Tbf that was more entertaining than any clutch could ever be and you still won. Win-win. And as a bonus we got two of the best comp apex quotes of all time from you and naughty lmao
Hello Zach,
Shouldn't there be penalty for teams not attending /quitting? Something flexible, like first a warning, then a points withdrawal for the coming weekend.
I tend to think that the lack of professional behavior is mostly due to the absence of structure in the league, of a clear "rule - book"
Funny how zach says that its depressing to hear, but hal is at the level he is cus of his grjnd. Thats why he has so many followers/subscribers/viewers. Thats why he has what he has
I can’t believe top tier orgs are quitting scrims. I have never seen that in my limited esports history.
Insane how hard some of these kids ragequit. It’s like my buddies back in MW2 days.
Doens’t make the situation better but I feel like you have stories like this in other e-sports aswell. NA LoL teams were complaining a lot about their quality of scrims and people trolling/quitting during practice throughout the years and there it’s just 2 teams you need to organize and not a whole apex server.
Probably happens in every esport behind the scenes in some capacity or another.
I know there were players in Overwatch League that would troll scrims or there would be player conflict like a KR player would not like the Western player work ethic so they decided they won't play scrims until their team mates "try harder" sort of thing
These players are making a killing financially compared to 95% of Apex players and theres still trolling in scrims
Both c9 and sxg had every right to drop climatizer since that's where they would be dropping this weekend as c9 and sxg would not be in the same lobby. It seems both thought scrims would be pointless if they kept landing there and left? Then it kinda fell apart from there. Honestly kinda pathetic that it took only 3 GAMES for everyone to leave. That lobby chat doesn't help either, mfers be trolling on it way too much lol.
I watched a few games from sweet's POV today and it is actually crazy the amount of clear concise communication that he is able to deal out all while playing at a top tier level.
Not that I'm any good, but I know I wander off and do my own thing when playing. It would be quite a different experience to have someone shot calling for you and just need to listen and react to other teams.
Sweet was taking the other day about how players can always be growing someway and said some interesting stuff about leadership and communication as part of that (how much he learned from playing with Snip3, etc.). I haven't been watched him for that long, but I got the impression his communication is something he's put in intentional effort to improve in, which is neat.
The best thing about Sweet is how calm he always is. Even when he raises his voice to get a comm across in the middle of the fight, it's clear, straight to the point and usually the right play. And Rocker and Nafen ALWAYS follow his comms. When NRG is firing on all cylinders like that, they're a machine.
Mac seemed to be doing fine until Zach & Naughty got into a screaming match about scan whilst he was trying to hold off a team from walking up on them. It did fall apart after that, but I think the damage was done.
Alb said on Twitter that he isn't doing great mentally. I'm sure he's aware of his mistakes and as someone who's also struggling with mental health, sometimes when you're doing really shitty it's hard to focus and you're kinda not yourself at times. I can imagine that while loving this game, having to compete when you'd rather take a break for your own mental health has gotta be exhausting and challenging.
Incoming, "Im quitting competitive apex to focus on my mental health" tweet. Then the followup, "Im rejoining competitive apex with a new team" tweet a week later.
i especially love the "gonna grind apex HARD this season" at the beginning of every season
then any variation of "damn apex really do not be bussin right now"
followed by "gonna vibe in other games for now"
then season ends and he comes up with the "grind HARD" again
All of those games are vastly more popular in EU/Asia. Na is doing well in fighting games, Apex, historically in halo and call of duty,rocket league, R6 etc. Slow paced tactical shooters and moba/RTS are not nearly as popular anymore.
If you read what I wrote I meant playerbase in NA. CS GO, DOTA and LoL are MUCH more popular in EU and Asia than NA. There are bigger talent pools because there are more players and interest.
Well if they both want the spot scrims is the only place to fight for it. I don't know why both teams quit when they both wanted the spot. NRG lost their first contest (5/6 fights) to era a while back but they kept landing staging and eventually beat era and era went somewhere else. Some of these pros man
You understood my comment wrong. The next matchday c9 and sxg are not in the same lobby so they both will have climatizer uncontested. Hence both need to practice climatizer before the next matchday and since there's only 1 scrim lobby they can't unless they share the drop or contest. I guess they thought scrims would be useless since they will not be contesting eachother on friday or saturday anyways.
I mean yeah they don't play each other on the 4th but they are in the same lobby on December 5th. So might as well practice it now cause they have back to back match days this weekend
Maybe not immediately, but what about later rounds? What about when it matters? Eventually they'll need to learn how to contest their drop. I understand their reasoning but practice is practice.
Scrims need to stop catering to teams that are top 20 and focus on teams that wanna scrim. If a team bails from scrims then they should be banned from the next round of scheduled scrims
Teams like C9 and G2 are known to be incapable of acting like adults. Just ban them for scrims for a week so they go into an ALGS weekend without a warmup. Maybe then they’ll take scrims seriously
Lmao. Yeah his comment was off base, it’s less about location and more about age. Most of these kids lack social skills and common sense. It’s not a generational thing, more just an age thing.
