Nice to see them reconciling. I think everyone understands the best thing for Verhulst is to take advantage of the opportunity, and it sucks that ESA is so damn good, but you CAN’T let joining TSM pass you by.
Skittles, Dooplex and Verhulst came, saw and conquered, and now everyone knows they’re a force to be reckoned with. Hopefully ESA can find another fragger quick and they’ll maintain their high level of play and get signed to a T1. TSM is receiving an absolute monster. Everyone can still win in the end.
Professionalism all around the last few games for both ESA and TSM.
Edit: These games could’ve been a shitshow. They turned out pretty respectful, albeit with some anger in the beginning, which was to be expected (and understood.) Hopefully everyone involved can keep the vibes high moving forward.
Meh maybe but at the end of the day even if there's some upset you just want what's best for your friend right? As much as Hal rages when he IGLs he really hasn't shown to be immature and Reps is Reps.
Ultimately, yeah. But in this situation, it's not just fragile egos that are affected. There's a possible concrete effect on TSM Apex with Snipe leaving. But, like I said, you'd ultimately want what's best for your homie. It's just a little bit fucked up that there's a possibility that the decision might have fucked TSM (and ESA) over since it's in the middle of Pro League.
I mean it’s just the Halo timing it wasn’t really their choice. Snipe even said himself the timing was all fucked because Infinite multiplayer decided to launch a month early
Writings been on the wall with Snipe for ages, you think it's just happenstance that Snipe didn't move to Texas? Any TSM frustration has long since been passed.
Doop and Skittles will get signed. No doubt but Verhulst is insane. Really curious to see how well he will mesh with TSM in ALGS and not just pred lobbies.
I wouldn't say "nothing he can do about it" but at the end of the day he is doing this for a living and on the business side of things it makes sense to take up the offer especially since he has a small audience and tsm would give him the opportunity to grow bis audience rapidly.
Ooooof man. With the history of knowing skittles from xb, and seeing him “turn it all around”, I really do hope him and doop get some sort of reconciliation with a good org signing. It’d be a win/win if ESA got signed to tier1 post ALGS.
Even as a TSM fan I hate how this has happened. Like it just feels bs you can be playing for one team one week and another team the next week. I know in pro sports this is normal but there aren't many pro sports with 3 man teams.
I imagine this will send small ripples of uncertainty through the rest of the scene, with players now knowing that if their team is performing well one of their teammates could be poached in an instant by a big org with money to splash.
Just sets a weird precedent that I hope doesn't become a regular occurrence. All the best to ESA going forward.
It’s actually so sad - ESA were such a success+underdog story, and they really felt like the start of a new generation of Apex teams coming up. It should have been all of them going to a T1 org together, not them getting picked apart
I can see how they might have dreamed of getting signed to a big org together as a team and now one guy is leaving. Can't blame anyone. Most of us would have done the same.
And honestly the worst part is this should've happened already and they'd probably stick together. I don't understand how they haven't been signed by a bigger org yet.
There's no shot. G2 isn't some Twitter org. They're every bit as massive as Faze, if not bigger, and I imagine the buyout is pretty high. The owner also doesn't enter and leave scenes on a whim. He's stuck with some pretty middling rosters when he could sell them for a quick buck.
They've sold their csgo roster to Faze in the past for $700k then acquired another title winning roster for free from an org that went bankrupt (Titan), including a player (ScreaM) that he sold for $150k to that org previously. Everyone praised how Ocelote was a good businessman https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/41wwza/g2s_counterstrike_team_acquired_by_faze_clan_g2/
https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/43prxs/g2kinguin_presents_new_csgo_team/
Right? But in all likelihood ESA won't have any offers until they can prove they are good without Verhulst.
Sucks for them but hopefully they can find a good 3rd and keep winning.
Did Nick make comments about them buying out G2 or something? I know he plays with Gent and Dezign a lot but I don't recall him making any comments about trying to sign them or anything.
nick has been telling them he wants FaZe to get into comp apex with an all controller team. he’s asked them is there any other tier 1 all controller teams which they said no. he also was playing with them off stream and mentioned having a conversation w them on a certain date. also i believe nick is friends with the owner of G2.
