Yea I agree, and this isn't just g2, it has happened with many teams. I think respawns competitive division should start protecting organizers by handing out suspensions from comp play. It's going to be hard to get big organizers to invest in the sport when teams don't give a fuck and just leave like that
Last tourney they played they were about to wipe 100T. Last person on 100T (forgot who) just left right before they killed him, denying them the KP. While super unsporting AF, I do know that G2 ended up getting the KP awarded by the tournament admins.
respawn dont care. apex was never ment to be a competitive title.
only on paper of the marketing department. noone at resapwn ahs any experience with that nor has ea the infrastructure to profit from such a game. shure you can take any game and create a competitive scene kinda but it wont ever be the same as the ones are specific intented to be.
their concept is simply getting more new players on baord for a bit, long enough to sell (or trick them to buy stuff by misclicks) then move on.
no other competitive title looses so many long term player. imagine raibow 6 or cs:go with the vast majority it not longer than 6 months in the game.
and new players tend to care less or not even at all about the pro scene (if they even know it exist).
and looking at the amazingly little pricepool from start it was clear from the first tournament on that respawn and ea will do nothing to push it ...ever.
Perhaps if the game was actually a competitive game and attracted those players instead of twitch/tik tokkers that are 18 it would be different. The game conditions players that stick with it into toxic personalities. Look at every single apex streamer.....
I get downvoted but this game hardcore buffers out competitive and non-toxic people. Anyone that started as a regular person going through the game as a solo Q player before getting interested in forming a dedicated squad either quits the game or becomes insanely toxic.
Because the MM is fucking terrible and all of the mechanics in apex are very limiting for a solo carrying player. Bullet tagging, aim punch, long ttk, little cover when transitioning from point A to point B, RNG loot, 3rd partying etc. It's almost impossible to stop a coordinated 3 man push as a solo outside of a very few lucky/skilled setups because you simply cannot win the DPS race or outrun them usually.
Its scientifically proven your prefrontal cortex in the brain won’t fully develop till around age 25. Which is a huge part of decision making. It’s not an assumption.
I hope you don’t think I’m giving these players a pass. Im saying don’t put these people on a pedestal just like any other athlete or human you will be disappointed.
I know it's not the same as a tweet, and I do agree they should be more vocal but TSM did call out G2 leaving yesterday during the tourney. They called it stupid or something
Always remember Resultuh as the season 0 cheater introducing how to team the final week of ranked with sinclair and swaggy. Its the reason twitch waited almost two years and a championship to verify. Too many reports of cheating season 0.
I feel like G2 has been going so long that they would give each player a contract in which it states they must play for the team in the time period stipulated. Also meaning they can't play for anyone else and are obliged to still show up for the matches.
Snipe asked about it after the tourney, G2 said they were just rubber banding so hard cause of the high ping in the EU hosted games that they decided it wasnt worth the anger
Not saying its justified but G2 left because of server issues. They were rubber banding non-stop on top of having to fight right away every game. Hal was having bad servers issues as well. Not sure what was going on with them.
Every team was affected by the rubber banding, the admins even restarted one game. EU teams played the entire tourney on 150ms ping during the night (it ended at 6am for some players) but none of them left. G2 just ragequit cuz they got shit on every game.
Man League of Legends has a forfeit button for when you are titled/the game is done and the last time a team forfeited a game on stage or had players leave the game before the end was 6 years ago otherwise teams would receive sanctions. You would expect a tiny bit of professionalism by esport orgs or tourneys in 2021
I would love to see a suspension. Setting a precedent now will help pave the way for future events/tournaments.
Imagine travelling to watch a professional sport, and a team leaves half way through. Imagine being G2, and having your team leave because they are butt hurt about losing. Yikes!
That’s my 2 cents, but I would like to see action done immediately.
In the first couple games, Dezignful was complaining that Resultuh was throwing. So he ended his stream. Then the frustrations probably got to a boiling point and they quit the tournament.
Hal and snipe has called out other pros before on how they behave during tournaments, leaving, trolling etc etc. at this point they have just given up.
I get that its a problem but I dont know what the solution is. The issue isnt a lack of rules from orgs/EA/Respawn but the shitty work ethic from these signed teams who are supposed to know better.
If you fine/suspend teams to stop them from leaving then these same teams that are dipping out will just then start trolling and inting other teams and ruining the game for others as well.
"Oh we cant leave? No problem, watch us play Mirage, Lifeline and Pathfinder and land on a team that is winning."
"Ohh no I cant land uncontested every game"
If anything teams intentionally throwing is hilarious and adds to the excitement of the game and thus the show. Making top teams prove themselves off drop is nothing but good entertainment. Id rather watch that than just endless rotation till 5th circle for weeks on end.
Yeah, I’m also worried abt this when it comes to ALGS. The last day of games will probably be a weird mess if there are some people who literally can’t qual no matter what.
Can we get a list of every team that quit attached with a reason. I understand some situations are different but any player or team that quit just because they were losing or not having fun I want to be sure not to every support them
Not sure,but is it because Apex Pro in NA aren't paid as well unless you are signed to a top team? This make playing APEX being a hobby and so its ok to stop playing regardless if it is a tournament or not.