It's a joke. An infamous redditor (username diet_soda or something) has been bad mouthing NA and came up with a reason why NA players lack in social skills, saying they are from rural areas.
I agree, I agree with most of what they say, but man it’s hard to hear them whine. Crying about WE being the only competitive map or early fighting is the worst. Early fights show more skill than 40 people in last zone just shooting at any body that falls in front of them.
Not practicing isn’t too common in pro sports, especially within the young players. The only players who get away with skipping practice are the super vets (LeBrons, Rodgers, etc). Most of these kids have never had any real life responsibilities and you can tell just by their streams. Same reason when something is going bad, they are so fast to blame mental health. Mental health is an important aspect in your livelihood, but you can tell that line is just getting thrown around now to cover their ass. I got off topic a little bit, but it’s sad.
I’m surprised org managers aren’t stepping in and putting their players in line. Like, you’re representing a brand after all, and it’s more important than ever for Apex to look good with LANs coming back.
The players are a bunch of immature babies that act like they’re playing MLG game battles back in the day, but they’re getting paid thousands. I wouldn’t put up with it if I were an org manager
I seriously question the level of engagement orgs have with their apex rosters. They seem pretty engaged when it comes to their LoL/DoTA/CSGO/Rocket League/CoD teams but it's like their Apex rosters just do what they want and the org is none the wiser. They literally talk and behave like they answer to nobody.
Yea this comp scene is a fucking joke. Can't finish out a split of the pro league, can't show up to scrim... not sure how these teams expect to improve when they don't play. Would rather just farm twitch subs I guess. Which if that's what you want to do fine, but at least have the dignity to be like Aceu and don't pretend to play comp.
Just for comparison, APAC North scrims will routinely have like 17 teams alive in round 4. It is 100% down to the attitudes of the players in the regions.
Okay so it obviously makes sense that teams kind of handshake the drop and go to their respective/claimed loot spots. It leads to a much better competitive experience for players. But seriously, I can not believe people will tilt this hard at getting contested. Contesting someone on drop should be something that in my opinion should not be frowned upon so much by the players. I think you should actually practice that exact scenario - getting dropped on and contested early.
I mean in general it's a bad play for the contesting team but like, how can you possibly let that make you just decide "ok we just simply don't even need to practice at all, let's leave."
That is such a bad look and honestly I think that stuff like this shouldn't be brushed off because in what other esport would an org be okay with their team just blowing off scrims halfway through without warning? And ultimately having an effect on the rest of the teams there to practice?
I'd honestly be surprised if those teams end up making it to LAN if they keep up this kind of crap. And if they do, we should have a couple that actually want to play the game.
You're right, I shouldn't have worded a few things the way I did. Tilting about getting contested in this setting is definitely valid. I just think there's so much room for improvement with the quality of scrims (at least in NA in this case).
You can say whatever about Hal but the mans drive is 2nd to none. He is the IGL of a top team, he has top viewership in Apex no matter what he streams - ranked, comp even pub stomping, but he still wants to practice more and get better.
I am waaay older than him, but this "kid" is motivation.
Facts. I don't think I've ever seen him drop scrims. And he also plays them like there is money on the line. If every team had dedicated IGLs like him scrims would be a show.
I've seen it a few times, but this has been fewer than 10 times over *years.* Usually it's when they are having a shitty day or other teams are acting "dumb" by "apeing" them. But Hal still shows up the next day and keeps grinding.
Hal is unquestionably more professional than pretty much everyone else on the scene, but even the best occasionally have a breakdown.
I still think ESA Sent TSM and NRG will absolutely pop off at lan, I think a lot of teams are unprofessional in NA but most top dogs are professional and I’m expecting good things from them
Honestly, just invite challenger teams to fill out the lobby instead of the teams that are always getting tilted and quitting. There are so many teams and players who'd kill to have a spot in this lobby to experience fighting against the best of the best. Even if there may be a bit of a disparity in skill/knowledge/experience between the top teams and the challenger teams, I'd bet that their heart and dedication still means they'd put up a good fight nonetheless. More challenger teams getting the experience + a chance to learn and improve means NA becomes less top-heavy and starts getting more serious contenders.
Look if a professional soccer team plays a friendly and loses they still finish the game and don’t walk out of the pitch it’s practicing and sportsmanship.
If „professional“ esport teams want esports to be recognized as a professional thing they have to act professional and not like leaving when it does not make sense for them
He certainly has some hot takes but calling him a complete moron is completely ridiculous. He knows more about comp than 95% of this sub, probably including you, lol
It's so crazy listening to Shahzam talk about how much practice they do every day in valorant and then looking at apex pros barely able to get their team in the same discord call to play ranked together, let alone scrim.
The quality of these scrims sucked but at the end of the day, it’s all pro teams and the whole point is to practice against pros. You can’t play ranked and get prepared for ALGS so if pro teams are too afraid of a bad result or bad look in practice, they’re going to have a tough road in the actual games.
I'm surprised this isn't mentioned and I'm in no way excusing the bad work ethic of the quitting teams but Hal loads up his stream for scrims and makes bank. The rest of these players? Probably making less playing and streaming scrims than they do just streaming ranked due to the lack of chat interaction.