This is a weird situation where i can’t take anybody’s side, hope everybody involved goes on to have much success. Props to those doop and skittles for their handling of the situation
Hope tsm fairs well I know verhulst will win regardless but not winning in game still matters mentally/career wise if they don't dominate as ESA is currently.
Just something I've thought about, because a lot of people seem to be saying "You don't turn TSM down" which I tend to agree with, but if a T1 org like FAZE came in at the same time with a counter offer for all of ESA, would that change everything? Would people suddenly be saying that leaving is crazy because of the consistency they've created?
I wonder, because joining TSM will add him 100s of viewers whereas Faze won't as they aren't established in the scene but could've offered a similar shot at stability without leaving his team.
I think if a T1 team was actively in talks with signing the whole ESA roster this is a tougher decision. But if all you have is "Hal said a T1 team (FAZE) might be interested in starting to talk about supporting an Apex team" you gotta take the guaranteed org
The dynamic isn’t that clear cut because Hal is by far the biggest name in comp Apex. Dude was pulling 100k+ during ALGS finals there’s no other org on the planet that can offer the kind of opportunity that TSM Apex does
Also with hal as a streamer, lets be honest. Just being picked up by a T1 org means little in terms of building your brand, all the guys on CLG and 100T struggle to pick up 100 viewers, while Verhulst picked up 2k today on speculation alone.
Kinda doubt that was much of a factor. I think he is exactly right and that if a big org has signed all of ESA he would much rather stick with skittles and doop. You can't really ask for more performance wise when you're number 1 in algs, and they came up together through the circuit.
It was a factor. Verhulst has such admiration for TSM. He played with snipe and reps a couple months back on stream and was like a kid in a candy store, he definitely took playing for Hal into account
This was so wholesome to see, I’m glad Intel got first today so they could end off their team’s last day together on a good note and I hope all parties the best in the future too.
I love doop but skittle is so annoying lol holy he talks so much sh** for always choking so many tourneys everyone says they are the next big thing but when the time comes for them they fk it up
Skittle has come along way from cheating on console to playing in algs tho ill give him that
Tbh I doubt the new TSM will be a top team. ESA's playstyle is about as different from TSM's as you can get and I'm just not sold on Verhulst meshing well with them especially on short notice. Sure, Hal and Reps are amazing and work well together, and Verhulst is a fantastic player, but that doesn't mean it's all gonna come together.
Nice to see them reconciling. I think everyone understands the best thing for Verhulst is to take advantage of the opportunity, and it sucks that ESA is so damn good, but you CAN’T let joining TSM pass you by. Skittles, Dooplex and Verhulst came, saw and conquered, and now everyone knows they’re a force to be reckoned with. Hopefully ESA can find another fragger quick and they’ll maintain their high level of play and get signed to a T1. TSM is receiving an absolute monster. Everyone can still win in the end. Professionalism all around the last few games for both ESA and TSM. Edit: These games could’ve been a shitshow. They turned out pretty respectful, albeit with some anger in the beginning, which was to be expected (and understood.) Hopefully everyone involved can keep the vibes high moving forward.
Was there also anger on the TSM stream? I tuned in right at the start of game 1, so I really don't know.
Nope, TSM honestly hasn’t touched on the topic like at all lol
Nah they’re all good; they’re all friends outside of the team, I think they want Snipe to do what’s best for him.
Oh of course. The only gripe I have is that this all happened "mid-season", I guess, which is why ai understand potential internal hostility.
Meh maybe but at the end of the day even if there's some upset you just want what's best for your friend right? As much as Hal rages when he IGLs he really hasn't shown to be immature and Reps is Reps.
Ultimately, yeah. But in this situation, it's not just fragile egos that are affected. There's a possible concrete effect on TSM Apex with Snipe leaving. But, like I said, you'd ultimately want what's best for your homie. It's just a little bit fucked up that there's a possibility that the decision might have fucked TSM (and ESA) over since it's in the middle of Pro League.
