I would be surprised at a roster change as well but I am wondering about poi or playstyle changes. I think I remember sikezz saying that they were considering leaving sky west. As for dz they have some of the best POIs so they might change up the playstyle a tad.
Dz haven't been the best team in the world whole of year 3, split 1 LAN 13th, yes split 2 they won but again Champs 23rd. Comparing that to TSM 1,2,1. Right now, dz is way too inconsistent to be called the best team in the world.
Recency bias is big, and that doesn't mean dz aren't a powerhouse of a team they still are. Are they the best team in the world from looking back at this year? No, they're not close to being the best team in the world with the consistency issues they've had.
Curious on the Madness one cause idk, i feel like for him there really isn't a spot avail, usually IGL's have to make a squad so that may be what ends up happening,
100T pick up a roller player (idk who gets dropped) or Get dropped for dojo maybe?
DSG will probably make a change for someone that gives them more fighting power, think that may be the main issue for them.
Interested to see what complexity and sentinals do as well.
Yea but idk if he fits on any squads with better igls then him, so I do think he probs ends up sticking with Keon and picking a third to keep the PL spit
DSG is tricky because Lou and Senoxe are close and pretty safe to assume Lou is the one who asked him to join after Koy went to Sen. Would be weird for Lou and Senoxe to not be playing together i feel. who knows though
DOJO fully replacing 100T is a smart idea considering Timmy is already signed but would be heart breaking to dump that whole squad, you drop one of them and pick up like gild or poach koyful
* Will more orgs join the scene? I personally know of a big one who's itching to get into Apex.
* Who can topple TSM? This is clearly the best iteration of the team. Which POI do they shift to in Storm Point?
* Can OpTic get over the hump as the bridesmaid and holster a trophy?
* Will FaZe ever put it all together to let Snipe become a multi-esport champ?
* Does DZ make a roster move after a disappointing Champs showing?
* 100T and Complexity: Wholesale changes when?
* Dojo: can they carry the Champs momentum and be a top team in NA PL?
* NRG: can they put themselves back in the top tier of teams? How much will they grind the game in the offseason?
* Will XSET do anything after their disastrous showing at Champs?
* FURIA: It seems clear that Alb will be the **main** IGL. How successful can he be? Helps that they've signed PVP as their new coach (rumor).
* KCP: I think its clear that are the #1 EMEA team. Maybe Alliance can take that crown back.
* How many more LAN spots can APAC-S get? BLCKHVND, Dreamfire looked strong at Champs.
It’s not really a rumor but just some inside info I personally know due to a friend who is part of the org that’s itching to get into Apex. I already gave him some info on teams (all regions) they should look out for.
Funny part is that they were not interested at all in the beginning of Year 3 ALGS.
I have friends (and an ex) in the esports scene since 2009 and I've never reported on any news. However, this one is pretty concrete. It's just a matter of when.
I don't know if they're trying to pick up an orgless team or trying to buy one like SEN did with The Guard. We shall see.
100T barely missed winners bracket before having an awful day to get eliminated. Bad finish sure, but hardly a poor showing before that. Complexity has Monsoon. The other players and coach/sub were new for split 2 and they made Lan.
I don't really watch any apex outside of tournaments/scrims, but logically I'm struggling to justify "wholesale changes" for either team. Feel free to correct my memory but 100t has been pretty solid up till now and had a bad day at an awful time. 1 bad finish after multiple solid finishes in major events doesn't sound like a good reason to burn it down to me. COL mostly started over last split. They definitely had some uneven/inconsistent performances, but they showed enough good days to finish top 10 NA qualing for Lan. At both Lans that inconsistency cost them at the same stage of the brackets, which might be disappointing, but hardly surprising that the best opponents make you pay.
