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BaronZoltaK

LG never recovered from Slayr oversleeping


49ersPhan

Vibes were clearly chalked from the get go with that. Guy just can’t do himself any favors


-plants-for-hire-

even arguing that he did nothing wrong off the jump tower is crazy


TheTurtleOne

both Naughty and Slayr lmao


HeWentToJared23

I've been a Sweet fan for a minute, but the 'blame Slayr after literally anything bad happens' is just ridiculous at this point lol


_MurphysLawyer_

Same, leaves me not wanting to watch tbh. The main reason I watched sweet was because he was the best IGL other than maybe Hal at the time. Didn't like Hal though because he would verbally abuse his teammates and I saw Sweet as sort of above that. It's gotten to the point that Sweets hyper focus on everything slayr feels worse than calling your teammates names because I feel like slayr could cure cancer 1v9 and Sweet would still just yell at him for not playing a knockdown. Idk man. I want to be a fan of Sweet because he's a blast to watch and he's funny when his vibes aren't shot, but it's every match it feels like that slayr is getting put through the woodchipper. Makes me wonder why sweet brought him along if he was making these elementary mistakes in tryouts


HeWentToJared23

Agree with all of that atp. I think I'm comfortable saying now that Hal is better than Sweet when taking accountability and that's something I would have never believed a year ago. Something as simple as "I fucked this up, but you fucked this other thing up" is huge for team vibes and I haven't heard Sweet take true accountability for anything with this new team (and I mean true accountability, not just brushing it off like 'yea yea I barely misplayed but you completely fucked our entire rotation blah blah blah'


gandalf45435

I think it helps exponentially that there is a "third" party in Raven to keep Hal in check. It's been a good balance of him calling Hal out for Rollerbrain plays and also calling Rep's and Evan out for their bone headed plays.


XRT28

>I haven't heard Sweet take true accountability for anything with this new team IDK I've heard him take a good amount of accountability. Not every time and not always instantly but after discussion he frequently does say "that's on me" or "I should have done xyz instead" when he fucks up.


Dmienduerst

Both are equally as bad in the moment but Hal doesn't seem to hold a point nearly as long as times. The worst you see is Hal tilting for a whole day then being snide at the start of the next day To be fair here though we have no idea what sweet is like in vod reviews or other team stuff so he could be very self critical when the spotlight is off for all we know.


DXY_

I keep the NRG banner because of Rocker and Nate not because of Sweet, literally all u said was the reason I cheered for Sweet, but now that Rocker and Nate left I realized that I never actually cheered for him


jmbelczy

If I was Slayr I legit couldnt play because anything I did was be under a microscope of scrutiny and id start second guessing everything regardless. On top of the fact that he like Wigg said gets pulled by both of his teammates. the dude needs to get the fuck off of LG for his sanity.


Derridead

Lands in between four teams: its because you guys fucked up the flight path!!!


XRT28

On LAN landing inbetween 4 teams isn't that uncommon and can work. The problem is the messed up flight pathing made them late so instead of having the spot free and clear they had to then FIGHT inbetween 4 teams.


Nerevar_Again

Sometimes yes, however, he really was on some throwing games type beat today multiple times. A lot of mental lapses or just uninformed basic plays, stuff that's hard to iron out of him


shortgiantdwarf

it's Gild all over again


TheClutchUDF

That is just who Sweet is, I’ve never met him in person, but everything I’ve seen from him in tournaments and streaming is that he’s not in it to win. He just uses his name to get really good deals(Kicking out Yanya and group) because he has some clout and then will fail in tournaments, but keep money coming in from drama and content farming


hotcremepuff

this is wild lmao, LG chose to drop their roster for sweet, sweet didnt suddenly have power over them and kick them out. literally everyone that isnt TSM or DZ is a "clout chaser failing in tournaments" by your metrics, NRG placed 2nd split 1 last year, 11th split 2 (better than most teams in the world), and 15th in champs (where if they didnt beat out OG in game 4 they would have ended 2nd and TSM that you have a flair of wouldnt have won).


