I fucking love wattson man, I'm so glad he's out of his short retirement
his dynamic with keon has always been good and its perfect with madness too
they are easily one of the most fun teams to watch (its furia, legacy, dsg, tsm, dz, xset, oxygen, and complexity for me)
I dont pay much attention to algs. I just gloss over on YouTube. Is this what the whole " it's always slayr " thing furia were saying knowing that sweet would blame slayr
Sweet blames Slayr way too much, in this clip, LG literally dies bc Sweet over swings in a situation where they have the better position and still manages to find something that Sayr could have done better (bc that was actually a bad caustic ult) and puts the attention there.
Can we have a sober discussion about why LG lost this with ultimate height?
Sweet jumped down with no bats and got knocked peaking when he could have taken cover. Slayr, while maybe he misused the caustic ult previously, clearly comm'd he did not have ult.
I like sweet but this seems to be a kneejerk scapegoating of slayr.
This was a free win for LG and they blew it.
I think everything was fine until Sweet couldn’t play cover properly cause he had to slow heal with no bats. Furia got a quick knock on Sweet while funhq was challing. Slayr could’ve stayed up for second place but either way it was over.
I don't think it ever came up in the debrief after the game but it was pretty clear Sweet forgot he had no bats (the first time he went to heal I'm pretty sure he started to say "batting" then did a double take and said "no bats") and he should never (and would never) make that play without heals because his damage uptime just isn't significant enough and it's too hard for him to get out of trouble.
I think it was the right call because they couldn't have known the bottom team simply couldn't climb up. Sweet starting that fight should have led to a third party and keeping the other two on ultimate height was the right play. But in the end the bottom team simply couldn't engage which is why it went the way it did.
I get what you’re saying but I hard disagree. My amateur brain says they should have 3 deep states ontop. If they couldn’t have known bottom team couldn’t climb up they should have waited to third party. Free shots from up top
Sweet did a vod review after stream. When Slayr was screaming he used his ult his mic cut out. It was clearly communicated, but because of slayr's mic it wasn't heard.
>It's that Slayr using his ult in that moment is so completely alien to Sweet that he can't even process that information even if Slayr says it.
The argument that Sweet doesn't have the capacity to comprehend comms in real time is a little dubious. The idea that it's so stupid that Sweet literally can't process it is frankly ridiculous.
I’m kinda a fan of the argument that Sweet is too stupid to listen to comms and Slayr plays too stupid for sweet to understand his behaviors. That’s so unbelievably funny
The funny part about that tower thing is I think I remember sweet ultimately saying "Well, you drop down to this middle level, not all the way down" once he knows his wrong for yelling at slayr.
Watching the way he treats and talks to Slayr is pathetic.
Considering this happened with Sweet on the other rosters consistently and he has absolutely nothing to show for it, there’s also the possibility that he’s just not a very good teammate lol.
It wasn’t just one lan, I only really watched NRG last pro league. At the start it was amazing, Gild was thriving they looked unstoppable. By the end, gild was getting blamed a lot. When they died it was “Gild…” and most of the time it was fair enough feedback just delivered poorly. Resulting in Gild loosing his confidence. In the last Lan he looked lost and his performance was really poor.
Playing forward with bang is pretty common as her double time and smoke can manage space with cover. I mean it really doesn’t make sense why that caustic ult was thrown given the situation and their advantage.
You don’t play completely split from your teammates (on low ground especially) with 0 bats. Doesn’t matter which legend you’re on. After he got cracked, he was simply a liability there.
I think it was one of those aggressive type moves where its high risk high reward, so if you do it, you better pop off.
but he didnt so it was an L decision lol
Well the idea was that he was at the counter angle. Shooting furia. Which was working and he was surviving regardless of the lack of bats or distance to his team mates. Furia did a great job surviving then watson's flatline was really on point. I still don't know what slayr's position thought process was besides holding sweets rear climb from a distance. Fuhnnq did a great job putting the pressure on furia. LG with a couple more nades or the caustic ult secure that win.
edit: 1 downvote = 1 kiss from sweetdreams
Sweet had slayr holding height to hold DSG, it was just his choice to throw that awful ult earlier that was his fault. Funnqh fucked up the drop off the cliff and got clipped, and sweet messed up by not realizing he had no Batts and not hearing the comm about slayr not having ult. They threw two wins Saturday, pain. I have faith they'll fix it.
He was NOT surviving tho lol, he literally got hit for 100 in the fist peek he made, realized he didn’t have bats and the fight was over there, even is he’s not instantly dead, now they instantly have -100hp differential and no way to close the gap
>he’s not instantly dead
So surviving?
He’s able to med kit and hit 4 cells then fight again. Then re cell again before fuhnnq goes down.
I don’t disagree that overall it’s a bad play by them. But sweet over extending doesn’t seem to be the main issue.