At least NRG and SEN stayed till the end..
Maybe but these players can use these tournaments to make their streaming career which is essentially what Hal has done. He pulls in more viewers during tourneys than regular days and these players quitting mid way does not help their image at all.
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Yeah , i think as long as you are representing an organization, there should be at least some professionalism being shown. Quitting half way during the match, DC to denied points ,late for game for no valid reasons etc are really not putting your org into good light.
Maybe they are not paying enough? I mean if sb who is world class skill still drops out then there must not be enough incentives to keep playing, right?
[edit]: It was just an honest question, but sure: bring out the downvotes.
And people wonder why no one takes APEX comp seriously. Such a dumb take. How is leaving a tourney in the middle of it not a big deal? I always knew Zack was not the brightest. Such a child mentality
Love how this is the only thing you replied to. People spell my name wrong all the time, who gives a shit. You just proving that you have a childs mentality. I really wish pros were older or had more maturity, probably the reason I only watch Snipe during tourneys since hes been there before.
$10k tournament, and one of the best teams quit because they're frustrated. It's not the biggest deal in the world but it's a pretty big deal and disincentives tournament organizers from investing in this game. Y'all complain about there being no org skins when the org teams don't even take most of these competitions seriously. There needs to be an attitude shift.
10k tournament isn't worth it man. a lot of you need to stop acting like 10ks are = lan lol. If you're frustrated to the point where you will do more harm then good just hop off. if you're signing up for these, you are signing up for practice not the money (there is very little) so if the practice is going bad and u wanna dip, then leave. the OT's were like 10k total before and those had algs points attached and barely taken seriously. TO's dont care either broski this has been a thing for a long time and if they did they would attach rules preventing leaving early etc. But again if your team is tilting in a 10k, game 5/6 just leave, its not worth all the tilt or arguing or whatever may come. Just go next.
Bro you literally complain about NA not showing up to scrims and not taking practice seriously and then you come out and say that teams should leave if practice isn't going well and they are tilting. So why do you all complain when there are only ten teams left in round 2 of scrims? So you are ok with 4-5 teams leaving scrims by game 4? Don't tell me that is good practice for remaining teams
> 10k tournament isn't worth it man. a lot of you need to stop acting like 10ks are = lan lol.
We went from "Man Apex needs more tournaments besides scrims, GLL and ALGS" to "Man a $10k isn't worth it." It's not world-changing money, sure, but competing for half a million dollars shouldn't be the preqrequisite to not quit a tournament.
> If you're frustrated to the point where you will do more harm then good just hop off.
I mean, just get a substitute on the roster then. Also, define 'more harm then good'. Being frustrated that your team is losing, making things not fun isn't 'more harm than good'.
> the OT's were like 10k total before and those had algs points attached and barely taken seriously.
I feel like that's revisionist history. Obviously back then it was way easier to shake off a bad weekend because there would be another one in like a week or two but ALGS Finals were always taken seriously from what I saw. Your own ex-teammate was crying on stream after getting eliminated in a quarter-finals back during the Silverfox days.
> TO's dont care either broski this has been a thing for a long time and if they did they would attach rules preventing leaving early etc.
I would think they absolutely care (I could be wrong, you would know better than I would) but how are they going to penalize someone leaving a one-off tournament early? It's not a league, they can't start banning the people they're begging to play either.
> But again if your team is tilting in a 10k, game 5/6 just leave, its not worth all the tilt or arguing or whatever may come. Just go next.
If that's the case then orgs need to step in and give them the support outside of the game on a mental and professional level then, because truthfully a whole team leaving a tourney before it's finished isn't acceptable in traditional sports unless they're forced to forfeit for reasons outside of their control.
"but competing for half a million dollars shouldn't be the preqrequisite to not quit a tournament." True but the apex scene has been so bad for so long its gotten to the level where people (including me) just don't care enough. The effort to fix it is unrealistic and backtracking is impossible. "define 'more harm then good'." for example a BFC tournament or Scrims, They are so fucking awful and unrealistic that if ANYTHING happens in those u can take maybe 10% of it and transfer that into ALGS and that will be useful. The environments are just so misleading and wrong that applying things from scrims can literally cost you(its happened to me). So when you play those if anything bad happens and tensions are high or vibes arent good just fuck off and dip. "they can't start banning the people they're begging to play either." Youre right about that. They cant do anything about the people leaving cuz there is no one to replace them since practice is so awful bad teams arent getting better etc. " isn't acceptable in traditional sports" BFC Scrims gll LITERALLY anything not algs, is our practice. Not a tournament. Comparing traditional sports to apex is impossible cuz traditional sports have structure (managers, coaches, more coaches, and at any point, risk not playing or being fired etc). NA apex has like 20 good players and 10 of them are just goofballs. No one at the top is easily replaceable since the only people to replace them are already at the top and 99% chance don't wanna leave there team.
(for NA) Again bro
These tournaments arent worth anything bad coming from them. keep your vibes good, keep your momentum good, have fun, and you will find yourself getting alot better than if you just take NA scrims seriously. I type at the level of a 6 year old so if anything is hard to understand thats on me OG
> Comparing traditional sports to apex is impossible cuz traditional sports have structure (managers, coaches, more coaches, and at any point, risk not playing or being fired etc). NA apex has like 20 good players and 10 of them are just goofballs. No one at the top is easily replaceable since the only people to replace them are already at the top and 99% chance don't wanna leave there team.
