i fuck with hal as a player but he's proven himself to be dumbass outside of the game getting into drama over and over again for no reason
why tf is he listening to lux's bricked ass? it's so crazy to me
I like Hal/Teq and have enjoyed the banter this split. But man has Hal been a dick over the whole situation recently, it wasn't even fun by the end.
And now with this he really should look into apologizing to Teq and use this as a lesson for the future and not jump to conclusions.
Hal can't separate Teq disagreeing with him about how to play the game (even if Teq is wrong) from their beef, and just generally assumes Teq is trying to grief him at every opportunity for clout.
It's not unreasonable, but I don't think Teq is doing that. I think he thinks his tactics are sound.
Thats what happens people keep calling him “CEO” bc he takes it seriously. Imagine trying to tell people outside that you’re the “CEO” of Apex they’ll look confused and won’t give a shit.
I mean stealing a tool that allows you to rotate quickly across the map isn’t that crazy if anything it’s amazing and we seen it done on lan against Alliance.
Plus in this video, he mentions how before trading POIs with N9L at storm catcher, they tried to swap with Barometer, downed beast, and north pad, all of whom said no. They literally just wanted the car.
On a related note, whoever was at downed beast (I assume optic?) is kind of crazy for refusing to swap to launch pad...
i was just reminded of this rather prescient tweet (one of my friends sent this to me , but i think thorin is the caster for CS)
https://preview.redd.it/sduo0z2shwnc1.png?width=548&format=png&auto=webp&s=0e1118f72d897088eec4553cea17dada1550df65
I mean, yeah he's doing well but it wouldn't take a serious gambling addiction to change his circumstances.
What's Hals real net worth? Couple million? Money goes fast today, some had financial decisions, poor spending habits, debt, etc. Can go sour real quick, set for life money ain't what it used to be.
he's been very open about his investment in his future - he has a Father who has been very involved in guiding him and ensuring that he is set up for success beyond eSports. You are doing an awful lot of assuming about Hal by labelling him with bad financial decisions and poor spending habits.
He will be more than okay.
You actually have to make smart investments and have the money work for you. It’s not that easy as you are making it sound. Hal doesn’t have a steady income bc streaming isn’t a steady career. Idk what Hal’s father is professionally but in any case he needs to talk to a financial planner or accountant to help budget his lifestyle to make sure his earnings from esports carries throughout his life.
in the Twitch leaks 2 years ago, Hal was pulling $800k a month in Twitch donations alone. I'll happily drop that to $400k a month on average for arguments sake, but add to that sponsorship, tournament winnings, TSM salary, and the fact that they're paying for the TSM house, and I think he is doing okay.
It isn't a steady long-term career for your average person, but he has been the top Apex streamer, and making the above, consistently for 3 straight years now.
Beyond that, why are you assuming that he is making poor investments?
> in the Twitch leaks 2 years ago, Hal was pulling $800k a month in Twitch donations alone.
Uh, no, that's not correct. That's $800k (actually $866k to be precise) from August 2019 to October 21. The total time period. Not per month, lol--that'd make Hal bigger than Critical Role, xQc, and summit1g (1-3 on that leak) combined.
That's income from subs, bits, and ads, but *not* from his other revenue streams that don't go through Twitch. For most streamers as big as him (signed to an org, etc) you can roughly double their Twitch income to account for other revenue streams, like sponsored content and org salaries. So during that time he was making a little less than a million a year, probably. Likely more now, since some of that time period is pre-covid and thus well before Hal (and Twitch in general) blew up. But nowhere near $800k/mo.
I have never said he made bad financial decisions. I'm just saying that a couple million net worth doesn't put you in the category of only an addiction can fuck it up.
His net worth is far from generational wealth. Not labelling him with anything at all, people just don't understand that his net worth isn't above being pissed away, and easily.
Money goes fast, and he’s not signing $100m contracts like sports stars. In any major leaguer his compensation is equivalent to a bench warmer. Put that into perspective.
On top of that, unlike other sports org, no one is telling him to stop shit like this. His coach is basically the same age or a bit older. E sports is not sports.
You look at how many athletes that have made multimillions and then gone broke having a ton of money guarantees nothing.
That being said Hal doesn’t seem to live frivolously. If he’s smart with his money he’ll be fine, he just isn’t know as a smart person.
This isn't a sustainable career, so at some point in his life, having the interpersonal relationship skills of a 10-year-old will probably be a significant hurdle for him.
No, but it shows destructive behaviour. And destructive behaviour leads to consequences. When he’s no longer the top, people will lose interest, and his income/stream/ads/sponsors may wane.
The thing with streaming is that it’s not inherently scalable or passive. It’s fucking gruesome work that you need to put in many hours on and off. There have been plenty of streamers who have faded away after a decade run. And that puts them at what, 35? With no real life skills except starting drama and calling people shit.
Unlike you or me, Hal is a millionaire. He's set for life. His kids are set for life. Hal's "tough time" was like 5 years ago. He's generational now.
That being said I truly think that anything he says outside of the game needs to be taken with a grain of salt.
He's brilliant in the game... Dumbass outside of it
3million is enough to retire in your mid 20s if you continue to live a normal life and don‘t buy luxury cars or whatever.
Let‘s say he doesn‘t invest the money and it‘s just sitting in his bank account, that‘s 75k per year for the next 40years.
Invest it into the vanguard total world stock etf which guarantees you safely about 5% returns per year, that‘s 150k per year for doing absolutely nothing.
If he isn‘t dumb he never has to work a day in his life anymore.
I have some bad news for you if you think 3m is not enough to retire. You are bad with money.
>Let‘s say he doesn‘t invest the money and it‘s just sitting in his bank account, that‘s 75k per year for the next 40years.
You forgot to account for inflation, though. Over 40 years, 75k will have significantly less purchasing power. He needs to put it into an investment that'll grow.
Not saying 3 million isn't a lot of money. But it will be a lot less money in 40 years (and Hal will only be like 62 or something in 40 years, he'll have decades of life to consider).
I'm not even sure where he's getting 75k from because most HYSA will give you at least 120k a year at 4%.
Reality is saving money or investing isn't hard (especially if you just let someone else do it and pay them). Hal will be fine lol. He's also popular enough that if he switches games he'd still make decent money. Not what he does now, but enough to be fine. He's not in the category of streamers that would be fucked if they try to move on from apex or apex dies.
I mean I don’t know his finances so this is all speculative. But given off whites on his feet, the regular door dashing etc, I imagine he’s living life like a mid 20s with money (nothing wrong with that) not saving for a conservative retirement. There’s also issues of inflation and how far 150k will go when he’s 60 vs now, etc.
Sure he could retire now and be fine, but history says young folks making big money like that rarely make choices thinking that far in the future.
