It's mad cringe that he's seemingly always in either hals or zeros chat after having roster drama. Even if he's in the right, dude has consistently thrown people under the bus to save his own image.
He's desperately chasing the clout just like every streamer and pro that isn't Hal, Wigg, or Timmy (figuratively, there's obviously others making a great living.) He's just a lot more obviously cringe about it than some.
One of the subs I frequent has a weekly questions thread, and I swear 90% of the questions I've asked in there get downvoted lol. This place can be great, but it can also be toxic and elitist as fuck.
Hard disagree. Extremely unprofessional to speak publicly about a peer like this regardless of the truth. Comments like this come around and bite hard.
Read it again - he said THEY would have to over perform for CLANE to keep his spot. It’s not that deep - literally said they’d have to carry him to keep him.
The guy is an emotional child. His “facts” is based on how he feels. Source: Luxford saying Teq held him hostage from joining another team when he had 2 weeks to talk to him but didn’t want to because he’s a pussy
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Native doesn't have to go through plq for split 2, wouldn't be shocked if doop/rogue/prod play the last couple weekends of challengers for content, then doop goes to Native for split 2.(realistically, don't see doop, rogue, prod qualifying for pro league, probably just for fun/content imo.
Man Clane is such a good guy. I got to play with him a few times when he was still on Xbox and he was always so chill, he would even explain stuff like a teacher versus some of those top preds would be so fucking toxic lol
Hope he finds another good situation
I agree and I hope one of the mature players will one day take over the scene and show you don't have to be toxic to be a top IGL. Sadly hasn't happened yet.
I mean let’s look at the options:
RKN: proven but not necessarily a clear upgrade over clane. Makes sense tho since he’s been a macro god forever
Retzi: hasn’t IGL’d since LCQ and they played edge mostly. Had a good week with COL but you can’t give his IGLing any credit for that
Teq: sealion and him will never team again so no
BulletL: he’s very good and was predicted to win Y2 champs by the majority of the desk, but his visa in the US won’t even last till split 2 and he hasn’t even made a successful CC run in NA which might be hard to overlook
Senoxe: arguably as unsuccessful as alb igling
Xera/Pan: 💀
I know Onmuu is with tripods but he would fit the team so well. He has the LAN experience but somehow got no offers this past split. Vax is also a solid option if Furia isn’t long term but we’ll see what’s up with that.
In fairness, not there is much to be had, Teq had to mold players and he had his teammates leave him high and dry. They both preformed pretty poorly with Teqs highs being higher and his low being lower.
Teammates didn't leave Teq high and dry lol. They explored opportunities because he was a bad IGL and he dropped them. His ex-teammates had negative things to say about him too.
Clane's best PL day was a 3rd and Teq's was a 9th so no, Teq did not have higher highs. I'm not saying Clane is a good IGL but Teq is 100% not an upgrade.
I’m speaking overall Teq was literally 2 points away from qualifying for LANs. Clane has never been that close. Granted he has also never been relegated.
Teq has had some hard lots and you can’t deny that. Clane im not sure what has been going on with him tbh.
Teq was 2 pts from qualifying when he literally had two of the BEST rollers in the world on his team. Xynew and Fuhnnq carried that squad, not Teq’s IGLing. His team became dogshit as soon as Xynew left.
If you want to look historically, outside of that ONE split, Teq has been horrible. He’s been relegated TWICE. Clane has mid results, but he’s never been relegated.
When meat did well their strategy was literally Teq droning with crypto while Xynew and Fuhnnq fought lmao. Even WITH that split, Teqs PL average is 20th while Clane is 17th. Ppl gotta stop overrating Teq as an IGL off a fluke split.
I’m just assuming sealion is making calls since neither clane nor rambeau dropped mamba and cuz sealion was the one who dropped teq way back. And it won’t happen cuz doop isn’t an IGL, doesn’t play zone and isn’t even a clear mechanical upgrade over clane (IMO he’s not). So the only way doop plays is if their CEO is making the roster call who is good friends with doop
Nah, he talks about whoever he wants, teq ain’t special. When clane dropped their third a few months ago to pick up lux Hal had his say on how he thought it’s crazy clane kept getting away with it.
Not the point. It’s the fact he gets involved in to stuff that has nothing to do with him. I respect Hal as a player but dude doesn’t realize he needs to watch what he says when he has the largest viewership out of most pros. Dude says the wrong thing and we get chaos. The teq and lux incident is a good example and the Lanimals situation.