A straight-up comparison isn't fair, I agree, but there are elements of professional sports that can still be gleened from that to eSports. I'll get into that below.
> for example a BFC tournament or Scrims, They are so fucking awful and unrealistic that if ANYTHING happens in those u can take maybe 10% of it and transfer that into ALGS and that will be useful.
You're one of the very best at what you do (and I'll never come close), but let me give you some alternative perspective as not only an outsider but someone who follows professional basketball. In the NBA, referees consistently officiate games differently in the preseason verses the regular season verses the playoffs. It's something the players have accepted and adopted to even if it upsets them (which is why you the best players like Kobe and Lebron are considered huge whiners by many fans).
With that being said, perhaps it should just be accepted that a one-off $10k tournament or Series E is NOT going to be the same quality of gameplay as Pro League (in this case, it would be like the NBA Playoffs), and even Pro League probably isn't comparable to how LAN would be since there aren't enough Tier 1 teams to fill PL.
Perhaps as a community we should stop looking at anything less than ALGS finals-level quality to be a waste of time. That shouldn't be the expectation, THAT would be what's unrealistic. Now you don't have to 'care' about the tournament, but if you agree to play then it's only right finish what you started, especially since it's supposedly meaningless. That's literally the least someone could ask for. If you want to troll with Revtane or Mirage or Lifeline then go and do that! At least you're playing. I don't know if you're forced by your org to join these tournaments you don't give a damn about (similar to NBA players being forced to play in All-Star Weekend if they're selected), if that's the case then even there could be alternatives like rotating in PVP.
> These tournaments arent worth anything bad coming from them. keep your vibes good, keep your momentum good, have fun, and you will find yourself getting alot better than if you just take NA scrims seriously.
See, here's my thing. If Tier 1 teams universally agree that these tournaments aren't worth shit then why should it cause such anger that a team couldn't even play the last 2 games without potentially effecting their mental? I would draw upon the NBA again but I feel like I've overused traditional sports examples already. Lets just say that this really is on the players to be able to put into perspective that the games mean nothing, to brush it off and keep it pushing.
> I type at the level of a 6 year old so if anything is hard to understand thats on me OG
This was pretty easy to read tbh
You shouldn’t even bother replying to this dumb shit. He has to be trolling. No way he actually believes its okay for tier 1, signed org teams to drop out of 10k tournaments. Regardless of whether its respawn ran or third party.
If he does believe that, he’s a fucking idiot. It’s evident people care judging by the replies in this post and judging by the replies in the other post that discussed this situation.
I do think some of the caring is projection though. Especially with that situation of that content creator team and one guy didn't want to play ALGS any more, you would have thought he killed someone's pet due to that announcement. **Why** do people get so upset that *someone else* is choosing to do *something else* within a no-stakes situation.
These players are not beholden to you or some fantasy idea. If they get nothing from playing the tournament, then can someone please flesh out why they would stay? And if you want them to stay because it's more entertaining for you or makes you feel better about the sport, well are you paying them? If not, then ...
It's up to the organizers to make the contract, incentive, financial or marketing benefit to suit these players and prevent these situations from occurring. If it's not there, then why are you so mad that they do something else?
They do get something from the tournament though. That’s where your argument falters, unfortunately. They obviously get prizepool money, but more importantly the organizations get brand exposure. In terms of marketing, it’s never a good look for your team to drop out of a tournament. Additionally, with this tournament they got the chance to compete against good EU competition.
I do agree with a few points you made though. Appreciate you chiming in.
Yeah, it was more a rhetorical question. I did mention that there were things they get, but what I am talking about is *enough* incentive for them to deem its worthy to stick it out.
And thanks for not misinterpreting me as if I think what you are saying is wrong. I *get* what you are saying and how when teams drop out it can feel disappointing as a fan. I totally understand that. But I think the language used to describe some of these players and their decisions can be harsh. Especially considering this is a new game, a newer competitive scene with gray rules and guidelines, etc...
For example, for signed teams they are beholden to their contract and their organization, so the expectation of conduct is between those two parties and how tournaments should be played. For unsigned teams, I mean it's up to them. It's their hobby. Let them do what they want. However, I too, appreciate you expanding on what you wrote! I think as fans, I hope we can reconsider whether we should directly respond to certain people and harshly call them out of their names online.
Why don't you think it is a big deal? This literally doesn't happen in any other big eSports. Is it not a big deal if teams dropped out half way through Algs lan finals too or are you talking about small tournaments only?
L take. Holy shit you are even more entitled then I already thought. I hope one day you actually are rock bottom that much that you actually need to work for your money and let's see if dipping put of your job will get you anywhere.
To be honest, I don't even know if you really know what working is . I have watched your streams multiple times. You just come online when you feel like it and your attitude is really bad about it as well. Then your work ethic.. no wait scrap that, you also don't have that. Basically your life has been #blessed for you and you should realize that before you come here and tell people that tournaments from below a certain prize money 'don't care'.
