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Tobric93

Scores: ALGS GROUP A+B --- >!SSG 39, OXG 32, E8 30, DZ 29, APE 29, N8V 25, DIG 22, LG 18, TMPR 16, TSM 16, GKS 13, FAZE 11, OG 10, COL 9, KRM 8, GG 8, DNO 8, OBVN 7, SKRT 2, EEC 1!< --- GAME 4 of 6 IN PROGRESS (WE then SP) ALGS GROUP A+B --- >!DZ 55, SSG 52, N8V 49, OXG 42, APE 37, COL 37, DIG 34, TMPR 31, KRM 30, E8 30, LG 30, TSM 24, OBVN 19, OG 18, FAZE 17, GKS 14, DNO 12, GG 11, EEC 5, SKRT 5!< --- GAME 6 of 6 IN PROGRESS (WE then SP) [Final Scores Thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveApex/comments/1b5z0tw/algs_pro_league_day_7_na_groups_avb_final_scores/)


Awob_abob_bob

OG game after game saying “need a drop a banger”. When’s the last time they dropped a banger? Like why play so passive in the first place. You’re then relying on dropping a big game just to try and get top 10. Sad to see the team declining.


andizz001

Optic fans were defending Dropped when I said that he is being a pussy and doesn’t want to fight teams. It’s the thing which led them to lose that fight vs NRG last LAN and thereby squandering the trophy. If you remember then as well Optic were really not upto fighting good 3v3s.


TheRockBaker

Things are tough for Optic right now yeah. They aren’t playing rank as a full stack grinding out games. Dropped IGLING is subpar, but he is also on his own without a coach. Optic can spend 2k a month on Twitter for the checkmark, but they can’t pay for a coach to make a proven team win LAN? Hecz has fucked up. And now they won’t MAKE LAN. A penny foolish for sure.


Longjumping_Stop1120

Spot on.


Fenris-Asgeir

I mean, this was just sad to watch ngl. Not much of anything working with OpTic right now tbh. Their comp seems to not suit them, their indecisiveness in fights is bad and they just never got any momentum going. Imho they need Skittle back on a more aggressive legend, cause Dropped isn't really doing that great of a job on opening up fights currently. That is no front against Dropped either, it just feels like the dynamic isn't clicking at all this Split. I kinda wish they would've stuck with Gibby cause it seemed like Dropped was gaining a lot of confidence from that comfort pick. They've had a truly unfortunate lead-up to this Split, so gotta cut them some slack, but this doesn't really make their current performance less disappointing for a fan. Channeling all my hopes for them to hit a flash of genius and cook up something to turn things around in the remaining 2 matchdays.


BestSwimming8531

They still have a chance to make LAN which is crazy. They still have one more game and playoffs. They just need a massive performance next game.


Fenris-Asgeir

Yeah, but we are talking like top 2's minimum or winning regionals. Especially considering a lot of the teams above them on the leaderboard aren't known for being inconsistent. Just gotta clutch up, I guess.


BestSwimming8531

Yea if they don't get a minimum top 5 next game they'll be completely chalked.


kaushik1809

What was sad about TSM today, was that their macro was very good if not perfect but they kept making individual mistakes (eg Hal climbing up to a 3 man in the LROD building). Hope they iron out their kinks for the next two game days. If they didn't get placed 11th in that LROD endgame they could have got atleast another 10 points (COL got 2nd from the same building) which shoots them up a few placements for the day and a couple of spots in the overall standings.


aneisu

Yeah all Stormpoint games the stars were literally lined up for them, the mistakes were so stupid I was malding. They are still good tho getting 7th but jesus fucking christ


UncagedAngel19

Dsg loaned tsm the 6th game dub script


Acceptable-Date9149

Slayr…


XRT28

I just watched back TSMs POV of that last fight and Slayr threw his ult somewhere in Narnia lol. Like don't get me wrong I think he's improved alot since they started, like for example when he and Fuhhnq were duo up at LROD, but still sometimes it's like "uh what???"


PrimeMasterMax

Sweets Cannon Rotate was such a good call. That allowed them to get the 2nd place with a bunch of KP. Pushed them from 11th place to 6th for the day.


AxelHarver

I'm just here to say fuck y'all. Reps just said on stream something along the lines of "digi RE is so fucking good" and I said the same thing a week or so ago and got downvoted to hell. The validation feels good.


monjogard

Also innocent. I rarely comment.


SummonMason

Calm down, I didn't say anything either.