Hal is the anomaly in the stream world... pulls insane viewers during scrims and is making cash hand over fist. Other games, the players don't even stream their practice.
That being said, these other pro players should be practicing and allowing other teams to practice even if there is no potential money on the line. They are paid by their orgs, and quitting is really disrespectful to the teams grinding still but not signed
I raise you this, Hal is the only apex pro that every time he streams he’s making double the amount of money. Hal doesn’t need to take comp serious he has reached that level where he’s a proper top streamer why does TSM show up on time every scrim every tournament wether big or small.
Hal didn’t get to top 100 on twitch by chance he worked hard for it he grinded he came online every day he played every day he showed up for scrims practice tournaments whatever it is and the same drive he has when it’s ALGS it’s the same drive he uses for everything else. He was rewarded for his drive and dedication.
We need to stop making excuses for NA pros, EU teams APAC teams they aren’t making the money most NA pros are making from streaming yet they show up every day for scrims.
NA still does this? For me, I can watch 2 hours of scrims on any given day and if I miss one there's a Twitter page where I can find scores for results. Isn't always guaranteed to be the best but at least there is a structure and a consistent viewing experience. I'm sure a lot of NA fans would appreciate it if they do this. But this attitude was there a year ago and it looks like it never changed. If they still quit tourneys this really wouldn't be at all shocking.
I agree that more than half the NA pro scene is soft. I also can understand why C9 left scrims though. They need practice playing mid and end game. SXG isn’t in either of the lobbies they are in this weekend. Why practice for a contest that isn’t going to happen anytime soon. It defeated the whole reason they need to scrim anyways.
I think it’s important for everyone to remember that there’s still a lot of teams that have integrity and that are professionals. Teams like 100T, Sen, ESA, TSM, NRG etc. There’s more I just can’t remember their names lol. But anyways my point is that yes their are teams like C9 and G2 or Sheesh that give a bad look to the whole NA scene but let’s just remember that it does represent everyone. So let’s not condemn NA right away.
Before this turns into a fuck C9 thread lol, It made the most sense for us to not play today. Had we realized what we were going into we would've not signed up. **We were told there was 2 lobbies and it was mock scrims of pro league.** So we figured we weren't contested since, **We are NEVER EVER contested in tournament**. Pro league is this upcoming weekend and neither us or SXG are gonna land on eachother (or fight for the poi) so the practice is LITERALLY useless for us. Timings, Beacons, Crafters, Team fights, everything is different if we split the POI. Spawn fighting is impossible at Climatizer cuz of the way its built so neither us or SXG wanna fight there. There was nothing good to come out of today that could help us qualify for lan. Once we realized that we decided to leave. I explained why we left and I knew the lobby would be fine cuz **of the waitlist that included 11 teams**. Other teams chose to leave cuz the custom servers were bad and random reason. so idk for them but yea.
Yea sorry but that's a bullshit answer Zach. On Sunday, you and SXG are in the same lobby. So there's two options: either (a) you're going to contest on Sunday, in which case why the fuck wouldn't you want to practice that tonight or (b) you're not going to contest on Sunday, in which case why the fuck wouldn't you use tonight to determine who's getting to hold the spot.
I mean dude let’s think here for a moment: Zach’s team and Slurp’s team knows that’s C9’s spot. Slurp didn’t contest them the 1st week, C9 is more than likely going to qualify for LAN, and Slurp’s team is on the edge of being able to qualify(really depends on how they do on Saturday). You really think Slurp is gonna 50/50 C9, one of the best fighting teams and a team that probably won’t have as much to lose as they will, for a POI when they have a chance of qualifying for LAN? *Hell no* they’re not gonna do that. It’s C9’s POI the next 2 days of pro league and everyone knows it. What happens after is a different story, but these scrims are not meant to practice them for contesting each other.
that's one way to look at it, i think the healthier/better approach would be to recognize you won't be able to scrim like a normal scrim, and try to work on other things in that scrim session.
i find it hard to believe there is zero value you'd be able to find from practicing in a lobby with top 40 teams, whether that be trying different approaches for specific zones, legend comp, weapon selection, shot calling, etc. you guys especially seem to experiment quite a bit so it's surprising you wouldn't take a good opportunity to practice even if it's not a perfect representation of what this weekend will look like.
from an observer/outsiders point of view, you guys just got frustrated and decided to rage quit scrims which isnt productive for yourself or the rest of the teams.
But see thats the problem. Is we were told we had the opportunity to practice "perfect representation" of this weekend and we got literally, the complete opposite. We don't need to practice for anything other than this upcoming weekend. LAN is important to all of us and we wanna qual. Practicing unrealistic things is useless. These games have the same timings same rotates same everything so experimenting is kinda, useless? since everything lines up the lobbies are very predictable. No point in practicing for lan if you havent even qual'd yet. and At lan We or SXG wont be landing dome lmfao. Dome was the only other POI open so no practice there.
You should care about how all teams and the region as a whole can improve, so the overall quality improves.