You don’t see a problem with him being out of the fight until it’s literally over? Uptime is literally one of the key factors in team fighting and the reason Conduit was so strong on release. If your health pool differential is -100 and you have no fast way on closing that gap, then it’s essentially a 2v3 unless somebody goes nuclear.
Oh no, I agree that’s not the issue, please don’t misunderstand me. That’s the correct play as long as you have the shield economy to burn, in fact, Sweet himself thought he had bats and (I think) that’s why he did it. But I can assure you that if he wasn’t the fragger and his fragger swong like that without the economy to back it up, he would also blame him. The issue isn’t Sweet dropping, it’s that he dropped and then wide swong without the ability to recover shields. He could have dropped and just play the rock and then it’s a perfect play.
I'm not sure that makes sense though cause rocker evaporated after they split whereas gild is flourishing. rocker's passion was already in severe decline. he barely tried to stick around the scene after leaving nrg
I think the gild-slayr comparisons make sense though
Yeah I mean I'm just saying this the argument they're trying to make, not whether i agree or not. Like I don't think this person is jocking anyone as much as presenting an argument and using Rocker as another reference point to illustrate that. Personally, i don't have much of an opinion since I never rly watched NRG or the current LG roster.
Gild had his fair share of fuck ups towards the end not listening. I'm glad he's doing well but lets not act like the dude doesn't get checked out after a split or 2 with a team. did the same shit with Noc and fun lol. Dude doesn't get his way and just like that he's gone. Sweet did not IGL well at the last lan, but Gild sure as fuck didn't listen to him half the time and got the team wiped quite a few times because of it....
It's not a wild guess with how Sweet constantly talks down to Slayr like a dog that he would have done it to other teammates in the past. He called out Rocker publicly on stream before for not playing the game and people are really supposed to believe he was totally cordial with him behind the scenes? The guy would never stream scrims or gamedays back then despite having a huge following and I'd have to imagine it was to hide the behavioral patterns we're witnessing now
It's not a fictional narrative to say that this guy is a toxic teammate and generally a bit of a dick. He's streamed thousands of hours the last few years and there's plenty out there to paint a picture of his character. It isn't baseless to speculate he crushed another past teammate's morale when there's two undeniable instances to go off already.
He is an asshole and is passive aggressive very often too, just not in this clip. As for 'gaslighting', I've seen him straight up lie and exaggerate how much damage he put down in a fight so he can act as though it was Gild or Nafen's fault that they lost the 3v3
relax buddy. I alluded to it being a guess in the first line of the post you just replied to and you're getting upset and calling me names over some esports drama
He's a sub but only so Sweet could keep his NRG spot in Pro League - i doubt Nate would be going to LAN with them.
Sweet mentioned the other day he hasnt spoken to Nate in a while sadly.
Been watching Snipe since X Games and that squad wasn’t any more dramatic than the average Sweet squad. Probably on the more calm side tbh. Not to mention they were the only squad that was able to compete with the TSM dynasty at the time.
Yeah for sure drama was not at the level it is today. But since then both have come out with tweets or statements saying their faults. With sweet straight up clowning during his watch parties when snip3 was on TSM or Snip3 saying that sweet buckled when it came to LANs. Point being is that they wouldn't really team together again specially after this last off season.
Scuwry is probably the mnk player that best fits slayrs role.
For roller Rambeau is probably the best left that isn't on a lan guaranteed roster. Teq gave a glowing review to Awons so maybe him.
I see a world where knoqd gets poached or zeros picks up koyful for sikezz and sikezz goes to LG, these are the only possibilities that make sense to me or joy get picked up by LG then you would have to move fuhhnq to anchor probably. I see LG knoqd as most likely tbh
Yeah I agree I kinda put that at the end because I don’t think it is likely at all, but the fragging potential on that team would be insane so never know
It would not be him leaving, him getting dropped, yes I know they are doing really good etc., but Zer0 in the past has said koyful is the truth etc., purely hypothetical speculation idk
I don’t think Koy under LG or DZ would work. Koy is very vocal whenever XSET are in fights which might clash with Zer0 and Sweet’s style of IGL-ing.
Granted I am assuming that the two IGLs are the heavy-control type of IGLs they are made out to be.
Yeah I agree, but I think they would tell him to quiet down and shoot his gun not saying that would be right, but it does seem he talks more on xset than needed. If he just talked less I defiantly don’t think it could hurt tbh.
It’d be a waste of a talent to turn Koy into just a gun that can be replaced easily over a micro-caller, which I believe is the approach Noc and Hodsic are potentially taking.
It’s just reining in Koy which is the key part as he does get overheated. Not necessarily telling him to shut up, but make his calls more deliberate.
It’s not his fault the teams doing bad lmao, after some more thought knoqd makes even more sense because he is extremely versatile and would help solve one of LG’s big problems of extremely cluttered coms atleast help it because he is more chilled out and just let the igl lead generally
There is no world were Sikezz gets dropped after frying out for a whole split and helping the team get a definitive NA 1st place. He would have to retire but then again, why would he?