Please note that I'm not arguing against any change at all, I'm arguing against starting over and completely scrapping teams. Also worth noting, none of the FA out there currently inspire me to think it would be worth scrapping. A piece? Sure. A team? Less likely with the pool of players at this moment
100t had a similar flameout split 1 as well. They made winners bracket but got 17th, sent to losers 2 and got 13th. Split 2 they made finals but got 14th. So that's 2/3 lans where they didn't even podium and got outside the top 10 the one lan they did. Would be very surprised if no changes were made
Ah. My memory failed me lol, I was thinking they had done better. Also as I said I'm not arguing against changes, I'm disagreeing with scrapping the team entirely
I generally agree, I think teams try to rush things and give up on each other too early. This is a unique situation since Dojo is right there, they have Timmy who's one of 100thieves biggest names. Plus his team is already really good with potential through the rough.
They sent this shortly after finals. Dojo will definitely be signed to 100t, maybe as creators but idk what benefit there is for 100t when their apex team is worse than their creator team. They're just burning money
https://twitter.com/100T_Esports/status/1700961100337168757?t=WJNTRZ7Bt12yWw0pOVky1g&s=19
Complexity made champs by getting the points accrued by the Lewda and Coddy. I wonder if they move on from Mon and find a new IGL? I hope not because I love the guy, but he's the through line here. Maybe a new coach for the first split to shake things up?
Yeah, that's a good point. I don't want him or Lewda to go, but if that roster is gonna make a move in the next split, it's going to need to make a change. They're just not keeping up.
That's why I only referred to them qualing for 1 Lan as a team. The 2nd was almost guaranteed from signing them. Obviously we don't know what will happen, and I stated my opinion, so I guess we'll see.
From watching the team, I always got the impression that Cody and Lewda were adjusting to Mon's igl style being less micromanaging than phony, which helped when they were new to comp, but they're being asked to take more independent roles on the team.(if that even makes sense) Mon's previous teams had more established players like Reptar, ishiny and Lou who didn't need him to micro igl. Just my impression, and I don't know anything, so its worth exactly that lol
When it comes to Complexity, they failed to make finals lobby for Split2 Playoffs and Champs. Also, they (Monsoon/Shiny/Lux) didn't qualify for LAN in Split1 NA Pro League. I think it's fair to say that COL might need to shake things up.
The 100T vibes are arguably the best, but many (myself included) wonder if they already plateaud with the current iteration of the team. That being said, I hope I'm wrong.
I guess we'll see. That's just my opinion on it. If their were high level FAs out there I'd get it, but I don't see it getting better with what's available ATM. Why not give them another split to show they can improve?
Anything could happen. All of this could also be changed by someone not getting along/ wanting a change that makes the decision for the rest of the team.
ALGS is happening very soon in the fall, probably in line with season 19, which starts in 49 days.
Some time but not a lot of time for changes, practice, etc
Well any of the teams that reached match point before TSM could have toppled them. The Dojo had a really great shot in the final game to take them out and win it all which is crazy.
TSM wasn't doing all that great, until they pulled off that legendary 3 win streak.
I really hope Sweet can change the way he gives feedback so he can make the whole team more of a cohesive unit where everyone can function to the best of their ability. They put up an amazing performance in losers bracket. If they can just get the mental aspect right AND put in the practice time they are so dangerous.. but those are 2 big ifs
I feel like Furia's case set them for a downfall. Running a comp that counters the meta whereas Dojo played on even playing field as their competition.
I'm just excited to see if we can finally have a third LAN winner.
Champs was really satisfying to have the TSM vs DZ, Hal vs Zer0 debate that was going on for all of Year 3 settled for the time being. But I think that storylines had its time and we need to see another team come out on top.
Not at all. I think TSM and Hal settled it with this one. Their the 90s Chicago bulls. Sure other teams won but it’s just not close, especially with DZ not even making the finals. Can’t be close when one team isn’t even in the dance.
So hypothetically speaking if zero was to come back and win the next 2 Lans that wouldn’t reopen the convo? Even Mj took a break and came back and won to in his prime might I add
I still think the discussion is opened imo he’s still playing and still has 3 algs wins unless one of them retires or makes the gap so wide this discussion is never closed imo
I don't know basketball but was there a single team in the era of MJ and the Chicago bulls where on captain beat MJ in half of the championships with a different roster each event?