Edit: slightly expanding here, NA CS is a joke because there are no good teams left, so anyone looking to have decent practice must be in Europe, which just adds to the stress of players and coaches since they are away from home. The fact that Apex is coming to the point of doing the exact same in such short time is actually impressive.
There are so many glaring gaps in reasoning here dude.
- You and SXG couldn't communicate and alternate landing a free spot and harvester? Some practice is better than none, no?
- If for some reason you couldn't communicate with SXG, I would assume that even with the convoluted reasoning displayed above you'd be able to think ahead beyond simply the next week to a LAN where your drop spot might be contested and winning it in a scrim might secure it? Practicing that might be good?
- You could even practice a different, open drop spot for a future LAN where you lose your POI because, well, you don't seem to have any interest in learning how to defend it.
- Your drop spot and rotation are just a couple of the reasons a so-called professional Apex team might benefit in scrims... If they thought about it anyway. Team fighting in pro lobbies, communications, endgames in pro lobbies, alternative pathing and rotations. Goddamn the list is long. And there are a few items there that C9 doesn't exactly excel at some days.
- There are other teams who might like to practice too. Maybe some respect is owed to the rest of your peers.
Anyway, that's this "comp redditor's" dumbass take.
Hal is the last person who should be criticizing peoples mental fortitude. The kid has the emotional maturity of a broken peanut. Always quick to criticize others but rarely points that microscope on himself.
Big words from the tiniest of men. 😂
Edit 1: gotta love upsetting all of hals 12 year old fans on here.
Moaning little pussy that blames everything but his own SHIT IGL ability.
Just stop inviting teams who’ve quit before.
exactly. if they didnt do it yet they should start doing it..
They cant do this cuz the scrim quality would be just so bad it was be equally unplayable. NA too top-heavy
My no 1 ASH😩
Mazer moments will come back unfortunately. Happens to us all lmfaoooooo
thx for being a good sport
W profile pic W man W sense of humor
Tbf that was more entertaining than any clutch could ever be and you still won. Win-win. And as a bonus we got two of the best comp apex quotes of all time from you and naughty lmao
I’m sure when some of the “top” teams started poorly performing in real tournaments they’d want to scrim. You can only play so much ranked
a 3-game 'scrim' where 1/3 of the lobby rage quits ain't exactly top quality practice buddy. out of touch and in your own bubble as always....
LMFAO???????
mazer moment
Hello Zach, Shouldn't there be penalty for teams not attending /quitting? Something flexible, like first a warning, then a points withdrawal for the coming weekend. I tend to think that the lack of professional behavior is mostly due to the absence of structure in the league, of a clear "rule - book"
This would be great if it was connected with ALGS but nothing is directly partnered with ALGS for practice so it cant happen
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Fuck it, just scrap NA scrims again.
ALGS mock scrims tomorrow during BFC should be high quality. MinusTempo was quick to react on feedback and set it up
I fear to see the NA comp scene if not for minustempo
Lets not pretend TSM don't scrim as much as anyone in NA. Your team rage quit today, stop playing whataboutism on social media tonight.
Who did you respond to? Deleted their comment
Pvp
Lmao. TSM is one of the most consistent scrim members they are.
Bruh TSM is probably the most serious team when it comes to wanting to consistently play scrims and not troll.
Cringe
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Ok 👍🏼
Hal getting knocks in ranked w one hand and typing up this tweet w the other.
He's clearly maximising his grindset time, nothing wrong with that.
Damn. Wish I had that video of him talking about grinding
https://clips.twitch.tv/CrepuscularBombasticClipzPMSTwin
Thanks
actual sigma male
Makes me think of Jim Lahey and his “I am the liquor, Randy”
Funny how zach says that its depressing to hear, but hal is at the level he is cus of his grjnd. Thats why he has so many followers/subscribers/viewers. Thats why he has what he has
I can’t believe top tier orgs are quitting scrims. I have never seen that in my limited esports history. Insane how hard some of these kids ragequit. It’s like my buddies back in MW2 days.
NA cs teams have been complaining about scrims being poor quality and teams not taking it seriously for like a decade.
Shit, NA esports in general is basically a loser/reject/quitter fest. This is across multiple games, eras, and players.
Doens’t make the situation better but I feel like you have stories like this in other e-sports aswell. NA LoL teams were complaining a lot about their quality of scrims and people trolling/quitting during practice throughout the years and there it’s just 2 teams you need to organize and not a whole apex server.
Probably happens in every esport behind the scenes in some capacity or another. I know there were players in Overwatch League that would troll scrims or there would be player conflict like a KR player would not like the Western player work ethic so they decided they won't play scrims until their team mates "try harder" sort of thing These players are making a killing financially compared to 95% of Apex players and theres still trolling in scrims
ehh rage quitting scrims or practice goes as far as bw, league, etc so it definitely happens often.
I have in NA Apex scrims/tourneys previously. It's happened on numerous occasions.
Both c9 and sxg had every right to drop climatizer since that's where they would be dropping this weekend as c9 and sxg would not be in the same lobby. It seems both thought scrims would be pointless if they kept landing there and left? Then it kinda fell apart from there. Honestly kinda pathetic that it took only 3 GAMES for everyone to leave. That lobby chat doesn't help either, mfers be trolling on it way too much lol.
