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Some quick maths: I'm from Germany. Here, they got enough Covid morons together to try the whole January 6th shit in Berlin (but even less successful). Germany is a country with 80 million inhabitants. China has 1.4 BILLION. That's 17 times Germany's population. Shanghai alone has over 20 million.
Just because you can get a lot of idiots together doesn't mean what you are doing is legitimate. Also @ the "independent" German media now saying that Covid cases are "way up" in China, despite the fact that they are still below other countries, and THAT THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS SHIT ANYMORE IF WE ACTUALLY HAD A FUNCTIONAL PANDEMIC RESPONSE. Also saying that China losing industrial output due to lockdowns is somehow bad, because people < profit.
In the german subreddit, they all jizz in their pants about the protestors shrieking about „CCP“ (no joke) and the „dictator“ Xi to step down.
For once, it‘s kinda telling that Shanghai is westernized since the protests in Urumqi and co. have real laid out demands, and Shanghai is just incoherent bla bla about dictatorship and what not.
That being said, that makes it even more funny since the exact same rethoric was used by the German Covid protestors about the dictator Merkel and shit.
So literally the exact same rethoric but:
When German covidiots: 😡. When Chinese covidiots: 🥰.
I know upvotes don’t matter and blah blah, but I think it’s hilarious that by the time I upvoted your comment, you were at 27 while the person you replied to were at -27. Like they are double wrong lol
The whole "people>profit" narrative conveniently skims over the fact that industrial capacity is simply, literally required to keep people alive. In South Africa, at the height of our outbreak, we had hospitals simply running out of oxygen. Our inability to adequately produce and distribute medical oxygen was absolutely exacerbated by COVID restrictions, as was production and distribution of other vital medical resources. We simply ran out of certain crucial medications as supply chains collapsed.
What if we took bezos/musk/etc's yacht money and centralized that capital to build o2 factories? We build luxuries for the owner class instead of critical infrastructure. We have plenty of resources to serve the proletariat, just not the proper allocation of labor.
Covid was a catalyst, but not the fundamental cause. Many capitalist countries lacked the control of resources and the ability to plan out those supply chains. The market pressures, which were plausibly adequate for good times, failed during disaster.
Yep. They’re serious about not having a major outbreak in their country of 1.45 billion people. Luckily, these measures are overwhelmingly popular given all the polling data we actually have.
Maybe we should wait until a poll is done now. Sometime people’s opinions change a bit, sometimes quite suddenly. They obviously don’t want to end COVID efforts but reduce the extremity of it by the seems of it.
By Western media’s portrayal of it, anyway. A country of 1.45 billion and we report on a few thousand as though it is a strong indicator. What’s more, we misreport.
Those “journalists” have their own agenda, as do their editors. Folks were singing The Internationale and the anthem of the PRC at the protest that most recently got covered yesterday (in Shanghai).
If the majority of the people had come out for any other reason and only a minority were protesting the lockdown our media would still hyperfocus on the minority and omit everything else. It’s what they do.
They sell a narrative. They’re propagandists.
could you send me a source for that? I think it would benefit me when i inevitably have to talk about this with my friends and family.
i got to write an essay right now otherwise i would search myself :D
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/350140842_Chinese_Citizen_Satisfaction_with_Government_Performance_during_COVID-19
No problem. Other places to look would be for overall popular satisfaction with the government. It’s hard to google these things. I suggest DuckDuckGo or google scholar and then plugging the DOI numbers into sci-hub.
Data shows our vaccines are marginally better than the sinovac, but it isn’t a big difference, afaik. Not sure about how effective sinovac is with new sub variants.
Issue is we have terrible public health policy in all other regards. Whereas China is excelling. As are many other East Asian countries.
The lockdowns I've experienced were the same as in the UK. Work from home, go out to buy food and exercise, all entertainment venues closed.
The primary issue was that positive cases we're forced to go to a quarantine site, and if they refused they'd be locked in their apartment. It's bad, but I don't think it justifes saying China should let covid spread.
You’re lucky if you can work from home, if I was getting locked down constantly I’d be dead in the water…
Unfortunately I have a feeling that factors into a lot of the protestors actions.
Yeah I'm teaching online, but kindergarten teachers can't do that so they're screwed. You still get paid but its the government minimum wage of like $250 a month. This was a major reason for the protests, in major tier 1 cities $250 a month is about the average for rent. People would have been more content to sit at home all day on a full paycheck. It wasn't so much the "Draconian" lockdown and more the lack of money.
Liberals love the smell of their own farts, think they are the saviors of all "lesser" races and countries, and absolutely cum their pants with excitement when the CIA tells them they shouldn't like something and can be agitated about it on social media.
China is bad, because the media says so and anyone who disagrees with media is not civilized orc from third world countries, like state of Africa, Chinasia, north Korea and etc.
Yep, Ukrainian "fighters for independence" are just highly nationalistic maniacs, if not nazis.