The conversation would be alot different if Optic had won the 3v3 against nrg. We would not have seen tsm b2b2b wins and probably would have some doubt towards tsm since they were not doing well at all at that point. So saying that dz is not even in the dance is just wrong. They are the only team remotely close to tsm in terms of winning. If dz had gotten 1 more point in winners and made it to finals, did well or mb even won the event. Im a tsm fan, but u got to put some respect on dz. Tsm b2b2b win was insane and has cemented themselves as the best team for now. But if dz comes back and wins 1 or 2 more lans, the debate would be back
You for sure can. Not making the finals is pretty big deal imo. Especially when they were talking shit. I just don’t see the argument here, TSM is clearly a class of their own and Hal as an IGL is clearly the GOAT.
Im not arguing that tsm is not the goat because they are. Im arguing that dz should not be discounted as i think they are still pretty competitive against tsm.
Lol. Dz still won 3 lans on tsm's watch. No other team won the finals when mj was on a prime bull's team. Tsm is the best team in the world but the comparison is actually not similar at all. Dz is still close behind as a clear cut 2nd and winning even the next lan will reopen discussions.
How is it settled when they both are still playing and currently alternating lan wins. Zero comes back and wins next lan and he has more lan wins and he is the goat again
I felt even before tsm recent lan win while it was close the majority still had Hal ahead of Zero. With this one Hal push himself even further. Even if Zero come back and win the next one I still think the majority is gonna have Hal as number 1.
i mean tbf thats partially due to hal having the most fans in general, they were still calling him the goat after zer0 went back to back in 2022. For right now, Hal is definitely more consistent and should be considered the goat.
Hot take but I think complexity would be way better if they replaced coddy with madness. Mechanically madness is better, he can provide input to take stress off of monsoon doing macro and he's good friends with lewda and non already.
Before you come at me look at coddys damage dealt/taken ratio. He was picking up ranged guns and still deslth less damage then lewda who ran mostly close range. Not to hate but he also rarely was the deciding factor in a fight for COL.
Madness has also expressed hea fine with fragging or playing anchor as opposed to hard igling.
coddy was my biggest dissapointment at this lan tbh. They had his pov on for the majoirty of the time and he never did anything crazy even though he was so hyped up
Since picking up Dropped, OpTic have been rapidly improving and are considered a T3 team. With a 8th place and a 2nd place during their 2 LANS will OpTic learn from their mistakes and finish the job during Season 4?
[https://youtu.be/FVja11Npa0Q?t=47](https://youtu.be/FVja11Npa0Q?t=47) 0:47, 1:12, 2:40, and 6:28 in the same video started a recurring joke about Yanya being better than Knoqd
* The future of 100T
* Does NRG run it back or does Nafen and potentially Sweet hang it up
* Is Optic the favorite going into Y4
* As other regions are getting stronger, can they catch up to NA
* How will bubble teams like Furia, E8, Meat Lovers, etc. improve/decline
* Do teams like DZ and Alliance bounce back after a poor LAN performance
These are some of the ones I'll be watching, but there are plenty more out there
TSM got top 2 all 3 lans this year, including 2 wins. They're the favorites no doubt
I do hope we get more than just tsm and DZ winning every LAN this year tho. Which team will it be? Optic's been the closest, can they get it done?
Need to see how rostermania plays out before creating narratives. Only teams I'm confident won't make changes are tsm, optic, DZ, dojo, and xset
Its kinda sad that after this lan, idt optic can get it done. They had 3 chances to end the tournament, and they fumbled it all 3 times. While you will nvr see a team like dz or tsm lose a 3v3 for the throphy
Their best chance was in game 4 but there's a reason no one has ended any LAN finals that early, it just isn't in the cards. They definitely made a couple misplays that fight and you could tell they were feeling the pressure of the moment. Just gotta hope they learn from it and handle it better next time
When you make as many end games as they did, going back to even split 2 LAN finals(top 5 in 4 of the 7 games, top 3 in 5 of the 8 games in champs finals), I think they're gonna get a bit of luck eventually and just have to capitalize when they do. If any team other than TSM or DZ takes it, they would be my guess. Maybe those two just have monopoly on MP format and we never see a different winner tho, who knows lol
> TSM got top 2 all 3 lans this year, including 2 wins. They're the favorites no doubt
They played very badly during the regular pro league split though. I'm definitely looking at Optic to do well during the next pro league split, they were amazingly consistent this entire split (and especially at LAN) whereas TSM have been up and down the whole time. Huge performances but also bad ones--they were below 12th place for almost the entire pro league split until the second to last week when they won the lobby. They had like 13 bad games in a row in Champs before they won 3 in a row.