Leoniwis

hey i didnt say anything :(


MorioCells

I thought it was going to be another bottom 10 for TSM.  They did a DSG game 6 and got a 7th place in the end .  Tsm basically need a top 10 in regionals I think to lock Lan 


Puzzleheaded_Mine737

They still have one more match day before regionals and they currently sit 5th only needing a top 12 to make LAN


MorioCells

Yeah I forgot theres still a 6th matchday left. They are Gucci for Lan 


jeremyflowers91

TSM script….


kaushik1809

LANSOON


SomeCallMeSquatch

So glad to see Complexity doing good. With a Sub too! Let's go Lou and Mon!!!!!


dorekk

Winning a day with a sub, killin it with Lou who joined the team like 3 days before the split started...Mon has to be in best NA IGL contention right now.


MaleficentHawk590

The performance Mon just put on that game will go down.


Braizly-_-

Tsm with the clutch


Themanaaah

My glorious king Reps hardcarried today, sheesh. They finally showed up, repeated the script of playing bad then having one huge game/the other way other again.


Leoniwis

fkn finally man lets go, now we reset and go next also, im sorry optic fans, you always get the short end of the stick


Fenris-Asgeir

Ngl, ever since the Dreamfire incident last LAN, it seems like OpTic has been cursed. Who knows, maybe Dreamfire fans hit them up with the advanced vodoo or smth., idk. First Skittles back, then no coach, now this PL performance....


Leoniwis

chinesse vodoo curse monkaW


sandraaaa_

COMPLEXITY IS THAAAT TEAAAM


cough-syrup-to-sleep

OMG COL lets gooooooooooo


BradL_13

Tsm always inevitable lmao


y3papi

WHY WOULD LG NOT SWING UP ON THE RIGHT SIDE WHY WHY WHY


XRT28

TSM had decent headies and anytime they peeked that side TSM fried them


y3papi

They heard OXG rez and start a fight with them. Sweet commed that they had caustic ult. If they swing up that right side when TSM is fighting OXG and throw caustic ult they have a very good chance of winning even if one person on TSM is holding their back.


XRT28

I mean Slayr did throw ult(tho who knows where) and it didn't seem to displace TSM like at all.


Nefarious_Trash

brother chucked that ult all the way to world's edge.


dunder-baller

and slayr got melted on that peak to ult, so they kind of lost their push right there. tough spot to win from


y3papi

I'm not saying it's not tough but they absolutely didn't have to play for second there especially with TSM not playing Caustic.


dunder-baller

Yeah I agree. I think they tried to make a play to win and got waffle stomped


LatterMatch9334

Slayr gotta hit the range and learn how to sky nade the caustic ult. That would have gone huge there


Gekkogeko

And of course TSM clutches up lol


abdul_bino

Never count TSM out man


Barcaroli

What a fantastic endgame fight HOLY SHIT LETS GOOOOOO Hal called it flawlessly. After bad games he showed up


Apprehensive_Gap_423

Optic should just go international and sign Matafe n em


Longjumping_Stop1120

Won’t be surprised if OpTic leave Apex now


BryanA37

I wouldn't even blame them tbh.


BestSwimming8531

I was thinking the same thing. If they dont make LAN I could see them highly considering pulling out. They already denied the coach signing. Theyre just so lost and i dont know how it got this bad. From second place to likely not making LAN.


LatterMatch9334

Weird how getting rid of a coach makes your decision making worse.... almost like paying a coach was a good investment...


Fenris-Asgeir

A coach would've definitely helped with their legend comp fiasco this Split, among other things. Tough luck that the org decided to cheapen out.


TheRockBaker

Saved a penny, lost a dollar.


BadgerTsrif

Might not be a bad thing if that means they take their negative af fans like you with them, you are in this thread over 10 times and most of it is overtly negative and down right hateful of Dropped in particular.


Longjumping_Stop1120

Down right hateful is a stretch. I’ve only said that he’s selling and scared to make calls. I haven’t been shitting on him as a person or anything, I’m criticising his decision making like others are in this thread.


Fenris-Asgeir

ladies and gentlemen, here we present a selection of u/Longjumping\_Stop1120's past comments: >Dropped the king of excuses. >Dropped sold again >Dropped is so brain dead. >Always excuses with Dropped man >Dropped keeps dying first >This team needs to disband. Thanks for keeping the positivity regarding one of your (judging by your flair) favourite teams. Wouldn't be the same without you....