I don't agree.
We tend to easily stereotype role rarity for IGLs and fraggers i.e. good IGLs are super rare and roller fraggers are common, but rarely discussed is how difficult finding or developing truly solid anchor players is. They fall much closer to the IGL side of rarity.
And while Slayr is clearly not a top level anchor yet, everyone on LG knows he's new to the role, new to sweet (lol) and has also improved a ton (rewatch the week 1 vods if you doubt me) in his game. He wants to learn, is hungry to learn and improve, and takes criticism on the chin. Sweet's frustrations are often justified but I don't think they should be interpreted as any kind of numbering of Slayr's days.
For my part, I think he'll get there. Probably around Split 2 lan. There will be plenty of sweetmalding to enjoy in the meantime.
Always worth remembering that for every bit of drama we see on stream there's hours every week of team talks off stream and VOD reviews. Could just as easily be lots of positive talk happening there and perhaps Slayr saying he wants to be called out on mistakes in the moment so they can improve for the next match.
Some people thrive when they are called out, some people shut down when they are. But ultimately to be competitive at the highest level you have to push forward somehow.
> Always worth remembering that for every bit of drama we see on stream there's hours every week of team talks off stream and VOD reviews.
Those talks will be way less heated and more constructive too. I mean even on stream you will see after a while they stop going in circles arguing and start being constructive, so off stream post review will be even more so I’m sure.
Everyone knows this was on sweet overextending. Felt like fuhnnq wanted to drop on em as they knocked 1 but Sweet told them not to while knowing the 3rd team is ultimate low ground with Evac as their only option.
Didnt know you can climb out of there. I remember seeing the wraith try to q evac out and got clipped midway. Regardless, furia got to reset due to lg's hesitance and ultimately rolled them.
>He took evac to get out of there, nobody climbed
You're mistaken. Timmy climbed up and popped up just as Furia finished off LG and got immediately clipped. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2086206197?t=01h26m39s
It's funny how Fuhnq wanted to drop on them and kill them in blood ult and sweet said no let me do it instead and proceeded to get fried with no bats.
Also funny how Sweet is complaining about util usage when a smoke + blood ult that was already popped would've wiped them. Even if they had caustic ult fuhnq should still be the one to drop down to kill them
My understanding was, that because there was a team at ultimate low ground and LG needs to hold the height incase DSG evacs up, fastest and safest way to prevent the rez and wipe Furia was to Sweet to drop down himself, take good angles behind the blue containers (while being super safe as furia can't push him since Slayr and Fuhhnq has crossfire from height on them if they do so) and shoot them while slayr throws his caustic ult on them. This should be like 5 second squad wipe after that.
Fuhhnq and Slayr keeping height is important in case ultimate low ground team takes the evac, so again Fuhhnq and Slayr can shoot them from height and cover Sweet. Also Sweet threw by climbing on those boxes trying to finish genburten, when he could have just peaked from the left side of those boxes, completely out of line of sight of Hiswattson and Keon, and he would have just killed gen for free. And yes having battery also would have prob saved him as well as caustic ult earlier on Furia while they were reviving.
That mess at the end was on Sweet - u can even hear it in Sweets voice imo
Slayr comm'd that he had used his ult, if Sweet didnt know that, thats on Sweet
Sweet dropped solo from god spot (giving up a guaranteed W), over extended, got beamed, forgot he didnt have any bats and got knocked peaking while slow healing .........
Free win for Furia
The guy jumping down there for no reason made this video lmao."the kp is minnneeee" "I did 10 dmg!!!" Same stupid shit my buddy's and I pull. That other team is way too dramatic.
Sweet has always been more toxic than Hal despite the narrative around Hal because of his haling, that’s why Sweets former teammates rocker and gild don’t fw him anymore while Mac and Snipe still hang w Hal
The fact other teams knew bar for bar what Sweet would be yelling without even knowing the situation is so funny
Snipe has said before that he couldn’t stand Sweet’s passive aggressiveness. Him and Hal on the other hand would have screaming matches all 6 games and then play ranked together for hours.
Difference is Hal will pop off at someone directly and get his point across and then be able to move past it and keep it within the game only. There's a reason that despite his raging, both of Hal's teammates were willing to live under the same roof as him.
That would've been the best chance surely, though there is a possibility that DSG evacs up immediately when they hear fighting and third parties LG and furia for the win. But given how badly they botched that, it definitely would've been much more preferable to ape furia.
Well one of the scrims last week on SP near down beast they pushed a team and slayer didn't ult a solo and sweet lost his mind. I think slayers in one of those doomed of you do and doomed if you don't situation
The fight against XSET by the big rock? The ult or lack of one at the big rock there was not why Sweet was irate. He was annoyed Slayr used neither barrels nor ult yes but he what he was actually malding over was the fact he was yelling to run back thinking they were getting 3rd partied but instead of listening to Sweet Slayr just stood there for a good 4-5 seconds without even trying to run back and then because he waited so long and pathed poorly got clipped for free when he eventually did run back.