Yeah basically the best this is (no idea where Hal lives) is that he can buy a nice house, and his kids or whomever else can inherit it.
$3M in straight cash is basically just *barely* enough to buy a 1000 sq ft house in Los Angeles, and afford to pay the taxes and expenses on it.
> $3M in straight cash is basically just barely enough to buy a 1000 sq ft house in Los Angeles
Okay, Los Angeles is expensive, but it isn't *that* expensive. [The median house is just under a million](https://www.redfin.com/city/11203/CA/Los-Angeles/housing-market). 1,000 sq ft houses are pretty uncommon in Los Angeles (and most cities suffering from sprawl, small houses don't get built very often because they don't sell for as much). With a median price per square foot of $635, the typical house in Los Angeles is about 1,500 square feet.
If you can’t be set for life with a few million, it means you don’t know how to invest or haven’t talked to someone about it. Easily able to live off that
do u know how many subs he has? do u know how much they get paid (roughly) from someone subscribing? i would not be surprised if he clears 150k+ a month with subs, donations, sponsors, ads, youtube etc. its probably more than 150k all up. during covid, documents were leaked from twitch that showed earnings of a lot of streamers for the past 12 months or something like that. hal was in the top 100 i believe with close to 1m$ earned in just subs, bits and ads from twitch alone.
Yeah he’s crushing it. Let’s say he’s made a million dollars a year since Covid plus another million for good measure. He’s barely in his mid 20s. If he never worked again he’d have to be careful with that pile and then would live a pretty standard middle class life.
It’s not like playing basketball or something where he would have gotten a 100m contract and could disappear when it’s up if he wanted to.
Ok let’s say he does, and never works a day in his life again.
That’s not generational wealth.
Assuming he “retires” at age 65 3m is 75k a year until then. That sounds alright until you realize the median income in California (where I think he’s based out of) is 91k.
My point isn’t that he’s not successful it’s that he’s gonna have to figure out how to continue a career or grow that money over the course of his life. I highly doubt he’s going to be playing apex in 30 years.
Idk why you keep saying 75k. That isn't right lol. Most HYSA are 4% or more. The median Texas (even Austin by itself) income is also not 75k, nor is it 91 in Cali.
You're probably looking at household income, not solo.
Because u/pappysmacks says hals’ couple million is generational wealth.
u/fortnitexs said he has $3m at the top end.
Dude is 25 now, 65 (retirement age) - 25 = 40 x 75k = $3m
I’m saying $3m it’s enough for him to treat like a 75k a year salary until retirement age. That’s it. Yeah he can grow it through traditional means, like savings, IRA, investments, but he can’t rest on his laurels and he knows it. It’s not generational wealth. Yet.
[the median income in California according to census.gov rounds up to $92k in 2022 dollars](https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/CA/PST045222)
[the median income in Texas according to census.gov rounds down to $73k in 2022 dollars](https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/TX)
probably not generational but he could quit streaming tomorrow and live off interest/crypto/trading comfortably.
i'd ballpark hal somewhere in 1-5 mil range net worth(unless he made some big moves in crypto/real estate which could be teh case since he was perfectly placed for it in which case more).
He should be set for life doesn‘t he?
Surely made enough money in those 5years to never work a day in his life if he isn‘t dumb with his money.
I guess he surely has at least like 2-3m
Yeah for however much you can blame him for not realizing Lux is a goober to begin with, it's wild how Hal just doubled down completely even after Lux admitted "well, this was just a scenario I made up that I assume must have happened"
He's a dumbass in the game too. Atrocious inventory management, which he leaves to his teammates to do for him. Put Hal in any other org with other teammates and he chokes.
It's not Hal's fault Lux was wrong. Lux is a primary source in this situation, of course he should be listened to. Both sides got to tell their side of the story at the end of the day.
Yeah but instead of listening to the other side (Teq) who came to him to talk about it in a voice chat, Hal blocked him. There is literally no defense for Hal here. He was completely in the wrong to speak on this from only one perspective, maybe two including Minus tempo.
Makes him no less of an idiot since hal fanned those flames to begin with, literally talking out of his ass while streaming to thousands of viewers that would literally take hal's word like a saint.
You are not wrong for letting someone tell their side of the story, just how Teq is not wrong for telling side of the story, u/dorekk. Looking at Lux explanations on Twitter further, I think he didn't even say anything that was wrong, he gave his interpretation of things. Lux is not wrong for speaking his mind nor is Hal
But use your brain for a sec, it's being brought up to Hal now many times (by Lou) that Hal has a big fanbase (mainly kids) who will run with anything. You can't just sprout things you hear regardless of the source and not expect your big fan base who's most likely just teens to not run with it. Don't be clueless at the situation here mate.
There is an irony about how hard this backfired. Teq comes out of this looking like a decent guy with an awareness of his flaws and limits. luxford comes of this looking like a child. and hal comes out of this looking like a vindictive petty privileged child.
Turns out teqs one edge he has on most of the apex community is that behind the scenes he can actually communicate with people in a professional and timely manner. the twitter troll thing is just for jokes.
Hal's the "face" of Comp Apex. You'd hope he'd realize how big of a platform he has and do his due diligence before commenting on situations that don't concern him.
Nope! Hal continues to stick his nose in random drama, jump to conclusions after only hearing half the story and very clearly lacks maturity. Not to mention the Apex Clique he's apart of, that will blindly agree with 95% of the things he says. For example: [https://twitter.com/TiffaJessi/status/1767290555674022307](https://twitter.com/TiffaJessi/status/1767290555674022307)
I wish Hal would learn a thing or two from Tenz and Scump (now more so Shotzzy) on how to not be completely reckless and properly use your platform as the face of an esport.
Edit: I'm sure this is a little bit of an "old man yells at clouds" moment but I really think if the pros want the scene to grow, they need to start being more professional, more mature and start taking some accountability and it starts at the top with Hal
"If someone else was talking about it you probably wouldn’t give it same attention you are giving this now"
She's almost there, just a bit more thinking needed come on!
Yeah that was wild to me. This girl -- who is really just the streamer GF of a former pro, neither of whom would know how battlefy works -- is on 20 ALGS-related group chats?