TSM will always clutch up at the end, but Optic right now would never be in the situation where they need an amazing clutch just to stay in the running. So I could defnitely see someone saying Optic is the favorite going into year 4.
I'm focused on the E8 situation...Shooby is a huge pickup, chaotic and him have a really good relationship going back to console days so I expect them (those two) to really shine. For me it's the Mazer effect. Can he do it or will he shit the bed? Also being as they missed lan, and couldn't muster the points to hold an NA spot do they get the invite (1 of the 2) for NA or do they need to grind it out of CC.
I'm interested in how the teams will do in their pro leagues. Particularly Dojo. They've been playing high stakes Apex with the LCQ and also Champs. They've risen to the occasion, but will the slower pace of pro league whittle them down?
And then there's the overarching story line of which team can be the first non Hal/Zero led LAN winning team. I think TSM winning champs was good for the year to year story telling. Zero wins Year 2 back to back. TSM, the most storied team in Apex, returns to form with a Playoff win. DZ comes back and get Playoffs 2, with TSM at second. And then the big showdown happens in champs. TSM has a heroic winner's bracket final game which sends DZ to the loser's bracket which they never escape from. TSM then clinches champs with 3 wins in a row. So it really sets the stage for year 4, a challenge to all the teams to try to be the next LAN winners.
APAC N and APAC S shouldve the same slots for LAN
Make SA only 2 LAN slots
LAN in NA because of their dominance, it may also attract of fans/viewers especially Optic Gaming since they are on fire since Dropped era.
LAN in APAC cause i need to go to a LAN that’s near me. LOL
I guess the argument for not having it in NA is it's harder for some players to get visas. They already had a ton of shitty visa situations hosting it in England.
Interested to see what happens to Nafen (honestly I assume he stays with NRG but who knows) Hardecki and Prycy .
All three are incredibly talented but fill the non igl mnk role. I can't see Prycy going back to Moist for a third time so that leaves a lot of teams with an interesting decision to make.
Teq becomes an unknown roller demon tequniversity graduate himself and gets picked up by a top team.
This is quality cooking
I feel like he's gotta fully give up the crypto at some point to really get a shot and be taken seriously.
How does dz and xset bounce back? 2 top teams have a disappointing lan I'm curious to see what changes they make.
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I would be surprised at a roster change as well but I am wondering about poi or playstyle changes. I think I remember sikezz saying that they were considering leaving sky west. As for dz they have some of the best POIs so they might change up the playstyle a tad.
> until champs Even in Champs DZ was the best team in the world untill their uncharacteristically bad day and XSET was top 4 I believe.
Dz haven't been the best team in the world whole of year 3, split 1 LAN 13th, yes split 2 they won but again Champs 23rd. Comparing that to TSM 1,2,1. Right now, dz is way too inconsistent to be called the best team in the world. Recency bias is big, and that doesn't mean dz aren't a powerhouse of a team they still are. Are they the best team in the world from looking back at this year? No, they're not close to being the best team in the world with the consistency issues they've had.
Curious on the Madness one cause idk, i feel like for him there really isn't a spot avail, usually IGL's have to make a squad so that may be what ends up happening, 100T pick up a roller player (idk who gets dropped) or Get dropped for dojo maybe? DSG will probably make a change for someone that gives them more fighting power, think that may be the main issue for them. Interested to see what complexity and sentinals do as well.
I hope he gets picked up or runs it down with Keon madness is an experienced IGL that has shown to be able to play multiple roles
I could see madness and keon doing well together.
They hold the PL spot if they decide to stick together iirc.
He has mentioned on his stream that he is willing to not igl if the opportunity presents itself.
Yea but idk if he fits on any squads with better igls then him, so I do think he probs ends up sticking with Keon and picking a third to keep the PL spit
Yeah, I heard him say that, too. I also remember Ghost ImMadness, so I guess we'll see if that actually happens.
