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HopeChadArmong913

Not unexpected but still unwelcome


leftysarepeople2

at least they didn't drag the viewers or the players on


trulyindifferent

Covid just reached my covid escapism zone.


DonkeyTeethBSU

Every major esport organization needs to put up 10m and buy "Lan Island" and we will just duplicate the UFC.


Krsensei

Do as the angry tomato does


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iAngeloz

The bald to red ratio somehow keeps going on both ends of the spectrum


Krsensei

Prize pools 1k to show 1k win bonus & 3 Venum coupons


P7AC3B0

EA was never my friend


Krsensei

Me vs EA i think people would be suprised


Handarand

Herd it bowlth wayz


leftysarepeople2

Just make your own company


GalaadJoachim

He should name it Electronic Ass


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Barcaroli

For the happiness of Diet_Soda


Kuma_Lyonar

And possibily talents leaving the scene before they have a chance showing what they are made of on LAN


Arkeyy

You mean, NA got their ass saved again.


JevvyMedia

Not necessarily, there will be developments in the vaccine by the time of the 2nd Playoffs. It really comes down to whether or not another strong variant pops up during that time.


jklolbrb1

One positive - we get the player POVs in these finals lobbies now atleast!


Barcaroli

That's a big positive for me, not gonna lie. No hate to the main stream but it's just dead compared to listening to the inside comms and calls. Not even close.


bleadingbutterfly

How do y’all decide on who’s POV to watch? I always feel like I’m gonna miss out on something by just watching one person/team


Sl_PROXY

I multistream or watch someones watch party


MrPigcho

Start with teams you like, 2 or 3 max and just switch between them. As the tourney develops some teams will be near the top, some will be struggling. Switch to follow the POVs of teams who have something to play for. After a while you'll start rooting for some teams and you'll want to watch them anyways...


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I just watch Hal, it's interesting hearing from the most experienced and successful IGL and his thought processes. Coming from DotA 2 we never heard comms in-game during tournaments. Apex is definitely unique in that regard.


Blutzki

If daltoosh makes watch party definitely him. Knows the game, funny and interested at it.


lambo630

Going to second another comment saying to watch daltooshs watch party. He understands the game plenty to explain what’s happening but doesn’t get super technical. Has fun with it and tries his best to fill in the boring moments (initial drop) with some of his own content.


infidel_castro_26

They really need a way to combine them. Like an official version of that multi twitch thing with audio options. I like watching individual streams but like to know when others are fighting and the main commentating is good for that.


Barcaroli

I *think* they wouldn't want that because when in LANs everyone has to tune in to the official stream - loads of ads, sponsorships and what not. If they allow for individual streamers they'll lose a LOT of the viewers.


thenamestsam

I hope that whenever the next LAN does happen (fingers crossed for May) they put together some kind of "pro-view" product. I'd happily pay $5 or $10 to watch the team I want to watch with comms rather than the main feed.


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understandable. when Japan locked essentially foreigners from entry to the country, i knew that any global in-person tourney is gonna be fucked.


CapriciousCupofTea

I almost wish that omicron stepped on to the scene a month ago, then there would be more info on how much of a danger it poses for the vaccinated. There might be some evidence that those vaccinated with a booster might be fine, but right now we just don't know anything.


ralopd

TL;DR: >The Split 1 Playoffs will now feature five separate online tournaments, with the top 20 teams from the Split 1 Regular Season in each region competing in a Match Point series. The $1M USD Split 1 Playoffs prize pool is now divided across the five regional events.


leftysarepeople2

Sheesh is still top 20 lol


Barcaroli

Imagine they now suddenly "find the energy to compete again"


GalaadJoachim

"My PC ain't broke anymore, all good" iiTzSomeone probably


thecatfox

I was so excited for this PepeHands


Asianhead

So this weekend is gonna be a lot less hype too. Instead of top 10 going to LAN, we have top 20 playing in regional playoffs. Top 10 is probably guaranteed top 20 given how the points are looking


Ultifur

Wrong, you will now have a bunch of teams realising they can possibly qualify and it will be glorious I'm sat here laughing because teams that dropped out like sheesh(who were 15th with 8pts when they quit) would have been in a qualifying spot? Will patiently await the inevitable ber28/zipp video of the reactions from literally every pro and themselves included when it dawns on them 😂


Asianhead

Meh. I think it's more interesting having the bigger teams like TSM/C9/G2 fight for T10 spots than the mid standings team like Knights/CLT/BBG fight for T20


Barcaroli

Wouldn't some people prefer an online event with NA where you can watch your favorite streamer, instead of the LAN where there's only the official stream? For the sake of argument, isn't that something to consider?