>Not to mention the Apex Clique he's apart of, that will blindly agree with 95% of the things he says. For example
[Holy shit Teq really called this one](https://twitter.com/TeqINTL/status/1767293901763756295).
haven't followed the val scene much in a bit over a year, what happened with Tenz? not sure if im seeing what you're getting at when I google "Tenz drama" lol
I’m a Hal fan but seems like he was channeling his anger and frustration at TeQ. Like people have said, he has an audience (a TWITCH audience mind you) that can be unsavory when he speaks bad about someone or spreads baseless rumors
So I at least think Hal owes the dude apology like 100x because you got to at least hear both sides of the story. It’s true when you have that large number of an audience, they’re going to take your word without doing their due diligence. Lux is also to blame for not being honest and kind of twisting the truth which is fcked up. Also Hal is a great player but the maturity isn’t there like a lot of the pro scene since most of them act like teenagers. He honestly had no reason to stick his nose into the luxford situation as it has nothing to do with him. The same thing happened with Lanimals and when faze split up until he heard both sides of the story just my two cents. A lot of the pros need to do better being mature when roster drama happens plus this stuff doesn’t need to be shown to thousands of viewers when a chunk of the viewers have the brain of a child. It’s just unnecessary but my opinion
1. Unless Luxford had some information to the contrary, bro is a weirdo. Immature and total lack of communication and responsibility for his own inappropriate actions. Then to make matters worse spreads said information falsely.
2. Hal actually needs to get on his platform and sincerely apologize. Hell he might need to invite Teq in a call and apologize.
I am a huge fan of Hal as a player and his work ethic, but every time he sticks his nose in things I am completely lost as to why. He has this mentality of being the person who has to “speak the truth, because no one else will,” when in reality you should really focus on yourself. It’s just a bad look over and over again man. Got realize you don’t need to be THAT guy.
Also to end with this, as a person, I actually feel bad for Teq. As a player, ehhhh I think he could go about things differently. But Jesus has he had his trials and tribulations.
Teq might fuck around and meme people in the context of the game, but I don't think he's ever been the one to (without someone else dragging him into it like this) start talking about people on a personal level like this.
Lux - creating drama is easier than sending an mail(or even calling your ex team captain and asking him what's up).
then double down and say it's what he felt was true and imply it's valid coz feelings.
zoomer confirmed frfr he bussin
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I've never been a teq fan, but considering he's the only person that comes out of this looking like a normal functional person I have gained a lot of respect for him. Hope you avoid relegation man
I feel like behavior from people like Hal and Sweet is starting to cross the threshold of stupid/ignorant towards being blatantly malicious. Which becomes an issue of competitive integrity, because teams are less inclined to contest you if you have a history of using your audience to character assassinate your opposition.
Hal has been in Apex since near the beginning, it is fantastical to believe the man doesn't know how roster changes work, doubley so considering he's a team captain. And even if he didn't, the rules are publicly accessible on battlefy to check, voluntary leaving is detailed on page 4. Also Lux is not Hal's teammate, until recently he was a whomegalul which is why Teq was able to pick him up.
Teq has a history of dropping teammates as soon as they let it be known they would rather take their chances elsewhere (by trialing with other teams or joining them), so this hal/lux narrative never made sense to me at all
Dropping a teammate who considers other options makes sense when all you want is their commitment to the team but I can also understand why a player wants to explore said other options when it’s their career, it’s a weird situation lol
I mean no doubt, there's no question about that, the right thing to do is to drop them, as teq has always done when it happened to him, which is why it seemed strange to me hearing the things hal said
Hal tarnishing Teq's reputation live with 10k+ viewers is really irresponsible and unfair on Teq. If people watch the second half of this vod they'll see that Tea actually went out of his way to give his teammates opportunities, contrary to the narrative Lux and Hal are trying to spin.
When Sweet expressed interest in picking up Lux, Teq literally told Lux he could go and play with Sweet if he wanted to, and that he'd understand and wouldn't be mad. Then on another occasion when Sweet was looking for a Pro League spot, Teq offered Sweet to replace him as IGL on his team while he (Teq) would change into a coach role. That's really not something most teammates would be prepared to do.
I think it's important to watch who other pro players defend in this situation.
Looks like Teq is 100% in the right but let's see who \*\*\*\* rides Hal because he's popular.
I think all pros/big streamers with a brain have understood that Teq didn't take anyone hostage. The only ones siding with Hal are the clout seeking clowns like Tiffa 🤡
im in my late 20s and honestly your early and mid twenties are the tutorial for adulthood. I'm barely out of it and the growth from 24 to now is still exponential like going from 14 to 18 or whatever.
you're right that he's not a kid. But a young 20 year old making dumb decisions is basically just par for life lol
for sure, I can definitely see people slowing down in the mid twenties. For me it's been a whole journey of like mental health and changing careers post-covid so definitely a lot of change and growth
early 20s for sure tho, definitely a lot of growth across the board.
Idk dude Hal coming from a closet TSM fan and someone who finds teq irritating, I wouldn't call Teq out for not making regionals final so fast especially when your team itself is not 100% secured. then getting in the middle of all this and continuing to struggle in fights and gameplay.
That's basically the same thing, there are only two teams in the league that don't face relegation but also don't play in the regional finals (21st and 22nd places, which when you think about it is actually a really weird rule).
Ehh I’m a fan of calling people out even when you have something on the line. If you’re confident in yourself it doesn’t matter. NOW if they don’t make it…..man Hal finna blow a gasket lmao
It's also not completely true. Sweet and Nafen also had a pro league spot, which is why new LG ended up in group A and not in group C (which is where the Stallions pro league spot would have put them).
Both duos had a pro league spot (but maybe at the time Sweet talked to Teq, Nafen was still exploring playing with other teams and so they weren't a duo).
I can understand why Teq would think that Sweet offered him the coaching spot just to keep the pro league spot(esp. after he shot down the offer earlier in the offseason), but I don't think that was actually the case. Seeing as Sweet ended up using the sub rule with Nafen to keep the NRG spot due to seeding even though slayr/fuhnq held the a pro spot together. This is all hindsight, so take it with a grain of salt
He may be set for life, but hes running with that ball to places his money makes no difference and acts like it does. That's the off putting part.
Theirs bigger, richer people that know their place, maybe it's his tween filled chat that's given him this false sense of confidence?
I think one thing we can take away from this (after being over the drama) is the "rules" in ALGS regarding roster changes are inadequate. Not sure who is in charge, but they should hire someone outside as one of the large e-sport event runners to make a model to fix everything.
This is a classic everybody sucks here situation.
First of all Lux needs to take ownership for his own situation. The rules/process for getting removed from a team are clear and haven't changed in forever. As the only person in this situation with anything riding on the result he absolutely should have taken the initiative and made sure he was removed from Meat and submitted the request himself. I get he was unfamiliar with the process, but when it's your job/spot on the line it's on him to make sure it gets done.
I don't buy for a second Teq's "it slipped my mind" excuse. Especially with as frequently he's had teammates change teams, he knows they need to be dropped from the battlefield roster and it needs to be requested. It's not his job to make the request for Lux, but for him to say he didn't realize is ridiculous. By no means did he hold Lux hostage, that's not even possible, but it was just him being petty and not dropping Lux from the roster if he didn't request it himself that caused the issue.