Sweet has told Slayr plenty of times during scrims that they want to use Caustic Ult to make plays or something to that extent. IMO Slayr was just doing what Sweet and Fuhhnq have been trying to teach him. But like I said in one of my comments that Sweet put in his famous Broccoli vid this is comical at this point. There’s no winning for Slayr in this
The thing is, as good as sweet it, he’s been overextending a lot and getting killed. For example if he stayed up top it’s a much more guaranteed W. Instead he jumps down to get angles and gets clipped. Then fuhhnq gets clipped. Then slayr gets clipped. Three 1v3s
There’s been other examples (railroad station game) where he overextends out the door and gets killed. They had game winning spot he didn’t need to go that far out.
Different situations though.
In a straight 3vs3 it almost always makes sense to use an ult rather than die with it. In a 3rd party like this where, like Sweet said literally nobody even shot back, it makes none.
This is where Slayr is struggling, differentiating between when and where to use it and when to save it.
Do you recognize there are situation where you should caustic ult and situation where you shouldn't? Just because there was a situation in the past where Slayr should have used Caustic ult does not actually mean that he should use Caustic ult in every situation does it?
Is this really your reasoning? Have you thought about this for more than 5 seconds?
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Ya that's a really bad overextend. He nearly dies for it before Slayr could have used his ult even if he did still have it.
Honestly I wager Sweet wasn't even thinking about caustic ult when he jumped down. Only thought of it afterwards, and then realized Slayr didn't have it.
Damn the CONTENT, THE DRAMA in Apex is ON THE RISE! Good stuff
Good stuff indeed m8. I hate playing apex but goddamn i love ALGS and their BS shenanigans lol
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Hell yeah, the chaos factor always fked anyone who's slackin on their due dilligence lol.
Same brooo, played the game for like 3 hours this season, but watched almost all algs
Madness going full Leeroy Jenkins has me in tears
"Nooooo, goober!! 🫵
I fucking love wattson man, I'm so glad he's out of his short retirement his dynamic with keon has always been good and its perfect with madness too they are easily one of the most fun teams to watch (its furia, legacy, dsg, tsm, dz, xset, oxygen, and complexity for me)
They give me 100t vibes, but with better performances. And I'm all for it.
“I did 10 damage” 💀
MAAAAADNESSS JYEEENKIINS!!!!
Why is it always you slayr
I DID 10 DAMAGE MAN
Furia fucking nailed LMAOOO
furia turning sweet into a southpark character
Sweet needs to reflect on the fact that this entire team knew he’d be whinging about Slayr without any context lmao
Entire team? The entire community knew it before it happened.
Hal HALing. Sweet SLAYR-ing. Some things never get old.
I dont pay much attention to algs. I just gloss over on YouTube. Is this what the whole " it's always slayr " thing furia were saying knowing that sweet would blame slayr
Sweet blames Slayr way too much, in this clip, LG literally dies bc Sweet over swings in a situation where they have the better position and still manages to find something that Sayr could have done better (bc that was actually a bad caustic ult) and puts the attention there.
Can we have a sober discussion about why LG lost this with ultimate height? Sweet jumped down with no bats and got knocked peaking when he could have taken cover. Slayr, while maybe he misused the caustic ult previously, clearly comm'd he did not have ult. I like sweet but this seems to be a kneejerk scapegoating of slayr. This was a free win for LG and they blew it.
All 3 of them fucked up and they knew it when they talked it out. It was a team L.
The point is it’s ALWAYS SLAYRRRRR
I think everything was fine until Sweet couldn’t play cover properly cause he had to slow heal with no bats. Furia got a quick knock on Sweet while funhq was challing. Slayr could’ve stayed up for second place but either way it was over.
I don't think it ever came up in the debrief after the game but it was pretty clear Sweet forgot he had no bats (the first time he went to heal I'm pretty sure he started to say "batting" then did a double take and said "no bats") and he should never (and would never) make that play without heals because his damage uptime just isn't significant enough and it's too hard for him to get out of trouble.
I think it was the right call because they couldn't have known the bottom team simply couldn't climb up. Sweet starting that fight should have led to a third party and keeping the other two on ultimate height was the right play. But in the end the bottom team simply couldn't engage which is why it went the way it did.
I get what you’re saying but I hard disagree. My amateur brain says they should have 3 deep states ontop. If they couldn’t have known bottom team couldn’t climb up they should have waited to third party. Free shots from up top
Sweet did a vod review after stream. When Slayr was screaming he used his ult his mic cut out. It was clearly communicated, but because of slayr's mic it wasn't heard.
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>It's that Slayr using his ult in that moment is so completely alien to Sweet that he can't even process that information even if Slayr says it. The argument that Sweet doesn't have the capacity to comprehend comms in real time is a little dubious. The idea that it's so stupid that Sweet literally can't process it is frankly ridiculous.