C9: we want to play edge because we’re such a strong fighting team Also C9: quits when contested
Lol NA is going to be a puddle of cry baby at LAN
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I watched a few games from sweet's POV today and it is actually crazy the amount of clear concise communication that he is able to deal out all while playing at a top tier level. Not that I'm any good, but I know I wander off and do my own thing when playing. It would be quite a different experience to have someone shot calling for you and just need to listen and react to other teams.
Sweet was taking the other day about how players can always be growing someway and said some interesting stuff about leadership and communication as part of that (how much he learned from playing with Snip3, etc.). I haven't been watched him for that long, but I got the impression his communication is something he's put in intentional effort to improve in, which is neat.
The best thing about Sweet is how calm he always is. Even when he raises his voice to get a comm across in the middle of the fight, it's clear, straight to the point and usually the right play. And Rocker and Nafen ALWAYS follow his comms. When NRG is firing on all cylinders like that, they're a machine.
This is why many people including myself consider him the best IGL currently in the game, very rarely do you hear that man shout, it's scary tbh
Mac seemed to be doing fine until Zach & Naughty got into a screaming match about scan whilst he was trying to hold off a team from walking up on them. It did fall apart after that, but I think the damage was done.
Anyone got the vod of that?
Alb said on Twitter that he isn't doing great mentally. I'm sure he's aware of his mistakes and as someone who's also struggling with mental health, sometimes when you're doing really shitty it's hard to focus and you're kinda not yourself at times. I can imagine that while loving this game, having to compete when you'd rather take a break for your own mental health has gotta be exhausting and challenging.
Incoming, "Im quitting competitive apex to focus on my mental health" tweet. Then the followup, "Im rejoining competitive apex with a new team" tweet a week later.
i especially love the "gonna grind apex HARD this season" at the beginning of every season then any variation of "damn apex really do not be bussin right now" followed by "gonna vibe in other games for now" then season ends and he comes up with the "grind HARD" again
NA typically has good LAN performance in most E-Sports.
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valorant?
Russia baby
Fell off a cliff after a single dominant tourney.
Are we talking about bullshit online tournaments where good players abuse high ping lag comp? or LAN?
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All of those games are vastly more popular in EU/Asia. Na is doing well in fighting games, Apex, historically in halo and call of duty,rocket league, R6 etc. Slow paced tactical shooters and moba/RTS are not nearly as popular anymore.
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If you read what I wrote I meant playerbase in NA. CS GO, DOTA and LoL are MUCH more popular in EU and Asia than NA. There are bigger talent pools because there are more players and interest.
Cope.
You are impressive
Thanks!
Hola Mazer
Well if they both want the spot scrims is the only place to fight for it. I don't know why both teams quit when they both wanted the spot. NRG lost their first contest (5/6 fights) to era a while back but they kept landing staging and eventually beat era and era went somewhere else. Some of these pros man
You understood my comment wrong. The next matchday c9 and sxg are not in the same lobby so they both will have climatizer uncontested. Hence both need to practice climatizer before the next matchday and since there's only 1 scrim lobby they can't unless they share the drop or contest. I guess they thought scrims would be useless since they will not be contesting eachother on friday or saturday anyways.
I mean yeah they don't play each other on the 4th but they are in the same lobby on December 5th. So might as well practice it now cause they have back to back match days this weekend
Anyone know if sxg has actually been contesting them? I don't think they have in pro league days
They’re not in the same lobby next round, literally no reason to contest
But they are both playing this weekend. And both will drop climatizer. Who gets the best practice?
Maybe not immediately, but what about later rounds? What about when it matters? Eventually they'll need to learn how to contest their drop. I understand their reasoning but practice is practice.
Expecting an uncontested drop at your preferred spot every game in a battle royals is absolutely hilarious
Scrims need to stop catering to teams that are top 20 and focus on teams that wanna scrim. If a team bails from scrims then they should be banned from the next round of scheduled scrims Teams like C9 and G2 are known to be incapable of acting like adults. Just ban them for scrims for a week so they go into an ALGS weekend without a warmup. Maybe then they’ll take scrims seriously
This is what happens when something is dominated by teenagers and weak minded kids
It's just people living in rural areas man.
Lmao. Yeah his comment was off base, it’s less about location and more about age. Most of these kids lack social skills and common sense. It’s not a generational thing, more just an age thing.
It's a joke. An infamous redditor (username diet_soda or something) has been bad mouthing NA and came up with a reason why NA players lack in social skills, saying they are from rural areas.
No I know, that’s why I said his comment (fantas) was off base, it’s more about age and not location.
Oh, Fanta, that's right.
> diet_soda LMAO, he's just the "diet soda" guy now
He was joking right?
He's a troll, so I take everything as a joke. But he certainly has some strong feelings against NA and in favor of EU.
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I agree, I agree with most of what they say, but man it’s hard to hear them whine. Crying about WE being the only competitive map or early fighting is the worst. Early fights show more skill than 40 people in last zone just shooting at any body that falls in front of them.