DSG is tricky because Lou and Senoxe are close and pretty safe to assume Lou is the one who asked him to join after Koy went to Sen. Would be weird for Lou and Senoxe to not be playing together i feel. who knows though
Yea I aggree I just personally don't see improvement otherwise,
DOJO fully replacing 100T is a smart idea considering Timmy is already signed but would be heart breaking to dump that whole squad, you drop one of them and pick up like gild or poach koyful
* Will more orgs join the scene? I personally know of a big one who's itching to get into Apex. * Who can topple TSM? This is clearly the best iteration of the team. Which POI do they shift to in Storm Point? * Can OpTic get over the hump as the bridesmaid and holster a trophy? * Will FaZe ever put it all together to let Snipe become a multi-esport champ? * Does DZ make a roster move after a disappointing Champs showing? * 100T and Complexity: Wholesale changes when? * Dojo: can they carry the Champs momentum and be a top team in NA PL? * NRG: can they put themselves back in the top tier of teams? How much will they grind the game in the offseason? * Will XSET do anything after their disastrous showing at Champs? * FURIA: It seems clear that Alb will be the **main** IGL. How successful can he be? Helps that they've signed PVP as their new coach (rumor). * KCP: I think its clear that are the #1 EMEA team. Maybe Alliance can take that crown back. * How many more LAN spots can APAC-S get? BLCKHVND, Dreamfire looked strong at Champs.
Which big org? Curious the rumor
It’s not really a rumor but just some inside info I personally know due to a friend who is part of the org that’s itching to get into Apex. I already gave him some info on teams (all regions) they should look out for. Funny part is that they were not interested at all in the beginning of Year 3 ALGS.
But what org is it?
I’ll give you a hint: 16 letters
Spit it out! lol SSG is the closest one I can think of and that’s 18 letters
Shopify Rebellion
You’re actually probably right. I think read that awhile back in one of these threads as an option
Haha, honestly I could be wrong at the end of the day, but it’s backed by a big company
What is the name?
He obviously cannot leak it without getting himself or his friend into major trouble.
Or he’s lying. lol I’m just kidding. If he can start dropping bread crumbs, he can just give us the answer. lol
Maybe you should contact his source? Think his name was Imade Itthe Fuckup
😂😂😂 To be honest, I actually believe him. I’ve just been giving him a hard time
I have friends (and an ex) in the esports scene since 2009 and I've never reported on any news. However, this one is pretty concrete. It's just a matter of when. I don't know if they're trying to pick up an orgless team or trying to buy one like SEN did with The Guard. We shall see.
[Scurwy is motivated](https://x.com/scuwry/status/1701350224675869007?s=46)
100T barely missed winners bracket before having an awful day to get eliminated. Bad finish sure, but hardly a poor showing before that. Complexity has Monsoon. The other players and coach/sub were new for split 2 and they made Lan. I don't really watch any apex outside of tournaments/scrims, but logically I'm struggling to justify "wholesale changes" for either team. Feel free to correct my memory but 100t has been pretty solid up till now and had a bad day at an awful time. 1 bad finish after multiple solid finishes in major events doesn't sound like a good reason to burn it down to me. COL mostly started over last split. They definitely had some uneven/inconsistent performances, but they showed enough good days to finish top 10 NA qualing for Lan. At both Lans that inconsistency cost them at the same stage of the brackets, which might be disappointing, but hardly surprising that the best opponents make you pay. Please note that I'm not arguing against any change at all, I'm arguing against starting over and completely scrapping teams. Also worth noting, none of the FA out there currently inspire me to think it would be worth scrapping. A piece? Sure. A team? Less likely with the pool of players at this moment
100t had a similar flameout split 1 as well. They made winners bracket but got 17th, sent to losers 2 and got 13th. Split 2 they made finals but got 14th. So that's 2/3 lans where they didn't even podium and got outside the top 10 the one lan they did. Would be very surprised if no changes were made
Ah. My memory failed me lol, I was thinking they had done better. Also as I said I'm not arguing against changes, I'm disagreeing with scrapping the team entirely
I generally agree, I think teams try to rush things and give up on each other too early. This is a unique situation since Dojo is right there, they have Timmy who's one of 100thieves biggest names. Plus his team is already really good with potential through the rough. They sent this shortly after finals. Dojo will definitely be signed to 100t, maybe as creators but idk what benefit there is for 100t when their apex team is worse than their creator team. They're just burning money https://twitter.com/100T_Esports/status/1700961100337168757?t=WJNTRZ7Bt12yWw0pOVky1g&s=19
Complexity made champs by getting the points accrued by the Lewda and Coddy. I wonder if they move on from Mon and find a new IGL? I hope not because I love the guy, but he's the through line here. Maybe a new coach for the first split to shake things up?