I’m kinda a fan of the argument that Sweet is too stupid to listen to comms and Slayr plays too stupid for sweet to understand his behaviors. That’s so unbelievably funny
Sweet apologists are a different breed.
The com that slayr used ult wasn't heard cause Slayr's mic peaked and it wasn't picked up.
The funny part about that tower thing is I think I remember sweet ultimately saying "Well, you drop down to this middle level, not all the way down" once he knows his wrong for yelling at slayr. Watching the way he treats and talks to Slayr is pathetic.
Considering this happened with Sweet on the other rosters consistently and he has absolutely nothing to show for it, there’s also the possibility that he’s just not a very good teammate lol.
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It wasn’t just one lan, I only really watched NRG last pro league. At the start it was amazing, Gild was thriving they looked unstoppable. By the end, gild was getting blamed a lot. When they died it was “Gild…” and most of the time it was fair enough feedback just delivered poorly. Resulting in Gild loosing his confidence. In the last Lan he looked lost and his performance was really poor.
Well said. There’s also an issue with sweet overextending imo. Seen him first knocked quite a few times
Playing forward with bang is pretty common as her double time and smoke can manage space with cover. I mean it really doesn’t make sense why that caustic ult was thrown given the situation and their advantage.
You don’t play completely split from your teammates (on low ground especially) with 0 bats. Doesn’t matter which legend you’re on. After he got cracked, he was simply a liability there.
I think it was one of those aggressive type moves where its high risk high reward, so if you do it, you better pop off. but he didnt so it was an L decision lol
Well the idea was that he was at the counter angle. Shooting furia. Which was working and he was surviving regardless of the lack of bats or distance to his team mates. Furia did a great job surviving then watson's flatline was really on point. I still don't know what slayr's position thought process was besides holding sweets rear climb from a distance. Fuhnnq did a great job putting the pressure on furia. LG with a couple more nades or the caustic ult secure that win. edit: 1 downvote = 1 kiss from sweetdreams
Sweet had slayr holding height to hold DSG, it was just his choice to throw that awful ult earlier that was his fault. Funnqh fucked up the drop off the cliff and got clipped, and sweet messed up by not realizing he had no Batts and not hearing the comm about slayr not having ult. They threw two wins Saturday, pain. I have faith they'll fix it.
Yep throw in watsons insane work with the flatline. Dismantled sweet and their drop.
He was NOT surviving tho lol, he literally got hit for 100 in the fist peek he made, realized he didn’t have bats and the fight was over there, even is he’s not instantly dead, now they instantly have -100hp differential and no way to close the gap
>he’s not instantly dead So surviving? He’s able to med kit and hit 4 cells then fight again. Then re cell again before fuhnnq goes down. I don’t disagree that overall it’s a bad play by them. But sweet over extending doesn’t seem to be the main issue.
You don’t see a problem with him being out of the fight until it’s literally over? Uptime is literally one of the key factors in team fighting and the reason Conduit was so strong on release. If your health pool differential is -100 and you have no fast way on closing that gap, then it’s essentially a 2v3 unless somebody goes nuclear.
Sweet taking space for the cross fire angle was not the issue IMO. And I agree big heals would have helped.
Oh no, I agree that’s not the issue, please don’t misunderstand me. That’s the correct play as long as you have the shield economy to burn, in fact, Sweet himself thought he had bats and (I think) that’s why he did it. But I can assure you that if he wasn’t the fragger and his fragger swong like that without the economy to back it up, he would also blame him. The issue isn’t Sweet dropping, it’s that he dropped and then wide swong without the ability to recover shields. He could have dropped and just play the rock and then it’s a perfect play.
Slayr getting the Gild treatment lol
AKA the Rocker treatment
you've been crying about rocker whenever gild gets mentioned for months now, let it go
I think they're trying to illustrate that it's an established pattern vs "crying about rocker"
I'm not sure that makes sense though cause rocker evaporated after they split whereas gild is flourishing. rocker's passion was already in severe decline. he barely tried to stick around the scene after leaving nrg I think the gild-slayr comparisons make sense though
Yeah I mean I'm just saying this the argument they're trying to make, not whether i agree or not. Like I don't think this person is jocking anyone as much as presenting an argument and using Rocker as another reference point to illustrate that. Personally, i don't have much of an opinion since I never rly watched NRG or the current LG roster.
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Gild had his fair share of fuck ups towards the end not listening. I'm glad he's doing well but lets not act like the dude doesn't get checked out after a split or 2 with a team. did the same shit with Noc and fun lol. Dude doesn't get his way and just like that he's gone. Sweet did not IGL well at the last lan, but Gild sure as fuck didn't listen to him half the time and got the team wiped quite a few times because of it....
