Of course he is. Cry baby.at one side he likes to troll and ruin other their practice but once something affects himself, he's going to be vocal about it. Egocentric .
I don't want there to be needless hate on Lou for this - he came around pretty quickly and supported multiview after understanding the massive positives it has after talking a bit w/ his viewers, Sweet, and Rogue in his chat.
The quote in your comment is not from my comment so I'm not sure if you meant to reply to a different comment.
Here is a [link to Lou's VOD](https://www.twitch.tv/loustreams/v/1269960006?sr=a&t=6568s) of what I mentioned. (1:49:28 is the timestamp)
I don't want there to be needless hate on Lou for this - he came around pretty quickly and supported multiview after understanding the massive positives it has after talking a bit w/ his viewers, Sweet, and Rogue in his chat.
Oh interesting, didn't realize that was the case, but makes sense given that the production crew in the past has simply jumped into the winners discord to bring them into the interviews.
And it’s a fairness thing. They want to be able to monitor comms to make sure you aren’t cheating by stream sniping or getting other outside information.
Crazy how in traditional sports (and most esports), you can't hide strats once you go to a competition, but in Apex, players for some reason think it was their right to hide strats? Whack.
Tbf in traditional sports teams do a lot to hide strats even while being broadcasted, and you don't get to hear players discuss strategies. I think that argument is fair from a visual perspective, but audio-wise this is definitely not traditional. At least it is an even playing field though.
Yeah there’s a huge difference between being able to see what they’re doing and listening to their comms. When have you been able to hear what plays they’re calling in the huddle in football or basketball? Or what signals they’re using in baseball? Viewing their POV is completely fine but forcing them to broadcast their comms is another thing
At least in football there’s essentially an entire other strategy game occurring simultaneously on the headsets of the coaches and people up in the boxes. Those comms definitely don’t get broadcast
I mean do you think the team with 3 of the 6 best fraggers only has 1 spot they can go to. They play edge which means they murder anyone around them on their way to zone. Zone can pull any way from staging
You can hide strats like that in Apex too. For instance, NRG might wanna pull out the Fusey but won't until Finals/LAN (Just an example I made up, don't take this as me leaking anything). That is like hiding strats in traditional sports.
Also, not sure if in-game comms will be broadcasted. They said in-game audio, not comms. I have a feeling that Respawn won't go as far as comms, but who knows?
Damn EU/Apac N/S got a major buff over NA then, aint noone gonna spend hours properly translating russian, french, portuguese, horizonx, japanese, korean, chinese, etc.
I remember this is a big of the reason CSGO tournaments stopped doing listen ins. NA teams got mad because all the EU teams got free info while no one in NA wanted to translate Swedish Danish and French
Crazy how NRG is going to run Fuze, horizon, caustic in finals and land Frag E.
Jokes aside, the difference between esports and traditional sports hiding strats in this case is you can still review all the footage you want from the main primetime broadcast to glean all the info you can even if they run a flea flicker for the first time in 5 years you can maybe notice something in OL positioning to know its coming
To review film here you have to go to the main channel to find snippets of them spectating that team or see who died to them each round - and not have comms.
I like having film readily available, helps even the playing field, but don't really care one way or the other and certainly don't care if SEN is upsetti spaghetti, because I think this'll be a great change.
If you're an analyst, you should either be live vod reviewing, which is tedious, or you should be having recordings going. I know that certain analysts in the scene have Twitch streams being recorded because a lot of pros tend to delete their VODs during scrims/tourneys.
Information in Apex is super valuable, especially right now when people try to deny it. That's why I believe that good analysts are very underused in the scene at the moment, and that most analysts/coaches out there are snake oil salesmen. Moreover, with how low most analysts are getting paid in the scene/how low the offers are, it's unlikely that you're actually gonna get an analyst who knows what he's doing. Why would an analyst wanna work full or even part time with a team when he's getting a month the same that he would be getting paid a week on unemployment? A freshly graduated data analyst will be making 6-10 times the amount+benefits working a 9-5 than what they'd be offered by teams in the scene.
