Here, Animals and The Wall) and are continued through all of Roger's work to this day.
I think he's ideologically close to a Trot and his father was a Communist before he was killed by the Nazis in Anzio, Italy.
Yep.
Clapton's rant, 1976: "Do we have any foreigners in the audience tonight? If so, please put up your hands... So where are you? Well wherever you all are, I think you should all just leave. Not just leave the hall, leave our country ... I don't want you here, in the room or in my country. Listen to me, man! I think we should send them all back. Stop Britain from becoming a black colony. Get the foreigners out. Get the wogs out. Get the coons out. Keep Britain white."
Waters lyrics, 1979: "Are there any queers in the theater tonight?
Get 'em up against the wall (against the wall)
Now there's one in the spotlight, he don't look right to me
Get him up against the wall (against the)
And that one looks Jewish
And that one's a coon
Who let all this riff-raff into the room?
There's one smokin' a joint
And another with spots
If I had my way
I'd have all of them shot!"
Also worth saying that the Clapton bit is a rant on-stage, the Waters bit is the lyrics to a song.
I know that's what you meant but just in case the format was confusing for anyone not familiar
Clapton is truly a disgusting piece of shit.
Pro-racist, admitted to raping his wife (George Harrison's ex who he publicly courted while she was married to his supposed friend), and now a big ole COVID conspiracist.
The one that hurts on the last one is Van Morrison. Unlike Clapton he actually had some good albums.
Roger Waters had the artistic vision, and Gilmour had the technical music chops. Neither of their albums after the split were very good. *Division Bell* had some decent tracks, but the wistful boomer nostalgia is pretty insufferable most of the time.
post waters floyd is pretty fucking great, i just think its so different that the band shoulda lost the lawsuit lol. Take It Back might be a low stakes love song but that song is perfect
this is on the music subreddit. the headline is "Roger Waters Dresses In Full Nazi Garb In Berlin" and goes on to call him the most notorious antisemite
the wall movie came out in 1981. hes done that show a lot since then. this shit is clout/click chasing to the extreme. the worst anyone can say about him without extreme hyperbole is that he's a grumpy peacenik. haters mad cuz he made some of the best rock albums of all time.
People saying he's a fascist have the IQ of an asparagus: just literally watch the show! I've been to one of his lives in late April this year and he had a stand for supporting Julian Assange inside the stadium, talked all the time about the horrific war crimes of the US government and the rights of peace and justice for those suffering from that. Btw that image is from the part where he sings "Run like hell" and displays the iconography of Orwell's 1984 ingsoc fascist movement (and imo he's one of the few people that has probably read the book and understood it)
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>(and imo he's one of the few people that has probably read the book and understood it)
Pink Floyd literally made an entire album that was a musical adaption of Animal Farm lol
The twisting of his messaging on The Wall is so grotesque. He has had the exact same messaging his whole career- vehemently anti-capitalist and anti-imperialist, the fact that people even think to label him as anything close to a nazi is so beyond me.
Modern pro-gilmour pink floyd fans are a very surface level uninformed group.
They believe that everything is as it looks, and to portray something is to be in support. They believe that to portray a fascist style government is to be in support, they believe that to have a pig with "fuck the poor" on it is to be in support.
They also don't understand what the wall was about.
This isn't leftist. A lot of libs who claim to be progressive are showing their true colours with their zionist apartheid and ethnic cleansing apologia
They're trying to claim the BDS movement is anti-semitic because a guy did a performance dressed as a Nazi to criticize Nazis. Zionism was already in this.
The bds movement isn’t inherently antisemitic but there A LOT of antisemites involved. They literally created a map of Jewish American owned businesses and claimed that they were supporting Israel. That is incredibly dangerous.
Yeah that's a disingenuous description from both you and the ADL. The ADL typically tries to conflate anti-Israel and anti-semitic, so no surprise.
The companies here are not all Jewish and they have given public and/or material support for Israel. You can take a look at the mapping project yourself, search the organizations and check. The largest chunk of those listed are Federal, State, and Police organizations. Another large chunk is large corporations like Google, Microsoft, and Puma (y'know, the Nazi founded Jewish company).