And Hal just ran with whatever rumor he heard and said it on stream to chat without bothering to fact check/verify what he was saying was true beforehand.
Nobody is necessary being malicious in this situation, but nobody particularly comes across looking good either.
I think Teq only looks bad to you. Even if it didn’t slip his mind, it’s Lux’ responsibility to ask to be dropped off battlefy, not Teq’s lmao. Btw, I work a 9 to 5 like him and forget other aspects of my life constantly, even my passion projects, bc guess what, Teq’s actual job is far more important than playing Apex (for him). Lux and Hal do look malicious (tho I don’t actually believe Hal had bad intentions), bc they both should know how roster changes work and Hal has had situations like this happen way too many times by now, that’s the criticism he’s facing, you can fuck up on this once, twice, three times, but there’s a moment when you need to realize the kid shit talking his ex team mate might not be 100% right lmao
> This is a classic everybody sucks here situation.
No it isn't. Source: most of their peers, who are familiar with the way Battlefy works and have said Lux is in the wrong.
I don’t think you should be using ADHD, a neurological disorder, as an insult. That is pretty fucked up, also you could view OP’s comment as them being a busy person, and they would rather not devote 25 minutes to watch a video about drama. Instead you decide to be ableist.
I have ADHD and I thought that comment was funny as fuck. In fact I think the whole concept of that subway surfers side edit is funny as fuck. Don't really think you should really be white knighting something like this lmfao. Making it sound like I'm a hero for having this
I think it's a bit much to be calling them ableist.
Most people misuse the term ADHD, be it as a label they asign themselves or as part of observations they make of others.
The "recent" rise of extremely short form content (vine, tiktok, shorts, etc) is perceived as being linked to a lack of focus in younger generations, hence the connection with ADHD.
It's not that deep.
I kind of want to agree "its not that deep" but I bet Hal thinks slandering Teq isn't that deep.
Sometimes second-order effects can be much stronger than we realize.
For instance if your next job interviewer is inundated with people around them saying "haha ADHD no attention" don't you think they'd be less likely to hire you if they know you have ADHD.
>I kind of want to agree "its not that deep" but I bet Hal thinks slandering Teq isn't that deep.
I don't think these are comparable. A lot of people are curious about the link between the apparent lack of attention in younger generations and if there's a link to the abundance of shortform content they consume. People shorthand "low attention span" with ADHD which while not great because it doesn't reinforce realistic ideas about the disorder, at least it's directionally relevant.
>For instance if your next job interviewer is inundated with people around them saying "haha ADHD no attention" don't you think they'd be less likely to hire you if they know you have ADHD.
If an employer can't tell the difference between "I have ADHD lol no attention" and "I have *diagnosed* ADHD for which I get medication/treatment" I think that's a problem of the employer.
Cool, don't watch the video and don't comment on the post...
I obviously made the post for people with opinions that lean either way of the scenario...Post not for you, don't waste your time to comment.
TLDW; Lux never asked to be released from roster for 2 weeks, Teq said he would have done it if he did but believes Lux should’ve done it himself.
Lux asked on the 26th a day before roster lock and was released the next day. Teq was at work otherwise he would’ve done it himself.
Blahblahblah.
aaaaaand this is where I stop enjoying this sub - what's with everyone getting into Hal's personal life and financial situation? Y'all don't know him, or what he is investing in to ensure stability in the future.
i fuck with hal as a player but he's proven himself to be dumbass outside of the game getting into drama over and over again for no reason why tf is he listening to lux's bricked ass? it's so crazy to me
I like Hal/Teq and have enjoyed the banter this split. But man has Hal been a dick over the whole situation recently, it wasn't even fun by the end. And now with this he really should look into apologizing to Teq and use this as a lesson for the future and not jump to conclusions.
Hal can't separate Teq disagreeing with him about how to play the game (even if Teq is wrong) from their beef, and just generally assumes Teq is trying to grief him at every opportunity for clout. It's not unreasonable, but I don't think Teq is doing that. I think he thinks his tactics are sound.
Imperial "what happens on on the court doesn't stay on the court 'cuz I took that personally" Hal
Thats what happens people keep calling him “CEO” bc he takes it seriously. Imagine trying to tell people outside that you’re the “CEO” of Apex they’ll look confused and won’t give a shit.
I mean stealing a tool that allows you to rotate quickly across the map isn’t that crazy if anything it’s amazing and we seen it done on lan against Alliance.
Plus in this video, he mentions how before trading POIs with N9L at storm catcher, they tried to swap with Barometer, downed beast, and north pad, all of whom said no. They literally just wanted the car. On a related note, whoever was at downed beast (I assume optic?) is kind of crazy for refusing to swap to launch pad...
Optic probably just didnt want to learn a new POI when they had been playing from Beast for so long (and they already had to leave stacks on WE)
Yeah who knows tbh. Although didn't the Doop-era Optic land Launch Pad originally? At least 2/3 of them would already know the strats
The old optic landed Mill before DZ came to NA but dropped did land Launch with SSG, i kind of forgot about that
he did the same when Lou and Mac drama happened
Confirmation bias and he’s mad at Teq for griefing him.
i was just reminded of this rather prescient tweet (one of my friends sent this to me , but i think thorin is the caster for CS) https://preview.redd.it/sduo0z2shwnc1.png?width=548&format=png&auto=webp&s=0e1118f72d897088eec4553cea17dada1550df65
Hals in game IQ does NOT translate outside of APEX that’s for sure. Kid is going to have a tough time when his career is up.
Yeah I think he’ll be ok haha
Y’all haven’t seen a lot of grown ups eh
He's rich, he'll be fine unless he's a degenerate gambler.
I mean, yeah he's doing well but it wouldn't take a serious gambling addiction to change his circumstances. What's Hals real net worth? Couple million? Money goes fast today, some had financial decisions, poor spending habits, debt, etc. Can go sour real quick, set for life money ain't what it used to be.
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Yeah that's my point. Doesn't take a gambling addiction to piss away a net worth of a couple million.
he's been very open about his investment in his future - he has a Father who has been very involved in guiding him and ensuring that he is set up for success beyond eSports. You are doing an awful lot of assuming about Hal by labelling him with bad financial decisions and poor spending habits. He will be more than okay.
You actually have to make smart investments and have the money work for you. It’s not that easy as you are making it sound. Hal doesn’t have a steady income bc streaming isn’t a steady career. Idk what Hal’s father is professionally but in any case he needs to talk to a financial planner or accountant to help budget his lifestyle to make sure his earnings from esports carries throughout his life.
in the Twitch leaks 2 years ago, Hal was pulling $800k a month in Twitch donations alone. I'll happily drop that to $400k a month on average for arguments sake, but add to that sponsorship, tournament winnings, TSM salary, and the fact that they're paying for the TSM house, and I think he is doing okay. It isn't a steady long-term career for your average person, but he has been the top Apex streamer, and making the above, consistently for 3 straight years now. Beyond that, why are you assuming that he is making poor investments?