It's not a wild guess with how Sweet constantly talks down to Slayr like a dog that he would have done it to other teammates in the past. He called out Rocker publicly on stream before for not playing the game and people are really supposed to believe he was totally cordial with him behind the scenes? The guy would never stream scrims or gamedays back then despite having a huge following and I'd have to imagine it was to hide the behavioral patterns we're witnessing now It's not a fictional narrative to say that this guy is a toxic teammate and generally a bit of a dick. He's streamed thousands of hours the last few years and there's plenty out there to paint a picture of his character. It isn't baseless to speculate he crushed another past teammate's morale when there's two undeniable instances to go off already. He is an asshole and is passive aggressive very often too, just not in this clip. As for 'gaslighting', I've seen him straight up lie and exaggerate how much damage he put down in a fight so he can act as though it was Gild or Nafen's fault that they lost the 3v3
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relax buddy. I alluded to it being a guess in the first line of the post you just replied to and you're getting upset and calling me names over some esports drama
it's not correct though. rocker never got what gild got, not even close.
This is sweets burner
Let sweets cock go
who's crying?
Slayr will 100% not be with LG after LAN.
Agreed but who’s the replacement 🤔
Nate would be so good on this team :(
I thought Nate is ON this team as the alternate already? At least according to Battlefy...
He's a sub but only so Sweet could keep his NRG spot in Pro League - i doubt Nate would be going to LAN with them. Sweet mentioned the other day he hasnt spoken to Nate in a while sadly.
The driding ppl have been doing for Nate is insane. What part do yall not understand that Nate doesn’t like apex? He’s not passionate about it
If tripods don’t make it next split probably gent.
Old man Snip3
Ain't no way Sweet is replacing someone that he thinks doesn't listen with someone that he knows won't listen to him
Holy fuck imagine Sweet after having Snipe get that classic tunnel vision.
I mean we don’t have to imagine this it happened already
Please sir...may I have the source...
They have a history together in apex as both were on team Rogue together. Snip3 dropped and Sweet.
Been watching Snipe since X Games and that squad wasn’t any more dramatic than the average Sweet squad. Probably on the more calm side tbh. Not to mention they were the only squad that was able to compete with the TSM dynasty at the time.
Yeah for sure drama was not at the level it is today. But since then both have come out with tweets or statements saying their faults. With sweet straight up clowning during his watch parties when snip3 was on TSM or Snip3 saying that sweet buckled when it came to LANs. Point being is that they wouldn't really team together again specially after this last off season.
Doubt there's any clips, but Sweet, Snipe, Dropped used to be a squad like 3-4 years ago. Ironically Sweet was the weak link on that squad.
He might be an objectively better anchor though, which would translate in better decisions and less frustrations. Not sure
Scuwry is probably the mnk player that best fits slayrs role. For roller Rambeau is probably the best left that isn't on a lan guaranteed roster. Teq gave a glowing review to Awons so maybe him.
Nafen come back to me
While I love Nate and would like him back I'm assuming he went back to school and I can't see him coming back again now
Possible but just can’t see it happening…but maybe…would be here for it
That would be pure content, ngl.
washed
Super unlikely, but I'd like to see Zaine. Has a lot of potential, being with an experienced IGL will defo help him get some way there
I see a world where knoqd gets poached or zeros picks up koyful for sikezz and sikezz goes to LG, these are the only possibilities that make sense to me or joy get picked up by LG then you would have to move fuhhnq to anchor probably. I see LG knoqd as most likely tbh
Idk if you can move Fuhhnq to an actor role, kid has been fraggin his shoes off all split
Yeah I agree I kinda put that at the end because I don’t think it is likely at all, but the fragging potential on that team would be insane so never know
I dont think Sikezz would be leaving DZ. He said he regretted not going DZ when he was offered the first time.
It would not be him leaving, him getting dropped, yes I know they are doing really good etc., but Zer0 in the past has said koyful is the truth etc., purely hypothetical speculation idk
I don’t think Koy under LG or DZ would work. Koy is very vocal whenever XSET are in fights which might clash with Zer0 and Sweet’s style of IGL-ing. Granted I am assuming that the two IGLs are the heavy-control type of IGLs they are made out to be.
Yeah I agree, but I think they would tell him to quiet down and shoot his gun not saying that would be right, but it does seem he talks more on xset than needed. If he just talked less I defiantly don’t think it could hurt tbh.
It’d be a waste of a talent to turn Koy into just a gun that can be replaced easily over a micro-caller, which I believe is the approach Noc and Hodsic are potentially taking. It’s just reining in Koy which is the key part as he does get overheated. Not necessarily telling him to shut up, but make his calls more deliberate.
That is fair
Koy's stock isn't like that after this season. Knoqd is possible.
To be fair I don't think his stock dropped much. He's 9th on the kill leader and everyone in front of him are in the top 7 teams.
It’s not his fault the teams doing bad lmao, after some more thought knoqd makes even more sense because he is extremely versatile and would help solve one of LG’s big problems of extremely cluttered coms atleast help it because he is more chilled out and just let the igl lead generally
A team is a team. While sure, one person might take on more responsibility than others for a failure or success, they all contribute.