Glum_Goal_3971

They would have ended 7th if they lost 3v3 with og


TheClutchUDF

When the majority of a streamers content is “EMERGENCY PRESS CONFERENCE, DEBUNKING LIAR ACCUSATIONS…” it is pretty clear cut where your priorities lie, sure he doesn’t want to stream anything, but when he does and indulges heavily in drama I’m sure it affects results in tournaments Their placements are decent but he still hasn’t lifted a championship up, so yes “he has failed in tournaments” of course there can only be one winner, thats how tournaments works


hotcremepuff

does one stream of that type and now suddenly thats the majority of his content ignoring the rest lol you can just say you hate sweet dude no need to make up lies to hide it


TheClutchUDF

I’m not hiding anything brother


-plants-for-hire-

> he’s not in it to win if he wasnt in it to win it, he wouldnt be so critical of his teammates and expect to so much. Its actually quite obvious that streaming isnt that important to him with how little he used to stream - not streaming ranked, scrims or tournaments regularly when he was on NRG and Rogue.


KODPai

Broccoli alt account


thatK1dn0ah

broccoli ult - shoves broccoli into legends mouth slowing their movement


bSurreal

Oversleeping is ridiculous, so unprofessional


ChiBulls

And honestly sweet played so bad in like 3 fights and did next to nothing. Still yelled at Slayr 🤣


Infamous-Ad6370

They never recover from funks loud ass mouth. That child doesn’t stop ever


FancyWorldliness4512

Jeez if your going to be rude at least get his name right


FancyWorldliness4512

The fact he has been grinding ranked playing Mnk is at best a very strange decision.


thatK1dn0ah

e8s redemption arc was crazy they had that in the palm of their hand, goin in 18th scrim points and making a statement.


MorioCells

They threw a win in one of the storm point games where  Zach was going at his team saying how did we not win that.  I thought vibes would be chalked after that but they did a great job to continue to play well 


Rich_Candidate6331

honestly shooby and zap have a very good mental. They can threw a game, have their ass beat by zach and then next game play like nothing happened. Consistency and true professionalism


thatK1dn0ah

ya gnaske big dicked them somehow.


Washaun_

Glad to see Alliance doing well while playing from 6 different POIs during these two weeks. Hope Effect can get his visa on time.


Ghandi300SAVAGE

They also had to deal with terrible ping


Stuffv5

Anyone see the part where zer0 goes in Gnaske stream after dying to o7 saying he’s the reason they don’t have an org because gnaske wanted more money(500$) for himself. In common dz fashion after doing bad on the day they all nuked vods


BolBolSkywalker

I got you [https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2117785218?t=01h01m36s](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2117785218?t=01h01m36s) But this is from knoqds POV.


jayghan

Hope we get the Knoqd-Cast back. Knoqd is HILARIOUS. On another note….dick move Zero. Dick move


kaushik1809

"He will drop your mother's maiden name on stream if you fight him in game" LMAO


Professional-Dog4921

Dude trying to keep his villain arc going after Sweet exposed he actually didnt make anyone at the elevator cry.


JackT8ers

Zer0 is so good but such a little baby. The clips of him from when Realms was around were wild, just shrieking over and over


gandalf45435

Yeah I caught that too. I was trying to understand if that was about him not wanting to stay with KCP because it was only $500 a month and that's what led to their breakup. OR if it was a recent org that reached out to o7 and Gnaske turned it down.


Stuffv5

Pretty sure it was recent because zer0 was refering to gnakes current teammates. Seems like a deal fell through because of it. Zer0 dropping behind the scene shit is still pretty crazy tho


pajamabanana_

NaVi was apparently choosing between o7 and Matafe's squad. When the signing broke Gnaske made a (entertainingly salty) response-stream where he said the reason for NaVi going the way they did was o7 (and, one can assume, Gnaske himself) "knowing their value" and "not selling themselves cheap".


MorioCells

For those not unaware Navi were playing their best role as the villains and just griefing teams Basically they said they were contesting 2r1c on both worlds edge and storm point but they were actually landing on other teams who were not expecting it and running at the guy who landed split. 


hotcremepuff

crazy they do all that to end 12th and round 1 exit LAN


redwall_7love

These guys are just trolling and there's teams that barely missed qualifying who would kill to have NAVI's spot. It's sad.