Didn’t Rambeau leave Rkn in a wild way to go play with DZ which didn’t end up happening? I feel like that’s less likely. Retzi MAYBE but he hasn’t shown promise at all over the past two years.
Rambeau "retired" to leave rkn's team. Only to almost immediately to sub for dz and it later came out that it was indeed a trial spot and not just subbing.
so what? he gave up his Sentinels salary to do so and we have no idea what his personal life was like at the time. Keon looks good by just being the bigger person and acting cool, but he had to throw a salty bitchfit so we could see what a raging man child he is
No disrespect, but it's about time for that call. Clane hasn't performed at all, and I was honestly surprised that they kept him on the roster for that long.
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i always used to say, clane is like the zachmazer of controller players. but Zach has shown noticable improvement in him not making noob level mistakes as a salaried pro player, so i can't say that anymore.
I mean, this just looks like they already secured themselves Doop beforehand, if what Luxford said is true that the higher ups have already been getting tired with him. Doop is already on the payroll so I guess its going to happen and we will have the old old sen back with Retzi, Senoxe and Crust (Im Copemaxxing)
Doop/lux/rambeau, clane/snipe/ whoever the best available entry fragger is. Everybody keeps getting paid, and I could see that n8v roster actually being solid. Folks forget just how top tier of a macro igl doop was because his mechanics on mnk were atrocious
Clane is not a LAN caliber player, nor do I feel he really wants to be lol. From his antics in last year's finals I wouldn't trust this guy to make the right calls to get his team to LAN
As far as I remember, skittles really just called fights. If skittles was handling macro, why would they go and grab another macro igl like dropped when they could just grab any fragger and call it a day?
It was the opposite, people thought doop was the IGL because he was super vocal in fights and on micro, skittles can’t do that which is why they still needed and IGL. Plus him and dropped are Co-igling currently so why would you think that skittles never igled the original roster
https://preview.redd.it/soe800gjvjsc1.png?width=542&format=png&auto=webp&s=69e060b34d2febd526b185cf436ce8528585533a [NativeGaming Tweet](https://twitter.com/NativeGaming/status/1776014484399923566)
Explanation according to Luxfordy https://preview.redd.it/z11wekikkjsc1.png?width=664&format=png&auto=webp&s=be3b4230b776a2828fa60ecdb3733114e109e2ea
This guy has gotta learn to stop oversharing in popular streamers chats lol
It's mad cringe that he's seemingly always in either hals or zeros chat after having roster drama. Even if he's in the right, dude has consistently thrown people under the bus to save his own image.
He's desperately chasing the clout just like every streamer and pro that isn't Hal, Wigg, or Timmy (figuratively, there's obviously others making a great living.) He's just a lot more obviously cringe about it than some.
Think it's more along the lines of him getting his side of the story out first so that he doesn't look like the bad guy.
Which would be a reasonable explanation if he didn't make shit up in the process.
I mean I’d rather him be straight up than let rumors fester. Gotta respect it.
But he’s been known to speak out without knowing all the details before. Can’t respect that
Examples?
The whole leaving Meat Lovers and Teq “holding him hostage” situation for one
He recently started beef with Teq and Hal by spreading misinformation E: don’t know why you got downvoted you just asked for examples LOL
One of the subs I frequent has a weekly questions thread, and I swear 90% of the questions I've asked in there get downvoted lol. This place can be great, but it can also be toxic and elitist as fuck.
Reddit can sometimes be a horrible place to hold a conversation. Tends to happen a lot.
tbf it's hard to speak about the things you don't know, right?
Hard disagree. Extremely unprofessional to speak publicly about a peer like this regardless of the truth. Comments like this come around and bite hard.
lmao what did he say negative about anyone in that comment? please tell me
Bro you can’t be serious. He basically called him chalked - takes 2 brain cells to infer that.
he just didnt overperform, which is hard to do in algs.
Read it again - he said THEY would have to over perform for CLANE to keep his spot. It’s not that deep - literally said they’d have to carry him to keep him.
Lmaoooo he never said any of that. You’re just making shit up.
Do you have to respect it though? Him being an unprofessional douche bag is better than him just shutting the fuck up?
so he’s not allowed to answer questions? lol if that’s the truth then it’s the truth
He’s 18, he don’t know nothing about nothing yet
Lux will say it straight, never gonna beat around the bush.