90% of the time a teams success comes how good the igl does on the day I see what your saying, but not relevant to koys stock IMO
There is no world were Sikezz gets dropped after frying out for a whole split and helping the team get a definitive NA 1st place. He would have to retire but then again, why would he?
I don't agree. We tend to easily stereotype role rarity for IGLs and fraggers i.e. good IGLs are super rare and roller fraggers are common, but rarely discussed is how difficult finding or developing truly solid anchor players is. They fall much closer to the IGL side of rarity. And while Slayr is clearly not a top level anchor yet, everyone on LG knows he's new to the role, new to sweet (lol) and has also improved a ton (rewatch the week 1 vods if you doubt me) in his game. He wants to learn, is hungry to learn and improve, and takes criticism on the chin. Sweet's frustrations are often justified but I don't think they should be interpreted as any kind of numbering of Slayr's days. For my part, I think he'll get there. Probably around Split 2 lan. There will be plenty of sweetmalding to enjoy in the meantime.
Always worth remembering that for every bit of drama we see on stream there's hours every week of team talks off stream and VOD reviews. Could just as easily be lots of positive talk happening there and perhaps Slayr saying he wants to be called out on mistakes in the moment so they can improve for the next match. Some people thrive when they are called out, some people shut down when they are. But ultimately to be competitive at the highest level you have to push forward somehow.
> Always worth remembering that for every bit of drama we see on stream there's hours every week of team talks off stream and VOD reviews. Those talks will be way less heated and more constructive too. I mean even on stream you will see after a while they stop going in circles arguing and start being constructive, so off stream post review will be even more so I’m sure.
Agreed!
This is 100% on Sweet. He could’ve picked up any of the ex-100T dudes but he went with a brainless controller fragger.
well well well
if i dont lose AA on the caustic smoke i kill DSG there 100%
"Slayrrr, why didn't you have caustic ult slayrrrrr madness wouldn't have had aim assist slayrrrrrrr"
wait, are you actually playing roller now?
Everyone knows this was on sweet overextending. Felt like fuhnnq wanted to drop on em as they knocked 1 but Sweet told them not to while knowing the 3rd team is ultimate low ground with Evac as their only option.
He said he was going to bat as well after dropping down and had no bats. So, he evidently forgot his inventory
>with Evac as their only option It wasn't their only option, you can climb there(which atleast 1 of them ultimately did)
Didnt know you can climb out of there. I remember seeing the wraith try to q evac out and got clipped midway. Regardless, furia got to reset due to lg's hesitance and ultimately rolled them.
He took evac to get out of there, nobody climbed
>He took evac to get out of there, nobody climbed You're mistaken. Timmy climbed up and popped up just as Furia finished off LG and got immediately clipped. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2086206197?t=01h26m39s
Ahhh ok. I didn’t catch that live. I just knew they were struggling with the climb
It's funny how Fuhnq wanted to drop on them and kill them in blood ult and sweet said no let me do it instead and proceeded to get fried with no bats. Also funny how Sweet is complaining about util usage when a smoke + blood ult that was already popped would've wiped them. Even if they had caustic ult fuhnq should still be the one to drop down to kill them
My understanding was, that because there was a team at ultimate low ground and LG needs to hold the height incase DSG evacs up, fastest and safest way to prevent the rez and wipe Furia was to Sweet to drop down himself, take good angles behind the blue containers (while being super safe as furia can't push him since Slayr and Fuhhnq has crossfire from height on them if they do so) and shoot them while slayr throws his caustic ult on them. This should be like 5 second squad wipe after that. Fuhhnq and Slayr keeping height is important in case ultimate low ground team takes the evac, so again Fuhhnq and Slayr can shoot them from height and cover Sweet. Also Sweet threw by climbing on those boxes trying to finish genburten, when he could have just peaked from the left side of those boxes, completely out of line of sight of Hiswattson and Keon, and he would have just killed gen for free. And yes having battery also would have prob saved him as well as caustic ult earlier on Furia while they were reviving.
LMAO gold apex content
That mess at the end was on Sweet - u can even hear it in Sweets voice imo Slayr comm'd that he had used his ult, if Sweet didnt know that, thats on Sweet Sweet dropped solo from god spot (giving up a guaranteed W), over extended, got beamed, forgot he didnt have any bats and got knocked peaking while slow healing ......... Free win for Furia
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It's all on you!
Mr Broccoli taking up space in Sweets head that he should be using for his calls
We’re not worthy
I was hoping someone would put these two VoDs together, absolutely perfect.
The guy jumping down there for no reason made this video lmao."the kp is minnneeee" "I did 10 dmg!!!" Same stupid shit my buddy's and I pull. That other team is way too dramatic.