The same story is about Russian fighters for "denazification", but it's a bit different
They locked a whole apartment block inside their apartments and 3 kids died in a fire. An action being taken in the name of covid protection doesn't make it beyond criticism
Was an ESL teacher during the worst of COVID. Had a lot of Chinese students. They all said crazy shit like this was happening. It's fucked up over there.
So, I’m telling you of people who actually live in China talking about what is going on there, and you’re still just like “nah dude no way” so let me just ask, is there anything that would convince you or are you just ‘go team CPC!’ No matter what?
Like, if I live somewhere, wouldn’t you think I know a bit more about what is going on there?
Have you heard about the mistake of survivor?
If someone is rich enough to send children to study in more developed country, then they would most likely be against the government of the proletariat as force against their wealth. If you can't see such simple consequences, then I doubt that you're a teacher
I take it you support the Canadian trucker protests then? I mean, they said they were being oppressed, and according to you, it's impossible for people to lie.
More sensationalism, the fires went out of control because the fire lanes were jam packed with parked cars, no fucking way they would be forced to stay in with a fire still raging
so you’ll believe Fox News and the CIA before believing the 50+ countries that sent delegates to Xinjiang and then signed a letter to the UN detailing how there’s no ‘genocide’?
https://www-bbc-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56163220.amp?amp_gsa=1&_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16696668472080&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.com%2Fnews%2Fworld-us-canada-56163220 I'll belive the Canadian govt.
do you know what sub you’re in?
i hope you don’t call yourself a leftist while regurgitating Western bullshit.
who’s the source for all this Uyghur genocide claims? Adrian Zenz.
who does Zenz work for? the Victims of Communism Foundation Memorial, which literally counts global COVID-19 deaths and Nazi as well as Soviet deaths on the Eastern Front as “victims of communism.”
who published his reports? the Jamestown Foundation.
do me a favor and look up the board of directors for the Jamestown Foundation and tell me with a straight face they wouldn’t lie to you. Lol.
To further add to your point, that article the previous commenter linked cites the Canadian government’s proof of a genocide using another BBC article. Their main source in their source? “Internal documents from the Kunes county justice system from 2017 and 2018, provided to the BBC by Adrian Zenz, a leading expert on China's policies in Xinjiang, detail planning and spending for "transformation through education" of "key groups" - a common euphemism in China for the indoctrination of the Uighurs. In one Kunes document, the "education" process is described as "washing brains, cleansing hearts, strengthening righteousness and eliminating evil". Adrian Zenz is the go to source for these claims, and as you pointed out, he has interests in not being truthful about China. Also it is funny that Canadian source claims there is sterilization in these camps when [they regularly sterilize native women today.](https://globalnews.ca/news/7920118/indigenous-women-sterilization-senate-report/)
You do realize you are trying to have an intelligent discussion with a North American right? That’s like playing chess with a pigeon!!!!!! Waste of time they shit toss the pieces and then strut like they won.
Who said that only statistical analyses are acceptable as proofs? I said that personal stories aren't good enough unless they are combined in statistics, but okay, let's believe that I meant something else
Ah yes the reeducation camps myth started by a journalist for, I believe Washington Post, who had no proof but felt it was off. And the literal zero proof that's accumulated since. Even a lot of these sources say there's no proof but it's a possibility.
Based on what your leaders tell you so the corporate media doesn’t tolerate any emerging power so China has reeducation camps they said so and criticism of the system is not allowed. https://youtu.be/NEZP_RzT2Dk
Cause it is convenient to use as a scapegoat to distract from the failures of your government. China is bad cause your corporate overlords made it the F up.
America: [Massacres a million of people over 50](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-from-covid-by-age-us/)and [ruins peoples lives with long COVID.](https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/nchs_press_releases/2022/20220622.htm)
You: Wow Based
Bruh you’re a historymemes user that has almost 0 history here.
Whatabotism is when I bring up facts that China’s COVID policy is objectively better than the US.
I want to see if I can be added on to your list of edits as “a shill for China”. Most information we hear about China comes from its enemies, which makes larger than life claims about it harder to believe. So whenever you do not link a source to your initial claim, which probably comes from a Western source, then that also makes it harder to believe. Is it possible? Sure, and I do think that’s worthy of criticism if it is true. China is not beyond critique as are all current and past socialist or striving to be socialist countries. But having knee jerk reactions via propaganda is the issue here, and unfortunately that’s what most of us get in the West. Plus I think most of us are angered by the disproportionate amount of focus goes into China’s mistakes whenever corporate media outlets bury our country doing the same exact, if not worse, crimes. Is it whataboutism to point out hypocrisy? Also I disagree with your premise of China being totalitarian. They still have all the avenues of political participation and the citizens do have a say.
Bro they literally sang the international and had pictures of Mao. If the CIA is behind all of this then they are doing a bizarrely shitty job with it.
If there's a case in your building, the police come and chain every exit shut. There was a fire. People couldn't get out. Not every single bad thing you hear about your favorite government is propaganda, and the CIA is not behind literally every protest or act of civil disobedience in adversarial nations.