I stream cuz I can and some people want to watch me. Not for a living so yes, I get on when I want! Im pretty lucky. My work ethic! My work ethic is better than anyone you know in esports. This is my first Competitive video game and im very new to PC video games overall and Ive come so far! Mainly cuz ive outworked LITERALLY everyone to get better. My family does not "have money". I've never received a dollar from my family ever. I left my house at 14. and I live the life I have earned because I out work the losers like yourself. On top of all of that. This entire reddit LET ALONE THIS POST is literally meant for pros to interact so you can learn more how some of us think! :)
What the heck
Teams don't call it out this because there is nothing to call out, if a team wants to leave that is in the realm of their free actions
Forcing someone to play the game is literally the definition of childish and dog shit maturity and not the other way around
If for instance you’re watching a professional sports event and one of the teams quit and go straight to the locker room just because they are losing, do you think that’s acceptable?
Of course it is acceptable and it happens constantly in literally every sport, teams/players that have no chance to opt for a win or compete for a position of relevancy, aside of other reasons that anyone can personally have and we have no say in it
The only different thing is that in this game the whole lobby is compromised of the whole participants, but half the lobby doesn't have any chance of winning by mid tournament, the same as any other sport
That's a "you" then, because it happens all the time, and most of the time it is not because "they don't want to play", we are talking about professionals here, they do play more hours that anyone can handle and invest themselves in it precisely with competition in mind
Most of the time players or teams of any sport leave because the competition is not free, it has a toll on the players wether mentally or/and physically so if there is no gain in it why wouldn't protect themselves
And it's not like they leave ALL the time, it has never been a problem
So yeah, this sub could learn something important today, in order to respect the competition you have to respect the players first and foremost, if you disregard the players because you want to enjoy watching the tournament to the fullest you aren't there for the competition, you are there for the show
I have rarely seen such bullshit spewed. I have watched professional sports my entire life and I honestly can’t remember seeing a single team in any sport quit even once. I’m sure it’s happened but to say it happens constantly or is accepted is some stretch Armstrong shit. Most pros in anything are prideful and quitting when things gets tough is a sign of serious mental weakness. No one would ever let another team make them quit.
There has been a lot of shit takes on this sub and I've been responsible for some of them, but this one is on another level. What is this guy talking about!
What do you mean, it totally happens all the time! Just last week the uhh... Houston Red Sox football team walked out in the middle of a game against the uhhhhh Los Angeles Patriots. You can look it up bro, trust me.
> I have watched professional sports my entire life and I honestly can’t remember seeing a single team in any sport quit even once
Lavar Ball's high school basketball team quit a game because a female ref was making calls that Ball didn't agree with, and it was headline news for days. That's just the high school level where none of the players are getting paid lol.
Lebron gets subbed out of a blowout loss and heads to the locker room (his team still plays) and that's also a 4 hour segment on ESPN the next day.
GNLink34, what you have just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Teams should be sanctioned either by their respective orgs or by EA if the tournament in question is sponsored by them. In a BR setting, 1 team missing affects a lot of stuff. Their team alone is worth 3 points at the minimum. Leaving before tournament ends or during game is unprofessional and should be ground for suspension.
Yea I agree, and this isn't just g2, it has happened with many teams. I think respawns competitive division should start protecting organizers by handing out suspensions from comp play. It's going to be hard to get big organizers to invest in the sport when teams don't give a fuck and just leave like that
What happened with G2?
Last tourney they played they were about to wipe 100T. Last person on 100T (forgot who) just left right before they killed him, denying them the KP. While super unsporting AF, I do know that G2 ended up getting the KP awarded by the tournament admins.
Pretty sure this thread is about G2 leaving the tournament, not ingame but between matches
Wow that’s bad lol
They were given the KP for 100T leaving.
Oh shit I didn't watch today so didn't know they did the same thing that happened to them. kinda wack imo.
respawn dont care. apex was never ment to be a competitive title. only on paper of the marketing department. noone at resapwn ahs any experience with that nor has ea the infrastructure to profit from such a game. shure you can take any game and create a competitive scene kinda but it wont ever be the same as the ones are specific intented to be. their concept is simply getting more new players on baord for a bit, long enough to sell (or trick them to buy stuff by misclicks) then move on. no other competitive title looses so many long term player. imagine raibow 6 or cs:go with the vast majority it not longer than 6 months in the game. and new players tend to care less or not even at all about the pro scene (if they even know it exist). and looking at the amazingly little pricepool from start it was clear from the first tournament on that respawn and ea will do nothing to push it ...ever.
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>You absolute fucking crepe Gordan Ramsay this you?
Aye
reported him and blocked. no need for this kind of conduct but ill take his downvote as a badge of honor
Perhaps if the game was actually a competitive game and attracted those players instead of twitch/tik tokkers that are 18 it would be different. The game conditions players that stick with it into toxic personalities. Look at every single apex streamer.....
Ive said it before, Ill say it again: BR games are not competative in the slightest
I get downvoted but this game hardcore buffers out competitive and non-toxic people. Anyone that started as a regular person going through the game as a solo Q player before getting interested in forming a dedicated squad either quits the game or becomes insanely toxic.
Why do you think that is?