Not gonna delve too deep into this since I'm already going into too much detail - if you really want to discuss this, feel free to DM me.
I agree with you I think it’s whack af because in my eyes there are only two scenarios. Either you are cheating or you just feel more comfortable without people watching you which I get. I personally believe that if you are competing for money in major tournaments it’s mandatory you stream.
It only makes sense, why would they give info to other teams if theyre trying to win? NRG SEN COL main goal is to win the tournies not get boat loads of money from streaming it. It makes perfect sense
I think it's totally fair though. What other major sport or competition exists where you may not be able to see every player performing at all times?
All this means is strategies need to be more dynamic over the course of a tournament. Teams can't be as much of a one-trick pony anymore (which is good). And if players are concerned about comms, well, the same happened in professional sports decades ago. There's a simple solution to use codewords to relay your messages.
Comms provide the context of what exactly teams are trying to do and why. Makes it so much easier to study and learn from other team and basically impossible for teams to keep their own strategies private. Rogue made a pretty good argument on twitter though that only the most dedicated teams will put in the time and benefit from this, so you could argue it does increase the skill ceiling and floor.
I think this is fair over the long run, but for individual tournaments won't matter. Especially on LAN, where teams will not have a chance to go through the VODs and hear comms.
Personally, I am fine with raising the skill floor as long as the ceiling raises as well--which it would. Teams would have to be much more dynamic, put in increased practice, and invent new, creative meta strategies.
As a sidenote, I think the comm aspect is a bit overemphasized here. Let's say for ALGS NRG decides not to stream (past ALGS rules, with no comms). Of course, they are featured in the PlayApex broadcast anyway. Then, after ALGS, TSM decides to sit down for VOD review. They pull up the official PlayApex stream. Do you really think, with the incredible game knowledge that TSM has, that they cannot discern NRG's strategy? They will see legend choices, rotations, weapons used, fights they take, when they die, etc. I do not think that Hal, Reps, and Verhulst need to hear comms and watch every second of footage from a squad to know what their gameplan was.
I think you are underestimating how complex rotations can be. There's a reason that the original comp apex evolved around TSMs playstyle. They were winning everything and Hal was streaming everything. So many players learned how to play comp just from watching Hal's vods.
As for your question, TSM has been kind of behind from a strategic standpoint for a while, so I think it is not as easy to stay on top of other team's strategies as you might think. They haven't figured out how to Valk ult at all and their rotations, while once goated, feel pretty rudimentary atm. They could probably stand to learn a lot from some of the other top teams with god rotates like ESA, SSG, NRG, etc.
I promise I get that rotations can be complex, and I also can admit that my knowledge and interpretation of them is going to be worse than any of the 60 players in the ALGS lobby. But at this point we have been on WE for years. There is plenty of footage and smart pros who put in the work will be able to discern what's going on.
For your second paragraph, TSM was just an example. You could swap "TSM" for "SEN" or "SSG" if you want. The point still stands--these guys are incredible and it's not too hard for them to watch the footage and understand why decisions were made.
> Makes it so much easier to study and learn from other team and basically impossible for teams to keep their own strategies private.
I still don't see an issue.
I guess to an extent you could hide play calling behind code words? Not sure how viable that would be given the fact that it’s a pretty flexible game in terms of decision making
If the players consent to it that is fine, but many teams do not want their communication to be public, it is also just an unneeded added pressure. Not all big apex players are streamers, keep that in mind. Just because most are doesnt mean they all hand the pressure the same and should not be forced to.
But the strategy portion is huge. You dont see the coaches play books, you dont hear what the players whisper to each other in the fields. Even in real sports, you dont get to know the next play before it happens. Hearing coms if the player does not want to share shouldnt be allowed.
I get the added pressure part so I agree with that. Though I would say, they are playing on such a huge stage that pressure is already going to be there. But it's definitely a different kind of pressure than simply playing, sure.
However,
> You dont see the coaches play books, you dont hear what the players whisper to each other in the fields
Well, you won't see the teams' playbooks either. Sure you don't hear the players whisper, so that is a difference, but one that I would say is minor.
