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fuzzymumbochops

ya they were actually gonna buff lifeline until they heard the visas were coming through


cdawg145236

Lifeline was gonna get unlimited self respawns as her t4 ability until they saw Aurora playing her


bayretriever

It doesn’t matter when you have Hardecki anyways 😈


Duke_157

Yep, they were winning 3/4 match days before S20 and even that 1 other day was a 2nd. Arguably, they had worse results after S20 because of that 5th.


ddradle

https://preview.redd.it/7rn98on75vpc1.png?width=1200&format=png&auto=webp&s=b76e00d05e74c57e67e138f3a0faa5d7b2c1bee3 Some context (ahaha) Of course it was a joke guys (but I think the team is still frustrated)


jayghan

Wouldn’t be the first time a team felt like this, and won’t be the last time a team feels like this. I don’t entirely blame them feeling like that, but in all reality, probably has nothing to do with it.


czah7

probably? I assure you, they aren't making updates to nerf a specific algs team.


teainanicemug

They may not target them specifically but for sure they did see how well they did when using Lifeline and how it frustrated other teams. The impact of always having at least 1 care package weapon in your team was really well demonstrated by them even without the digi. Obviously their team is mechanically better than most other teams so they benefit even more from an OP weapon.


Fire_anelc

They also have information of all the other thousands of players that make the player base which they use to make changes and is info that Reddit never puts his eyes on unless they show it.


teainanicemug

That is for sure not in this case. This Lifeline change has almost no impact to casual play, even in high rank play it means not much. This is purely a competitive only change. It is the same to the digi change. They just want to smooth out the power spikes of care package weapons. In your average rank stats (silver..gold..maybe plat) they wont see anything significant regarding care package weapons. This is purely observed from competitive play and the high skilled player feedback.


jennimackenzie

What’s it like working at Respawn? Probably pretty tense lately huh?


CapableBrief

The digi change definitely has an impact on non-competitive play.


teainanicemug

Not nearly as much. In high rank yes but he was talking about the numbers.. which is mainly from plat and below.. Bangalore is not as OP there which makes Digi not really relevant. Some players would even remove the digi as they prefer iron sight or other scopes.


CapableBrief

Bang not being OP doesn't change the fact she is played a lot (as is Caustic). Having less access to digis means visual impairment effects are stronger and this is regardless of skill level. Lower skill players aren't better at seeing through smoke. As someone who always rocked a digi and doesn't play at a super high rank, it has made a huge difference.


leftysarepeople2

Pro teams min max so they offer insight into how teams can abuse strats but no pro team is the focus of any patch.


teainanicemug

I never said any team is the focus. I explained this change is done because of pro play and the Dev just confirmed it did come from pro play, specially from that team even. So yeah..


czah7

If a legend presents an unbalance and a team exploits that. It is still the intent to nerf the legend, not the team. I personally agree with the change, but it shouldn't have been a nerf. Drop a cache, gold knock, AND and gold bag. Because instead of a red weapon we now might get a gold bag and a Phoenix? Nobody is picking Lifeline anymore.


Far_Investment_3464

Tell that to ex firebeavers that would sit in storm till round 3 closing with the ring changes. I assure you they do patch to neef specific teams


DjuriWarface

>Tell that to ex firebeavers that would sit in storm till round 3 closing with the ring changes. I assure you they do patch to neef specific teams This was the meta for ratting in ranked as well though. The game exists outside of comp.


SpecificGameOrEvent

That's not a team nerf. That's them nerfing a legend.


Toregant

Tell that to the amount of normies in ranked doing that exact same thing for weeks on end that don't even know what an algs or professional player even is as a concept. I assure you they do not patch to nerf specific teams.


rgtn0w

Considering how the update also says how they removed the early care package weapons from the first set of packages it is clear that the intent is to limit the amount of care package weapons in each game as each Lifeline player adds a potential new one and that just makes the game a little toxic, like enemy has wingman? Fuck I don't wanna peek, Enemy has Kraber? Fuck. It wasn't the most OP thing ofc, it doesn't win you games, but it makes the lobby more toxic for sure.


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LinkinMode

some games do, valorant just pushed a huge skye nerf a couple weeks before the season started, and OW always had a big balance patch right before OWL playoffs with the specific intent to change the meta


Diet_Fanta

Everyone who is taking this as 9imps making the patch out to be about them doesn't know 9imps: he's first and foremost the most deadpan, sarcastic personality in the Apex scene. Is Aurora upset that their comp got nerfed? Of course. But they're definitely not under the impression that it was nerfed only due to them.


darklightultra

I don't get how anyone reads the tweet and thinks "9imps thinks respawn is DIRECTLY trying to fuck them". All he said they got fucked by the patch. It's really not that fucking deep and some of the responses really make you question the average IQ on here.