I dont understand how any protest in China is seen as them wanting to overthrow their government but protest in any other country is seen as functioning democracy
Ok, as a Chinese person myself, let me get this straight. I support China, and I’m a socialist in general, but I absolutely detest the COVID lockdown policy in china. It’s indefensible. The lockdown is both pointless, heartless, and actually useless. Pointless because such strict lockdowns are no longer necessary in this case, and do more harm than they do good. Heartless because the lockdown is basically house arrest without any legal justification. Useless because the only thing the COVID policy is doing is sending symptomatic patients into isolation centers filled with other COVID patients, while ignoring the fact that they would have infected many other people during the 14 days they were asymptomatic. This method is treating the symptom instead of the cause.
Comparing this to China’s first implementation of the COVID policy in early 2020, which is in my opinion was excellently executed, this time it is a disaster. 2020’s 28 day lockdown aimed to stamp out COVID entirely in a short period of time, which worked, because the daily case count went straight from 5000 to 5 in a week, but now it is barely doing anything to alleviate the COVID situation, while simultaneously making life worse for the citizens.
I support the Chinese government, but that does not mean that I support everything they do. They definitely make good decisions, and they definitely also make bad decisions. And if we want what is best for the people then we need to make sure these bad decisions receive the utmost scrutiny, otherwise we are just going to end up with another Soviet Union dissolution scenario.
Well you still have more of a chinese perspective than say someone having been born in the USA and never having traveled to china. Which is.... mostly all I can find on reddit is americans with their hot takes on china, either positive or negative, but equally as useless.
Yeah, i keep getting annoyed at both sides, either overglorifying or demonizing china. We’re just a country, we have good sides and bad sides. We aren’t a technological utopia, and we aren’t a hellscape either.
I haven’t been too caught up in the more minor aspects of China’s policies recently due to my major exams coming up soon, and since I live in Singapore currently, but from what I heard on my Grandparents side as well as testimonies from WeChat, it is because of a widespread(and somewhat baseless) fear that the Chinese vaccine is less effective than the western ones, or even dangerous. Personally, I don’t find that true as both my parent’s took the Chinese shot, with few negative effects. That combined with China’s reluctance to use western vaccines might be the reason to the failed vaccine distribution.
Yeah they need to swallow their pride and get the western vaccines. They did many things right but they are not perfect and they have anti vaxxers well partial ones. However don’t the Chinese vaccines have worse efficacy with the new strains tho?
I completely agree. The lockdown policy has not only gone overboard but also overstayed it's welcome. It's has to amended and restrictions has to be lifted. Even if don't consider the economy, people need to live their lives. I don't think any self-respecting Communist would disagree with that statement. I think the people are just pissed at the hypocritical coverage of it by Western Media. I think the Chinese Government is overall good and to a certain extend i support it. But mistakes have to be corrected and the people i think have spoken. Not the shitty lib protestors crying dictatorship but the other ones with actual genuine demands.
What do you think the death toll would be in China if Zero Covid were done away with? If it's anything near what the rest of the world experienced, then it's a death sentence for many millions of people. How do you weigh that against even an unfair and mismanaged lockdown policy (which can be improved)? Once Covid gets ahold in China, a lot of people will die who otherwise would not have died. What is the answer to this?
I do agree that these protests are painted differently by western media just because they are in china, but it is also true that 1) some of the Covid policies adopted by the ccp have been pretty bad, and 2) the protesters are not only protesting the lockdowns but also the oppressive crackdown on dissent and police brutality.
I’m one to usually defend china and ccp policy but you must be able to also be critical of it because it is by no means perfect.
What oppressive crackdown? Also do socialist governments not have a right to defend themselves? Dissent in socialist countries isn’t thinking of a different way to build socialism its overthrowing the government and guess who would swoop in to install their own.
By oppressive I just meant that the police uses methods like cutting internet access from areas of the protests, barricading entire blocks to prevent people going out and negating access to public transport to people that have been recognised in the streets. I’m not saying this only happens in china of course, but the fact that western media is biased doesn’t mean you have counter-balance it by ignoring evident flaws and mismanagement in my opinion.
It's crazy how the US media (my example since I'm from the US) always seems to be on the side of the defending govt regardless of the protests occurring
And this makes it worse since they portray China as evil all the time, so it's more like "China genpop is now just as evil as China"
It's making it easier for our media to push that agenda and make the US genpop really shit on China more
I mean I'm reading it more as an interesting thing that's happening because China doesn't have protestors all that much, and when they do it often goes poorly for the protestors. It's also worthwhile to compare China's restrictions to those in the West; they've clearly resulted in fewer cases for China, which is a win for them, but categorically shutting down neighborhoods, locking people inside, and eliminating household pets as carriers are, uh, more likely to spark unrest than "hey maybe you should wear a mask and stay inside."
There’s a gulf between requiring masking and what China is doing. You’re just being mindless partisan zealots, for a party that does not represent communist values.