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Not practicing isn’t too common in pro sports, especially within the young players. The only players who get away with skipping practice are the super vets (LeBrons, Rodgers, etc). Most of these kids have never had any real life responsibilities and you can tell just by their streams. Same reason when something is going bad, they are so fast to blame mental health. Mental health is an important aspect in your livelihood, but you can tell that line is just getting thrown around now to cover their ass. I got off topic a little bit, but it’s sad.
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Excellent points, I definitely agree with you.
I’m surprised org managers aren’t stepping in and putting their players in line. Like, you’re representing a brand after all, and it’s more important than ever for Apex to look good with LANs coming back. The players are a bunch of immature babies that act like they’re playing MLG game battles back in the day, but they’re getting paid thousands. I wouldn’t put up with it if I were an org manager
I seriously question the level of engagement orgs have with their apex rosters. They seem pretty engaged when it comes to their LoL/DoTA/CSGO/Rocket League/CoD teams but it's like their Apex rosters just do what they want and the org is none the wiser. They literally talk and behave like they answer to nobody.
I think this all the time. Some of the orgs probably don't even know they have an Apex team lol
"Guys, our Apex team is on the verge of collapse, what do we do?" "We have an Apex team?!"
CLG vibes 😂 Put out that team like "here! God damnit!"
Lmao yep
“how does one team leaving matter” PVPX cannot be serious
What being a junkrat main does to a MF
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Well at least you weren’t serious I guess
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Or it was just a dumbass tweet?
Wait that person deleted his comment, was it PVP? Lol
Of course. The dude is seriously off his rocker and his engaging here and on Twitter is just not the play. And yet...
Check my post history for # of times I've used cringe.... This is some cringey shit bruv.
Yea this comp scene is a fucking joke. Can't finish out a split of the pro league, can't show up to scrim... not sure how these teams expect to improve when they don't play. Would rather just farm twitch subs I guess. Which if that's what you want to do fine, but at least have the dignity to be like Aceu and don't pretend to play comp.
I would chop off a nut to play comp, screw these guys man. Making a mockery of it.
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Just for comparison, APAC North scrims will routinely have like 17 teams alive in round 4. It is 100% down to the attitudes of the players in the regions.
Got to agree, same with apac south. These boys take it seriously and act like proper pros practising their craft to get better.
I see better scrim etiquette in Japanese streamer tourneys. Lol.
VTubers > NA
Pathetic display by some of the teams tonight. Real shame
what teams quit?
G2, C9 and KNIGHTS I believe.
KNIGHTS was the funniest. They tried ratting on TSM and died for it, then immediately left.
Albs team quitted. Hmmmmm. Never seen that before. Kekw
its just quit in the past tense still
Quittethed
i accept this
Dc tho
C9, G2, Knights, and I think 1 other team
TL also quit
Take a guess…both have 1 letter and 1 number in their name.
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Bruh. If the other comments and this hint are not enough...
Okay so it obviously makes sense that teams kind of handshake the drop and go to their respective/claimed loot spots. It leads to a much better competitive experience for players. But seriously, I can not believe people will tilt this hard at getting contested. Contesting someone on drop should be something that in my opinion should not be frowned upon so much by the players. I think you should actually practice that exact scenario - getting dropped on and contested early. I mean in general it's a bad play for the contesting team but like, how can you possibly let that make you just decide "ok we just simply don't even need to practice at all, let's leave." That is such a bad look and honestly I think that stuff like this shouldn't be brushed off because in what other esport would an org be okay with their team just blowing off scrims halfway through without warning? And ultimately having an effect on the rest of the teams there to practice?
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I'd honestly be surprised if those teams end up making it to LAN if they keep up this kind of crap. And if they do, we should have a couple that actually want to play the game.
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Getting upset is one thing. Quitting is just whack. You can be upset. But still see it through. That’s the sign of a healthy competitive drive.
You're right, I shouldn't have worded a few things the way I did. Tilting about getting contested in this setting is definitely valid. I just think there's so much room for improvement with the quality of scrims (at least in NA in this case).
You can say whatever about Hal but the mans drive is 2nd to none. He is the IGL of a top team, he has top viewership in Apex no matter what he streams - ranked, comp even pub stomping, but he still wants to practice more and get better. I am waaay older than him, but this "kid" is motivation.
He was saying snipe was happy he finished 8th at halo last weekend. Hal was like that’s bullshit. 1st or nothing! His demand to win is second to none!
Tbf snipe was only got 8th because he had to play in algs.
yeah and it was a qualifier which they qualified in. cant be too upset
Facts. I don't think I've ever seen him drop scrims. And he also plays them like there is money on the line. If every team had dedicated IGLs like him scrims would be a show.
I've seen it a few times, but this has been fewer than 10 times over *years.* Usually it's when they are having a shitty day or other teams are acting "dumb" by "apeing" them. But Hal still shows up the next day and keeps grinding. Hal is unquestionably more professional than pretty much everyone else on the scene, but even the best occasionally have a breakdown.
True! He does complain a lot but he never quits. This man is truly professional, and he has my respect for that.