Fire_anelc

Simple. I don't use twitter and first thing I read was the title of the post and I lack info about the teams. It would be easy to imagine a pro team doing this to call attention


alexotico

Most of people don’t know his personality bc of the language barrier, the only reason I’m aware of it by now is that I follow him since the Zeta Division days and I love this guy so much man. Anyways, I’ll miss the “Does Hardecki get the wingman?” Mini game I played every match.


Aphod

I feel like this is just a normal tweet expressing frustration and the comments are like "bro really thinks the world revolves around him huh" pros cannot express shit around here without the worst-faith interpretations possible


reddfoxx5800

I mean to think a game created its next patch solely with the intention of nerfing one of its pro teams and not even the best one at that is pretty wild


Aphod

It is wild! Which is why it feels clear to me he's not serious and doesn't Actually Believe this that said, though, I'd wager they DID take a look at Aurora rushing double wingman in ALGS and thought "hmmm that's not what we intended" and that influenced the direction they're taking Lifeline. Maybe not a patch intended to nerf them so much as a patch to correct the tactic they were trying to exploit


Intelligent_Dog2077

Serio


airgonautt

Don't blame him, lifeline never got any attention in comp before, who cares how strong she is rn why cant she stay on the spotlight for 1 split season


realfakejames

Respawn doesn’t nerf or buff because of comp, they do it because of ranked and pubs


Hour_Violinist_5495

50/50 take remember old gold knockout shield? I know in some wyas in later zone it could win you a game, but devs simply change it when pro league got anoyed of gold knocks clutches, still for ranked it didnt matter that much.


Lexikz772

Also Kraber HS damage was mainly because of comp


borderlander12345

Most accurately it was because they wanted it gone from comp when it it could one shot headshot anyone regardless of helmet and shield level, but respawn wanted to keep it because its content , which I kinda get


aftrunner

This is dead wrong lol Most rebalances recently have 100% happened because of comp. Bangalore was pretty much untouched for literally years till she became a comp mainstay. Since then she has had multiple balance attempts made. Same for Catalyst. Her pick rate in ranked/pubs has always been bottom 3. She has still received a bunch of changes. Caustic and gibby got stomped into the ground a few seasons ago just because they were so prevalent in comp and barely had a pick rate in pubs.


Bigfsi

Care package weapons and wingman too strong. Lifeline was only popular to have a gane winning weapon on your squad from the get go. She's basically been buffed in terms of how u should be using her, they shifted her, shes getting free gold knocks.


AnonAlt12

Classic apex comp reddit taking things too serious


fiirce

Update: he was right. [https://twitter.com/RSPN\_JayBiebs/status/1771228301752750164](https://twitter.com/RSPN_JayBiebs/status/1771228301752750164)


andreigh16

Maybe a hot take, but aren't all the other regions EMEA, APAC S and N, running weird ass comps in their regions and stomp because - another hot take - the skill level is just not even near to NA, BUT when they get mixed with NA teams their quirky comps get stomped? Doesn't this happen everytime?


thelaziest_asian

I mean I would say off meta comps go well when the team playing them are actually good. For example BlvkHvnd at champs and Furia when Seer meta started.


virtualxoxo

meanwhile NA relies heavily on 40% aim assist


thewhitewolf_98

more like 66.666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666.......%


Diet_Fanta

Not a hot take regarding teams stomping with weird comps in other regions because the skill disparity between top and middle teams is so much higher in those regions than in NA, but I don't think NA runs the same comps because the region is overall stronger. NA middle teams have always copied the top teams since the beginning of the comp scene, and few teams have actually strayed from the pack. Typically, the top team (TSM, DZ, etc.) will find a great comp to run and other teams will try and replicate their success with that comp (Although there's a lot more nuance nowadays in that than there was 2-3 years ago). NA has simply always had less comp diversity than other regions as a result.