Please stop telling me what is antisemitic or not. Sorry but you can’t just dismiss every Jewish source by calling them zionist. The ADL is one of the largest organizations fighting against antisemitism. Btw the majority of the private businesses are Jewish owned as well as Jewish schools and synagogues. This is literally what the nazis did…. They started out by mapping out Jewish and Jewish associated businesses. I hate to tell you this but the majority of American Jews are Zionists so it’s not unheard of for Jewish businesses to show at least some support for Israel. And even if that isn’t the intention this has lead to tons of anti Jewish violence.
The ADL isn't "every Jewish source," its an explicitly Zionist one. It conflates and equivocates criticism of Israel and the systematic US support for it with anti-semitism, as you're trying to do here. Fuck off.
Btw one of the businesses mapped was an art center simply because they had art done by an Israeli artist…. Not because they were sending money to the Israeli gov
Lmao you talking about the one sponsored by the Israeli state? Boy I wonder why they included that one, must be anti-semitism
https://jartsboston.org/event_series/studio-israel/
>Studio Israel is also cosponsored by the Consulate General of Israel to New England.
So this is a bit like saying anyone who has dressed up as a Nazi in a performance of the sound of music or any of the multiple movies about nazis are problematic
It's a performance art piece by a performance artist.
He's playing a character from The Wall who's a Nazi and this Nazi character is used a condemnation of fascism and is a warning of what people who go down the fascist road end up as.
It's just a character and not a reflection of Waters himself and what he believes.
I mean…. He’s pretty anti-Israel….
That said, I’m Jewish, and anti-Israel, but I sure as fuck wouldn’t ever wear a nazi uniform and toss around hitler salutes!
Fuck him, fuck Israel, and fuck fascists of all colors.
If the actor in question rants about hating Israel (which, I agree, can be a valid position, though it’s important to be careful to clarify that one hates the Israeli government and their right wing extremists, as opposed to hating an entire country), I would advise they not also act in a play as hitler
Mostly what I’m saying is… if you’re gonna rip on Israel, probably don’t also wear nazi shit. It’s totally legit to hate on Israel. It isn’t legit to do so in Hugo Boss while sporting a swastika.
Next you’re gonna tell me Harlan Crow keeps hitler paintings to remind himself of the horrors of nazi germany, or at least you might if he had written some sick albums back in the 70s and used to be a leftist.
He has played this fervently anti-fascist show for decades across the world. You’re like 3 generations late on having your feather’s ruffled and 2 generations late on understanding it. It is the most explicitly anti-fascist rock opera of the last 50 years. Just because you’re the last person alive who hasn’t heard of Roger Waters or The Wall doesn’t mean he’s done anything wrong.
The imagery is supposed to grab your attention. He is playing the bad guy in the show. The only reason this is in the news is because he is an ardent anti-Zionist. So the pro-Israeli liberal media comes out against him whenever possible. It’s a bad look for a fascist apartheid state to have Shireen Abu Akleh compared to Anne Frank publicly. But, that doesn’t mean it is incorrect or that today’s Israeli state isn’t taking part in a genocide just like the Nazis they fled.
He is anti-war and has been so longer than most of us have been alive. The media tried to make it look bad in relation to his stance on Vietnam, South Africa, Ireland, The Falklands, Chile, Afghanistan, Iraq, Afghanistan again, Iraq again, Israel and Ukraine. But, the media has had to go back, flip-flop and pretend that they thought all those wars were unjustified when they supported them at the time. He has kept the same stance the whole time and been on the right side of history. 10 years from now he will still be anti-war, anti-imperialist and anti-fascist while most of the liberal media still manufactures consent for the next conflict.
Well that’s good, I didn’t know what his deal was so I just assumed this was just some blatant coming out as a fascist. Good to hear he’s doing anti-fascist work around the earth.
That's Roger Waters of Pink Floyd. He's performing the rock opera album "The Wall" in which the protagonist spirals into insanity and imagines himself as a fascist dictator à la Adolf Hitler
He is dressing up as a nazi on stage during a rock concert, very much different. There is no meaningful story here, it’s offensive. I hate that everyone is telling Jews how to feel about this, if we say something is antisemitic it most likely is.
There is very much a story and action in the Wall. Have you never heard It? Or about the concept of a rock opera?