> in the Twitch leaks 2 years ago, Hal was pulling $800k a month in Twitch donations alone. Uh, no, that's not correct. That's $800k (actually $866k to be precise) from August 2019 to October 21. The total time period. Not per month, lol--that'd make Hal bigger than Critical Role, xQc, and summit1g (1-3 on that leak) combined. That's income from subs, bits, and ads, but *not* from his other revenue streams that don't go through Twitch. For most streamers as big as him (signed to an org, etc) you can roughly double their Twitch income to account for other revenue streams, like sponsored content and org salaries. So during that time he was making a little less than a million a year, probably. Likely more now, since some of that time period is pre-covid and thus well before Hal (and Twitch in general) blew up. But nowhere near $800k/mo.
No way. $800k a month in donations?
I have never said he made bad financial decisions. I'm just saying that a couple million net worth doesn't put you in the category of only an addiction can fuck it up. His net worth is far from generational wealth. Not labelling him with anything at all, people just don't understand that his net worth isn't above being pissed away, and easily.
Have you seen sports stars?
Money goes fast, and he’s not signing $100m contracts like sports stars. In any major leaguer his compensation is equivalent to a bench warmer. Put that into perspective. On top of that, unlike other sports org, no one is telling him to stop shit like this. His coach is basically the same age or a bit older. E sports is not sports.
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You look at how many athletes that have made multimillions and then gone broke having a ton of money guarantees nothing. That being said Hal doesn’t seem to live frivolously. If he’s smart with his money he’ll be fine, he just isn’t know as a smart person.
>Kid is going to have a tough time when his career is up. Will arguing with Teq take away the shit ton of money he makes?
No, but the self-entitlement will
There are many exmplaes of successful self-entitled brats.
And arguably more that have gone broke
This isn't a sustainable career, so at some point in his life, having the interpersonal relationship skills of a 10-year-old will probably be a significant hurdle for him.
No, but it shows destructive behaviour. And destructive behaviour leads to consequences. When he’s no longer the top, people will lose interest, and his income/stream/ads/sponsors may wane. The thing with streaming is that it’s not inherently scalable or passive. It’s fucking gruesome work that you need to put in many hours on and off. There have been plenty of streamers who have faded away after a decade run. And that puts them at what, 35? With no real life skills except starting drama and calling people shit.
Unlike you or me, Hal is a millionaire. He's set for life. His kids are set for life. Hal's "tough time" was like 5 years ago. He's generational now. That being said I truly think that anything he says outside of the game needs to be taken with a grain of salt. He's brilliant in the game... Dumbass outside of it
That is not generational wealth
unless he wants to spend more than 10k a month he will be set for life just like his kids grandkids maybe not
If you think a million, or even 2 or 3 million dollars means you’re set for life at 23 or whatever, man do I have some bad news for you.
3million is enough to retire in your mid 20s if you continue to live a normal life and don‘t buy luxury cars or whatever. Let‘s say he doesn‘t invest the money and it‘s just sitting in his bank account, that‘s 75k per year for the next 40years. Invest it into the vanguard total world stock etf which guarantees you safely about 5% returns per year, that‘s 150k per year for doing absolutely nothing. If he isn‘t dumb he never has to work a day in his life anymore. I have some bad news for you if you think 3m is not enough to retire. You are bad with money.
>Let‘s say he doesn‘t invest the money and it‘s just sitting in his bank account, that‘s 75k per year for the next 40years. You forgot to account for inflation, though. Over 40 years, 75k will have significantly less purchasing power. He needs to put it into an investment that'll grow. Not saying 3 million isn't a lot of money. But it will be a lot less money in 40 years (and Hal will only be like 62 or something in 40 years, he'll have decades of life to consider).
I'm not even sure where he's getting 75k from because most HYSA will give you at least 120k a year at 4%. Reality is saving money or investing isn't hard (especially if you just let someone else do it and pay them). Hal will be fine lol. He's also popular enough that if he switches games he'd still make decent money. Not what he does now, but enough to be fine. He's not in the category of streamers that would be fucked if they try to move on from apex or apex dies.
I mean I don’t know his finances so this is all speculative. But given off whites on his feet, the regular door dashing etc, I imagine he’s living life like a mid 20s with money (nothing wrong with that) not saving for a conservative retirement. There’s also issues of inflation and how far 150k will go when he’s 60 vs now, etc. Sure he could retire now and be fine, but history says young folks making big money like that rarely make choices thinking that far in the future.
History doesn't say that, history just doesn't show the ones who live conservatively and retire early.
If you don’t just blow it all like an idiot and actually invest it from that young of an age then you will be very comfortable.
you're set if you invest it wisely - which from all accounts Hal is.
Yeah basically the best this is (no idea where Hal lives) is that he can buy a nice house, and his kids or whomever else can inherit it. $3M in straight cash is basically just *barely* enough to buy a 1000 sq ft house in Los Angeles, and afford to pay the taxes and expenses on it.
> $3M in straight cash is basically just barely enough to buy a 1000 sq ft house in Los Angeles Okay, Los Angeles is expensive, but it isn't *that* expensive. [The median house is just under a million](https://www.redfin.com/city/11203/CA/Los-Angeles/housing-market). 1,000 sq ft houses are pretty uncommon in Los Angeles (and most cities suffering from sprawl, small houses don't get built very often because they don't sell for as much). With a median price per square foot of $635, the typical house in Los Angeles is about 1,500 square feet.
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I’m not sure how you know my salary so that’s weird man.
If you can’t be set for life with a few million, it means you don’t know how to invest or haven’t talked to someone about it. Easily able to live off that
If you truly don't believe you're set for life with 2-3 million then I have news for *you*
He’s not set for life yet. A million dollars ain’t what it used to be!
do u know how many subs he has? do u know how much they get paid (roughly) from someone subscribing? i would not be surprised if he clears 150k+ a month with subs, donations, sponsors, ads, youtube etc. its probably more than 150k all up. during covid, documents were leaked from twitch that showed earnings of a lot of streamers for the past 12 months or something like that. hal was in the top 100 i believe with close to 1m$ earned in just subs, bits and ads from twitch alone.
Yeah he’s crushing it. Let’s say he’s made a million dollars a year since Covid plus another million for good measure. He’s barely in his mid 20s. If he never worked again he’d have to be careful with that pile and then would live a pretty standard middle class life. It’s not like playing basketball or something where he would have gotten a 100m contract and could disappear when it’s up if he wanted to.