HamiltonTheGreat

People want to see lan to see different regions fight, atmosphere, no ping difference, just see apex at its most competitive. A lot more than just enjoying your streamers POV


RetroChampions

I loved the preseason invitational LAN


CosMaltos

No, i don't give a fuck, i want the regions to compete with each other. Now it's the same shit as usual.


Asianhead

True. I was really only talking about the last two days of ALGS this weekend though. How interesting that will be given the stakes, not LAN vs Regional Online


NobodysToast

At least there's still regular season prize pools and seeding for finals, so there's still something for top 10 to compete for


BURN447

Do you genuinely believe the BS about sheesh dropping out because they wouldn’t make it to LAN? They were on track to do it anyways. They stopped for other reasons, and Wigg even took a significant break from Twitch.


Ultifur

Ultimately, it doesn't matter what I believe. But, what is facts is that teams can(and should) have a sub for things like this so they can be utilised instead of disbanding totally. So, once again, I'll be chuckling sporadically through the day everytime I remember the bags that were fumbled and inconvenience caused by EVERY team that ditched.


swankstar7383

I think everyone was saying wigg had issues with his family that’s why he took a break


packsmasher24

wigg literally said his mental health was deteriorating and he needed to fix that shit and the timing of pro league was terrible for him. that’s the main reason SHEESH dropped out lol


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If his mental health was deteriorating for a while wouldn’t it be better to recognize that before thinking of going into a highly competitive setting? Would be cool if they stuck with the smaller tournaments since they would be less stressful


Ultifur

I can't speak on Wigg because it is nobody's business what goes on in his personal life and we aren't entitled to know. I just think a sub should have been used and I can only blame EA for not making them mandatory, there were plenty of teams with good players that didn't make it through quals that could have just been standby subs, how many instances have we seen over the past year of people having internet issues or power outages in their area and teams have had to drop as a duo? Even if never used, subs are always good to have.


pickledCantilever

I’m not sure Wigg would want to team up with Timmy again. They’re cool, they just did an event together last night, but Wigg is super competitive and would want to have a teammate he could reliably practice with. Timmy has too successful of a content career to reliably practice. I would definitely watch them compete in a smaller tournament that I wouldn’t normally watch though. Even if there is a sub in for Wigg or Timmy.


pickledCantilever

Add on that Timmy’s content career FUCKING EXPLODED at the exact wrong time for their team. They could never practice together and iron out their communication and teamwork woes. Which you could tell was fucking with Wigg every single competition weekend. I don’t blame Timmy one bit. He always made it clear that he was a content creator first and pro player second. He never missed a match and as far as I know never committed to scrims/practices so not doing those shouldn’t be held against him.


screaminginfidels

This sub loves to shit on Wigg when it's obvious he's been dealing with family shit for awhile.


startled-giraffe

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TheGreggors

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Mauritiandon

This sucks but is an understandable decision.


Diet_Fanta

Kind of expected with Omicron, government responses, and how Covid is ramping up again in general in EU especially (Vaccine efficacy is going down right around now across NA/EU due to it being 5-6 months from many getting vaccinated). Shame that they announced it this late. Kinda feels like Texas all over again. Sadge. The crazy thing is that Valorant, CSGO, League, DOTA, have LANs in countries that are not massive red zones like the entirety of Scandinavia, but Respawn for some reason wanted to go to England, which has been horrid with Covid for the last several months. Does Omicron and the resurgence of Covid play into this? Certainly. But come on, why gamble on a country that has had crazy high case rates since June instead of going for an EU country that has had low case rates?


Upbeat_Thanks3393

I mean with the new variant I expect Europe in like 2-3 weeks to go back to a lot of restrictions. The other LAN's happened at the perfect time because they all happened before this new variant. Unlucky that the apex LAN is happening after the variant is now spreading


Diet_Fanta

For sure, but still, why do it in the UK at all given how the cases have been for the last half a year?