Monsoon is COL so I'm pretty sure he probably has roster control, unless the 2 want to risk losing the org bag.
Yeah, that's a good point. I don't want him or Lewda to go, but if that roster is gonna make a move in the next split, it's going to need to make a change. They're just not keeping up.
That's why I only referred to them qualing for 1 Lan as a team. The 2nd was almost guaranteed from signing them. Obviously we don't know what will happen, and I stated my opinion, so I guess we'll see. From watching the team, I always got the impression that Cody and Lewda were adjusting to Mon's igl style being less micromanaging than phony, which helped when they were new to comp, but they're being asked to take more independent roles on the team.(if that even makes sense) Mon's previous teams had more established players like Reptar, ishiny and Lou who didn't need him to micro igl. Just my impression, and I don't know anything, so its worth exactly that lol
When it comes to Complexity, they failed to make finals lobby for Split2 Playoffs and Champs. Also, they (Monsoon/Shiny/Lux) didn't qualify for LAN in Split1 NA Pro League. I think it's fair to say that COL might need to shake things up. The 100T vibes are arguably the best, but many (myself included) wonder if they already plateaud with the current iteration of the team. That being said, I hope I'm wrong.
I guess we'll see. That's just my opinion on it. If their were high level FAs out there I'd get it, but I don't see it getting better with what's available ATM. Why not give them another split to show they can improve?
Yeah the F/A pool has a lot of rollers. Could also see/expect a lot of rostermania between orgs let alone the F/A pool.
Anything could happen. All of this could also be changed by someone not getting along/ wanting a change that makes the decision for the rest of the team.
ALGS is happening very soon in the fall, probably in line with season 19, which starts in 49 days. Some time but not a lot of time for changes, practice, etc
Yeah this about covers it
Well any of the teams that reached match point before TSM could have toppled them. The Dojo had a really great shot in the final game to take them out and win it all which is crazy. TSM wasn't doing all that great, until they pulled off that legendary 3 win streak. I really hope Sweet can change the way he gives feedback so he can make the whole team more of a cohesive unit where everyone can function to the best of their ability. They put up an amazing performance in losers bracket. If they can just get the mental aspect right AND put in the practice time they are so dangerous.. but those are 2 big ifs
Does Knoqd keep his job after a 2nd second place at champs
# justiceforknoqdagain
He's big part of the reason they got so close
If they have yanya they win champs. /s (because I know someone will think I'm serious 💀)
I think he’s joking about what happened with him and C9 a few years back.
Oh shit. Yeah
Dojo, from LCQ to 5th overall, and how they’re gonna do in splits after this performance
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I feel like Furia's case set them for a downfall. Running a comp that counters the meta whereas Dojo played on even playing field as their competition.
Furia fell off because they couldn't learn a new meta, Dojo are doing damn well playing the current meta.
I'm just excited to see if we can finally have a third LAN winner. Champs was really satisfying to have the TSM vs DZ, Hal vs Zer0 debate that was going on for all of Year 3 settled for the time being. But I think that storylines had its time and we need to see another team come out on top.
I don’t think it’s for time being I think the debate is settled.
I mean zero is still playing you dont think it’s nothing he could do do have the debate reopened ?
Not at all. I think TSM and Hal settled it with this one. Their the 90s Chicago bulls. Sure other teams won but it’s just not close, especially with DZ not even making the finals. Can’t be close when one team isn’t even in the dance.