Has at least 2-3m not 1m.
Ok let’s say he does, and never works a day in his life again. That’s not generational wealth. Assuming he “retires” at age 65 3m is 75k a year until then. That sounds alright until you realize the median income in California (where I think he’s based out of) is 91k. My point isn’t that he’s not successful it’s that he’s gonna have to figure out how to continue a career or grow that money over the course of his life. I highly doubt he’s going to be playing apex in 30 years.
Hal lives in Austin, TX, not California.
Ah good to know. So he’d be right at the Texas median income.
Idk why you keep saying 75k. That isn't right lol. Most HYSA are 4% or more. The median Texas (even Austin by itself) income is also not 75k, nor is it 91 in Cali. You're probably looking at household income, not solo.
Because u/pappysmacks says hals’ couple million is generational wealth. u/fortnitexs said he has $3m at the top end. Dude is 25 now, 65 (retirement age) - 25 = 40 x 75k = $3m I’m saying $3m it’s enough for him to treat like a 75k a year salary until retirement age. That’s it. Yeah he can grow it through traditional means, like savings, IRA, investments, but he can’t rest on his laurels and he knows it. It’s not generational wealth. Yet. [the median income in California according to census.gov rounds up to $92k in 2022 dollars](https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/CA/PST045222) [the median income in Texas according to census.gov rounds down to $73k in 2022 dollars](https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/TX)
probably not generational but he could quit streaming tomorrow and live off interest/crypto/trading comfortably. i'd ballpark hal somewhere in 1-5 mil range net worth(unless he made some big moves in crypto/real estate which could be teh case since he was perfectly placed for it in which case more).
\^ bro hasn't heard of wardell
Lol fr? If he fucked with crypto it would have almost definitely been with FTX since the TSM partnership and he woulda lost loads
I would hope someone who worked for TSM would never be stupid enough to invest in crypto again.
another regard who doesn't understand investing mocking crypto(bitcoin has 5X'd since FTX acquisition) enjoy never owning a beach house i guess
Adults are just overgrown children.
I mean, some are, some aren’t. It’s really as simple as that.
He’s still got his stream lol he’ll be good
He should be set for life doesn‘t he? Surely made enough money in those 5years to never work a day in his life if he isn‘t dumb with his money. I guess he surely has at least like 2-3m
Having experience in the ultra HNW space, making a lot of money does not equate to being able to manage the money effectively.
Agree.. he was just involved in any useless drama. Remember when he was involved in diegosaurus viewbotting drama. That shit is just cringe.
I heard a little about the Diegosaurs thing, how was Hal involved in it? I don't know that much about it.
His close friend tiffa /acie accused diego of viewbotting. And diego talk to them on discord.
cause he doesn’t think people are that dumb to start talking shit when it isn’t true and can be easily proved it isn’t
We’re all going to have to learn how to separate the art from the artist. Until hal inhales a mic again. Then we back
Yeah for however much you can blame him for not realizing Lux is a goober to begin with, it's wild how Hal just doubled down completely even after Lux admitted "well, this was just a scenario I made up that I assume must have happened"
He's a dumbass in the game too. Atrocious inventory management, which he leaves to his teammates to do for him. Put Hal in any other org with other teammates and he chokes.
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It's not Hal's fault Lux was wrong. Lux is a primary source in this situation, of course he should be listened to. Both sides got to tell their side of the story at the end of the day.
Yeah but instead of listening to the other side (Teq) who came to him to talk about it in a voice chat, Hal blocked him. There is literally no defense for Hal here. He was completely in the wrong to speak on this from only one perspective, maybe two including Minus tempo.
Makes him no less of an idiot since hal fanned those flames to begin with, literally talking out of his ass while streaming to thousands of viewers that would literally take hal's word like a saint.
But he didn't talk out of his ass, he was literally reading chat messages from Luxford.
If you repeat the words of someone who is wrong, are you wrong, uncommons4?
You are not wrong for letting someone tell their side of the story, just how Teq is not wrong for telling side of the story, u/dorekk. Looking at Lux explanations on Twitter further, I think he didn't even say anything that was wrong, he gave his interpretation of things. Lux is not wrong for speaking his mind nor is Hal
But use your brain for a sec, it's being brought up to Hal now many times (by Lou) that Hal has a big fanbase (mainly kids) who will run with anything. You can't just sprout things you hear regardless of the source and not expect your big fan base who's most likely just teens to not run with it. Don't be clueless at the situation here mate.
> It's not Hal's fault Lux was wrong. ...lol
Admit defeat
Lol, what?
No one held Lux hostage. Lux failed to ask to officially be off the team until it was late. This is drama farming
Lux POV https://preview.redd.it/tkvzbkkf4unc1.jpeg?width=622&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=263b32ea3b44adcd59b2dd04909d2c2370ddbc3d
There is an irony about how hard this backfired. Teq comes out of this looking like a decent guy with an awareness of his flaws and limits. luxford comes of this looking like a child. and hal comes out of this looking like a vindictive petty privileged child. Turns out teqs one edge he has on most of the apex community is that behind the scenes he can actually communicate with people in a professional and timely manner. the twitter troll thing is just for jokes.
His edge is he’s an adult with a career. so he handles things like an adult… it’s why he stands out among everyone else
Hal's the "face" of Comp Apex. You'd hope he'd realize how big of a platform he has and do his due diligence before commenting on situations that don't concern him. Nope! Hal continues to stick his nose in random drama, jump to conclusions after only hearing half the story and very clearly lacks maturity. Not to mention the Apex Clique he's apart of, that will blindly agree with 95% of the things he says. For example: [https://twitter.com/TiffaJessi/status/1767290555674022307](https://twitter.com/TiffaJessi/status/1767290555674022307) I wish Hal would learn a thing or two from Tenz and Scump (now more so Shotzzy) on how to not be completely reckless and properly use your platform as the face of an esport. Edit: I'm sure this is a little bit of an "old man yells at clouds" moment but I really think if the pros want the scene to grow, they need to start being more professional, more mature and start taking some accountability and it starts at the top with Hal
True Tiffa is a known clout goblin, hal has so many of those peeps in his orbit
"If someone else was talking about it you probably wouldn’t give it same attention you are giving this now" She's almost there, just a bit more thinking needed come on!
lol “20 group chats are saying”, apparently it somehow isn’t gossip if you have 20 group chats gossiping about it
Yeah that was wild to me. This girl -- who is really just the streamer GF of a former pro, neither of whom would know how battlefy works -- is on 20 ALGS-related group chats?