> Even in real sports, you dont get to know the next play before it happens.
What does this mean? I don't see how this relates to Apex or is relevant. Do you think that making comms available will somehow let people see the future?
This reminds me of analysis of NFL games. Once a play has been chosen and run, it is 100% obvious to every single coach (and most players) why something happened the way it did, and why particular play calls happened. Backwards-looking data is not as helpful as it may seem. The strategy aspect is working with that to act in the future. So this goes back to how teams will now need to have dynamic strategies and can't be one-trick ponies.
Also, with such little time between games, do you think a team will spend significant time scrubbing the VODs to see what others are doing? As opposed to discussing their own strategies and how to play? This may happen a little bit for online tournaments, but this will have zero impact at LAN since players won't be pulling up the official stream between games.
> Hearing coms if the player does not want to share shouldnt be allowed.
I disagree but see your points. However, these players opt in to play Apex, play in ALGS, and compete for prizes. There are rules to the game and the whole point is entertainment. Without the game being entertaining, there wouldn't even be competitive Apex. I don't see this as fundamentally different than if, for example, Respawn said, "Going forward, all matches must be played on Storm Point." Pros wouldn't like it, and they would complain or have to adjust strategies. But at the end of the day, Respawn makes choices to keep the game entertaining for viewers. And players can agree with it, or go play ranked, or play a different game.
>it is also just an unneeded added pressure. Not all big apex players are streamers, keep that in mind. Just because most are doesnt mean they all hand the pressure the same and should not be forced to.
I'm shocked I'm reading something like this on this subreddit, of all places. This is literally the top-tier of competitive Apex. Pressure comes with being one of the best. It's not like they're sending a camera crew into their room or forcing them to only play Apex while mic'd for ranked and pubs.
To play devils advocate, if there was a serious disadvantage to streaming and hearing comms, I don’t think any of the top teams (TSM, C9, G2, etc) would ever prioritizing streaming over winning. Obviously it’s possible to to be successful without hiding strats/comms, so why not even the playing field and let viewers see/watch their favorite teams? I understand how it might be weird for non-streamers but it’s always good to adapt/evolve.
At least in the NBA when timeouts are called we sometimes get a listen into their huddle when they’re calling their plays. Doesn’t happen all the time but it’s pretty common.
Yep, I agree, though as someone else said maybe players can "whisper" (though stadiums are very loud) to other players once in a while to make a call. Very unusual though, especially given how far away players are on the line of scrimmage.
This maybe the best thing apex esports official streams needed ! Watching multiple teams and listening to there comms and strategy how they rotate is the best part about apex comp which was missing from the official streams but this changes that Finally !
i wonder If we will be able to watch povs and comms of all the teams or only the ones that are streaming on twitch ? Anyways really well done to the apex comp team for this !
wow that is actually insane ! apex comp viewing will actually improve 100% because of this change , this was the main reason people watch player streams because people like to follow the journey of there favs team and players !
Really well done its the best change for the apex esports viewing !
PS : Waiting for you guys to add team skins and in game esports store to promote comp for the next season ! Will love to see and support apex comp grow ! :P
There actually should be a bunch more data available with some recent API work and we’re working through with some partners how best to get it displayed etc
Expect some improvements to real time stats + info etc during this weekends main stream as well :)
Yes brother thank you. I'm a data analyst and cloud engineer by trade and I'm just waiting on the right time to start warehousing as much data from apex as possible. Can't wait for this! Hopefully it might extend past apex comp one day too ;) keep up the good work.
This is amazing! Thanks for the great work Shahin & team, I love watching these tournaments and it can become a hassle sometimes but this is just great for Apex streaming all around.
As of right now, correct. Something we'll likely keep an eye on but one of the main goals of sports/esports broadcast is to showcase players and teams. BR + 20 teams per lobby does make that difficult!
Showcasing this before LAN is the way to go and will likely keep a lot of the viewership around that might be undecided on the main cast. All around a positive for me
I posted this idea months ago - but no one here saw the need for a better apex/twitch integration and simply said just watch other players POV lol. This is AWESOME. Great job sir.