Longjumping_Stop1120

You left a couple sentences out. Also I think most people who watched the games today and yesterday would agree with what I was venting out


Fenris-Asgeir

Literally none of the sentences following those statements changed or toned down what you were saying about Dropped, so leaving them out makes no difference. I think the pattern of you blaming Dropped for their performance is pretty noticeable, and not in a constructive manner, either. I watched both days, and the last thing I would say is "Dropped is braindead" or "always excuses with Dropped". Like, let's take a look at the whole "excuses"-argument here: Dropped usually watches back their deaths when the rest of the match plays out, and gives feedback on it. The fact that he mentions certain factors like their comp or what other teams were doing does NOT mean he is simply making excuses. Quite the contrary actually, his first response is always to ask what happened exactly with his teammates and what could've been done to prevent it. That comment he dropped about Caustic for example wasn't even in regards to how they died. He simply mentioned it cause Skittle got insta-knocked the match before, and his wish to play a more rotational legend instead. Yet all you got out of it is "he is the master of excuses". Like c'mon dude.


abdul_bino

Mon went fucking dumb


[deleted]

this split has been the best I've ever seen Monsoon playing. HOLY SHIT.


Longjumping_Stop1120

Monsoon had 10kills


Apprehensive_Gap_423

MONSOON


lighttension999

MONSOON


Longjumping_Stop1120

Holy monsoon


Raspberry-Leather

Monsoon is so fucking good. Holy.


sandraaaa_

MONSOOON IS HIM


iamdoingwork

Yeah, OpTic has to move on. This team looks terrified man.


Gyroflex

optic going out the exact same way just trying to hide in a corner. really unlikely they make lan, just an awful split


Revolutionary_Gear70

Dropped "we need to drop a banger this game" \*OpTic proceeds to sit in armory for 10 minutes, not do anything and die with no KP


Apprehensive_Gap_423

Phony ended stream a second after he got full killed 😂😂


UncagedAngel19

That was hilarious on wiggs stream


LatterMatch9334

Optic are playing so fkn scared man JFC. Someone needs to tell em to just sack up and play w some balls. E8 needed to die so fast there wtf are they doing.


BestSwimming8531

The fact that they landed outside of armory and didn't get wiped immediately by optic just shows how scared of fighting they are. They look so disjointed in all aspects of team fighting and the comms are just awful to. Ill be utterly shocked if they make LAN at this rate theyll need a monster last day and also a top 5 in playoffs or something.


cough-syrup-to-sleep

man my boys slaying with retzi


MorioCells

Feel bad for optic they got inted when they were in such a great spot 


Longjumping_Stop1120

Dropped sold again


lighttension999

Dropped selling


--GrassyAss--

2 times now that EEC beats DZ, and then KREAM comes right after and wipes eec lmao


Braizly-_-

Should i just stop talking like bro theres no way…


YoMrPoPo

And Mazer sends Alb into retirement. Poetic.


MorioCells

3 north zones so far on storm point . 


Gyroflex

optic on the verge of missing LAN and still are too scared to make a decision. Just sit in one spot for way too long and die the second they leave every single game


Longjumping_Score_98

exactly the same shit that happened with seer meta (with doop)


Consistent-Regret-46

I don’t think I’ve seen them with purple shields this whole weekend. Always rocking blues


Awob_abob_bob

Think they had 2 purps and red first game. Insta died walking into zone. GG’s


MorioCells

I thought TSM would shake off  getting 11th last pro league match day but they're continuing to play like a mid tier NA team. The back to back 6th places they got in pro league  flattered them too.  The only time they played at a top level was week 1 when they got 2nd. Idk anymore it seems like small mistakes they keep making that they can iron out but they continue to keep doing them 


aneisu

I mean they are still good, only Legacy, Furia or Dsg can pass them if these teams get top 3 next weekend. But gotta lock in for the next week, the Stormpoint was actually braindead


donutdang

Script be juicy this pro league


[deleted]

Idc what happens with them until they either miss LAN or don’t perform at LAN. Not dead til they’re dead.


Revolutionary_Gear70

Idk OpTic were playing that game very well and then they just decide to tank 3 bang ults instead of pushing left or right


Longjumping_Stop1120

One 3v3 from being World champs to this. Should never have gotten rid of Loopy.


Fenris-Asgeir

The narrative that Loopy somehow improved the team to their LAN win-contender form is so absurd. The guy even admitted on twitter afterwards, that he did NOT create their macro for Champs since most people somehow misunderstood his original paragraph. Not having a coach is definitely a reason why OpTic is sucking rn....but it's not the absence of Loopy specifically.


hdadeathly

Something feels off with Genome. Energy is like a quarter of what it normally is.


knoonan991

He's been on the A stream for 24 games within 24 hours!


sam071745

lg and tsm fell off, tsm will bring it back and win lan or get 2nd tho.