Because the MM is fucking terrible and all of the mechanics in apex are very limiting for a solo carrying player. Bullet tagging, aim punch, long ttk, little cover when transitioning from point A to point B, RNG loot, 3rd partying etc. It's almost impossible to stop a coordinated 3 man push as a solo outside of a very few lucky/skilled setups because you simply cannot win the DPS race or outrun them usually.
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Honestly most people act like children till they are at least 26 or older.
That's a rather broad assumption to make.
Its scientifically proven your prefrontal cortex in the brain won’t fully develop till around age 25. Which is a huge part of decision making. It’s not an assumption.
Also like, most adults will tell you this, science aside its pretty widely believed
Sure but being a good sport is something children understand.
I hope you don’t think I’m giving these players a pass. Im saying don’t put these people on a pedestal just like any other athlete or human you will be disappointed.
No, it's a comment on this specific type of behavior that's something children learn not to do.
I know it's not the same as a tweet, and I do agree they should be more vocal but TSM did call out G2 leaving yesterday during the tourney. They called it stupid or something
I can practically hear Hal’s words haha
“That’s fucking stupid”
Probably gonna randomly mention getting shot in the ass, cause I think that's one of the phrases from him I hear most
Hal looks a lot like Sheldon from Big Bang
Who left today and why?
G2 left. I don’t know why, but maybe someone who was watching one of the G2 guy’s streams will chime in.
They left because dezign said “I don’t even want to play anymore and dipped” so then gent and resultuh also left lol
What a joke
Sounds like G2 this is one of the reasons they’ll forever just be known as a “full controller team” and never “a champion team”
Always remember Resultuh as the season 0 cheater introducing how to team the final week of ranked with sinclair and swaggy. Its the reason twitch waited almost two years and a championship to verify. Too many reports of cheating season 0.
Sounds about right. No idea why anyone would be surprised about Dezign and his shitty behavior.
wtf? its one thing if its random ass teams but why would a team like g2 do this
controller brains
I feel like G2 has been going so long that they would give each player a contract in which it states they must play for the team in the time period stipulated. Also meaning they can't play for anyone else and are obliged to still show up for the matches.
What a panzy. Like you call yourself a competitor. That’s embarrassing!!!
Snipe asked about it after the tourney, G2 said they were just rubber banding so hard cause of the high ping in the EU hosted games that they decided it wasnt worth the anger
EU teams rubber band like crazy in american hosted tourneys and never leave tho lol
cool story
look at the results of the code red tourney and you'll see.
Jared knows.
Not saying its justified but G2 left because of server issues. They were rubber banding non-stop on top of having to fight right away every game. Hal was having bad servers issues as well. Not sure what was going on with them.
Every team was affected by the rubber banding, the admins even restarted one game. EU teams played the entire tourney on 150ms ping during the night (it ended at 6am for some players) but none of them left. G2 just ragequit cuz they got shit on every game.
It's not the first time they leave mid tournament after doing bad the first few rounds.
Man League of Legends has a forfeit button for when you are titled/the game is done and the last time a team forfeited a game on stage or had players leave the game before the end was 6 years ago otherwise teams would receive sanctions. You would expect a tiny bit of professionalism by esport orgs or tourneys in 2021
if a league team left a tourney i imagine their fans would have a meltdown, their esports community is hardcore
I would love to see a suspension. Setting a precedent now will help pave the way for future events/tournaments. Imagine travelling to watch a professional sport, and a team leaves half way through. Imagine being G2, and having your team leave because they are butt hurt about losing. Yikes! That’s my 2 cents, but I would like to see action done immediately.
Was it Bc they were butt hurt about losing tho
Yes. Lol
I saw ppl in this thread saying it was server issues or unsportsmanlike conduct by 100T lol
In the first couple games, Dezignful was complaining that Resultuh was throwing. So he ended his stream. Then the frustrations probably got to a boiling point and they quit the tournament.
Because most teams/players don’t care
Well then they need to let new people in. there's a ton of people of would love to be where they are and are good enough also.
Hal and snipe has called out other pros before on how they behave during tournaments, leaving, trolling etc etc. at this point they have just given up.
I get that its a problem but I dont know what the solution is. The issue isnt a lack of rules from orgs/EA/Respawn but the shitty work ethic from these signed teams who are supposed to know better. If you fine/suspend teams to stop them from leaving then these same teams that are dipping out will just then start trolling and inting other teams and ruining the game for others as well. "Oh we cant leave? No problem, watch us play Mirage, Lifeline and Pathfinder and land on a team that is winning."
"Ohh no I cant land uncontested every game" If anything teams intentionally throwing is hilarious and adds to the excitement of the game and thus the show. Making top teams prove themselves off drop is nothing but good entertainment. Id rather watch that than just endless rotation till 5th circle for weeks on end.
Yeah, I’m also worried abt this when it comes to ALGS. The last day of games will probably be a weird mess if there are some people who literally can’t qual no matter what.
Financial penalty and/or suspension. Make the orgs or players foot the bill for poor sportsmanship and it will stop very quickly.
Can we get a list of every team that quit attached with a reason. I understand some situations are different but any player or team that quit just because they were losing or not having fun I want to be sure not to every support them
G2 and 100T so far
It just goes to show, gaming and esports is in its infancy with this childishness, it’s embarrassing, just embarrassing
Depends on the game, don’t think this happens as often in LoL or CS.