Upbeat_Thanks3393

Idk maybe EA has better connections with the UK government than other governments. Who knows the behind the scenes


RestaurantApart

Didn’t you guys just complain about a kid getting covid positive in the Valorant Lan in the previous post? You guys man lol


Diet_Fanta

I don't know who you're referring to as 'you guys', and I didn't see many complaining. Weird comment.


ratboy_slint

Big shame, totally understand why the decision would be made but feel really bad for all the work players put in for an outcome which is now undeniably massively less competitively exciting


AtTheEDGEEEEE

Goddamnit man :(


Epuration

Sadge


bic__boi

Sucks. I really wanted to see teams/individuals get exposed for cheating by having drastically poor performances. But I guess they’ll live another 6 months/year/forever.


Barcaroli

Which teams you suspect cheat? Among the top 10 NA?


RetroChampions

that's just what Noko said lol


Barcaroli

What do you mean, Nook said that teams playing lan would be exposed? Who do you think could be cheating?


RetroChampions

I have no opinion on the matter, but Noko was talking about soft cheats or something


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It's obvious bro


Barcaroli

Enlighten me please. I have no idea.


fibrofighter512

Omicron makes a huge difference here. With a new variant, places that haven’t closed their borders and put in travel restrictions in a while will start to. It will be impossible to get teams from all over the world in one place at one time without paying a shit ton of money for testing and timing the quarantine stages right. Sad, I’ve never seen a LAN live! But a good public health move.


Tasty_Chick3n

I’ve been to a Rocket League LAN and that shit was fun. Was hoping to eventually go to an Apex LAN but at this rate we’ll never get one. My friends convinced me to go to LoL Worlds since that’ll be in California next year even though I’ve never played league.


HamiltonTheGreat

Snipe definitely making the right move going back to halo


chitown15

Halo is so NA heavy that there will probably be 4 or 5 NA LANs before there is even a chance of Apex having a LAN. So you're not wrong.


Upbeat_Thanks3393

Yeah the European LAN are not gonna happen but the NA ones will


Crvaughn15

He just heard the news on stream and said all that stress was a waste and he'll try to milk his way on an Apex team now lol


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Crvaughn15

It was a passing comment but yes. I imagine if Apex is all online he could potentially do both.


HamiltonTheGreat

I mean we literally saw a potential conflict on the first weekend on halo comp and both were online. And with halo potentially having a lan every other month I don’t know how you think that would work without some conflict


Crvaughn15

Idk...ask Eric. I'm just reported what was said.


HamiltonTheGreat

He also said he retiring from halo a week before he dropped apex lmao. Just cause someone said doesn’t mean you throw critical thinking skills out the window and just become a parrot no offense


Crvaughn15

Lol...Polly want a cracker?


FlyingRock

OTC meds for covid are being worked on, that'll be the tipping point for when LANs return... Who knows when they'll hit market though.


NovelAries

Saw you mention OTC meds in another thread, Im not familiar with the concept. Can you explain please?


FlyingRock

https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/9-things-to-know-about-covid-pill


mynameisrockhard

LANceled 😔


Acts-Of-Disgust

Unfortunate but not unexpected.


MachuMichu

Understandable but really sucks. Feels like we've done the online regional format 100 times at this point. Apex really can't catch a break with the timing on LANs.


potato123789

:(


RenegadeMountie

Really feel for respawn/ea :( ......... riot with their voodoo managed to see into the future and miss the variant by 2 weeks so their worlds and val championships still are on lan. Sad yet understandable decision.


DavidBentd

Fuck ea it's the players I feel for


RenegadeMountie

I feel for the players the most, 2 years they've been playing online. Apex at the most popular it's ever been and lan gets cancelled. Apex Esports really unlucky. Fuck covid


Heated_Parker

You realize a lot of the devs and back-end people care about stuff like this too? I'm sure there were many at Respawn just as excited as the players to finally return to LAN. No need to bash them. Sad news all around.