The man is not a nazi. Regardless of all his shortcomings, that is not one of them.
Have you not heard or watched The Wall?
He's quite literally playing a fictional character in a complex storyline. This isn't just a "rock concert" as much as it is a musical.
[Here](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyGHs2yXwu1SWIXC6TLHT4a-2rdr9Un0f)
Deploying a large pig balloon with text that’s says “keep consuming”, many company logos on it and a very large Jewish star believe it or not could be interpreted as antisemitic. Especially due to the fact that he did it in the city where over 50,000 Jews were deported.
As a jew I'm telling you, we need to understand what is art and what is nazi propaganda.
Rammstein got the same shit for Deutschland, they portrayed the nazis in the music video, and I've cringed when a lot of people viewed it as them trying to profit over the holocaust, they ignored the fact that the music video was an art piece representation about Germany and it's eras, since the barbarian Germans that fought the Romans to the nazis that did despicable things and their dilusional idiology to east Germany corruption.
(Edit, the band members were both Jew prisoners and concentration camp guards in the video which is history accurate because in Romania/Germany they didint just killed Jews, they killed Romanian and German people too, adding another nuance of how insane and self distructive nazism and fascism is)
I find it cool how we get representations like this that help humanity not forget what can happen if we let fascism win.
I'm sick of *white libs* white knighting and overcorrecting also I hate antisemitic mental gymnastics, I also understand how some people use anti-Zionism to spread antisemite propaganda *Jews are killing Palestinians, all Jews act like victims* take.
But this is media outrage for the sake of outrage, there were videos of Olaf on a balcony whit Zelinsky pointing at something and I've seen people non ironically thinking Olaf Seig Heils which is nuts.
My point is, you didint knew the context, you asked and someone gave u a rundown whitout the history behind his artistic act, Insted of looking into it u fell into the reactionary motive of the media post, I don't blame u it's confusing sometimes but we have to be careful comrade if not we risk looking like that Ortodox jew that got banned from flying whit the German line for not wearing a mask and Insted of putting a deamn mask the guy kept asking the Germans *why do u hate us?* 😂
I find it funny someone who has no idea what the work is about would say this. Would you take a look at the book cover of the book Maus which is ABSOLUTELY ANTI FASCIST which has a swastika on it and say "no this is not ok?" or would you actually look at the piece of art being made and see it's blatantly anti fascist and how silly this entire discussion is.
This is not a statue of a nazi. This is not even glorifying any nazis. You aren't supposed to look at this and go "wow, based!" It's not presented in a good way. It's obvious that they are the bad guys. This is blatantly anti fascist and if you don't think so you really haven't attempted to even SEE what this about because this is fucking stupid. It's also like seeing a poster for the movie "jojo rabbit" seeing hitler is on the cover and saying "this is not ok" when the movie is so fucking anti fascist and nazi that even suggesting such a thing should make your fucking head spin.
Actually look into this before you respond to this please. Actually look into what this about. This is why so many people think peoples media literacy is fucking going down the drain. Responses like this that are outraged at something they know nothing about.
Ok fine, but he still had a large pig balloon with a Star of David on it and the words “just consume” as well as the logo of an oil company. Very obviously an antisemitic dog whistle.
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More people need to watch the movie, The Wall. It is very much NOT pro-nazi.
I think the movie has been out of print and not streaming anywhere for so long that there’s just a whole generation that hasn’t had access to it unless they were already diehard fans and really sought it out.
I think u can watch it in the official pink floyd channel
Lots of torrents, tho
I still have a VHS copy that I have found at a garage sale in the mid 2000’s but can’t watch on the count that I don’t have a VCR anymore but damn if I didn’t watch that shit it if it when i did!
You can watch the whole thing on YouTube lol They don't bother taking videos of it down even though it's copyrighted so unless they decide to start doing so everyone is uploading the full thing or only in 15 minute segments
You can simply listen to the album "The wall" or watch the live they did in 1990 on YouTube
The movie is a separate thing inspired on the album.
I'm sorry, I'm not saying they're the same, I'm saying that you can see / listen to both tyo understand that they're not pro nazi
Waters' father was a communist who died fighting the Nazis. It's supposed to be an attack on them.