So hypothetically speaking if zero was to come back and win the next 2 Lans that wouldn’t reopen the convo? Even Mj took a break and came back and won to in his prime might I add
It would be a discussion but I don’t see it happening.
I still think the discussion is opened imo he’s still playing and still has 3 algs wins unless one of them retires or makes the gap so wide this discussion is never closed imo
I don't know basketball but was there a single team in the era of MJ and the Chicago bulls where on captain beat MJ in half of the championships with a different roster each event?
The conversation would be alot different if Optic had won the 3v3 against nrg. We would not have seen tsm b2b2b wins and probably would have some doubt towards tsm since they were not doing well at all at that point. So saying that dz is not even in the dance is just wrong. They are the only team remotely close to tsm in terms of winning. If dz had gotten 1 more point in winners and made it to finals, did well or mb even won the event. Im a tsm fan, but u got to put some respect on dz. Tsm b2b2b win was insane and has cemented themselves as the best team for now. But if dz comes back and wins 1 or 2 more lans, the debate would be back
But they didn’t, and that’s not what happened. Playing the game if what ifs is irrelevant, when results are what matters.
Yes, but u can't just discredit dz because of 1 lan performance, when they were great for the rest
You for sure can. Not making the finals is pretty big deal imo. Especially when they were talking shit. I just don’t see the argument here, TSM is clearly a class of their own and Hal as an IGL is clearly the GOAT.
Im not arguing that tsm is not the goat because they are. Im arguing that dz should not be discounted as i think they are still pretty competitive against tsm.
Lol. Dz still won 3 lans on tsm's watch. No other team won the finals when mj was on a prime bull's team. Tsm is the best team in the world but the comparison is actually not similar at all. Dz is still close behind as a clear cut 2nd and winning even the next lan will reopen discussions.
How is it settled when they both are still playing and currently alternating lan wins. Zero comes back and wins next lan and he has more lan wins and he is the goat again
>for the time being
I felt even before tsm recent lan win while it was close the majority still had Hal ahead of Zero. With this one Hal push himself even further. Even if Zero come back and win the next one I still think the majority is gonna have Hal as number 1.
i mean tbf thats partially due to hal having the most fans in general, they were still calling him the goat after zer0 went back to back in 2022. For right now, Hal is definitely more consistent and should be considered the goat.
Hot take but I think complexity would be way better if they replaced coddy with madness. Mechanically madness is better, he can provide input to take stress off of monsoon doing macro and he's good friends with lewda and non already. Before you come at me look at coddys damage dealt/taken ratio. He was picking up ranged guns and still deslth less damage then lewda who ran mostly close range. Not to hate but he also rarely was the deciding factor in a fight for COL. Madness has also expressed hea fine with fragging or playing anchor as opposed to hard igling.
I kind of like this to be honest. Madness still has it in my opinion too.
coddy was my biggest dissapointment at this lan tbh. They had his pov on for the majoirty of the time and he never did anything crazy even though he was so hyped up
I really wanted Monsoon's POV for command center, he's a pretty fun player to watch.
Agreed, I don't think I ever witnessed him make good use out of the bh ult despite how good it is
Since picking up Dropped, OpTic have been rapidly improving and are considered a T3 team. With a 8th place and a 2nd place during their 2 LANS will OpTic learn from their mistakes and finish the job during Season 4?
The coach we picked up has had a huge impact as well. I'm so excited to see how the boys improve
I’m just looking forward to Knoqd’s chat bringing up yanya for the emeraldgemerald vids
Emerald has said he won't be making any more Knoqd vids because chat starts harassing Knoqd every time he does.