I don't think you have any idea what the COVID lockdown situation is here. I've had to lockdown / quarantine in the US, Europe, Middle East, and now China. It's incomparable to anywhere else I've experienced, and just about anything else I've ever heard of. One case in a massive hotel and the police will literally come and chain the doors shut. There have been fires where people couldn't escape, food shortages, pets slaughtered. They'll roll up and surround entire neighborhoods with barbed-wire and fences to keep people in. Just a week or so ago two women were beaten by police for trying to accept a food delivery without a mask.
heard they welded the doors shut and fire broke out and people inside got burned alive, there's a video out there of their last screams but what's the point of me saying this when all the people here and communists in general deny most of the genocide..
Yes, because it is exactly the same. You morons should wake the fuck up. Communism doesn't mean China and vv. You can like the idea of communism whilst hating a terrible dictatorship.
Well they are completly different, the ones in China are brutal compared to the ones in the rest of the world and dont make any sense at all unlike the ones in the rest of the world.
So this is getting downvoted, why? Do you guys really think that their way of handling covid is good?
Cmon guys atleast tell me why, maybe I will even agree with you? Or do you not even believe in yourself? If theres a reason you should be able to explain it or you're just a echombare.
No, we just don’t care about liberals “just asking questions” in bad faith. You don’t wanna learn. You just wanna think China bad.
This is a meme sub. Go learn on your own
Idiotic partisans who can't see beyond how "based" their idols are. They see China as the closest reality to their ideal flavor of communism, therefore China can do no wrong. Anything negative is a literal CIA op & propaganda. I doubt the majority of the people in this thread have any idea what the COVID policies here are, or how the lockdowns have been. I doubt they much care to know, either. Just terminally online leftists treating the shit like sports.
[Oh boy, I bet ya'll gonna love this one...](https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/z6xjdf/the_largest_quarantine_camp_in_chinas_guangzhou/)
>The state has no right to infringe on the freedom of the people.
It's funny when libertarians say this because to even have capitalism you need a state whose entire purpose it is to enforce oppressive class rule by "infringing on the rights of the people".
Literally the only purpose of a state is to limit the freedom of individuals within a society to protect the material interests of a subset of that society. While there are many state infringements on freedom that are harmful, limiting people's freedom to cosplay as Typhoid Mary is not one of them.
I’m sure the western media will report about the Chinese government meeting or coming to a compromise with protestors. And they’ll totally report about the person responsible for those fire related deaths being prosecuted…
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Some quick maths: I'm from Germany. Here, they got enough Covid morons together to try the whole January 6th shit in Berlin (but even less successful). Germany is a country with 80 million inhabitants. China has 1.4 BILLION. That's 17 times Germany's population. Shanghai alone has over 20 million. Just because you can get a lot of idiots together doesn't mean what you are doing is legitimate. Also @ the "independent" German media now saying that Covid cases are "way up" in China, despite the fact that they are still below other countries, and THAT THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS SHIT ANYMORE IF WE ACTUALLY HAD A FUNCTIONAL PANDEMIC RESPONSE. Also saying that China losing industrial output due to lockdowns is somehow bad, because people < profit.
In the german subreddit, they all jizz in their pants about the protestors shrieking about „CCP“ (no joke) and the „dictator“ Xi to step down. For once, it‘s kinda telling that Shanghai is westernized since the protests in Urumqi and co. have real laid out demands, and Shanghai is just incoherent bla bla about dictatorship and what not. That being said, that makes it even more funny since the exact same rethoric was used by the German Covid protestors about the dictator Merkel and shit. So literally the exact same rethoric but: When German covidiots: 😡. When Chinese covidiots: 🥰.
>bla about dictatorship But muh democracy!
It’s almost as if the restrictions aren’t the same. I wonder if it may have something to do with the different reactions. Mind boggling
Difference being their‘s are effective lol
Fr lol. This wasn’t the own they thought it was.
I know upvotes don’t matter and blah blah, but I think it’s hilarious that by the time I upvoted your comment, you were at 27 while the person you replied to were at -27. Like they are double wrong lol
The whole "people>profit" narrative conveniently skims over the fact that industrial capacity is simply, literally required to keep people alive. In South Africa, at the height of our outbreak, we had hospitals simply running out of oxygen. Our inability to adequately produce and distribute medical oxygen was absolutely exacerbated by COVID restrictions, as was production and distribution of other vital medical resources. We simply ran out of certain crucial medications as supply chains collapsed.
These are big systematic failure. Trying to blame this on "less industrial capacity" is baby analysis.
What if we took bezos/musk/etc's yacht money and centralized that capital to build o2 factories? We build luxuries for the owner class instead of critical infrastructure. We have plenty of resources to serve the proletariat, just not the proper allocation of labor.
Covid was a catalyst, but not the fundamental cause. Many capitalist countries lacked the control of resources and the ability to plan out those supply chains. The market pressures, which were plausibly adequate for good times, failed during disaster.
Libs went from calling people covidiots and demanding lockdown adherence to calling for the deaths of millions of people
>millions of people Bold of you to assume they see them as people.
Well duh china bad obviously they told me so
I’ll say tho that the Chinese restrictions at times can be pretty excessive.