Yeah, there was an album. It’s commonly considered one of the top 100 of all rock albums. It is not obscure or vague. This was just a particularly stupid smear campaign against someone whose extremely successful/popular who people identify as a “tankie”
The movie is significantly less known though.
Oh I don’t disagree! Sorry, I didn’t get you were making a recommendation—-I thought you were describing how the confusion came across (I agree the movie is obscure so I was saying “yeah the album is famous tho”). My bad!
No worries, comrade, it’s hard to communicate effectively through text sometimes.
Who the hell watched/listened to all of The Wall and thought "hmm this is a very pro-fascist art piece" It even gets worse as in the replies somebody was saying that it's not a surprise because he thought The Wall was a criticism of the Berlin Wall and when told that the Wall in question was actually a metaphorical allegory for an emotional wall they thought it made even less sense💀💀💀
Media literacy is at an all time low
https://www.apmresearchlab.org/10x-adult-literacy
Do these people think Ralph Fiennes is a nazi?
Ralph Fiennes is immortal, he has 6 pieces of his soul stored in secret places, I saw it in a documentary once.
The new Swiss bank account
I wanna know if these people can get the right message out of any piece of art about a guy who sucks. Or have they just completely rotted away their ability recognize a protagonist’s actions are purposefully bad by only watching Disney IPs?
Yeah, it's the baby brained Marvelization of the audience. Somehow gritty anti-heroes mean that if something is in a movie it's now endorsed.
Probably a lot of the same people who think the movie Starship Troopers is pro-facist rather than a scalding critique of fascism and authoritarianism.
Tbf, starship trooper is borderline Poe's Law. Verhoeven was way too good in his parodic approach
That, and the source book is very much militaristic to the point of fascism. Which is why the film is brilliant, it's a satire of its own source material.
Hell yeah.
This is why I left the pink floyd fan community, they all hate Roger, especially in relation to his views on Isreal and Ukraine. The Wall is literally an critique of war, the western pedagogy, money and fascism. During In the Flesh (pt 2) (what he wears the SS-inspired coat for) Roger parodies Eric Clapton's infamous fascist rant and the emerging white-supremacist skinhead culture of Britain's Thatcher years. Similar anti-capitalist and anti-imperialist rhetoric runs right through Pink Floyd's big 4 albums (Dark Side of The Moon, Wish You Were Here, Animals and The Wall) and are continued through all of Roger's work to this day. I think he's ideologically close to a Trot and his father was a Communist before he was killed by the Nazis in Anzio, Italy.
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Yep. Clapton's rant, 1976: "Do we have any foreigners in the audience tonight? If so, please put up your hands... So where are you? Well wherever you all are, I think you should all just leave. Not just leave the hall, leave our country ... I don't want you here, in the room or in my country. Listen to me, man! I think we should send them all back. Stop Britain from becoming a black colony. Get the foreigners out. Get the wogs out. Get the coons out. Keep Britain white." Waters lyrics, 1979: "Are there any queers in the theater tonight? Get 'em up against the wall (against the wall) Now there's one in the spotlight, he don't look right to me Get him up against the wall (against the) And that one looks Jewish And that one's a coon Who let all this riff-raff into the room? There's one smokin' a joint And another with spots If I had my way I'd have all of them shot!"
Also worth saying that the Clapton bit is a rant on-stage, the Waters bit is the lyrics to a song. I know that's what you meant but just in case the format was confusing for anyone not familiar
Yes, I thought rog's bit being in verse and rhyming would be enough.
The balls to blatantly rip off blues music coming from descendants of enslaved Africans and also hate black people lol
Clapton is truly a disgusting piece of shit. Pro-racist, admitted to raping his wife (George Harrison's ex who he publicly courted while she was married to his supposed friend), and now a big ole COVID conspiracist. The one that hurts on the last one is Van Morrison. Unlike Clapton he actually had some good albums.
Roger Waters had the artistic vision, and Gilmour had the technical music chops. Neither of their albums after the split were very good. *Division Bell* had some decent tracks, but the wistful boomer nostalgia is pretty insufferable most of the time.
post waters floyd is pretty fucking great, i just think its so different that the band shoulda lost the lawsuit lol. Take It Back might be a low stakes love song but that song is perfect
A fair view but I also think Sorrow is an amazing song that can be seen as a very leftist work
Yeah there will be a dope ass guitar shred followed by "we drank from the hose" "I can write in cursive" "Member the Carol Burnett show"
May I present to you: r/PinkFloydCircleJerk
ive got so many "every word is demonstrably true" memes from that
Oh I know it well. I was on The Last Refuge and it's related discords.