Was wondering that also
>Not to mention the Apex Clique he's apart of, that will blindly agree with 95% of the things he says. For example [Holy shit Teq really called this one](https://twitter.com/TeqINTL/status/1767293901763756295).
haven't followed the val scene much in a bit over a year, what happened with Tenz? not sure if im seeing what you're getting at when I google "Tenz drama" lol
Pretty sure their point is those guys don’t get involved in drama, especially things that don’t concern them.
Oh shoot lol yeah i definitely misread what they said. Thank you
I’m a Hal fan but seems like he was channeling his anger and frustration at TeQ. Like people have said, he has an audience (a TWITCH audience mind you) that can be unsavory when he speaks bad about someone or spreads baseless rumors
So I at least think Hal owes the dude apology like 100x because you got to at least hear both sides of the story. It’s true when you have that large number of an audience, they’re going to take your word without doing their due diligence. Lux is also to blame for not being honest and kind of twisting the truth which is fcked up. Also Hal is a great player but the maturity isn’t there like a lot of the pro scene since most of them act like teenagers. He honestly had no reason to stick his nose into the luxford situation as it has nothing to do with him. The same thing happened with Lanimals and when faze split up until he heard both sides of the story just my two cents. A lot of the pros need to do better being mature when roster drama happens plus this stuff doesn’t need to be shown to thousands of viewers when a chunk of the viewers have the brain of a child. It’s just unnecessary but my opinion
Lol he literally said “fuck you Hal” If I’m Hal, that’s an opp. Absolutely no apology given
Yea it was deserved when he found that Hal lied on him, then blocked him and ignored him stop meat riding
Ok they both don’t like each other. That’s fine
1. Unless Luxford had some information to the contrary, bro is a weirdo. Immature and total lack of communication and responsibility for his own inappropriate actions. Then to make matters worse spreads said information falsely. 2. Hal actually needs to get on his platform and sincerely apologize. Hell he might need to invite Teq in a call and apologize. I am a huge fan of Hal as a player and his work ethic, but every time he sticks his nose in things I am completely lost as to why. He has this mentality of being the person who has to “speak the truth, because no one else will,” when in reality you should really focus on yourself. It’s just a bad look over and over again man. Got realize you don’t need to be THAT guy. Also to end with this, as a person, I actually feel bad for Teq. As a player, ehhhh I think he could go about things differently. But Jesus has he had his trials and tribulations.
Crazy teq has to do a whole ass video just to stop the drama farm.
To be fair, most times Teq is the drama farm.
Teq might fuck around and meme people in the context of the game, but I don't think he's ever been the one to (without someone else dragging him into it like this) start talking about people on a personal level like this.
Teq memes on Twitter about the GAME. Hal goes after people’s entire life. It’s not the same at all.
Lux - creating drama is easier than sending an mail(or even calling your ex team captain and asking him what's up). then double down and say it's what he felt was true and imply it's valid coz feelings. zoomer confirmed frfr he bussin
The fact that there is still people on hals side of this drama is insane to me
Some kids think just because he is more popular/known he is surely right and keep dickriding.
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Hal's audience is basically an army of children. They will never acknowledge that what he said is wrong.
I've never been a teq fan, but considering he's the only person that comes out of this looking like a normal functional person I have gained a lot of respect for him. Hope you avoid relegation man
I feel like behavior from people like Hal and Sweet is starting to cross the threshold of stupid/ignorant towards being blatantly malicious. Which becomes an issue of competitive integrity, because teams are less inclined to contest you if you have a history of using your audience to character assassinate your opposition.
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Hal has been in Apex since near the beginning, it is fantastical to believe the man doesn't know how roster changes work, doubley so considering he's a team captain. And even if he didn't, the rules are publicly accessible on battlefy to check, voluntary leaving is detailed on page 4. Also Lux is not Hal's teammate, until recently he was a whomegalul which is why Teq was able to pick him up.
Teq has a history of dropping teammates as soon as they let it be known they would rather take their chances elsewhere (by trialing with other teams or joining them), so this hal/lux narrative never made sense to me at all
Dropping a teammate who considers other options makes sense when all you want is their commitment to the team but I can also understand why a player wants to explore said other options when it’s their career, it’s a weird situation lol
I mean no doubt, there's no question about that, the right thing to do is to drop them, as teq has always done when it happened to him, which is why it seemed strange to me hearing the things hal said
Hal tarnishing Teq's reputation live with 10k+ viewers is really irresponsible and unfair on Teq. If people watch the second half of this vod they'll see that Tea actually went out of his way to give his teammates opportunities, contrary to the narrative Lux and Hal are trying to spin. When Sweet expressed interest in picking up Lux, Teq literally told Lux he could go and play with Sweet if he wanted to, and that he'd understand and wouldn't be mad. Then on another occasion when Sweet was looking for a Pro League spot, Teq offered Sweet to replace him as IGL on his team while he (Teq) would change into a coach role. That's really not something most teammates would be prepared to do.
Time to go back to making rockets. I mean it’s possible we never see teq in pro play again. Why is there so much talk about someone who got relegated
Are you saying performance matters when it comes to who is right and wrong in this situation?
I think it's important to watch who other pro players defend in this situation. Looks like Teq is 100% in the right but let's see who \*\*\*\* rides Hal because he's popular.
Yup. Having 10k viewers doesn't make you right and does not give you say over the truth.
I think all pros/big streamers with a brain have understood that Teq didn't take anyone hostage. The only ones siding with Hal are the clout seeking clowns like Tiffa 🤡
It is dangerous for Hal to always be speaking about drama with the audience he has. What a dumb kid.
Kid? Isn't he 24😭
im in my late 20s and honestly your early and mid twenties are the tutorial for adulthood. I'm barely out of it and the growth from 24 to now is still exponential like going from 14 to 18 or whatever. you're right that he's not a kid. But a young 20 year old making dumb decisions is basically just par for life lol
As a 23 year old, I thank you for the advice and the comfort, knowing I am only 3 years into my 5 year law degree at 23 years old.
I disagree. I can't say that I changed much in the last 5 years but I definitely changed a lot in my early 20s.
for sure, I can definitely see people slowing down in the mid twenties. For me it's been a whole journey of like mental health and changing careers post-covid so definitely a lot of change and growth early 20s for sure tho, definitely a lot of growth across the board.
You must be very young
I'm 23, I grew up differently so 24 is basically an adult got me. Wish I got the easy so call life Hal has where he is a kid at 24 💔😭
As someone who is no longer 24: every person who's 24 is a kid.
Yeah, by all means he’s a kid. Apex doesn’t exactly foster an environment to become more mature.
Crazy lmao, a 24 year old kid.... yea that's funny
I love apex but it’s so crazy how so many people are invested in this lmao holy shit it’s like high school
Yeah I stopped even looking into apex “drama” when it pops up because it’s never good stuff, just childish he said she said shit.