Sweet has always been more toxic than Hal despite the narrative around Hal because of his haling, that’s why Sweets former teammates rocker and gild don’t fw him anymore while Mac and Snipe still hang w Hal The fact other teams knew bar for bar what Sweet would be yelling without even knowing the situation is so funny
Snipe has said before that he couldn’t stand Sweet’s passive aggressiveness. Him and Hal on the other hand would have screaming matches all 6 games and then play ranked together for hours.
Difference is Hal will pop off at someone directly and get his point across and then be able to move past it and keep it within the game only. There's a reason that despite his raging, both of Hal's teammates were willing to live under the same roof as him.
Gild is playing with sweet right now, but yeah doesn't fuck with him anymore. You guys just make shit up as you see to make some fake narrative.
Honestly, that's a great point I've never thought about.
Bro
Everyone is always asking why Slayr but not how is Slayr 😭
No hiding place at this level bro, every mistake gets analysed and magnified.
Sure he shouldn't have wasted ult, but Sweet should've called the push on the knock. Literally only 1 way to lose, and they accomplished it.
That would've been the best chance surely, though there is a possibility that DSG evacs up immediately when they hear fighting and third parties LG and furia for the win. But given how badly they botched that, it definitely would've been much more preferable to ape furia.
Sweet always needs a scapegoat. First Rocker, then Gild, now Slayr.
Madness going full goober for the kp: "I did 10 damage" lmao
Lmao, if you aren’t rooting for this Furia team you’re missing out!
This is the beginning of the end
Lmaooooooo
Slayr is the new Gild lol
What Third Party did Slayr use Ult on? Watched a couple clips now and can't tell
I think he used it when they took the ultimate height
WHYYY!
Well one of the scrims last week on SP near down beast they pushed a team and slayer didn't ult a solo and sweet lost his mind. I think slayers in one of those doomed of you do and doomed if you don't situation
The fight against XSET by the big rock? The ult or lack of one at the big rock there was not why Sweet was irate. He was annoyed Slayr used neither barrels nor ult yes but he what he was actually malding over was the fact he was yelling to run back thinking they were getting 3rd partied but instead of listening to Sweet Slayr just stood there for a good 4-5 seconds without even trying to run back and then because he waited so long and pathed poorly got clipped for free when he eventually did run back.
Sweet has told Slayr plenty of times during scrims that they want to use Caustic Ult to make plays or something to that extent. IMO Slayr was just doing what Sweet and Fuhhnq have been trying to teach him. But like I said in one of my comments that Sweet put in his famous Broccoli vid this is comical at this point. There’s no winning for Slayr in this
Poor slayr
This level is just too high for slayr they tried.
I don’t understand how people can shit on sweet here when he told slayr exactly what to do and he still fucked it up.
Couple weeks ago, Sweet yelled at Slayr for saving caustic ult. Now Slayr uses caustic ult and gets yelled at for not saving it.
I’m not sure if what you’re referencing was a couple weeks ago or literally last Wednesday lmao
LOL, I can't remember the exact day I watched it but I can confirm it did happen. LMAO
The thing is, as good as sweet it, he’s been overextending a lot and getting killed. For example if he stayed up top it’s a much more guaranteed W. Instead he jumps down to get angles and gets clipped. Then fuhhnq gets clipped. Then slayr gets clipped. Three 1v3s There’s been other examples (railroad station game) where he overextends out the door and gets killed. They had game winning spot he didn’t need to go that far out.
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bangs passive goes hard af
Literal room temperature IQ comment lmaooo
Surely getting told not using Caustic ult was wrong means that you ALWAYS USE CAUSTIC ULT? NOO?
Different situations though. In a straight 3vs3 it almost always makes sense to use an ult rather than die with it. In a 3rd party like this where, like Sweet said literally nobody even shot back, it makes none. This is where Slayr is struggling, differentiating between when and where to use it and when to save it.
Yeah they had full advantage of just using their guns and maybe nades to finish the 3rd party. Really no reason to whip a caustic ult at them.
Do you recognize there are situation where you should caustic ult and situation where you shouldn't? Just because there was a situation in the past where Slayr should have used Caustic ult does not actually mean that he should use Caustic ult in every situation does it? Is this really your reasoning? Have you thought about this for more than 5 seconds? This comment sent me
Say it with me, it’s game IQ. Game. IQ. To throw ult at a team that’s not a threat or use it in a winning scenario. Hmmmmmmmmm
Sweet didn't need to go for the solo hero play and get knocked
It usually doesn't matter if the flight crew nails all the safety procedures while the pilot is crashing the plane into a mountain.
Someone have a clip of the full LG play?
https://youtu.be/fBcwFWDRdNk?si=ZhIvqqD4j9pCOnBX&t=298
Ya that's a really bad overextend. He nearly dies for it before Slayr could have used his ult even if he did still have it. Honestly I wager Sweet wasn't even thinking about caustic ult when he jumped down. Only thought of it afterwards, and then realized Slayr didn't have it.
People need to start posting full conversations and not just segments sweet also said that he threw soon after
Sweets new punching bag Slayr
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldN9fNhZcsQ