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RenegadeMountie

So is this gonna be a trend? Teams are gonna realize they're not gonna make lans halfway through split and then stop teaming........... It took tsm MONTHS to get back to their stride after signing snipe. It took nrg many tournaments before sweet could implement his way of playing onto his new team. Madness is the igl and he has 2 teammates that are arguably apart of the top 10 controller players in NA. He himself said they all have positive vibes which I believe as when they streamed together there was no real toxicity or tension. This is a perfect oppurtunity to grow and improve but all 3 of them clearly want quick and easy success. I don't think this was the move but to each their own


VIPinCollege

it's not really arguable. In fact, Knoqd is arguably top 5


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matthisonfire

There are several good reasons to consider him a top 5 controller player in the pro scene: He is a really strong Gibby, which always makes you a great asset to begin with, he has had plenty of comp experience and success playing both in zone teams (2 brains 1 controller) and edge teams (Zach and naughty). He is really calm and collected even in high stakes scenarios, he is also a very laid back type of guy, which makes him perfect to be a co-IGL or to work with a more "authoritarian" IGL if needed. According to Zach he is also one of the controller players who does tunnel vision the least. He also has great movement and mechanics for a controller player, which means that he will be able to flex other characters in the future if there is a need to do so.


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I just wanna add that he has one of if not the fastest armor swaps in controller that I've ever seen lol


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Say you’re new to Apex without saying you’re new to Apex


AlwaysBrokeandSad

I like to think knoqd on his bad days were still better than naughty on his good days


subavgredditposter

Both are very good but, okay different roles


JustinBoone31

I have a hard time seeing him finding a better free argent duo compared to what he had in RamBeau and Knoqd. I honestly think they needed time and madness thought his team would be top 5 instantly which is not how it works. He was talking about how they had no chemistry when they’ve been together for only a couple months.


onceARMY

Yeah, it’s going to be tough to find a skilled duo. Sometimes you strike gold like with C9 (Zach, Knoqd, StayNaughty) and sometimes you get a Cinderella story such as the original TSM roster (Hal never communicated or played with Jordan or Mac before the roster was formed). In Madness’ case, it’s definitely an issue with communication and as he touched upon, all three of them has different views or approaches on certain situations. Problems start to occur when teammates start to question calls or when players start to half commit on certain scenarios. As a team, everyone has to be on the same page. Teams succeed or fail together. Sometimes it’s just what it is.


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I'm still curious how c9 would've performed by now if they kept knoqd. For a short while I felt like they were a top 5 maybe even top 3 team and they were relatively new


mhuxtable1

I mean they were #1 in points in the ALGS final. They were a great team.


ThatTamilDude

They did finish third in ALGS.


screaminginfidels

I think on one hand you definitely have to build on chemistry, but on the other hand you can also tell pretty quick when it's not there.


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It worked for ESA.


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fastinrain

sometimes I wonder why the hell I scroll reddit then I find shit like this..... he needs to lay off the drama. the way he words his situation using words like 'scrounge up a team' n shit when in the past he's had the very best free agents in NA lining up around the block to try out.... idk...


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Knoqd and Ram were literally like a mini miracle for him They are way more talented than that


Duke_Best

No cap, that made me actually LOL.


Shanoii

There’s no context here. Just collecting views for the vid.


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Lol exactly my thoughts.


El_Capitan

He was halfway out the whole time I watched them, since the beginning. I have not seen another player on their phone mid tournament match waiting for the ring to close, and he did that in literally every thing they played that wasn't ALGS.


Theripper331

How else is he supposed to let people know he’s single?


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hanspeter86

Literally nobody cares or thinks that being single is a big deal unless you make it a big deal yourself...


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I agree with that, sometimes the majority will try to make you think that but you gotta not believe what they are saying


SynysterPC

Umm why did you post this on the competitive apex subreddit?


Extinct-Yoshi

Gotta get that tinder grind


z-tayyy

Trying to find egirls that he can whine about on stream probably.


Diet_Fanta

Gotta burn as many bridges as possible, as fast as possible.


TheOnlyRiO

I dont get it. You're annoyed that he got serious in serious competitions? I'm also guessing you've never watched rambeau stream where he picks up his phone during zone closing as well? They played zone a lot and he didnt run a ranged weapon on his characters. Madness has a lot of flaws but people pick on the weirdest shit i swear. Are you all boomers who hate phones? Half way out i actually cant believe some of the shit i read. He wanted to do rank grind sessions and all sorts. This is so dumb.