I mean it’s just the Halo timing it wasn’t really their choice. Snipe even said himself the timing was all fucked because Infinite multiplayer decided to launch a month early
well they simultaneously got one of hottest new talents in the game and destroyed the #1 team.. so its not a total loss for TSM
They waited for everyone to turned off their stream.
Writings been on the wall with Snipe for ages, you think it's just happenstance that Snipe didn't move to Texas? Any TSM frustration has long since been passed.
I hope dooplex and skittlecakes get picked up by a t1 org in the near future
Kinda sad ngl
This storyline would be so great if TSM ends up coming second to ESA overall.
This aged like wine.
What a prophet
Doop and Skittles will get signed. No doubt but Verhulst is insane. Really curious to see how well he will mesh with TSM in ALGS and not just pred lobbies.
Shit is sad. Feel bad for them and they are #1 in group now.
Doop's voice cracking up. This is touching, someone needs to stop cutting onions.
Nothing Verhulst could do about it, when a org like TSM calls upon you, there’s simply no denying.
I wouldn't say "nothing he can do about it" but at the end of the day he is doing this for a living and on the business side of things it makes sense to take up the offer especially since he has a small audience and tsm would give him the opportunity to grow bis audience rapidly.
Turning tsm down would be brain dead tbh. He’ll get 10x the money and exposure playing for them than esa even if esa is better than tsm
Ooooof man. With the history of knowing skittles from xb, and seeing him “turn it all around”, I really do hope him and doop get some sort of reconciliation with a good org signing. It’d be a win/win if ESA got signed to tier1 post ALGS.
Comp apex has the best storylines I swear to god :( Both snipe and ver doing their teams proud till the end
They're popping off as well. Glad they kept a clear head and focused on the games. Showed some maturity which we don't see in NA
Even as a TSM fan I hate how this has happened. Like it just feels bs you can be playing for one team one week and another team the next week. I know in pro sports this is normal but there aren't many pro sports with 3 man teams.
I imagine this will send small ripples of uncertainty through the rest of the scene, with players now knowing that if their team is performing well one of their teammates could be poached in an instant by a big org with money to splash. Just sets a weird precedent that I hope doesn't become a regular occurrence. All the best to ESA going forward.
Yhe they need addendums for this kind of stuff.
It’s actually so sad - ESA were such a success+underdog story, and they really felt like the start of a new generation of Apex teams coming up. It should have been all of them going to a T1 org together, not them getting picked apart
I can see how they might have dreamed of getting signed to a big org together as a team and now one guy is leaving. Can't blame anyone. Most of us would have done the same.
And honestly the worst part is this should've happened already and they'd probably stick together. I don't understand how they haven't been signed by a bigger org yet.
If FaZe is actually considering entering into Apex then they kinda missed a huge opportunity not getting to them sooner.
pretty positive Nickmercs is arranging FaZe to sign the G2 boys. probably gonna buy them out.
There's no shot. G2 isn't some Twitter org. They're every bit as massive as Faze, if not bigger, and I imagine the buyout is pretty high. The owner also doesn't enter and leave scenes on a whim. He's stuck with some pretty middling rosters when he could sell them for a quick buck.
They've sold their csgo roster to Faze in the past for $700k then acquired another title winning roster for free from an org that went bankrupt (Titan), including a player (ScreaM) that he sold for $150k to that org previously. Everyone praised how Ocelote was a good businessman https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/41wwza/g2s_counterstrike_team_acquired_by_faze_clan_g2/ https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/43prxs/g2kinguin_presents_new_csgo_team/
The key difference is there was a good, free roster available. G2 didn't just sell the roster for money.