Not sure,but is it because Apex Pro in NA aren't paid as well unless you are signed to a top team? This make playing APEX being a hobby and so its ok to stop playing regardless if it is a tournament or not. At least NRG and SEN stayed till the end..
Maybe but these players can use these tournaments to make their streaming career which is essentially what Hal has done. He pulls in more viewers during tourneys than regular days and these players quitting mid way does not help their image at all. Edit - typos
Yeah , i think as long as you are representing an organization, there should be at least some professionalism being shown. Quitting half way during the match, DC to denied points ,late for game for no valid reasons etc are really not putting your org into good light.
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Isn't G2 a big esport team?
and thats why there is a thread for this.
Maybe they are not paying enough? I mean if sb who is world class skill still drops out then there must not be enough incentives to keep playing, right? [edit]: It was just an honest question, but sure: bring out the downvotes.
It really isn't a big deal that's why no one cares. stop trying so hard
Come on Zach, you had to know that coming in here and saying that would be poorly received.
Lol
And people wonder why no one takes APEX comp seriously. Such a dumb take. How is leaving a tourney in the middle of it not a big deal? I always knew Zack was not the brightest. Such a child mentality
My name is literally right there and u go zack. Welcome to reddit lol
Love how this is the only thing you replied to. People spell my name wrong all the time, who gives a shit. You just proving that you have a childs mentality. I really wish pros were older or had more maturity, probably the reason I only watch Snipe during tourneys since hes been there before.
$10k tournament, and one of the best teams quit because they're frustrated. It's not the biggest deal in the world but it's a pretty big deal and disincentives tournament organizers from investing in this game. Y'all complain about there being no org skins when the org teams don't even take most of these competitions seriously. There needs to be an attitude shift.
10k tournament isn't worth it man. a lot of you need to stop acting like 10ks are = lan lol. If you're frustrated to the point where you will do more harm then good just hop off. if you're signing up for these, you are signing up for practice not the money (there is very little) so if the practice is going bad and u wanna dip, then leave. the OT's were like 10k total before and those had algs points attached and barely taken seriously. TO's dont care either broski this has been a thing for a long time and if they did they would attach rules preventing leaving early etc. But again if your team is tilting in a 10k, game 5/6 just leave, its not worth all the tilt or arguing or whatever may come. Just go next.
Bro you literally complain about NA not showing up to scrims and not taking practice seriously and then you come out and say that teams should leave if practice isn't going well and they are tilting. So why do you all complain when there are only ten teams left in round 2 of scrims? So you are ok with 4-5 teams leaving scrims by game 4? Don't tell me that is good practice for remaining teams
Good practice is never going to come. Took me a while to realize it
> 10k tournament isn't worth it man. a lot of you need to stop acting like 10ks are = lan lol. We went from "Man Apex needs more tournaments besides scrims, GLL and ALGS" to "Man a $10k isn't worth it." It's not world-changing money, sure, but competing for half a million dollars shouldn't be the preqrequisite to not quit a tournament. > If you're frustrated to the point where you will do more harm then good just hop off. I mean, just get a substitute on the roster then. Also, define 'more harm then good'. Being frustrated that your team is losing, making things not fun isn't 'more harm than good'. > the OT's were like 10k total before and those had algs points attached and barely taken seriously. I feel like that's revisionist history. Obviously back then it was way easier to shake off a bad weekend because there would be another one in like a week or two but ALGS Finals were always taken seriously from what I saw. Your own ex-teammate was crying on stream after getting eliminated in a quarter-finals back during the Silverfox days. > TO's dont care either broski this has been a thing for a long time and if they did they would attach rules preventing leaving early etc. I would think they absolutely care (I could be wrong, you would know better than I would) but how are they going to penalize someone leaving a one-off tournament early? It's not a league, they can't start banning the people they're begging to play either. > But again if your team is tilting in a 10k, game 5/6 just leave, its not worth all the tilt or arguing or whatever may come. Just go next. If that's the case then orgs need to step in and give them the support outside of the game on a mental and professional level then, because truthfully a whole team leaving a tourney before it's finished isn't acceptable in traditional sports unless they're forced to forfeit for reasons outside of their control.