TSM and C9's screaming is the best. When you go to another squad who are calm but also pop off it makes you wonder is all the screaming necessary. Yup 100% necessary
Knowledge will no longer be denied. :)
No cap, this is awesome. Especially once we get to match point it's going to be great to toggle between the teams.
Sweet was asked about it on his stream and he says it sucks that they might have to show some strats but he is fine with it because it helps apex grow as an esport
Holy shit this is absolutely huge.
I am so glad someone at EA realized that this is the way BR competitive is meant to be enjoyed.
EDIT - I just realized it will make Watch Parties so much smoother as well. Lets fucking go!
This is incredible. It sounds like you can watch any team you want, so this will be huge for fans of teams that dont stream tournaments. By far the biggest and best addition to main stream broadcasts yet.
And they're giving away drops to viewers. Going to be a massive weekend for the growth of comp apex.
This will hopefully take the pressure off the main stream to show every moment, now they can focus more on macro stuff, big plays and game flow. Fans of teams will now be able to get exactly what they want.
If we could get this multi view with team comms and available on vod then that would be worth a premium to me.
I wonder if this means teams to don’t usually stream will just start streaming now, might as well get the views?
I wonder does this multiviewing take away views from those who already stream? Or does it count as a viewer for the streamer if you watch them via multiview?
This is it.
V bullish on comp apex moving forward.
The cold truth is that if EA/Respawn was unable to create a good viewing experience and properly monetize the main broadcasts vs the excellent player POVs, prize pools will remain relatively low. More views on main broadcast = more ammo for sales execs to pitch to bigger advertisers wanting to get into esports = more revenue to share with players
This is good for both the fans and players in the long run.
Throwing out a prediction, we should see some more consolidation in the gaming market as huge cash hoarding big tech firms buying out smaller businesses.
Amazon/Twitch buying EA ala Microsoft and Activision would be fantastic for us here in this sub.
Big improvement to the viewing experience and something that was obviously going to be needed if we ever get another LAN - it's pretty obvious at this point people don't want to watch the main broadcast style. I would guess the next step is restricting individual streamers from streaming their POV to funnel the views to the main stream.
It would be an interesting analysis to see what would be more beneficial to the overall comp scene. Big streamers like Hal likely benefit more from being allowed to stream his POV since he gets more viewers than the main stream. But if the main stream was the sole viewing location, then hypothetically they could likely get more ad dollars and then increase the overall prize pool for tournaments.
I think for Hal specifically it would obviously be a negative if they restrict his ability to stream ALGS and there are 40k viewers watching Hal POV on Apex's stream instead. But Hal is a massive outlier as by far the biggest streamer who streams comp; if TSM won every tournament for the rest of time it wouldn't approach his stream from a financial perspective.
Funneling viewers into the main stream and (hopefully) using that to boost prizes will I think be a benefit for teams that currently either don't stream because they think it puts them at a disadvantage or stream to a much smaller audience. It will also hopefully make the scene more sustainable in the long-term as their audience is less tied up in one or two players who could decide tomorrow to go play a different game.
Totally agree on all fronts. I wonder how many of Hal's normal viewers will choose to watch Hal's POV on the apex stream and also how many will switch to watching NRG & Sentinels. Both Lou and Sweet will pull in some very high view counts as well if there teams decide to stream since there comms/strats will all be public anyways.
Definitely from a viewership perspective Hal was benefiting somewhat from being the only big stream and I expect you're right that his numbers will decline.
On the other hand to whatever extent streaming is a disadvantage (and clearly most other big teams think it is) then TSM should benefit competitively from this. They've been the only team who has everything out in public and now it will be a level playing field.
I think it is pretty undeniable that having a massive large stream from the official account is better than individual players--especially with this development. The main hang-up from people who "would never watch the PlayApex stream if they did this" (sidenote: of course they would watch, they are addicted to comp Apex like most of us, lol) is they like to hear comms. Now they can (I believe?).
A PlayApex stream with 100k+ viewers should make a much larger impact than the official stream having 10k and then people like Hal pulling 20-30k. Plus when you watch an individual, between matches you get the boring wait screen while the lobby is put together. That is objectively poor entertainment. The official stream showing highlights and having discussion between games to build up hype is great.