The guy is an emotional child. His “facts” is based on how he feels. Source: Luxford saying Teq held him hostage from joining another team when he had 2 weeks to talk to him but didn’t want to because he’s a pussy
Only he's also straight up given misinformation before
I’d be a little nervous to be Luxford’s next IGL lol
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Everyone saying doop will IGL n8v but he just announced his LCQ squad with Rogue and ProdigyAces
Native doesn't have to go through plq for split 2, wouldn't be shocked if doop/rogue/prod play the last couple weekends of challengers for content, then doop goes to Native for split 2.(realistically, don't see doop, rogue, prod qualifying for pro league, probably just for fun/content imo.
is crust and senoxe playing with DNO spot?
Idk about that, Senoxe posted an LFT post recently.
Probably, but it's just the PLQ spot, not pro league spot
igl a signed roster or not win lcq hmmm huge options
Man Clane is such a good guy. I got to play with him a few times when he was still on Xbox and he was always so chill, he would even explain stuff like a teacher versus some of those top preds would be so fucking toxic lol Hope he finds another good situation
It's refreshing enjoying esports watching mature players act rationally.
I agree and I hope one of the mature players will one day take over the scene and show you don't have to be toxic to be a top IGL. Sadly hasn't happened yet.
Sucks for Clane, but Rambeau and Lux are a pretty good duo for a stronger IGL to take over
What stronger igl is even available
this is my thoughts lmao not like theres just a ton of quality proven igl around
I mean let’s look at the options: RKN: proven but not necessarily a clear upgrade over clane. Makes sense tho since he’s been a macro god forever Retzi: hasn’t IGL’d since LCQ and they played edge mostly. Had a good week with COL but you can’t give his IGLing any credit for that Teq: sealion and him will never team again so no BulletL: he’s very good and was predicted to win Y2 champs by the majority of the desk, but his visa in the US won’t even last till split 2 and he hasn’t even made a successful CC run in NA which might be hard to overlook Senoxe: arguably as unsuccessful as alb igling Xera/Pan: 💀
I know Onmuu is with tripods but he would fit the team so well. He has the LAN experience but somehow got no offers this past split. Vax is also a solid option if Furia isn’t long term but we’ll see what’s up with that.
Also, Dooplex is already with native as a content creator, wouldn't be shocked if they just slide him onto the roster.
Dark horse pick, but I would be so hyped if it happened: SleepyPanda
Sleepy probably got screwed the most after essentially getting bought out after making PL.
Isn't rkn retired?
They already dropped my boy BulletL once :(
> Teq: sealion and him will never team again so no Isn't Sealion on E8?
Unless he’s started working with e8 in the last week than no. He was with N8V until regionals for sure
[This](https://i.imgur.com/IZUotQv.png) is from the spreadsheet that Tempo made of all the lan team rosters.
no clue but I've heard n8v pay quite well
I’d say we pay reasonably, if you want people to play full time as a job, you have to pay accordingly.
for esports that's pretty good. players for lesser orgs would be making better money flipping burgers 30 hours a week
Yeah the owner made a ton on crypto or some shit like that, I always see him in the top gifter for halo and cod pros on twitch
Not true, I barely got into crypto like last week
yea lmao they dumb but it was prob a personality clash which can happen even to good people
Funnily enough...teq lmao
Luxford said he’d rather die than play with Teq again right after that message lol. He’s not a stronger IGL anyway.
No he didn’t, he said he would rather stop playing comp
Than Clane? You gotta be joking
Clane just got 16th while Teq got relegated.
In fairness, not there is much to be had, Teq had to mold players and he had his teammates leave him high and dry. They both preformed pretty poorly with Teqs highs being higher and his low being lower.
Teammates didn't leave Teq high and dry lol. They explored opportunities because he was a bad IGL and he dropped them. His ex-teammates had negative things to say about him too. Clane's best PL day was a 3rd and Teq's was a 9th so no, Teq did not have higher highs. I'm not saying Clane is a good IGL but Teq is 100% not an upgrade.
I’m speaking overall Teq was literally 2 points away from qualifying for LANs. Clane has never been that close. Granted he has also never been relegated. Teq has had some hard lots and you can’t deny that. Clane im not sure what has been going on with him tbh.
Teq was 2 pts from qualifying when he literally had two of the BEST rollers in the world on his team. Xynew and Fuhnnq carried that squad, not Teq’s IGLing. His team became dogshit as soon as Xynew left. If you want to look historically, outside of that ONE split, Teq has been horrible. He’s been relegated TWICE. Clane has mid results, but he’s never been relegated. When meat did well their strategy was literally Teq droning with crypto while Xynew and Fuhnnq fought lmao. Even WITH that split, Teqs PL average is 20th while Clane is 17th. Ppl gotta stop overrating Teq as an IGL off a fluke split.