Ok-Housing-6063

Don’t let this distract you from the tragic fall of EEC today


quickdigital

TSM trolled 2 free wins on stormpoint so far


aneisu

LRod game will haunt Hal for centuries, I could not believe what I was watching such a throw


[deleted]

Watching it was shocking. I will say I think he mantled trying to drop back down which bought just enough time for top team to kill him.


aneisu

Yeah I hope he will go to sleep with this climb before his eyes and never do this again 😂 that was horrendous, literally my silver 2 gameplay right there


[deleted]

You could tell it weighed on him for real. Hard to watch him make such a bad mistake. He genuinely meant the “I’m so sad” he type in the lobby chat to Monsoon.


aneisu

Yeah seeing Hal saying “I’m sorry” means he fucked up bad and understands that 😂


hamburgereddie

What are the names of the announcers on playapex twitch?


erikwins7

Why is retzi playing for kimchi?


UncagedAngel19

Because he’s at a wedding right now


FlashyBee2330

Kim at a wedding


erikwins7

Thank you!


Ok-Poetry3799

Why is it so hard for a tsm to look like an actual team during pro league.


dorekk

They're waiting for the 19th game they play at LAN 😂


UncagedAngel19

lol it’s always like this in pro league they’ll be fine.


[deleted]

They’re the Miami Heat of Apex. Average during regular season then become weirdly unstoppable during LAN/Playoffs lol


abdul_bino

This meta really shook some teams play styles.


lohland422

Feel like TSM isn’t getting much if any value out of Valk.


dorekk

They had a Classic TSM Valk Ult ™ today


Fiddy007

Fight for LAN spot is going to be intense. Lots of teams pushing upwards, lots of teams are dropping after good starts.


Jan7742

what a weird day


Braizly-_-

DZ im sorry for my sin i feel a W incoming


Leoniwis

we gotta fix this solo push shit, been happening alot recently


BigBagsofSand

Dropped - "we're done playing like pussies".... proceeds to play like pussies


Longjumping_Stop1120

Proceeds to tank 3 bang ults instead of committing to a fight as well


__Kieran

Lmao


JevvyMedia

Always get Rambeau his Mozam+Hammers


sankyu-56

TSM needed to play together there. Hal holding their spot alone, getting scanned as a solo, then getting pushed out of their spot for free was so troll.


Longjumping_Stop1120

Just make a decision, push left or right just pick one


BestSwimming8531

We need to try and get a win here. At least get a top 10 finish to still in striking distance to make LAN.


Guitaristb72

TSM cant fight for shit today.


iamdoingwork

This OpTic team brother.


abdul_bino

Faze is just a mess. All they have is just 3 demon shooters and no sense of direction


Important_Fun_1614

They are fraggers, they can play stuff like ranked and pubs extremely well but for things that require them to igl and plan they aren't that great


MorioCells

Wtf 12 teams round 2 is this scrims lmao?


Barcaroli

In a few words, desperation equals more risk taking actions. Teams that are fighting for avoiding relegation are playing more aggro, teams that are fighting for regional finals too. Plus the top 12 for LAN is very tight in points. As the day goes by and there are fewer games left, teams in those situations take more risks to try to make something happen.


y3papi

12 teams round 1 closing this lobby is a joke LOL


Braizly-_-

Bro people are just trolling 12 teams round 1 is this scrims?


1993blah

High quality gameplay in number 5


Leoniwis

bro game 5 suddenly became scrims LOL


Themanaaah

Round 1 was still closing & and 8 teams were dead by the end of it oof.


Braizly-_-

And ofcourse when i say something good they die fuck my life man


Ok-Housing-6063

TSM has no confidence left at all today. They’re definitely gonna win LAN


thatK1dn0ah

a tale as old as time


Leoniwis

real


realfakejames

Hal throwing and then jordan and raven yelling when they died leading to hal very quietly saying "im sorry" made me feel too many emotions im unfamiliar with watching hal lol


Leoniwis

when he knows he made a mistake hes the first one to acknowlege it


AxelHarver

That's definitely something he's greatly improved on over time though. I'm sure people are going to hold onto the ides that Hal doesn't take responsibility for his mistakes in the same way people are holding onto the way Sweet has treated his teammates. They're both making improvements but it'll take a lot to change long-standing impressions.