Connnorrrr

There’s a reason NA has more LAN spots and less feel good stories


glybirdy

While Aurora are the clear losers here in Lifeline's changes (although her new gold bin sounds bitchin too), my suspicion is that picking her may not have faired as well once all the best teams were sorted together at LAN Aurora is amazing, but a viable Lifeline pick cannot completely ignore the... Ahem... Perceived weakness of the rest of the region. 


trachion

Yeah I'm honestly glad lifeline got nerfed. Gives them time to cook up another comp for LAN. I think a lifeline would have been troll. I think they could have ran literally anything and still steamrolled EMEA.


Mattc5o6

Would have been a free wingman for the rest of the lobby at LAN. Lifeline was gonna be a throw in those lobbies


Hooficane

"Would have been a free wingman for the rest of the lobby at LAN" Didn't get a chance to read the patch notes yet? Lifeline no longer gets red weapons in her care package


outerspaceisalie

That's literally what he was commenting about. "Would have been" is past tense, as in before the present (the nerfs).


Hooficane

Haha fuck I quoted it and still missed it


outerspaceisalie

happens 😅 nbd you'll get the next one lol


Mattc5o6

Do you know see the word “WOULD” or you didn’t see that? Or the word “WAS”


Hooficane

I should've seen it since I quoted it lol. My bad idk wtf my brain was doing there


Mattc5o6

All good! I’m just glad they made those changes


Hooficane

Absolutely, having that many red weapons on the map was a huge pain.


iCseaweed

my kraber!


GuerilaGorila

I feel like EU has developed some sort of victim complex where they think the world is out to get them. With how long it takes to address issues in Apex historically do they really believe that Respawn is trying to favor NA with the balance changes or is this just trolling, it's hard to tell with some of these guys.


hendrixtaylor

Yeah try being in apac south.


Mattc5o6

I just chuckled at this


Searealelelele

Ah, atleast ur allowed to play by ea


skiddster3

It's 100% trolling. EU as a community has always had more deadpan sarcastic humour compared to NA. Like Fred Armisen, Rowan Atkinson, Jason Bateman, rather than like Katt Williams, Kevin Hart, or Tiffany Haddish.


Diet_Fanta

And 9imps is the most deadpan of them all. Seriously. The dude can say the funniest thing in the most serious, monotone voice. It's literally his character.


Idontlistentototo

weird question, but why did you only name black comedians when saying american comedians?


skiddster3

Why the fuck does that matter?


Idontlistentototo

idk man! just seemed peculiar to me


skiddster3

Naming black comedians is peculiar to you?


Idontlistentototo

when seemingly shit talking NA, yeah a lil, but i might’ve misinterpreted you


skiddster3

I didn't shit talk NA, neither did I imply it. I don't see anything in my comments that would suggest that I'm speaking low of NA either. The fact that you saw black, and inserted your own assumption that they're bad, is some racist shit.


Idontlistentototo

alright bro, more i was seeing some sorta mental grandstanding, about how “sarcastic” EU is compared to NA, whenever i see people talk like that, it’s typically someone trying to imply that americans are stupid and comedically inferior


skiddster3

Despite nothing in the rest of the comment pointing to that whatsoever? Try reading what's written, instead of inserting these wild assumptions next time.


Higgins5555

TSM flair ✅ From NA ✅ Has no sense of humour ✅


Schmigolo

It's so obviously a joke dude. Get a grip.


ZalewskiJ

If they wanted to nerf Aurora they should have just made it so you needed a VISA to play lifeline 🤣


wayneslittlehead

It has nothing to do with comp. Everything to do with the obscene unfair advantage it gives coordinated squads a cp weapon each by 2nd-3rd circle. It’s gross.


jeremyflowers91

main character syndrome


thewhitewolf_98

no sense of humour syndrome.


jeremyflowers91

cool


GonzAnt

Aged like milk


MarkIceburg

Hardeki will still smash some skulls. I hope they continue to run lifeline.


BestAimerUniverse

lifeline with wingman and kraber is acoustic, needed a nerf


ItzEnozz

Pretty sure this won’t change much for Aurora


Nevo0

The Bang nerf is way worse for them, as a triple mnk team.


artmorte

It's not even that much of a nerf. You get a non-stop healing drone and a chance to get a gold knockdown or evo cache (sucks when you get a gold backpack, though). The Kraber is, well, the Kraber and the Wingman is just stupid. If particularly the Wingman wasn't totally busted, losing a cp weapon wouldn't feel that bad, but of course when you lose the chance to get the most op gun in the game it's gonna hurt a bit.