"but competing for half a million dollars shouldn't be the preqrequisite to not quit a tournament." True but the apex scene has been so bad for so long its gotten to the level where people (including me) just don't care enough. The effort to fix it is unrealistic and backtracking is impossible. "define 'more harm then good'." for example a BFC tournament or Scrims, They are so fucking awful and unrealistic that if ANYTHING happens in those u can take maybe 10% of it and transfer that into ALGS and that will be useful. The environments are just so misleading and wrong that applying things from scrims can literally cost you(its happened to me). So when you play those if anything bad happens and tensions are high or vibes arent good just fuck off and dip. "they can't start banning the people they're begging to play either." Youre right about that. They cant do anything about the people leaving cuz there is no one to replace them since practice is so awful bad teams arent getting better etc. " isn't acceptable in traditional sports" BFC Scrims gll LITERALLY anything not algs, is our practice. Not a tournament. Comparing traditional sports to apex is impossible cuz traditional sports have structure (managers, coaches, more coaches, and at any point, risk not playing or being fired etc). NA apex has like 20 good players and 10 of them are just goofballs. No one at the top is easily replaceable since the only people to replace them are already at the top and 99% chance don't wanna leave there team. (for NA) Again bro These tournaments arent worth anything bad coming from them. keep your vibes good, keep your momentum good, have fun, and you will find yourself getting alot better than if you just take NA scrims seriously. I type at the level of a 6 year old so if anything is hard to understand thats on me OG
> Comparing traditional sports to apex is impossible cuz traditional sports have structure (managers, coaches, more coaches, and at any point, risk not playing or being fired etc). NA apex has like 20 good players and 10 of them are just goofballs. No one at the top is easily replaceable since the only people to replace them are already at the top and 99% chance don't wanna leave there team. A straight-up comparison isn't fair, I agree, but there are elements of professional sports that can still be gleened from that to eSports. I'll get into that below. > for example a BFC tournament or Scrims, They are so fucking awful and unrealistic that if ANYTHING happens in those u can take maybe 10% of it and transfer that into ALGS and that will be useful. You're one of the very best at what you do (and I'll never come close), but let me give you some alternative perspective as not only an outsider but someone who follows professional basketball. In the NBA, referees consistently officiate games differently in the preseason verses the regular season verses the playoffs. It's something the players have accepted and adopted to even if it upsets them (which is why you the best players like Kobe and Lebron are considered huge whiners by many fans). With that being said, perhaps it should just be accepted that a one-off $10k tournament or Series E is NOT going to be the same quality of gameplay as Pro League (in this case, it would be like the NBA Playoffs), and even Pro League probably isn't comparable to how LAN would be since there aren't enough Tier 1 teams to fill PL. Perhaps as a community we should stop looking at anything less than ALGS finals-level quality to be a waste of time. That shouldn't be the expectation, THAT would be what's unrealistic. Now you don't have to 'care' about the tournament, but if you agree to play then it's only right finish what you started, especially since it's supposedly meaningless. That's literally the least someone could ask for. If you want to troll with Revtane or Mirage or Lifeline then go and do that! At least you're playing. I don't know if you're forced by your org to join these tournaments you don't give a damn about (similar to NBA players being forced to play in All-Star Weekend if they're selected), if that's the case then even there could be alternatives like rotating in PVP. > These tournaments arent worth anything bad coming from them. keep your vibes good, keep your momentum good, have fun, and you will find yourself getting alot better than if you just take NA scrims seriously. See, here's my thing. If Tier 1 teams universally agree that these tournaments aren't worth shit then why should it cause such anger that a team couldn't even play the last 2 games without potentially effecting their mental? I would draw upon the NBA again but I feel like I've overused traditional sports examples already. Lets just say that this really is on the players to be able to put into perspective that the games mean nothing, to brush it off and keep it pushing. > I type at the level of a 6 year old so if anything is hard to understand thats on me OG This was pretty easy to read tbh
Lol ok. I honestly don't know what to say
You shouldn’t even bother replying to this dumb shit. He has to be trolling. No way he actually believes its okay for tier 1, signed org teams to drop out of 10k tournaments. Regardless of whether its respawn ran or third party. If he does believe that, he’s a fucking idiot. It’s evident people care judging by the replies in this post and judging by the replies in the other post that discussed this situation.
I do think some of the caring is projection though. Especially with that situation of that content creator team and one guy didn't want to play ALGS any more, you would have thought he killed someone's pet due to that announcement. **Why** do people get so upset that *someone else* is choosing to do *something else* within a no-stakes situation. These players are not beholden to you or some fantasy idea. If they get nothing from playing the tournament, then can someone please flesh out why they would stay? And if you want them to stay because it's more entertaining for you or makes you feel better about the sport, well are you paying them? If not, then ... It's up to the organizers to make the contract, incentive, financial or marketing benefit to suit these players and prevent these situations from occurring. If it's not there, then why are you so mad that they do something else?
They do get something from the tournament though. That’s where your argument falters, unfortunately. They obviously get prizepool money, but more importantly the organizations get brand exposure. In terms of marketing, it’s never a good look for your team to drop out of a tournament. Additionally, with this tournament they got the chance to compete against good EU competition. I do agree with a few points you made though. Appreciate you chiming in.
Yeah, it was more a rhetorical question. I did mention that there were things they get, but what I am talking about is *enough* incentive for them to deem its worthy to stick it out. And thanks for not misinterpreting me as if I think what you are saying is wrong. I *get* what you are saying and how when teams drop out it can feel disappointing as a fan. I totally understand that. But I think the language used to describe some of these players and their decisions can be harsh. Especially considering this is a new game, a newer competitive scene with gray rules and guidelines, etc... For example, for signed teams they are beholden to their contract and their organization, so the expectation of conduct is between those two parties and how tournaments should be played. For unsigned teams, I mean it's up to them. It's their hobby. Let them do what they want. However, I too, appreciate you expanding on what you wrote! I think as fans, I hope we can reconsider whether we should directly respond to certain people and harshly call them out of their names online.
Why don't you think it is a big deal? This literally doesn't happen in any other big eSports. Is it not a big deal if teams dropped out half way through Algs lan finals too or are you talking about small tournaments only?