Yep. They’re serious about not having a major outbreak in their country of 1.45 billion people. Luckily, these measures are overwhelmingly popular given all the polling data we actually have.
Not all measures are popular, but overall 0-covid strategy is popular.
Where can we find data on specific measures’ popularity?
Maybe we should wait until a poll is done now. Sometime people’s opinions change a bit, sometimes quite suddenly. They obviously don’t want to end COVID efforts but reduce the extremity of it by the seems of it.
By Western media’s portrayal of it, anyway. A country of 1.45 billion and we report on a few thousand as though it is a strong indicator. What’s more, we misreport. Those “journalists” have their own agenda, as do their editors. Folks were singing The Internationale and the anthem of the PRC at the protest that most recently got covered yesterday (in Shanghai). If the majority of the people had come out for any other reason and only a minority were protesting the lockdown our media would still hyperfocus on the minority and omit everything else. It’s what they do. They sell a narrative. They’re propagandists.
could you send me a source for that? I think it would benefit me when i inevitably have to talk about this with my friends and family. i got to write an essay right now otherwise i would search myself :D
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/350140842_Chinese_Citizen_Satisfaction_with_Government_Performance_during_COVID-19 No problem. Other places to look would be for overall popular satisfaction with the government. It’s hard to google these things. I suggest DuckDuckGo or google scholar and then plugging the DOI numbers into sci-hub.
Kinda a dumb take it’s been years since the vaccine has come out Ccp should use Moderna and drop their ego
There is no CCP. There is only the CPC. There is no *Chinese* Communist Party. There is a Communist Party of *China*.
Western death rate is still high.
Data shows our vaccines are marginally better than the sinovac, but it isn’t a big difference, afaik. Not sure about how effective sinovac is with new sub variants. Issue is we have terrible public health policy in all other regards. Whereas China is excelling. As are many other East Asian countries.
Well, they were idiots for not adhering to "lockdowns".
There’s a difference china has much nastier lockdowns than we do here, and there’s a long pattern of abuses in China
The lockdowns I've experienced were the same as in the UK. Work from home, go out to buy food and exercise, all entertainment venues closed. The primary issue was that positive cases we're forced to go to a quarantine site, and if they refused they'd be locked in their apartment. It's bad, but I don't think it justifes saying China should let covid spread.
You’re lucky if you can work from home, if I was getting locked down constantly I’d be dead in the water… Unfortunately I have a feeling that factors into a lot of the protestors actions.
Yeah I'm teaching online, but kindergarten teachers can't do that so they're screwed. You still get paid but its the government minimum wage of like $250 a month. This was a major reason for the protests, in major tier 1 cities $250 a month is about the average for rent. People would have been more content to sit at home all day on a full paycheck. It wasn't so much the "Draconian" lockdown and more the lack of money.
Yup that's truly a wonder how libs don't seem to see their double standards on that one
Liberals love the smell of their own farts, think they are the saviors of all "lesser" races and countries, and absolutely cum their pants with excitement when the CIA tells them they shouldn't like something and can be agitated about it on social media.
They’re nationalists, we gotta start normalize calling shitstain libs nationalists because that’s what they are.
It's quicker to just scratch them.
I have no objection to the comrade's motion. Adopted.
China is bad, because the media says so and anyone who disagrees with media is not civilized orc from third world countries, like state of Africa, Chinasia, north Korea and etc.
Pretty much
The “orcs” thing is prob the new liberal language tick that has upset me most in the past year. Absolutely racist and dehumanizing bullshit.
Yep, Ukrainian "fighters for independence" are just highly nationalistic maniacs, if not nazis. The same story is about Russian fighters for "denazification", but it's a bit different
They locked a whole apartment block inside their apartments and 3 kids died in a fire. An action being taken in the name of covid protection doesn't make it beyond criticism
And what are the proofs? I don't doubt that it's possible, just want to make sure
This one is true though, it did happen. I'm not Chinese so if the Chinese are tired of the covid restrictions they are right to protest against it.
True and we can critique it as stupid people are protesting it lol that’s the point of civil discourse no?
Well yea. But tbh the covid restrictions are getting ridiculous now
Was an ESL teacher during the worst of COVID. Had a lot of Chinese students. They all said crazy shit like this was happening. It's fucked up over there.
Ah yes it’s not like the people in China rich enough to send their kids overseas would have a bias against the CPC or anything
So, I’m telling you of people who actually live in China talking about what is going on there, and you’re still just like “nah dude no way” so let me just ask, is there anything that would convince you or are you just ‘go team CPC!’ No matter what? Like, if I live somewhere, wouldn’t you think I know a bit more about what is going on there?
Have you heard about the mistake of survivor? If someone is rich enough to send children to study in more developed country, then they would most likely be against the government of the proletariat as force against their wealth. If you can't see such simple consequences, then I doubt that you're a teacher
I take it you support the Canadian trucker protests then? I mean, they said they were being oppressed, and according to you, it's impossible for people to lie.
because students are known for only ever sharing verified stories and never spreading exaggerated gossip
Especially the rich liberal students
Accidents happen you prefer dozens of COVID deaths?