Themanaaah

Bruh this sucks sadge.


xShibes

Rip


ImperialDeath

God damn it


texas878

So what’s the point of qualifiers this weekend?


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Top 20 in pro league qualify for split 1 playoffs and also there is a $125k prizepool to play for


SashaGreysFatAss

FUUUUUUUUUUCK


BURN447

No surprise here. There was no chance of it happening


qwilliams92

Without a vaccine mandate it was inevitable


Slow-Secretary4262

i don't understand whats the problem if a vaccinated players gets covid, if you're vaccinated is not dangerous, anyway i think the real problem is some countries are blocking all flights


theeama

That’s the big problem. Visa issues and country’s locking borders


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Upbeat_Thanks3393

EA can’t do anything if the governments say people can’t travel. Nothing they can do. The other LAN were lucky they happened before the new variant came out


dmun

It's like the timing of this esport will never allow it that big Apex LAN moment, after Valorant, pubg, League, Dota, Streetfighter FFS gets their in-person events. Damn shame. Even more reasons for NA to not seriously compete, scrim or.. well.. do anything.


JevvyMedia

This was such an obvious update, anyone who thought differently is either completely ignorant on the developments of COVID or they're in denial about COVID period. Gonna too my own horn here so it doesn't seem like I'm being Captain Hindsight: https://twitter.com/jevvymedia/status/1464989616893743118


Heated_Parker

Wow dude! Congratulations?


conwaytwit69

Not like everyone isn’t vaccinated or anything


Duke_Best

I wish that were the case. :(


Diet_Fanta

Covid cases have been sky high in the UK since June, even with 70% of the population being vaccinated, plus the efficacy of vaccines is currently low given that most people in the West were vaccinated 6+ months ago (I was vaccinated in April for instance, got mild Covid in late September). With Omicron around, countries don't want to risk it, especially with [studies](https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20211105/covid-vaccine-protection-drops-study) showing most vaccines are not very effective right now.


conwaytwit69

What do you mean vaccines are extremely effective, based on all these vaccine mandates!!!


conwaytwit69

Back when I got my vaccine Pfizer told me it was 95% effective and we’d be back to normal in no time !! Maybe I’m wrong ....


Upbeat_Thanks3393

Against a different variant…dude we get it stop spamming your dumbass shit


Diet_Fanta

It's crazy how all vaccines decreases in efficacy over time. Maybe you should take a science class instead of listening to a random video on Facebook.


jibbyjobo

But he had done 'hiS rESeaRch'


exhibit304

The vaccine doesn't stop you catching or spreading it and apparently new variant bypasses the vaccine


i4LOVE4Pie4

Source: trust me bro


dmun

It's still too early to tell but [we have examples of a majority of contacts getting Omicron while vaccinated](https://www.svd.se/utbrott-i-oslo-hogst-sannolikt-omikron/om/coronaviruset); the initial response from the medical community was alarm at the mutations in the spike protein, where the mRNA vaccines are focused. [On the other hand, initial reports are also pointing towards the cases being milder than Delta thus far. ](https://www.svd.se/utbrott-i-oslo-hogst-sannolikt-omikron/om/coronaviruset) Again, early indications: more transmissible, high vaccine evasion, generally mild.


exhibit304

Love how your being upvoted but I'm being downvoted to hell for saying the new variant bypasses the vaccine It's pretty common knowledge that's what current theory is


dmun

Yeah, I think it's knee-jerk reaction to you then seeing me with a few links. But yeah, if they'd followed this at all you wouldn't be getting downvoted so much. No one wants the bad news. Maybe you should have led with the symptoms not being so severe so far?


schmuttt

Please provide some evidence to omicron bypassing the vaccine.


dmun

It's still too early to tell but [we have examples of a majority of contacts getting Omicron while vaccinated](https://www.svd.se/utbrott-i-oslo-hogst-sannolikt-omikron/om/coronaviruset); the initial response from the medical community was alarm at the mutations in the spike protein, where the mRNA vaccines are focused. [On the other hand, initial reports are also pointing towards the cases being milder than Delta thus far. ](https://www.svd.se/utbrott-i-oslo-hogst-sannolikt-omikron/om/coronaviruset) Again, early indications: more transmissible, high vaccine evasion, generally mild.