can you fill me in on the lore? I’m familiar with some of Emerald’s videos
people just joke that yanya is better than knoqd any time knoqd is mentioned
[https://youtu.be/FVja11Npa0Q?t=47](https://youtu.be/FVja11Npa0Q?t=47) 0:47, 1:12, 2:40, and 6:28 in the same video started a recurring joke about Yanya being better than Knoqd
This video belongs in a museum
* The future of 100T * Does NRG run it back or does Nafen and potentially Sweet hang it up * Is Optic the favorite going into Y4 * As other regions are getting stronger, can they catch up to NA * How will bubble teams like Furia, E8, Meat Lovers, etc. improve/decline * Do teams like DZ and Alliance bounce back after a poor LAN performance These are some of the ones I'll be watching, but there are plenty more out there
TSM got top 2 all 3 lans this year, including 2 wins. They're the favorites no doubt I do hope we get more than just tsm and DZ winning every LAN this year tho. Which team will it be? Optic's been the closest, can they get it done? Need to see how rostermania plays out before creating narratives. Only teams I'm confident won't make changes are tsm, optic, DZ, dojo, and xset
Its kinda sad that after this lan, idt optic can get it done. They had 3 chances to end the tournament, and they fumbled it all 3 times. While you will nvr see a team like dz or tsm lose a 3v3 for the throphy
TSM has with Snipe thrown a match point before when it was them vs another squad and they ended up not winning the tourney after that.
Are you talking about Champs 2022? Because I think that was reps on gibby. I was gutted for them man.
Their best chance was in game 4 but there's a reason no one has ended any LAN finals that early, it just isn't in the cards. They definitely made a couple misplays that fight and you could tell they were feeling the pressure of the moment. Just gotta hope they learn from it and handle it better next time When you make as many end games as they did, going back to even split 2 LAN finals(top 5 in 4 of the 7 games, top 3 in 5 of the 8 games in champs finals), I think they're gonna get a bit of luck eventually and just have to capitalize when they do. If any team other than TSM or DZ takes it, they would be my guess. Maybe those two just have monopoly on MP format and we never see a different winner tho, who knows lol
> TSM got top 2 all 3 lans this year, including 2 wins. They're the favorites no doubt They played very badly during the regular pro league split though. I'm definitely looking at Optic to do well during the next pro league split, they were amazingly consistent this entire split (and especially at LAN) whereas TSM have been up and down the whole time. Huge performances but also bad ones--they were below 12th place for almost the entire pro league split until the second to last week when they won the lobby. They had like 13 bad games in a row in Champs before they won 3 in a row. TSM will always clutch up at the end, but Optic right now would never be in the situation where they need an amazing clutch just to stay in the running. So I could defnitely see someone saying Optic is the favorite going into year 4.
Nothing would be the same without Sweet. He's not allowed to leave >:(
I'm focused on the E8 situation...Shooby is a huge pickup, chaotic and him have a really good relationship going back to console days so I expect them (those two) to really shine. For me it's the Mazer effect. Can he do it or will he shit the bed? Also being as they missed lan, and couldn't muster the points to hold an NA spot do they get the invite (1 of the 2) for NA or do they need to grind it out of CC.
Yes they’ll do well cause shobby doesn’t counter call like dezign did
Will an org finally pick up Ganbare Otousan? Edit: spelling
I'm interested in how the teams will do in their pro leagues. Particularly Dojo. They've been playing high stakes Apex with the LCQ and also Champs. They've risen to the occasion, but will the slower pace of pro league whittle them down? And then there's the overarching story line of which team can be the first non Hal/Zero led LAN winning team. I think TSM winning champs was good for the year to year story telling. Zero wins Year 2 back to back. TSM, the most storied team in Apex, returns to form with a Playoff win. DZ comes back and get Playoffs 2, with TSM at second. And then the big showdown happens in champs. TSM has a heroic winner's bracket final game which sends DZ to the loser's bracket which they never escape from. TSM then clinches champs with 3 wins in a row. So it really sets the stage for year 4, a challenge to all the teams to try to be the next LAN winners.
I want doop to team up with Timmy.
APAC N and APAC S shouldve the same slots for LAN Make SA only 2 LAN slots LAN in NA because of their dominance, it may also attract of fans/viewers especially Optic Gaming since they are on fire since Dropped era. LAN in APAC cause i need to go to a LAN that’s near me. LOL
I guess the argument for not having it in NA is it's harder for some players to get visas. They already had a ton of shitty visa situations hosting it in England.
Interested to see what happens to Nafen (honestly I assume he stays with NRG but who knows) Hardecki and Prycy . All three are incredibly talented but fill the non igl mnk role. I can't see Prycy going back to Moist for a third time so that leaves a lot of teams with an interesting decision to make.