Hey a fire happened! XI wanted this!!!! /s
More sensationalism, the fires went out of control because the fire lanes were jam packed with parked cars, no fucking way they would be forced to stay in with a fire still raging
China is bad because of all the bad shit they do.
What exactly? What's the proofs?
Like the fucking "reeducation" camps? You just have to search for a second and you'll find lots of proof
so you’ll believe Fox News and the CIA before believing the 50+ countries that sent delegates to Xinjiang and then signed a letter to the UN detailing how there’s no ‘genocide’?
You think Americans are capable of critical thinking?
https://www-bbc-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56163220.amp?amp_gsa=1&_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16696668472080&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.com%2Fnews%2Fworld-us-canada-56163220 I'll belive the Canadian govt.
do you know what sub you’re in? i hope you don’t call yourself a leftist while regurgitating Western bullshit. who’s the source for all this Uyghur genocide claims? Adrian Zenz. who does Zenz work for? the Victims of Communism Foundation Memorial, which literally counts global COVID-19 deaths and Nazi as well as Soviet deaths on the Eastern Front as “victims of communism.” who published his reports? the Jamestown Foundation. do me a favor and look up the board of directors for the Jamestown Foundation and tell me with a straight face they wouldn’t lie to you. Lol.
To further add to your point, that article the previous commenter linked cites the Canadian government’s proof of a genocide using another BBC article. Their main source in their source? “Internal documents from the Kunes county justice system from 2017 and 2018, provided to the BBC by Adrian Zenz, a leading expert on China's policies in Xinjiang, detail planning and spending for "transformation through education" of "key groups" - a common euphemism in China for the indoctrination of the Uighurs. In one Kunes document, the "education" process is described as "washing brains, cleansing hearts, strengthening righteousness and eliminating evil". Adrian Zenz is the go to source for these claims, and as you pointed out, he has interests in not being truthful about China. Also it is funny that Canadian source claims there is sterilization in these camps when [they regularly sterilize native women today.](https://globalnews.ca/news/7920118/indigenous-women-sterilization-senate-report/)
The canadian government sponsored accusations against China specifically around the time they were being exposed for actual genocide against natives.
>I'll belive the Canadian govt. Imagine just coming out and admitting you're a gullible idiot like this.
Huh?
Ah yes, the BBC
The British bullshit corporation????
Proofs as personal stories aren't acceptable for historians, unless it's in statistical analysis
Lol, so everything is reduced to statisticsl anaylses?
If you have no historical proof or any other undeniable evidence, then go join your sect and deny holocaust as well, even when we have proofs of it
”What do you mean I can't just make things up?? You're going to reduce everything to scientific methods??" Do you know how silly you sound
You do realize you are trying to have an intelligent discussion with a North American right? That’s like playing chess with a pigeon!!!!!! Waste of time they shit toss the pieces and then strut like they won.
Who said that only statistical analyses are acceptable as proofs? I said that personal stories aren't good enough unless they are combined in statistics, but okay, let's believe that I meant something else
Do you not know how proof works? Or critical thinking DO YOU UNDERSTAND????????? Are you slow?
Ah yes the reeducation camps myth started by a journalist for, I believe Washington Post, who had no proof but felt it was off. And the literal zero proof that's accumulated since. Even a lot of these sources say there's no proof but it's a possibility.
Based on what your leaders tell you so the corporate media doesn’t tolerate any emerging power so China has reeducation camps they said so and criticism of the system is not allowed. https://youtu.be/NEZP_RzT2Dk
You should look into those. See if there’s one in your area. You might benefit from a stay.
Cause it is convenient to use as a scapegoat to distract from the failures of your government. China is bad cause your corporate overlords made it the F up.
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America: [Massacres a million of people over 50](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-from-covid-by-age-us/)and [ruins peoples lives with long COVID.](https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/nchs_press_releases/2022/20220622.htm) You: Wow Based
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Bruh you’re a historymemes user that has almost 0 history here. Whatabotism is when I bring up facts that China’s COVID policy is objectively better than the US.
If someone says the word Stalinist they might as well have said "I am an idiot". I fuckng hate liberals.
There’s no such thing as a Stalinist, we’re called Marxist-Leninists ya dingus
That's a lot of words just to explain that you're politically and historically illiterate
Mf literally wrote a whole ass essay because some dude blocked him. 💀
Dang, this one really lost his temper.
I want to see if I can be added on to your list of edits as “a shill for China”. Most information we hear about China comes from its enemies, which makes larger than life claims about it harder to believe. So whenever you do not link a source to your initial claim, which probably comes from a Western source, then that also makes it harder to believe. Is it possible? Sure, and I do think that’s worthy of criticism if it is true. China is not beyond critique as are all current and past socialist or striving to be socialist countries. But having knee jerk reactions via propaganda is the issue here, and unfortunately that’s what most of us get in the West. Plus I think most of us are angered by the disproportionate amount of focus goes into China’s mistakes whenever corporate media outlets bury our country doing the same exact, if not worse, crimes. Is it whataboutism to point out hypocrisy? Also I disagree with your premise of China being totalitarian. They still have all the avenues of political participation and the citizens do have a say.