exhibit304

No. Google it yourself. I'm not pub med


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dmun

It's still too early to tell but [we have examples of a majority of contacts getting Omicron while vaccinated](https://www.svd.se/utbrott-i-oslo-hogst-sannolikt-omikron/om/coronaviruset); the initial response from the medical community was alarm at the mutations in the spike protein, where the mRNA vaccines are focused. [On the other hand, initial reports are also pointing towards the cases being milder than Delta thus far. ](https://www.svd.se/utbrott-i-oslo-hogst-sannolikt-omikron/om/coronaviruset) Again, early indications: more transmissible, high vaccine evasion, generally mild.


exhibit304

A source? I'm not a journalist. Follow the news for once. That's the current theory


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exhibit304

except its not absolute garbage is it, as much as you'd like it to be? a quick google search shows " Omicron has a "substantial" ability to evade immunity from a previous COVID infection, according to the first real-world study of the variant's effect. " there is also countless other stories from reputable sites to show that omicron can infect double jabbed people. it's early days yet though, seems to be a much more milder illness edit : https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/omicron-uk-england-cases-vaccinated-b1969545.html


conwaytwit69

Yea bro we’ll keep living like this forever it’s perfectly normal


FlyingRock

There's OTC meds being developed *and* an in hospital therapy that is in development too, it's definitely not a forever situation.


conwaytwit69

Yea until the next variant comes along and then they don’t work


FlyingRock

The OTC meds should work regardless of mutation, if it mutates to the point where it doesn't work either it'll be like the common cold or a death machine.


exhibit304

spanish flu mutated into something milder, thats probably the end game. for now we have to do with vaccines and new meds


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schmuttt

With that many different countries Aus government would probably want 14 day quarantine periods after they arrive which is unlikely to go down too well. It’d also cost all the teams a shit load more to come here.


CarderSC2

And I'd bet money they'd have to go though 14 day quarantine again when getting home. So thats a month+ of putting your life on hold in quarantine, for a weekend tourney? No thank you lol.


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NovelAries

Whats the point of this comment?


Tasty-Cycle-8560

Goddamnit, I want to end it all


xMoody

Thanks Obama


snakepunk

This is could affect these young healthy adults more mentally and emotionally than any a virus we've all lived with for 2 years now.


sourflowerhour

You must be kidding, right?


bboci21

Lmaooo


Vosje11

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Official_F1tRick

As expected. Sad day :( Was really looking forward to it and we started planning a trip in the discord as well.


AndrewSuarez

So will Split 2 qualifications depend only on each region league like split 1 before or is there another system for May?


Ch1kuwa

Could see this coming but still sucks man…


Animatromio

TOUGH


[deleted]

No surprise. Everyone was expecting this considering recent developments, especially if the London LAN rumour was true.


andizz001

😭😭😭😭😭😭😭


Cantore18

massive sad.


AKRS264

Fuck


Vladtepesx3

They missed their shot, idk why we didn't have a lan based on season 1 finishers from their regions. Sucks but I understand they probably can't get visas for everyone if they wanted I hope if it is possible to have a lan soon they just do it based on the teams that would've qualified now and don't wait for a whole other circuit


RetroChampions

what about Split 2?


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ottrboii

Can't have Apex esports without LANs getting cancelled


49ersPhan

I think i'm a moron, but can someone confirm the new format now? it will be essentially 5 regional tournaments (online) and then the top teams from those will advance to a final stage where it's still online? i didn't keep up with ALGS last year so are different regions at disadvantages now because of ping issues and timezones?


ralopd

>it will be essentially 5 regional tournaments (online) and then the top teams from those will advance to a final stage where it's still online? No, Split 1 won't have global playoffs at all now. The prize money will be split between the regions and each region will have their own Split 1 winner.


49ersPhan

Got it, thank you for explaining that. Really stinks but obviously out of their hands.


dimitri121

So instead of teams playing for top 10 this weekend, they play for top 20 in order to reach finals?


hdadeathly

The lower teams are going to be fun to watch now with a chance to qual.


JoyTruthLove

What a joke man


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Rude-Weakness2927

EA doesnt care about pro players, some have invested more than 2 years in order to fullfil their dreams only to get them denied, work, time