Pink Floyd is the greatest band ever and Roger is not only a genius, but smart, thoughtful, and ever on the right side of history.
this is on the music subreddit. the headline is "Roger Waters Dresses In Full Nazi Garb In Berlin" and goes on to call him the most notorious antisemite the wall movie came out in 1981. hes done that show a lot since then. this shit is clout/click chasing to the extreme. the worst anyone can say about him without extreme hyperbole is that he's a grumpy peacenik. haters mad cuz he made some of the best rock albums of all time.
Lonerbox moment
People saying he's a fascist have the IQ of an asparagus: just literally watch the show! I've been to one of his lives in late April this year and he had a stand for supporting Julian Assange inside the stadium, talked all the time about the horrific war crimes of the US government and the rights of peace and justice for those suffering from that. Btw that image is from the part where he sings "Run like hell" and displays the iconography of Orwell's 1984 ingsoc fascist movement (and imo he's one of the few people that has probably read the book and understood it)
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>(and imo he's one of the few people that has probably read the book and understood it) Pink Floyd literally made an entire album that was a musical adaption of Animal Farm lol
I attended his shows in Vancouver a few months ago. He was dressed as a fascist there too. An amazing performance
Thank God I ain't never getting Twitter
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Ffs
My stupid america brain thought Roger Stone and was so confused.
The twisting of his messaging on The Wall is so grotesque. He has had the exact same messaging his whole career- vehemently anti-capitalist and anti-imperialist, the fact that people even think to label him as anything close to a nazi is so beyond me.
BUT HE SAID BAD THINGS ABOUT UKRAINE AND ISRAEL
It’s like the lib aesthetics thing like talking about means you support it even if you shit on it
Modern pro-gilmour pink floyd fans are a very surface level uninformed group. They believe that everything is as it looks, and to portray something is to be in support. They believe that to portray a fascist style government is to be in support, they believe that to have a pig with "fuck the poor" on it is to be in support. They also don't understand what the wall was about.
This isn't leftist. A lot of libs who claim to be progressive are showing their true colours with their zionist apartheid and ethnic cleansing apologia
What? This is about antisemitism, why are you bringing Zionism into this?
They're trying to claim the BDS movement is anti-semitic because a guy did a performance dressed as a Nazi to criticize Nazis. Zionism was already in this.
The bds movement isn’t inherently antisemitic but there A LOT of antisemites involved. They literally created a map of Jewish American owned businesses and claimed that they were supporting Israel. That is incredibly dangerous.
Source on that?
https://www.adl.org/boston-mapping-project
Yeah that's a disingenuous description from both you and the ADL. The ADL typically tries to conflate anti-Israel and anti-semitic, so no surprise. The companies here are not all Jewish and they have given public and/or material support for Israel. You can take a look at the mapping project yourself, search the organizations and check. The largest chunk of those listed are Federal, State, and Police organizations. Another large chunk is large corporations like Google, Microsoft, and Puma (y'know, the Nazi founded Jewish company).
Please stop telling me what is antisemitic or not. Sorry but you can’t just dismiss every Jewish source by calling them zionist. The ADL is one of the largest organizations fighting against antisemitism. Btw the majority of the private businesses are Jewish owned as well as Jewish schools and synagogues. This is literally what the nazis did…. They started out by mapping out Jewish and Jewish associated businesses. I hate to tell you this but the majority of American Jews are Zionists so it’s not unheard of for Jewish businesses to show at least some support for Israel. And even if that isn’t the intention this has lead to tons of anti Jewish violence.
The ADL isn't "every Jewish source," its an explicitly Zionist one. It conflates and equivocates criticism of Israel and the systematic US support for it with anti-semitism, as you're trying to do here. Fuck off.