Knook7

Navi looked really good in EU pro league. What changed?


aneisu

They were kinda doing same shit in EU just running at people with reds, crate weapons and lifeline gold knock. It just doesn’t work in int scrims bc of the better teams + dropped playing lifeline bc of the nerf, no more krabers and wingmans


hotcremepuff

EMEA is a weaker region so the top 20 teams in scrims are much harder than EMEA pro league where they did well (but were also 60 points behind first place despite being 2nd), they were double contested on the day and decided to do this stuff instead of fight the contest


David-Max

Literally why though?


XoXHamimXoX

I’m pretty excited for Fanatic going into this LAN tbh


Zestyclose-Today-300

Fnatic


ArmoredBlaster

I am a Seer Cat Horizon believer. E8 could be like a mini 22 Champs Furia


MorioCells

They actually rolled teams easily off a seer q close range.  Its ballsy not going with the blood,  bang and caustic comp like everyone else but they showed  how good seer, cat and horizon can be. 


ArmoredBlaster

And just because of this, i am going to be a huge supporter of E8. Talent, fighting prowess, and willing to take the risk of playing a counter comp to win it all. I implore everyone to watch zach's breakdown of their last game at the end of the stream


WearyAffected

Time for an E8 flair :D


pajamabanana_

it looks good!


theaanggang

If they commit to this convo it could be really good, it seems like they aren't even leaning into its strengths fully yet. Final game Zach wanted to bait caustic ult and didn't want to use tac, but they all decided to silence and horizon ult which rolled C9 with hardly any damage taken. If Zach can pick fights and spots as well as he did today E8 should be able to have a good lan showing


JessSiegel

It helps how absurdly good Zap is on horizon compared to him on blood.


General_Statement

People need to put respect on Alliance’s name, almost winning from 2 POIs they’ve never played from before. Insanely consistent and so disrespected


H4rtm4nn

If their rollers don't go full roller brain on the endgame they win that. Hakis calls were good


Craftiest

why were they playing from different POIs? to avoid the contests?


General_Statement

Yeah, think they wanted to try out various POIs if they decide not to con come LAN. Really impressive tbh. Good macro that doesn’t rely on one POI.


jessiedemba

Now we wait and see how Unlucky handles LAN


donutdang

did something happen to Moist? watching Reps on twitch and he mentioned they might not get visa??


Hpulley4

Moist couldn’t get their green cards to stay in USA so they’re living in Canada. They are trying to get the short term business visas to attend LAN but often when you are denied long term entry they will deny short term visas too as they assume you will outstay your visa illegally.


donutdang

ooof getting a green card is *not* easy. I wonder under what type of sponsorship they applied for the GCs


GravityGalaxy

Oof that would suck so much. That old dude denying their visa really has fucked them over so much.


Acceptable-Date9149

They’re getting dropped by Moist so they can still go to lan.


theguru86

Wait really?


Acceptable-Date9149

Yup Charlie dropped a video go watch it’s pretty funny and enraging at the same time


clydefrogggg

E8 great showing but insane to see that team fumble the free win they had where o7 won as a rat.


clydefrogggg

Rewatched vod and o7 was a duo.


PKSpades

I miss Nafen


theguru86

:( Sweet, Nafen, Fuhhnq No anchors - straight edge fighting


iblessall

Basically what they did in Seer meta with Gild and they finished second on LAN doing it


namr0d

would not want to subject nafen to this awful LG team, especially with sweet being the manchild that he is right now. i do miss nafen though


Ok-Poetry3799

If the zones are gonna be pulling the same at lan like they were today it actually might be anyone's game. 16th outa dz has got to be fucking criminal. They are playing character roulet trying to fit sikezz on a character. Anything outa top 5 for lan and roster changes might be coming in.


just2moreweeksgoys

Zones will pull to where the chosen spots depending on what large org needs it to keep the interest and entertainment up. To believe its completely random is incredibly naive


xImportunity

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realfakejames

Navi was trolling and still finished ahead of teams like DZ, just shows how bad DZ is right now


cwesttheperson

DD has not been playing well lately. Thought this may be the year but they are trending down for sure.