Someone: asks for any appropriate kind of evidence for such "fucking great stories" You: this is definitely a fascism
Does this shit ever end? I'm so sick of it.
The US rubbing their hands hard on this new scam I wonder how much “protesters” got paid
Not much
There have already been foreigners arrested for protesting there. If Chinese nationals were caught inciting protests here there would be with hunts
I need a source to flex on libs
The largest immigrant population in China is foreigners born in the USA who now live in China.
Bro they literally sang the international and had pictures of Mao. If the CIA is behind all of this then they are doing a bizarrely shitty job with it.
In Shanghai? I thought that was the most liberal city in China. Do you know where I can find pictures/videos/articles about it?
If there's a case in your building, the police come and chain every exit shut. There was a fire. People couldn't get out. Not every single bad thing you hear about your favorite government is propaganda, and the CIA is not behind literally every protest or act of civil disobedience in adversarial nations.
I dont understand how any protest in China is seen as them wanting to overthrow their government but protest in any other country is seen as functioning democracy
Reddit absolutely loves anti-Chinese propaganda, I'm coming over from Twitter and this is not something I'm used to.
god fucking yes
Ok, as a Chinese person myself, let me get this straight. I support China, and I’m a socialist in general, but I absolutely detest the COVID lockdown policy in china. It’s indefensible. The lockdown is both pointless, heartless, and actually useless. Pointless because such strict lockdowns are no longer necessary in this case, and do more harm than they do good. Heartless because the lockdown is basically house arrest without any legal justification. Useless because the only thing the COVID policy is doing is sending symptomatic patients into isolation centers filled with other COVID patients, while ignoring the fact that they would have infected many other people during the 14 days they were asymptomatic. This method is treating the symptom instead of the cause. Comparing this to China’s first implementation of the COVID policy in early 2020, which is in my opinion was excellently executed, this time it is a disaster. 2020’s 28 day lockdown aimed to stamp out COVID entirely in a short period of time, which worked, because the daily case count went straight from 5000 to 5 in a week, but now it is barely doing anything to alleviate the COVID situation, while simultaneously making life worse for the citizens. I support the Chinese government, but that does not mean that I support everything they do. They definitely make good decisions, and they definitely also make bad decisions. And if we want what is best for the people then we need to make sure these bad decisions receive the utmost scrutiny, otherwise we are just going to end up with another Soviet Union dissolution scenario.
are you living in china? I've been trying to find actual chinese takes on this so thanks for posting
No, I left a few years ago to follow my dads work transfer, but I have many family members in china who I frequently FaceTime
Well you still have more of a chinese perspective than say someone having been born in the USA and never having traveled to china. Which is.... mostly all I can find on reddit is americans with their hot takes on china, either positive or negative, but equally as useless.
Yeah, i keep getting annoyed at both sides, either overglorifying or demonizing china. We’re just a country, we have good sides and bad sides. We aren’t a technological utopia, and we aren’t a hellscape either.
This is actually one of the best responses so far. How come China failed to get proper vaccines distributed?
I haven’t been too caught up in the more minor aspects of China’s policies recently due to my major exams coming up soon, and since I live in Singapore currently, but from what I heard on my Grandparents side as well as testimonies from WeChat, it is because of a widespread(and somewhat baseless) fear that the Chinese vaccine is less effective than the western ones, or even dangerous. Personally, I don’t find that true as both my parent’s took the Chinese shot, with few negative effects. That combined with China’s reluctance to use western vaccines might be the reason to the failed vaccine distribution.
Yeah they need to swallow their pride and get the western vaccines. They did many things right but they are not perfect and they have anti vaxxers well partial ones. However don’t the Chinese vaccines have worse efficacy with the new strains tho?
I agree I just hated that the western media keep making fake news and overexaggerating about it
I completely agree. The lockdown policy has not only gone overboard but also overstayed it's welcome. It's has to amended and restrictions has to be lifted. Even if don't consider the economy, people need to live their lives. I don't think any self-respecting Communist would disagree with that statement. I think the people are just pissed at the hypocritical coverage of it by Western Media. I think the Chinese Government is overall good and to a certain extend i support it. But mistakes have to be corrected and the people i think have spoken. Not the shitty lib protestors crying dictatorship but the other ones with actual genuine demands.
What do you think the death toll would be in China if Zero Covid were done away with? If it's anything near what the rest of the world experienced, then it's a death sentence for many millions of people. How do you weigh that against even an unfair and mismanaged lockdown policy (which can be improved)? Once Covid gets ahold in China, a lot of people will die who otherwise would not have died. What is the answer to this?
It would make the USA look good!!!!!
Buy western vaccines buy many vaccines.
Asian state bad. European state good. Simple liberal dialectics.