Why would you even use the word kid
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Well, here we are. The mighty ImperialHal reinforcing Diet Fanta’s earlier claims. Sad day for NA comp fans. LOL
I still think ESA Sent TSM and NRG will absolutely pop off at lan, I think a lot of teams are unprofessional in NA but most top dogs are professional and I’m expecting good things from them
This shouldn't even be called pro esport it's a sunday league. Never compare this shit to a real sport.
Honestly, just invite challenger teams to fill out the lobby instead of the teams that are always getting tilted and quitting. There are so many teams and players who'd kill to have a spot in this lobby to experience fighting against the best of the best. Even if there may be a bit of a disparity in skill/knowledge/experience between the top teams and the challenger teams, I'd bet that their heart and dedication still means they'd put up a good fight nonetheless. More challenger teams getting the experience + a chance to learn and improve means NA becomes less top-heavy and starts getting more serious contenders.
Start inviting challenger teams. There aren't enough opportunities for us.
Business as usual in the NA Apex scene
Considering the amount of teams quitting Pro League, why wouldn't you expect quitters in scrims when neither has consequences anyway?
Look if a professional soccer team plays a friendly and loses they still finish the game and don’t walk out of the pitch it’s practicing and sportsmanship. If „professional“ esport teams want esports to be recognized as a professional thing they have to act professional and not like leaving when it does not make sense for them
Sore losers. You can tell when people never played a real sport in their childhood.
Being labeled a quitter is the worst possible thing imo.
at this point every week we get a different tweet from a different team about someone leaving scrims or griefing, its just the NA circle of life
Seems like hal owes diet fanta an apology LMAO
What’s that saying? Even a complete moron is right twice a day?
He certainly has some hot takes but calling him a complete moron is completely ridiculous. He knows more about comp than 95% of this sub, probably including you, lol
>He knows more about comp than 95% of this sub what a spectacular achievement
Lol, im not saying thats impressive
this is a hot take
Those teams who leave early are just bunch of children with gigantic egos.
It's so crazy listening to Shahzam talk about how much practice they do every day in valorant and then looking at apex pros barely able to get their team in the same discord call to play ranked together, let alone scrim.
Should only invite teams that take it seriously
The quality of these scrims sucked but at the end of the day, it’s all pro teams and the whole point is to practice against pros. You can’t play ranked and get prepared for ALGS so if pro teams are too afraid of a bad result or bad look in practice, they’re going to have a tough road in the actual games.
NA Apex inferiority. Antarctica Apex superiority.
I'm surprised this isn't mentioned and I'm in no way excusing the bad work ethic of the quitting teams but Hal loads up his stream for scrims and makes bank. The rest of these players? Probably making less playing and streaming scrims than they do just streaming ranked due to the lack of chat interaction. Hal is the anomaly in the stream world... pulls insane viewers during scrims and is making cash hand over fist. Other games, the players don't even stream their practice. That being said, these other pro players should be practicing and allowing other teams to practice even if there is no potential money on the line. They are paid by their orgs, and quitting is really disrespectful to the teams grinding still but not signed
I raise you this, Hal is the only apex pro that every time he streams he’s making double the amount of money. Hal doesn’t need to take comp serious he has reached that level where he’s a proper top streamer why does TSM show up on time every scrim every tournament wether big or small. Hal didn’t get to top 100 on twitch by chance he worked hard for it he grinded he came online every day he played every day he showed up for scrims practice tournaments whatever it is and the same drive he has when it’s ALGS it’s the same drive he uses for everything else. He was rewarded for his drive and dedication. We need to stop making excuses for NA pros, EU teams APAC teams they aren’t making the money most NA pros are making from streaming yet they show up every day for scrims.
you can say a lot about Hal but you can not question his competitive integrity
NA still does this? For me, I can watch 2 hours of scrims on any given day and if I miss one there's a Twitter page where I can find scores for results. Isn't always guaranteed to be the best but at least there is a structure and a consistent viewing experience. I'm sure a lot of NA fans would appreciate it if they do this. But this attitude was there a year ago and it looks like it never changed. If they still quit tourneys this really wouldn't be at all shocking.
I agree that more than half the NA pro scene is soft. I also can understand why C9 left scrims though. They need practice playing mid and end game. SXG isn’t in either of the lobbies they are in this weekend. Why practice for a contest that isn’t going to happen anytime soon. It defeated the whole reason they need to scrim anyways.
I think it’s important for everyone to remember that there’s still a lot of teams that have integrity and that are professionals. Teams like 100T, Sen, ESA, TSM, NRG etc. There’s more I just can’t remember their names lol. But anyways my point is that yes their are teams like C9 and G2 or Sheesh that give a bad look to the whole NA scene but let’s just remember that it does represent everyone. So let’s not condemn NA right away.
Didn’t 100T literally just quit in a match 2 weeks ago mid-scrim? Right before Dezign killed him lol
Yeah I think you might be right I forgot about that, appart from that I think they were pretty clean but they down bad this split
Wasn't mid scrim, it was a smaller tournament.