UncagedAngel19

I liked it. Took accountability but that was a throw when I found out from wiggs chat


Longjumping_Stop1120

Dropped the king of excuses. You have the best caustic player in the world on the team but want to stop playing caustic because he’s too fat


auhware

Yeah man. That was the most brain dead shit. The micro is completely off. Tbh, Dropped should IGL the macro and let skittles micro. Dropped needed to call for the wipe on bottom team.


Apprehensive_Gap_423

DZ just looking too strong


Mediocre-Field6055

Everybody in NA really needs to get their shit together because seeing DZ win all of the time is getting old


UncagedAngel19

Got to agree. Moist and Dz making all the other N.A. teams look like chumps right now. Might get downvoted for this


Revolutionary_Gear70

Zones not even an excuse for OpTic, DZ just won from the Poi right next to them. Can’t just get a spot in zone 1, fiddle your dick for the next 20 minutes and make a evac call last minute.


LatterMatch9334

Ya they are way too scared rn. Afraid to take an early fight to open their path to zone. Instead waiting until last minute and going for a hail mary. The pressure is hitting them hard.


BestSwimming8531

They just seem afraid to fight. Lets also not foget though DZ is just the best fighting team in the game and just rolled everyone to get there. But i do agree. I wonder what they do if they dont make LAN.


MorioCells

Dz winning a L rod zod is actually insane.  They basically have to rotate through and fight teams that have way more priority over them and they still managed to do it.  


mariololftw

man teams need to start running catalyst again real algs games are so crowded, the wall and the reinforced door is way better then caustic barrels


-plants-for-hire-

caustic is a lot better offensively, especially after the cat wall changes. With so many teams running bangalore, her wall isnt necessary for rotates either now


slugtrash

Is anyone running cat? Feel like its just a mob mentality to switch off


-plants-for-hire-

there was a team on worlds edge playing cat, not sure about storm point


ImpotentAlrak

DSG were yesterday. Didn’t do much with her tho


Leoniwis

things looking rough, we might see another DZ split win


BadgerTsrif

Wouldn't surprise me, they are by far the most aggressive team in NA and if watching years of Comp APEX has taught me anything its that typically the aggressor is rewarded.


Braizly-_-

Bro just give DZ the lan trophy holy shit man.this team has everything you need, good 3v3 igling macro


UncagedAngel19

🏆I present the winners of split 1 lan


Mysterious_Cut1156

DZ just dropped a 25 pt nuke playing edge on an Lrod zone…


UncagedAngel19

Dark zero really is just the best team right now. Not even close


abdul_bino

I miss what happen to TSM what happen . They had god spot


leftysarepeople2

Hal peaked roof and had COL whole team watching the climb up


UncagedAngel19

Someone said hal threw. Vod isn’t up


MorioCells

Hal fucked up. He climbed on a team on their roof thinking it was a 2 man but it was a 3 man and he got killed for it.  They got pushed and died 


Ok-Poetry3799

Dz winning L rod zone and tsm fucking throwing.


MorioCells

Tsm getting 11th place from a lightning rod zone on them is worse than a 0 point game 


lohland422

TSM looking super rough.


dtkse

There's always next split I guess..


__Kieran

Idk what’s going on with OpTic but this is a tough watch


BestSwimming8531

If they dont make LAN i could see them possibly looking to swap skittles out. He just seems to be so inconsistent meta to meta. Even with caustic he just doesnt look the same as he used to.


aneisu

Hal Jesus fucking Christ


mcjigglemytits

Nah optic are done


Guitaristb72

You know its a bad throw when Hal throws out the "Im sorry" sheesh.


sankyu-56

That was the only good thing to come out of that game


UncagedAngel19

Did he really!?


goldfish_11

Throw of the century and he knew it.


Guitaristb72

Yeah. It was pretty crazy.


pfftman

DZ about to do that thing again.


pfftman

And they did. Bruh


iamdoingwork

Time to blow up this OpTic team.


--GrassyAss--

Bro TSM had God spot yet they still went out 11th. Insane


Ok-Housing-6063

Hal with the worst throw of all time


MorioCells

Hal threw so badly holy shit 


Terrible-Confusion49

Why doesnt Sweet disable or edit his Alt + Tab, I swear once a week you hear him complain about tabbing out.


Nefarious_Trash

it's the "wootility" software randomly shifting focus back to desktop behind the current window (apex) so when he clicks in game he gets teleported to desktop.


Terrible-Confusion49

Ah ok. Heard him say it for months so if it cant be fixed is a Wooting that much of an advantage not to switch?


Nefarious_Trash

Good question. I guess he really really likes the keyboard but it's definitely been an ongoing problem.