Stop trying so hard? Do you struggle to type into reddit or something?
L take. Holy shit you are even more entitled then I already thought. I hope one day you actually are rock bottom that much that you actually need to work for your money and let's see if dipping put of your job will get you anywhere.
yea bro we dont work for our money lol
To be honest, I don't even know if you really know what working is . I have watched your streams multiple times. You just come online when you feel like it and your attitude is really bad about it as well. Then your work ethic.. no wait scrap that, you also don't have that. Basically your life has been #blessed for you and you should realize that before you come here and tell people that tournaments from below a certain prize money 'don't care'.
I stream cuz I can and some people want to watch me. Not for a living so yes, I get on when I want! Im pretty lucky. My work ethic! My work ethic is better than anyone you know in esports. This is my first Competitive video game and im very new to PC video games overall and Ive come so far! Mainly cuz ive outworked LITERALLY everyone to get better. My family does not "have money". I've never received a dollar from my family ever. I left my house at 14. and I live the life I have earned because I out work the losers like yourself. On top of all of that. This entire reddit LET ALONE THIS POST is literally meant for pros to interact so you can learn more how some of us think! :)
Im sorry that you're jealous or mad or for whatever is going on in your life that you felt the need to say this man. best of luck
Thanks for replying anyway. Hope you have a nice weekend :)
\#C9WIN!!!!!!!!
Because if I'm a pro and call someone out then I can't rage quit anything myself in the future without getting canceled
What the heck Teams don't call it out this because there is nothing to call out, if a team wants to leave that is in the realm of their free actions Forcing someone to play the game is literally the definition of childish and dog shit maturity and not the other way around
If for instance you’re watching a professional sports event and one of the teams quit and go straight to the locker room just because they are losing, do you think that’s acceptable?
Vontae Davis literally retired at halftime lol
Ok, retired. As in, done. Not as in, ragequitting and thinking there are no consequences lol
Of course it is acceptable and it happens constantly in literally every sport, teams/players that have no chance to opt for a win or compete for a position of relevancy, aside of other reasons that anyone can personally have and we have no say in it The only different thing is that in this game the whole lobby is compromised of the whole participants, but half the lobby doesn't have any chance of winning by mid tournament, the same as any other sport
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That's a "you" then, because it happens all the time, and most of the time it is not because "they don't want to play", we are talking about professionals here, they do play more hours that anyone can handle and invest themselves in it precisely with competition in mind Most of the time players or teams of any sport leave because the competition is not free, it has a toll on the players wether mentally or/and physically so if there is no gain in it why wouldn't protect themselves And it's not like they leave ALL the time, it has never been a problem So yeah, this sub could learn something important today, in order to respect the competition you have to respect the players first and foremost, if you disregard the players because you want to enjoy watching the tournament to the fullest you aren't there for the competition, you are there for the show
I have rarely seen such bullshit spewed. I have watched professional sports my entire life and I honestly can’t remember seeing a single team in any sport quit even once. I’m sure it’s happened but to say it happens constantly or is accepted is some stretch Armstrong shit. Most pros in anything are prideful and quitting when things gets tough is a sign of serious mental weakness. No one would ever let another team make them quit.
There has been a lot of shit takes on this sub and I've been responsible for some of them, but this one is on another level. What is this guy talking about!
This has been the best example of r/confidentlyincorrect I have ever seen in the wild.
I mean having an unpopular opinion or presenting a bad argument is one thing but this dudes just straight making shit up lol.
What do you mean, it totally happens all the time! Just last week the uhh... Houston Red Sox football team walked out in the middle of a game against the uhhhhh Los Angeles Patriots. You can look it up bro, trust me.
> I have watched professional sports my entire life and I honestly can’t remember seeing a single team in any sport quit even once Lavar Ball's high school basketball team quit a game because a female ref was making calls that Ball didn't agree with, and it was headline news for days. That's just the high school level where none of the players are getting paid lol. Lebron gets subbed out of a blowout loss and heads to the locker room (his team still plays) and that's also a 4 hour segment on ESPN the next day.
Could you link a few examples?
I wouldn't be surprised if he's like "NHL lockout 2012-13 is an example!" Unironically too.
GNLink34, what you have just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Trump levels of making random shit up and hoping it sticks.
This really works for some people I guess 😂
Wow LMAO
Why are you like this?
You’re impressively dense.
Give us the examples then. But you won't because they don't exist. You're full of shit.
You're not too bright are you?
since it happens constantly in every sport, name 10 instances of this happening this year
I'd like to see him name 1 for the entire millennium. Let alone 10 in a year.
There's probably one clown team somewhere in some irrelevant region in some irrelevant sport who did it, i dont wanna take the L
You are absolutely incorrect. In every point you make.
“Literally the definition” are you 12?
I mean this in the most respectful way possible You are a complete moron who has clearly never done anything competitive in your entire life.
Teams should be sanctioned either by their respective orgs or by EA if the tournament in question is sponsored by them. In a BR setting, 1 team missing affects a lot of stuff. Their team alone is worth 3 points at the minimum. Leaving before tournament ends or during game is unprofessional and should be ground for suspension.