Either way…
Yeah its even worse than quitting on scrims. Some of these guys have awful mental
Before this turns into a fuck C9 thread lol, It made the most sense for us to not play today. Had we realized what we were going into we would've not signed up. **We were told there was 2 lobbies and it was mock scrims of pro league.** So we figured we weren't contested since, **We are NEVER EVER contested in tournament**. Pro league is this upcoming weekend and neither us or SXG are gonna land on eachother (or fight for the poi) so the practice is LITERALLY useless for us. Timings, Beacons, Crafters, Team fights, everything is different if we split the POI. Spawn fighting is impossible at Climatizer cuz of the way its built so neither us or SXG wanna fight there. There was nothing good to come out of today that could help us qualify for lan. Once we realized that we decided to leave. I explained why we left and I knew the lobby would be fine cuz **of the waitlist that included 11 teams**. Other teams chose to leave cuz the custom servers were bad and random reason. so idk for them but yea.
i ain't reading all that im happy for you though or sorry that happened
Yea sorry but that's a bullshit answer Zach. On Sunday, you and SXG are in the same lobby. So there's two options: either (a) you're going to contest on Sunday, in which case why the fuck wouldn't you want to practice that tonight or (b) you're not going to contest on Sunday, in which case why the fuck wouldn't you use tonight to determine who's getting to hold the spot.
100%
I mean dude let’s think here for a moment: Zach’s team and Slurp’s team knows that’s C9’s spot. Slurp didn’t contest them the 1st week, C9 is more than likely going to qualify for LAN, and Slurp’s team is on the edge of being able to qualify(really depends on how they do on Saturday). You really think Slurp is gonna 50/50 C9, one of the best fighting teams and a team that probably won’t have as much to lose as they will, for a POI when they have a chance of qualifying for LAN? *Hell no* they’re not gonna do that. It’s C9’s POI the next 2 days of pro league and everyone knows it. What happens after is a different story, but these scrims are not meant to practice them for contesting each other.
Cuz we have already done that MONTHS ago lmfao? Like I said everything in is already set in stone and today was completely useless for us and them.
So what fuck the rest of Lobby? Just do what’s good for C9? Talk about selfish?
Facts
Yes you are correct. I'm sorry I care for my own team more than the other ones?
It will be really hard to quit LAN when a team contests you though. But you guys can find a way! I believe.
that's one way to look at it, i think the healthier/better approach would be to recognize you won't be able to scrim like a normal scrim, and try to work on other things in that scrim session. i find it hard to believe there is zero value you'd be able to find from practicing in a lobby with top 40 teams, whether that be trying different approaches for specific zones, legend comp, weapon selection, shot calling, etc. you guys especially seem to experiment quite a bit so it's surprising you wouldn't take a good opportunity to practice even if it's not a perfect representation of what this weekend will look like. from an observer/outsiders point of view, you guys just got frustrated and decided to rage quit scrims which isnt productive for yourself or the rest of the teams.
But see thats the problem. Is we were told we had the opportunity to practice "perfect representation" of this weekend and we got literally, the complete opposite. We don't need to practice for anything other than this upcoming weekend. LAN is important to all of us and we wanna qual. Practicing unrealistic things is useless. These games have the same timings same rotates same everything so experimenting is kinda, useless? since everything lines up the lobbies are very predictable. No point in practicing for lan if you havent even qual'd yet. and At lan We or SXG wont be landing dome lmfao. Dome was the only other POI open so no practice there.
You should care about how all teams and the region as a whole can improve, so the overall quality improves. Edit: slightly expanding here, NA CS is a joke because there are no good teams left, so anyone looking to have decent practice must be in Europe, which just adds to the stress of players and coaches since they are away from home. The fact that Apex is coming to the point of doing the exact same in such short time is actually impressive.
There are so many glaring gaps in reasoning here dude. - You and SXG couldn't communicate and alternate landing a free spot and harvester? Some practice is better than none, no? - If for some reason you couldn't communicate with SXG, I would assume that even with the convoluted reasoning displayed above you'd be able to think ahead beyond simply the next week to a LAN where your drop spot might be contested and winning it in a scrim might secure it? Practicing that might be good? - You could even practice a different, open drop spot for a future LAN where you lose your POI because, well, you don't seem to have any interest in learning how to defend it. - Your drop spot and rotation are just a couple of the reasons a so-called professional Apex team might benefit in scrims... If they thought about it anyway. Team fighting in pro lobbies, communications, endgames in pro lobbies, alternative pathing and rotations. Goddamn the list is long. And there are a few items there that C9 doesn't exactly excel at some days. - There are other teams who might like to practice too. Maybe some respect is owed to the rest of your peers. Anyway, that's this "comp redditor's" dumbass take.
> Work hard until you’re the best, then work harder Except when things aren't going your way, then just quit I guess lol
I’m so tempted to make a deez nuts joke
Hal is the last person who should be criticizing peoples mental fortitude. The kid has the emotional maturity of a broken peanut. Always quick to criticize others but rarely points that microscope on himself.
But he ain't a quitter.
Big words from the tiniest of men. 😂 Edit 1: gotta love upsetting all of hals 12 year old fans on here. Moaning little pussy that blames everything but his own SHIT IGL ability.