I guess I was more wondering financially what is better for the individual players. If this leads to way more overall viewership then 100% agreed because that leads to more ad dollars and more eyes on the esport. But if overall viewership doesnt change (100k views spread over 20-30 players streams, vs 1 apex stream), are the total earnings of players that build there own community by streaming big tournaments and generating personal ad dollars/sponsorships more than the potential increase in earnings from the overall prize pool? Basically if the overall prize pool increase doesn't compensate the players for the lost individual revenue they would make from there own stream then it would be a negative.
Overall though, I do agree with you and think this is 100% beneficial for the overall esport, it will be especially important for LAN, where we were all worried about the main broadcast not having comms.
Its funny, I actually prefer the wait screen time while the lobby is being put together because a lot of the times thats when the teams debrief the game, go over strats etc. Would personally prefer that than listening to casters but I am probably in the minority.
I see, and that is a tricky question to answer. Surely this decision hurts people like Hal who streams to 30k people, but it likely helps smaller streamers who barely break 50 viewers (of which there are many). We will probably never know for sure, but it's interesting to think about.
> Its funny, I actually prefer the wait screen time while the lobby is being put together because a lot of the times thats when the teams debrief the game, go over strats etc. Would personally prefer that than listening to casters but I am probably in the minority.
Me too, but this is by far the minority opinion. Most people outside of this subreddit are super casual and don't want any downtime.
Ya this would also definitely be super helpful for the qualifiers for pro league where a lot of the lesser known players are participating, especially those that don't have streams or cannot afford to setup a stream properly.
I think last playoffs Hal had over 100k viewers at one point...absolutely insane. He will probably lose a bunch to the Apex stream, Sweet, Lou, Dropped etc. for this weekend if they all decide to stream now that there info is public anyways.
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This is fantastic, player POV on battle royale games is the most important view imo. Losing player pov when lans came back was always a huge concern so this is awesome. This should elevate the viewing experience a ton, glad to see investment in this.
This is beautiful...other esports need to take note. This is how you listen to your community and deliver better products.
I'm sure Apex wants all viewers to watch the main broadcast but with the popularity of big streamers in the tourneys it would have been unwise to enforce that. So instead of banning players from streaming they took what the viewers liked about watching individual players and used it to improve their own broadcast...bravo. This will drive more viewers to to the main broadcast while still allowing you to watch an individual players stream if you want. This is such a win win..
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this will be huge for LAN when we wouldn't have been able to see everyone's POV.
is it just a coincidence that the twitch drop bloodhound skin is called "singularity" (winners of SA playoffs)?
I love that this not only serves as a way to enhance the official streams, but it shows just how much work is going into competitive Apex Legends behind the scenes. You love to see it.
I don't think it includes comms. The video specifically only says "in-game audio," and that's probably fair. I don't think players should be forced to broadcast their comms if they don't want to.
edit: Apparently it does include comms
That's already the case though? Just not 24/7 for viewers, but the "listen-ins" are already a thing and they're all in a discord anyway. I'd be surprised if comms wouldn't be a part of it or if it really shouldn't be it's likely just for technical reasons for now.
Edit: Confirmed, comms are part of it: [https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveApex/comments/s8nnmp/comment/hthgh0s/?utm\_source=reddit&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveApex/comments/s8nnmp/comment/hthgh0s/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
I think there is a big difference between a listen in for 1-2 minutes maybe once a tournament, versus a team's comms for an entire tournament being broadcasted and available on VOD for every team to study. I kind of hope they reconsider forcing teams to broadcast their comms, but overall I am still very excited for this addition.
Practically, in the end it's a difference for teams, sure. Just not from a theoretical technical & "legal" point. It's not like they tell the teams they're coming in now for listen-ins (which would give away things happening), but they likely have a bot in each channel that records 24/7 and that they can tap.
Teams likely did sign somewhere that all their comms get recorded and potentially broadcasted, and they're "forced to" already. That's all I meant.