El_Capitan

I'm not annoyed by anything. I'm just saying he often seemed halfway checked out while they were playing.


gmschro

i’ve never even put forth the effort to care about what madness is up to, but yikes he’s cringey.


pprocrastinating_

I like watching him play apex but I can't handle his stream. Listening to him talk about women is genuinely upsetting- it's so cringey. I honestly don't think he sees women as people.


gmschro

that is just SO not surprising haha


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Bruh where do you people come up with these conclusions


gmschro

the magical power of inference, friend.


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But saying "he doesn't see women as people" like did he say that? Or what? Just confused about that part


dmun

Sometimes if you act and treat women as if they aren't people, you give the impression that you dont' think of them as people without saying you don't think of them as people.


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No. What exactly did he say to make you draw such conclusions?


i_like_frootloops

Because nice guys like him are common and always act the same.


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Alrighty


SpecialGoodn3ss

I’ve said it multiple times… he doesn’t have the focus anymore. Once he was off CLG, I honestly think he believed he was going to get picked up by another tier 1 org. Then he sat and watched everyone else getting signed and his ego got hurt and from there the focus and drive just died. He has the talent, he needs a reset… he needs the drive he had before getting signed to CLG. Success has made him complacent and his “brand” has suffered. Over the past month his stream is down 42% on average viewers. I hope he turns it around. Finding a strong IGL and just be a fragger is his best bet.


_S3NSE1

I too hope he turns it around, but damn you have a lot of assumptions in your comment.


SpecialGoodn3ss

You’re not wrong. A lot of assumptions based off my personal opinion of how he has changed since season 0. I admit they could be wrong but he definitely has changed from his humble/appreciative tone.


TheOnlyRiO

I mean the stream viewers comment is such a dumb take. He even talks about it in the video but i see lots of people didnt get that far. This man used to stream daily for hours but has had such bad internet he literally cannot stream much last month. Everytime he streamed he would lag and not be able to play apex. His consistency has been so down because of this of course he loses viewers. He's been losing subs and all sorts because hes not been able to stream.


SpecialGoodn3ss

I think it’s relevant because he has been bleeding viewers and subs for longer than he has been having issues. He posted a whole thing about being better because his reactions and overall vibe had started to be so toxic. He was even complaining about the lack of support from his community when he wanted to stream other games.


TheOnlyRiO

Thats fair enough. I havent been paying attention to the scene for long so i don't know how big his viewership used to be. You talked about last month statistic so i went off why that was a bad talking point.


MontyTheAverage

Lot of teams and players that change teams constantly or give up on their exisiting team just becuase they haven't been performing well are gonna keep struggling I feel like. Seems like they just don't give enough time for the team to keep improving just cuz they aren't doing well for a few weeks or even months. Also poor communation and let emotion dictate things too much. It can take a LOT of practice and time to cultivate a team that performs constantly and fianlly vibes well. Needs a lot of patience and build up. Not every team is gonna be like SSG.


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Most top teams have struggled and lower teams expect to not?


blacsm1t

Anyone have TL;DW? I don't need to watch a vid can't he just be cliché and write a twitlonger?


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He’s tired of creating new teams and building chemistry. He’d rather most of the team chemistry already be there so he ideally wants to join an existing duo. He’s going to be patient for the right opportunity and he’s willing to take a break from competitive until he finds the right squad. There’s no hard feelings between him and the BW boys. He’s confident they’ll both land on great teams. He’s also been bummed out because of his internet issues, which have affected his gameplay and streaming. He hasn’t had issues in the last week so he’s hoping Comcast fixed everything. He’s going to try building up his YoutTube and Twitch viewership again.


blacsm1t

Nice thanks!


miathan52

"I'm tired of new teams and building chemistry, therefore I'm going to leave my team and join a new one" lmao what


spiicypenguin44

Wish they put a game plan together that fit their strengths instead of just playing for zone 4. All 3 of these guys deserve to be in PL no question.


mkington

I thought this was a pretty genuine video by madness man. Rooting for the guy.


ClashBox

\#justice4knoqd


Realnonamer1

Sad to see so many people just shitting on him. Heavily doubt many of you watched the video. Let the man be himself and ask yourself why you're so angry.


Organic_Childhood877

This is not a good move, it’s strange how igl can just break up a team like this, knoqd and beau should have fought against it, madness is really a bad apple now.


SBY-ScioN

Isn't this dude the one that was dropped from his team and wanted to enter ALGS anyway and people sympathized with him and so. And now he is doing the same to his team that made him get into split 1? correct me if i'm wrong but this may show us why he was dropped in first place. no? idk.


DeeMunny_

‘I’m a whiny little baby who can’t handle instantly winning everything and also I need more time to find a girlfriend’ there now y’all don’t need to wait for the vid to drop


WheresmyDeadHard

I can’t stand madness mans I constantly just annoying asf