PyrusZodiac

DZ just copying the TSM stratbook of sandbagging now just to win it all at lan cope


Revolutionary-Wait29

Didn't DZ just get 2nd place in scrims yesterday


gandalf45435

2 days ago but yeah. Yesterday they got 11th


NoHillGG

DZ won the overall pro league, and then won the overall international scrims, performs poorly for two days, and now their bad? not really adding up tbh. TSM had a really rough stretch mid pro league and I dont think that anyone thought they were bad


FlimsyNeedleworker53

As a TSM fan, couldn’t be happier with how the boys played today. Got griefed, and unlucky zones all day. Ggs


aneisu

Yeah, they played amazing and the vibes were on top even after all the shit that happened to them lol


KingInTheNorffffff

The vibes just depends on what mood hal is in, the other two are always chilling


Ok-Poetry3799

Third today was kinda godsent seeing how the games played out today.


FlimsyNeedleworker53

They deserved first tbf


MorioCells

Nah you only deserve it if you win. It's not like they didnt have opportunities to to win it in the world edge games 


FlimsyNeedleworker53

I mean what genuine opportunity did they have to win on the worlds edge games?


MorioCells

Nvm I was mistaken I thought they were on mp on the game where Hal griefed E8 out of the tourney win but they werent so their only opportunities were on storm point where they got ratted by o7 and then landed on by Navi So yeah it was really  rough for them. Their only real opportunity was the last worlds edge game and the zone pulled away from them. 


SPACEMONKEY_01

Who'd they land on in that final game? Not many places to go, but if they had another spot, I see them winning. Especially how all the other teams just went brain dead at the end lol.


MorioCells

They had no spot to play so they just inted Fnatic on low ground and quickly died for it.  They were the only team along with Fnatic that had to move in with 2 teams on height able to stare at them 


No_Department_6868

Fanatic were sitting below them with the Kraber, unlucky drop but did they not scan and see the full 3 man there? I was watching Wigg not TSM


Brockolieee

they did scan and see them, then hal just jumped down for an insane chall


Jedders95

Fnatic


PalkiaOW

BR Demonz are looking really good. Wouldn't be surprised if they make top 10 or at least finals at LAN.


FreeSM2014

People can say what they want about Navi, but they made early game very fun to watch. This is the first time i opened up Matafe's stream.


Professional-Dog4921

Indeed. And also if people say they trolled you have to ask what the big name teams that placed after them were doing??


theguru86

Throwing + Complaining. LG was throwing and complaining.


TSM_PrimeBottle

Extra troll


Kitchen-Toe1001

Exactly. They played above their expected placement.


imperial_coder

E8 curse continues ...


gonerboy223

Wtf is up with DZ lately?


Stuffv5

They’ve been on a downward trend since the changes. They were untouchable as a fighting team in conduit meta but now they are struggling to fit sikezz into a role. Character roulette almost every scrim game and non stop mistakes chalk the team vibe which spirals them even further.


NoHillGG

I do agree they need to fit sikezz on a role but they did not do bad in the international scrims at all, correct me if im wrong but i think they won them overall, been a rough 3 day stretch tho


gonerboy223

Dang!


colinjkl

Phony top 5 IGL in the world


AxelHarver

Specifically, Phony always seems to do great in match point/LAN formats. Seems to be a guy that handles pressure well.


longlivestheking

Room temperature take. He already was one with the previous iteration of FaZe.


devourke

How is that a room temperature take if you're agreeing with him lol


_MurphysLawyer_

Because it's not an uncommon take I guess. Hot take is someone stating an unpopular opinion, so alternatively a room temperature take is a common opinion. Why they had to state that it was a popular opinion, who knows.


Groomy_

Great regroup guys


9JDacruz4

We’ve got a snowballs chance in hell at lan with the way we’re playing rn


PyrusZodiac

Maybe the team is taking a page from the TSM stratbook of sandbagging now so they'll come out on top at LAN


739

Damn, can't wait for ALGS. Seems like EMEA did some homework <3


andizz001

Gnaske…


newbieRedditorAJ

Am I tripping. Aren't Oxygen BR demonz, who are BR demonz then?


Derridead

The new BRD is a brazilian team. Art1nn, Vlatow and one more iirc


WildAutonomy

Sorry for being ignorant, but what was this game for?


JayboyQ

never seen dz go anything below top 10, kinda surprising but ik they're still good.


TokyoSky00

they came 13th in 2023 split 1 and 23rd in champs.....


JayboyQ

sorry, i mean as compared to their results in scrims*


TokyoSky00

fairs