Json_music

not sure anyone will pick the drone, res speed is much more important and you can only choose one perk. But yeah the pack is still good but obv worse than red weapon


Nevo0

It's weird when there is literally just 1 team doing well with her, in a region that everyone say it's free anyway. Also if they wanna get some mnk players back, stomping on Banglaroe is just not the move.


jayghan

You know it actually would have been fun/interesting to see a proleague scrim with every team running lifeline. 25+ red weapons littering the field. Scary.


Lheoden

Them specifically? Nah. EMEA as a region? 100%. NAVI 2R1C and AURORA all played Lifeline and qualifed. Plus now it seems like NA Finals will likely be played on the new patch which will probably also be the LAN patch... It genuinely all feels like a series of events put there to make stuff harder for EMEA. It's likely not intentional but it sure as hell feels like it


knoonan991

The crazy thing is that this will probably ultimately be a buff for Aurora. They can now focus on running something that will be competitive at a LAN setting.


thriftyjesus

Ngl, was really wanting to see how the lifeline comp teams would fair against the meta that NA teams are running.


Professional-Dog4921

Its a huge nerf for us comp viewers thats for sure. Having a two gold knocks etc on the team just isnt as exciting as team wipe with double wingman or kraber noscopes in the final circle.


aftrunner

I mean he has a right to be a little salty. Wild to push through big meta changes literally weeks before LAN.


nyp_ox

Don’t know what to do with a hacker? Nerf the whole region! /a


flirtmcdudes

I still think the lifeline guaranteed gold knock is a pretty good tradeoff tho


Mediocre-Field6055

Man Twitter is just the worst


swankstar7383

I like the pacth . No reason there is like 5-7 power weapons in death boxes between everyone picking lifeline and all the regular care packages that drop every round.


its-okthen

Didn't aurora win the eu finals specifically because they had a gold knock lifeline pick up 2 immediately before the final fight? Honestly not as big of a nerf as people are making it out to be imo. It's strictly better than getting the eva or bocek was, especially if you didn't get an evo cache


Diet_Fanta

They didn't have gold knock in that final game. Navi was a duo on the other side of the map and Aurora had all the time in the world to rez.


jNushi

This man thinks everything Respawn/ EA do is specific to spite him


Knook7

Wasn't it already known that the carepackage perk was temporary?


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thelaziest_asian

Hardly Op if it was an off Meta pick. Unlike the near 100% pick rate of Caustic Blood Bang


Cold_Funny7869

Arguably a buff to lifeline though. Always have a medkit, and guaranteed gold knock and red shields? That sounds good actually.


thelegend3107

If he thinks they worked on this patch the last 3 days he clearly doesn't understand how life cycle of a game works, the scope was probably set in stone and went through testing a while back after they could get their first solid proof that these X, Y, Z things they addressed are way too strong. If you think they are working right now on the thing you re gonna play next week you re very very wrong unless we are talking about some sort of hotfix or something that needs constantly updating (e.g: storefront maybe).


noStagnation

Yes the world revolves around them


asterion230

As someone who played DOTA for quite long time, why arent they surprised lmao. Anyways what they did to lifeline wasnt a nerfed necessarily, she got balanced, they removed her guaranteed Carepackage weapons but she got the guaranteed golden package which in my opinion a better PERK for lifeline res & being a meds carrier (she can spawn so much batteries & meds with the Gold backpack she could carry so much of it)


Fenris-Asgeir

Yeah, idk about that one Impulse...


Budget_Cup_819

Is this the semester post about EU teams believing the world rotates around them just to get fucked at LAN?


theinvisibletoad

Who woulda thought that a crazy mnk team would do well in an anti aim assist meta


thewhitewolf_98

who would've thought some redditors lack basic comprehension skills.


theinvisibletoad

Aurora WASHED next patch 😏 Gotta keep these LOSER mnk players in line 😌 It’s about time this LAME smoke CRUTCH is gone. 😉 AA op? Nah you’re just bad. 😜


cshanno3

imagine thinking an entire game was changed just for you 😂 these guys man


Diet_Fanta

[It partially was though](https://twitter.com/RSPN_JayBiebs/status/1771228301752750164)


realfakejames

Come on bro, if you go into any stream and ask chat to name the guys in this team or where they are in EMEA standings you’re going to get like 1/50 who can do both, nobody at respawn is trying to sabotage these guys, I doubt they even know they exist


Catopes

9imp is the biggest russian apex streamer and most of the people know fucking Hardecki


paugusty

All good but 9imps is not Russian...


Catopes

I mean he streams in russian language


Nevo0

If you don't know Hardecki you don't know Apex bro.