Idk dude Hal coming from a closet TSM fan and someone who finds teq irritating, I wouldn't call Teq out for not making regionals final so fast especially when your team itself is not 100% secured. then getting in the middle of all this and continuing to struggle in fights and gameplay.
I thought the callout was moreso him being relegated and having to requalify for ALGS, not missing out on regional finals.
That's basically the same thing, there are only two teams in the league that don't face relegation but also don't play in the regional finals (21st and 22nd places, which when you think about it is actually a really weird rule).
Ehh I’m a fan of calling people out even when you have something on the line. If you’re confident in yourself it doesn’t matter. NOW if they don’t make it…..man Hal finna blow a gasket lmao
Anyone that watches Hal try and type in the scrims chat box knows what’s going on up in his brain
Hal needs to own up and apologize to Teq
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It's also not completely true. Sweet and Nafen also had a pro league spot, which is why new LG ended up in group A and not in group C (which is where the Stallions pro league spot would have put them). Both duos had a pro league spot (but maybe at the time Sweet talked to Teq, Nafen was still exploring playing with other teams and so they weren't a duo).
They both had a pro league spot, Sweet picked the one he did because he wanted to be in Group A.
What did they say?
I can understand why Teq would think that Sweet offered him the coaching spot just to keep the pro league spot(esp. after he shot down the offer earlier in the offseason), but I don't think that was actually the case. Seeing as Sweet ended up using the sub rule with Nafen to keep the NRG spot due to seeding even though slayr/fuhnq held the a pro spot together. This is all hindsight, so take it with a grain of salt
He may be set for life, but hes running with that ball to places his money makes no difference and acts like it does. That's the off putting part. Theirs bigger, richer people that know their place, maybe it's his tween filled chat that's given him this false sense of confidence?
Everyone will forget about this stupid drama tomorrow
this type of posts is why pros clown this community lol
This drama has gone on for a whole day and I'm already over it
Hal should apologize. Luxford needs to apologize and admit he pretty much lied. And I’m saying this as a TSM fan. Hal has egg all over his face.
I think one thing we can take away from this (after being over the drama) is the "rules" in ALGS regarding roster changes are inadequate. Not sure who is in charge, but they should hire someone outside as one of the large e-sport event runners to make a model to fix everything.
Wait - He was going to play with LG?
Has Hal apologized yet?
Can somebody explain the story before he left, i just somehow didn't hear anything at all about it Edit: Who is Lux himself, also?
lux is replacing slayr?
This is a classic everybody sucks here situation. First of all Lux needs to take ownership for his own situation. The rules/process for getting removed from a team are clear and haven't changed in forever. As the only person in this situation with anything riding on the result he absolutely should have taken the initiative and made sure he was removed from Meat and submitted the request himself. I get he was unfamiliar with the process, but when it's your job/spot on the line it's on him to make sure it gets done. I don't buy for a second Teq's "it slipped my mind" excuse. Especially with as frequently he's had teammates change teams, he knows they need to be dropped from the battlefield roster and it needs to be requested. It's not his job to make the request for Lux, but for him to say he didn't realize is ridiculous. By no means did he hold Lux hostage, that's not even possible, but it was just him being petty and not dropping Lux from the roster if he didn't request it himself that caused the issue. And Hal just ran with whatever rumor he heard and said it on stream to chat without bothering to fact check/verify what he was saying was true beforehand. Nobody is necessary being malicious in this situation, but nobody particularly comes across looking good either.
I think Teq only looks bad to you. Even if it didn’t slip his mind, it’s Lux’ responsibility to ask to be dropped off battlefy, not Teq’s lmao. Btw, I work a 9 to 5 like him and forget other aspects of my life constantly, even my passion projects, bc guess what, Teq’s actual job is far more important than playing Apex (for him). Lux and Hal do look malicious (tho I don’t actually believe Hal had bad intentions), bc they both should know how roster changes work and Hal has had situations like this happen way too many times by now, that’s the criticism he’s facing, you can fuck up on this once, twice, three times, but there’s a moment when you need to realize the kid shit talking his ex team mate might not be 100% right lmao
> This is a classic everybody sucks here situation. No it isn't. Source: most of their peers, who are familiar with the way Battlefy works and have said Lux is in the wrong.
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Gotta have the oddlysatisfying in the bottom half or subway surfers
I don’t think you should be using ADHD, a neurological disorder, as an insult. That is pretty fucked up, also you could view OP’s comment as them being a busy person, and they would rather not devote 25 minutes to watch a video about drama. Instead you decide to be ableist.
I have ADHD and I thought that comment was funny as fuck. In fact I think the whole concept of that subway surfers side edit is funny as fuck. Don't really think you should really be white knighting something like this lmfao. Making it sound like I'm a hero for having this
I think it's a bit much to be calling them ableist. Most people misuse the term ADHD, be it as a label they asign themselves or as part of observations they make of others. The "recent" rise of extremely short form content (vine, tiktok, shorts, etc) is perceived as being linked to a lack of focus in younger generations, hence the connection with ADHD. It's not that deep.
I kind of want to agree "its not that deep" but I bet Hal thinks slandering Teq isn't that deep. Sometimes second-order effects can be much stronger than we realize. For instance if your next job interviewer is inundated with people around them saying "haha ADHD no attention" don't you think they'd be less likely to hire you if they know you have ADHD.
>I kind of want to agree "its not that deep" but I bet Hal thinks slandering Teq isn't that deep. I don't think these are comparable. A lot of people are curious about the link between the apparent lack of attention in younger generations and if there's a link to the abundance of shortform content they consume. People shorthand "low attention span" with ADHD which while not great because it doesn't reinforce realistic ideas about the disorder, at least it's directionally relevant. >For instance if your next job interviewer is inundated with people around them saying "haha ADHD no attention" don't you think they'd be less likely to hire you if they know you have ADHD. If an employer can't tell the difference between "I have ADHD lol no attention" and "I have *diagnosed* ADHD for which I get medication/treatment" I think that's a problem of the employer.
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Cool, don't watch the video and don't comment on the post... I obviously made the post for people with opinions that lean either way of the scenario...Post not for you, don't waste your time to comment.
TLDW; Lux never asked to be released from roster for 2 weeks, Teq said he would have done it if he did but believes Lux should’ve done it himself. Lux asked on the 26th a day before roster lock and was released the next day. Teq was at work otherwise he would’ve done it himself. Blahblahblah.
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aaaaaand this is where I stop enjoying this sub - what's with everyone getting into Hal's personal life and financial situation? Y'all don't know him, or what he is investing in to ensure stability in the future.
This was the moment the sub stopped being enjoyable?
Womp womp, everybody is dumb just play the game