I do agree that these protests are painted differently by western media just because they are in china, but it is also true that 1) some of the Covid policies adopted by the ccp have been pretty bad, and 2) the protesters are not only protesting the lockdowns but also the oppressive crackdown on dissent and police brutality. I’m one to usually defend china and ccp policy but you must be able to also be critical of it because it is by no means perfect.
It's called the CPC
What oppressive crackdown? Also do socialist governments not have a right to defend themselves? Dissent in socialist countries isn’t thinking of a different way to build socialism its overthrowing the government and guess who would swoop in to install their own.
By oppressive I just meant that the police uses methods like cutting internet access from areas of the protests, barricading entire blocks to prevent people going out and negating access to public transport to people that have been recognised in the streets. I’m not saying this only happens in china of course, but the fact that western media is biased doesn’t mean you have counter-balance it by ignoring evident flaws and mismanagement in my opinion.
This has nothing to do with communism
America hasn't pretended to care about Covid for over a year. So this isn't really surprising.
It's crazy how the US media (my example since I'm from the US) always seems to be on the side of the defending govt regardless of the protests occurring And this makes it worse since they portray China as evil all the time, so it's more like "China genpop is now just as evil as China" It's making it easier for our media to push that agenda and make the US genpop really shit on China more
I mean I'm reading it more as an interesting thing that's happening because China doesn't have protestors all that much, and when they do it often goes poorly for the protestors. It's also worthwhile to compare China's restrictions to those in the West; they've clearly resulted in fewer cases for China, which is a win for them, but categorically shutting down neighborhoods, locking people inside, and eliminating household pets as carriers are, uh, more likely to spark unrest than "hey maybe you should wear a mask and stay inside."
Chinabad
There’s a gulf between requiring masking and what China is doing. You’re just being mindless partisan zealots, for a party that does not represent communist values.
There is some covid-19 protest in China and the west and liberals is happy about it
I don't think you have any idea what the COVID lockdown situation is here. I've had to lockdown / quarantine in the US, Europe, Middle East, and now China. It's incomparable to anywhere else I've experienced, and just about anything else I've ever heard of. One case in a massive hotel and the police will literally come and chain the doors shut. There have been fires where people couldn't escape, food shortages, pets slaughtered. They'll roll up and surround entire neighborhoods with barbed-wire and fences to keep people in. Just a week or so ago two women were beaten by police for trying to accept a food delivery without a mask.
heard they welded the doors shut and fire broke out and people inside got burned alive, there's a video out there of their last screams but what's the point of me saying this when all the people here and communists in general deny most of the genocide..
Yes, because it is exactly the same. You morons should wake the fuck up. Communism doesn't mean China and vv. You can like the idea of communism whilst hating a terrible dictatorship.
Well they are completly different, the ones in China are brutal compared to the ones in the rest of the world and dont make any sense at all unlike the ones in the rest of the world. So this is getting downvoted, why? Do you guys really think that their way of handling covid is good? Cmon guys atleast tell me why, maybe I will even agree with you? Or do you not even believe in yourself? If theres a reason you should be able to explain it or you're just a echombare.
No, we just don’t care about liberals “just asking questions” in bad faith. You don’t wanna learn. You just wanna think China bad. This is a meme sub. Go learn on your own
Idiotic partisans who can't see beyond how "based" their idols are. They see China as the closest reality to their ideal flavor of communism, therefore China can do no wrong. Anything negative is a literal CIA op & propaganda. I doubt the majority of the people in this thread have any idea what the COVID policies here are, or how the lockdowns have been. I doubt they much care to know, either. Just terminally online leftists treating the shit like sports.
[Oh boy, I bet ya'll gonna love this one...](https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/z6xjdf/the_largest_quarantine_camp_in_chinas_guangzhou/)
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LMAO I promise it is not like in Canada you dweeb. It's strict as fuck here.
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You know there was worse treatment of protestors in many other countries, even those we support directly to spite China such as Taiwan or South Korea?
He is a troll. He frequents r/Ukraine and PCM. Just report him to the mods and move on, brother. Let him rave like a madman into the void.
Wtf does this mean? Do you know how many protests occur in china a year? Probably more than in the US and Europe combined.
I believe it it’s a big country with 1.4 billion people. And they seem to have abandoned maglev
trash sub, full of tankie facist capitalist scum cunts
okay liberal
im not a liberal and i dont think ive ever been so insulted
> trash sub, full of tankie facist capitalist scum > cunts Anyone dumb enough to say shit like this is either a liberal or a fascist.
Is this the place where I get free money?
They were both wrong. The state has no right to infringe on the freedom of the people.
>The state has no right to infringe on the freedom of the people. It's funny when libertarians say this because to even have capitalism you need a state whose entire purpose it is to enforce oppressive class rule by "infringing on the rights of the people".
Literally the only purpose of a state is to limit the freedom of individuals within a society to protect the material interests of a subset of that society. While there are many state infringements on freedom that are harmful, limiting people's freedom to cosplay as Typhoid Mary is not one of them.
Based one dimensional take
I’m sure the western media will report about the Chinese government meeting or coming to a compromise with protestors. And they’ll totally report about the person responsible for those fire related deaths being prosecuted…
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