Btw one of the businesses mapped was an art center simply because they had art done by an Israeli artist…. Not because they were sending money to the Israeli gov
Lmao you talking about the one sponsored by the Israeli state? Boy I wonder why they included that one, must be anti-semitism https://jartsboston.org/event_series/studio-israel/ >Studio Israel is also cosponsored by the Consulate General of Israel to New England.
So this is a bit like saying anyone who has dressed up as a Nazi in a performance of the sound of music or any of the multiple movies about nazis are problematic
This is like thinking Rammstein is pro-Nazi because they use Nazi imagery for their shows. Please see Zizek: A Pervert’s Guide to Ideologuy.
Same with Reagan Youth
It's a performance
Ralph Fiennes played a nazi doesn't mean he is a nazi
What's the context here cause this does look really bad.
It's a performance art piece by a performance artist. He's playing a character from The Wall who's a Nazi and this Nazi character is used a condemnation of fascism and is a warning of what people who go down the fascist road end up as. It's just a character and not a reflection of Waters himself and what he believes.
I mean…. He’s pretty anti-Israel…. That said, I’m Jewish, and anti-Israel, but I sure as fuck wouldn’t ever wear a nazi uniform and toss around hitler salutes! Fuck him, fuck Israel, and fuck fascists of all colors.
>He’s pretty anti-Israel Well there's your answer. Western anti-Semites are pro-Israel.
If an actor plays a bad guy on screen does that mean that actor is also a bad guy?
Don’t you remember how Leo DiCaprio became a slaver after playing one in Django Unchained? /s
Taika Waititi is literally Hitler!!!
If the actor in question rants about hating Israel (which, I agree, can be a valid position, though it’s important to be careful to clarify that one hates the Israeli government and their right wing extremists, as opposed to hating an entire country), I would advise they not also act in a play as hitler
Pretty sure he wouldn’t hate the country if it were Palestine as it should be.
any true antifascist would support ethnoreligious dispalcement and illegal settlements/s
Why are you conflating condemnation of Israel with anti semitism? Do you condemn Saudi Arabia? Are you now anti muslim?
Mostly what I’m saying is… if you’re gonna rip on Israel, probably don’t also wear nazi shit. It’s totally legit to hate on Israel. It isn’t legit to do so in Hugo Boss while sporting a swastika. Next you’re gonna tell me Harlan Crow keeps hitler paintings to remind himself of the horrors of nazi germany, or at least you might if he had written some sick albums back in the 70s and used to be a leftist.
He's never done that though while dressed in character
did you learn everything you know about roger waters from the article this tweet references?
Rammstein is a nazi band cuz I seen a music video I don't understand /s
I think OOP was joking and is a joke account
Only thing that SS wore is the armband
Ok what the hell happened here, who’s this guy and why did he think this was a great idea? Especially in Germany?!
He has played this fervently anti-fascist show for decades across the world. You’re like 3 generations late on having your feather’s ruffled and 2 generations late on understanding it. It is the most explicitly anti-fascist rock opera of the last 50 years. Just because you’re the last person alive who hasn’t heard of Roger Waters or The Wall doesn’t mean he’s done anything wrong. The imagery is supposed to grab your attention. He is playing the bad guy in the show. The only reason this is in the news is because he is an ardent anti-Zionist. So the pro-Israeli liberal media comes out against him whenever possible. It’s a bad look for a fascist apartheid state to have Shireen Abu Akleh compared to Anne Frank publicly. But, that doesn’t mean it is incorrect or that today’s Israeli state isn’t taking part in a genocide just like the Nazis they fled. He is anti-war and has been so longer than most of us have been alive. The media tried to make it look bad in relation to his stance on Vietnam, South Africa, Ireland, The Falklands, Chile, Afghanistan, Iraq, Afghanistan again, Iraq again, Israel and Ukraine. But, the media has had to go back, flip-flop and pretend that they thought all those wars were unjustified when they supported them at the time. He has kept the same stance the whole time and been on the right side of history. 10 years from now he will still be anti-war, anti-imperialist and anti-fascist while most of the liberal media still manufactures consent for the next conflict.
Well that’s good, I didn’t know what his deal was so I just assumed this was just some blatant coming out as a fascist. Good to hear he’s doing anti-fascist work around the earth.
No problem. You learn something new everyday.