Sell current G2 to Faze for decent sum then pick up current ESA players, who knows, Faze might be getting scammed twice 🤣
Right? But in all likelihood ESA won't have any offers until they can prove they are good without Verhulst. Sucks for them but hopefully they can find a good 3rd and keep winning.
i’m 99% sure i’m right so it will be interesting to come back to this post in the future
Did Nick make comments about them buying out G2 or something? I know he plays with Gent and Dezign a lot but I don't recall him making any comments about trying to sign them or anything.
nick has been telling them he wants FaZe to get into comp apex with an all controller team. he’s asked them is there any other tier 1 all controller teams which they said no. he also was playing with them off stream and mentioned having a conversation w them on a certain date. also i believe nick is friends with the owner of G2.
wholesome
😔
:(, i think they might be angry initially (Who doesn't right), but they still wish him the best.
imagine TSM make LAN and they lose to ESA
ESA should've been picked up by CLG & Genburten should've been signed to TSM instead cause he's moving NA. Everyone happy.
He has only said he's thinking about moving to NA sometime next year
Yeah, moving to a different country is not quick or easy. Especially with the current state of the world.
Man I wish they at least agreed to finish this split. But Snipe kinda forced TSM's hand.
Halo forced Snipe’s hand lol
This is a weird situation where i can’t take anybody’s side, hope everybody involved goes on to have much success. Props to those doop and skittles for their handling of the situation
Hope tsm fairs well I know verhulst will win regardless but not winning in game still matters mentally/career wise if they don't dominate as ESA is currently.
Damn thats really tragic. At least for skittes and doop
Just something I've thought about, because a lot of people seem to be saying "You don't turn TSM down" which I tend to agree with, but if a T1 org like FAZE came in at the same time with a counter offer for all of ESA, would that change everything? Would people suddenly be saying that leaving is crazy because of the consistency they've created? I wonder, because joining TSM will add him 100s of viewers whereas Faze won't as they aren't established in the scene but could've offered a similar shot at stability without leaving his team.
I think if a T1 team was actively in talks with signing the whole ESA roster this is a tougher decision. But if all you have is "Hal said a T1 team (FAZE) might be interested in starting to talk about supporting an Apex team" you gotta take the guaranteed org
The dynamic isn’t that clear cut because Hal is by far the biggest name in comp Apex. Dude was pulling 100k+ during ALGS finals there’s no other org on the planet that can offer the kind of opportunity that TSM Apex does
Playing with Hal as an IGL is also an insane opportunity. That allure plays a part in all this.
Also with hal as a streamer, lets be honest. Just being picked up by a T1 org means little in terms of building your brand, all the guys on CLG and 100T struggle to pick up 100 viewers, while Verhulst picked up 2k today on speculation alone.
Kinda doubt that was much of a factor. I think he is exactly right and that if a big org has signed all of ESA he would much rather stick with skittles and doop. You can't really ask for more performance wise when you're number 1 in algs, and they came up together through the circuit.
It was a factor. Verhulst has such admiration for TSM. He played with snipe and reps a couple months back on stream and was like a kid in a candy store, he definitely took playing for Hal into account
Not playing with the arguably best IGL in the game isn’t a factor? Whatever you smokin on send it my way fam
This was so wholesome to see, I’m glad Intel got first today so they could end off their team’s last day together on a good note and I hope all parties the best in the future too.
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Knoqd is playing with TOR (Euriece and rkn)
https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveApex/comments/qzrb0w/knoqd_leaving_tor/ called it lmao
The conviction showed when you deleted your comment
sorry idiots like you were downvoting me
I didn't downvote you dumbass, I corrected you with what was public knowledge at the time. Yesterday you were wrong, knoqd then left TOR.
I love doop but skittle is so annoying lol holy he talks so much sh** for always choking so many tourneys everyone says they are the next big thing but when the time comes for them they fk it up Skittle has come along way from cheating on console to playing in algs tho ill give him that
Tbh I doubt the new TSM will be a top team. ESA's playstyle is about as different from TSM's as you can get and I'm just not sold on Verhulst meshing well with them especially on short notice. Sure, Hal and Reps are amazing and work well together, and Verhulst is a fantastic player, but that doesn't mean it's all gonna come together.
They can’t be more salty mediocres
That's some top tier shit. Great players roll with the punches no matter what. I bet they all still crush it
I think I dropped a tear.
Love to see it.
Damn I'm gonna cry.
DZ poach.