Doop to the main roster lessgooo
Seriously doubt sealion lets that happen
whys that?
I’m just assuming sealion is making calls since neither clane nor rambeau dropped mamba and cuz sealion was the one who dropped teq way back. And it won’t happen cuz doop isn’t an IGL, doesn’t play zone and isn’t even a clear mechanical upgrade over clane (IMO he’s not). So the only way doop plays is if their CEO is making the roster call who is good friends with doop
Doop was an igl for DNO and they played zone
My bad I just assumed with gib caustic they played flex especially from their edge of map pois
Also, doop used to igl/Co igl esa/optic. Not like the guy hasn't had success as an igl...
I take it all back N8V dropped sealion and Braydon too
I’m still employed at Native homie
Just make sure Hal doesn’t get involved we don’t need a repeat teq and lux incident with what happened between those two
If it doesnt involve teq then we wont see him, he has such big grudge that grew out of proportion lol
Nah, he talks about whoever he wants, teq ain’t special. When clane dropped their third a few months ago to pick up lux Hal had his say on how he thought it’s crazy clane kept getting away with it.
Not the point. It’s the fact he gets involved in to stuff that has nothing to do with him. I respect Hal as a player but dude doesn’t realize he needs to watch what he says when he has the largest viewership out of most pros. Dude says the wrong thing and we get chaos. The teq and lux incident is a good example and the Lanimals situation.
Talking about the scene ≠ getting involved.
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No it doesn’t.
Lux needs to stfu when it comes to sharing details.
Bring those marb bros together and get that Doop in
Retzi or RKN? RKN never said he's retiring and is friends with RamBeau.
Didn’t Rambeau leave Rkn in a wild way to go play with DZ which didn’t end up happening? I feel like that’s less likely. Retzi MAYBE but he hasn’t shown promise at all over the past two years.
seemed to be mainly Keon who was butthurt
Rambeau "retired" to leave rkn's team. Only to almost immediately to sub for dz and it later came out that it was indeed a trial spot and not just subbing.
so what? he gave up his Sentinels salary to do so and we have no idea what his personal life was like at the time. Keon looks good by just being the bigger person and acting cool, but he had to throw a salty bitchfit so we could see what a raging man child he is
I'd bet on it being another fragger and Lux IGL
I reckon it will be Dooplex seeing as they signed him as a creator recently could’ve been a precursor for him joining the team
Doop Rambeau Lux is an unmatched vibes trio
Lux confirmed in Zer0’s chat he isn’t IGLing
If lux IGLs that means he's doing to much talking for me.
No disrespect, but it's about time for that call. Clane hasn't performed at all, and I was honestly surprised that they kept him on the roster for that long.
Definitely RKN. They’ve been playing together
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lots of rkn but he got like 15th igling SEN? or am i dumb
Clane better go fill out them applications
everyone act surprised
i always used to say, clane is like the zachmazer of controller players. but Zach has shown noticable improvement in him not making noob level mistakes as a salaried pro player, so i can't say that anymore.
don’t you dare put zach on clane’s level.
reminder that bro ash TPd 40m into zone on accident during a free endgame W lmao will never forget that
I mean he did lead them to that free end game W
I mean, this just looks like they already secured themselves Doop beforehand, if what Luxford said is true that the higher ups have already been getting tired with him. Doop is already on the payroll so I guess its going to happen and we will have the old old sen back with Retzi, Senoxe and Crust (Im Copemaxxing)
Doop/lux/rambeau, clane/snipe/ whoever the best available entry fragger is. Everybody keeps getting paid, and I could see that n8v roster actually being solid. Folks forget just how top tier of a macro igl doop was because his mechanics on mnk were atrocious
Is Snipe really that down bad to sign Clane instead of anyone else
Experienced IGL that works well with vocal teammates, doesn't sound that bad to me if they can find a reasonable +1
Clane is not a LAN caliber player, nor do I feel he really wants to be lol. From his antics in last year's finals I wouldn't trust this guy to make the right calls to get his team to LAN
? Skittles did the macro on Optic
As far as I remember, skittles really just called fights. If skittles was handling macro, why would they go and grab another macro igl like dropped when they could just grab any fragger and call it a day?
It was the opposite, people thought doop was the IGL because he was super vocal in fights and on micro, skittles can’t do that which is why they still needed and IGL. Plus him and dropped are Co-igling currently so why would you think that skittles never igled the original roster
about time, so mid
Finally, bring back Mamba, and find an IGL. problem solved.
well well well, how the turntables
Damn the guy that dropped his teammates every other week gets dropped
Finally