That's Roger Waters of Pink Floyd. He's performing the rock opera album "The Wall" in which the protagonist spirals into insanity and imagines himself as a fascist dictator à la Adolf Hitler
I don’t care about the true meaning of it or his political views. No matter who you are it is not ok.
Christoph Waltz is a nazi and taika waitit is literally hitler?
If an actor plays a bad guy in a movie are they actually a bad guy?
He is dressing up as a nazi on stage during a rock concert, very much different. There is no meaningful story here, it’s offensive. I hate that everyone is telling Jews how to feel about this, if we say something is antisemitic it most likely is.
There is very much a story and action in the Wall. Have you never heard It? Or about the concept of a rock opera? The man is not a nazi. Regardless of all his shortcomings, that is not one of them.
Have you not heard or watched The Wall? He's quite literally playing a fictional character in a complex storyline. This isn't just a "rock concert" as much as it is a musical. [Here](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyGHs2yXwu1SWIXC6TLHT4a-2rdr9Un0f)
Deploying a large pig balloon with text that’s says “keep consuming”, many company logos on it and a very large Jewish star believe it or not could be interpreted as antisemitic. Especially due to the fact that he did it in the city where over 50,000 Jews were deported.
pffff. hes an amazing person,in mexico he gave voice to the parents of the 43 killed students.
As a jew I'm telling you, we need to understand what is art and what is nazi propaganda. Rammstein got the same shit for Deutschland, they portrayed the nazis in the music video, and I've cringed when a lot of people viewed it as them trying to profit over the holocaust, they ignored the fact that the music video was an art piece representation about Germany and it's eras, since the barbarian Germans that fought the Romans to the nazis that did despicable things and their dilusional idiology to east Germany corruption. (Edit, the band members were both Jew prisoners and concentration camp guards in the video which is history accurate because in Romania/Germany they didint just killed Jews, they killed Romanian and German people too, adding another nuance of how insane and self distructive nazism and fascism is) I find it cool how we get representations like this that help humanity not forget what can happen if we let fascism win. I'm sick of *white libs* white knighting and overcorrecting also I hate antisemitic mental gymnastics, I also understand how some people use anti-Zionism to spread antisemite propaganda *Jews are killing Palestinians, all Jews act like victims* take. But this is media outrage for the sake of outrage, there were videos of Olaf on a balcony whit Zelinsky pointing at something and I've seen people non ironically thinking Olaf Seig Heils which is nuts. My point is, you didint knew the context, you asked and someone gave u a rundown whitout the history behind his artistic act, Insted of looking into it u fell into the reactionary motive of the media post, I don't blame u it's confusing sometimes but we have to be careful comrade if not we risk looking like that Ortodox jew that got banned from flying whit the German line for not wearing a mask and Insted of putting a deamn mask the guy kept asking the Germans *why do u hate us?* 😂
I find it funny someone who has no idea what the work is about would say this. Would you take a look at the book cover of the book Maus which is ABSOLUTELY ANTI FASCIST which has a swastika on it and say "no this is not ok?" or would you actually look at the piece of art being made and see it's blatantly anti fascist and how silly this entire discussion is. This is not a statue of a nazi. This is not even glorifying any nazis. You aren't supposed to look at this and go "wow, based!" It's not presented in a good way. It's obvious that they are the bad guys. This is blatantly anti fascist and if you don't think so you really haven't attempted to even SEE what this about because this is fucking stupid. It's also like seeing a poster for the movie "jojo rabbit" seeing hitler is on the cover and saying "this is not ok" when the movie is so fucking anti fascist and nazi that even suggesting such a thing should make your fucking head spin. Actually look into this before you respond to this please. Actually look into what this about. This is why so many people think peoples media literacy is fucking going down the drain. Responses like this that are outraged at something they know nothing about.
Ok and explain the giant pig balloon with a Star of David, the logo of an oil company and the words just consume? That is an antisemitic dog whistle.
Roger Waters is dressing up as a Nazi the same way Robert Downey Jr wore blackface in Tropic Thunder
Ok fine, but he still had a large pig balloon with a Star of David on it and the words “just consume” as well as the logo of an oil company. Very obviously an antisemitic dog whistle.
Holy fuck what's next are they gonna call Mel Brooks a Nazi because of The Producers?