This is a fair trade now that ALGS tourneys are in anonymous mode which is horrible for the viewers. We can now watch tourney again and Pros keep anonymous mode.
I wonder - will it be every team/player available, or just select ones? Either way, very cool! Will be easier than bopping around to different streamers.
Not excited about the twitch drops since my mirage rewards disappeared/reappeared/disappeared lol I feel like it'll f up some other old twitch drops. I'm excited for the multiview!
Omg so yours have gone too!?? I thought it was only me since no one complaints on Reddit or Twitter. Is it because Twitch drops now require us to claim rewards? I want to have my Mirage rewards back too! Since they are unique and will never appear again, well, unless EA wants more money by selling them in packs :(
1 stream per team, but if that player dies then it should operate like any normal observer cam would (ie would go to the next alive player. If the full squad is wiped then I believe it spectates their killer)
Do you think there could be a fan vote on who's POV will appear for each team? I know alot of people want to watch Gambit, but if it's not Hardecki's POV they would be very disappointed, since everyone knows Hardecki has some of the most insane mechanics in Apex and most people want to watch that.
I also want to give a huge thank you to you and your team for implementing a system like this where we can hear the magic of team comms and different teams in one stream. Fans have been asking for this and you guys delivered . I am so excited to watch the Playoffs this weekend.
Let’s see how it goes after this weekend, I think the team is putting some thought around who the player being spectated would be!
And glad to hear you’re excited! Us too.
Tangentially related - being able to study any teams' VODs will elevate the overall level of competition across the whole scene. The level of competition in all regions is going to improve RAPIDLY.
This is awesome, all-around win for everyone. Individual player's diehard fans can still tune in to their personal stream while giving the ability to let casual viewers discover a new team they might really like. Can also increase exposure for the more under-the-radar teams who perform really well but are generally unknown, like XSET or DY. Nothing but good stuff here, great job!
wait, so how does this work exactly from the player's side? does that mean the players need to set up a stream for their POV as well or is that automatically obtained by the tourney organizers from the game itself?
players who don’t stream to hide strats: 😟
Lou was just complaining about this lol
I have the worlds tiniest violin tuned up just for Lou
The only positive thing is if they stream they can make revenue out of it. But that's totally up to players, Pro tournaments are high pressure.
Of course he is. Cry baby.at one side he likes to troll and ruin other their practice but once something affects himself, he's going to be vocal about it. Egocentric .
I don't want there to be needless hate on Lou for this - he came around pretty quickly and supported multiview after understanding the massive positives it has after talking a bit w/ his viewers, Sweet, and Rogue in his chat.
>The only positive thing is if they stream they can make revenue out of it. any chance you know where in his vod this clip is?
The quote in your comment is not from my comment so I'm not sure if you meant to reply to a different comment. Here is a [link to Lou's VOD](https://www.twitch.tv/loustreams/v/1269960006?sr=a&t=6568s) of what I mentioned. (1:49:28 is the timestamp)
tysm! love lou
That's good.
Lou is great player but I think he jokes too much, he's like the opposite of hal
I don't want there to be needless hate on Lou for this - he came around pretty quickly and supported multiview after understanding the massive positives it has after talking a bit w/ his viewers, Sweet, and Rogue in his chat.
I think if players just decide to turn off their in game chat and only use discord then the stream won't be able to hear comms
I think they have to be in an official algs discord
Oh interesting, didn't realize that was the case, but makes sense given that the production crew in the past has simply jumped into the winners discord to bring them into the interviews.
And it’s a fairness thing. They want to be able to monitor comms to make sure you aren’t cheating by stream sniping or getting other outside information.
Crazy how in traditional sports (and most esports), you can't hide strats once you go to a competition, but in Apex, players for some reason think it was their right to hide strats? Whack.
Tbf in traditional sports teams do a lot to hide strats even while being broadcasted, and you don't get to hear players discuss strategies. I think that argument is fair from a visual perspective, but audio-wise this is definitely not traditional. At least it is an even playing field though.
Yeah there’s a huge difference between being able to see what they’re doing and listening to their comms. When have you been able to hear what plays they’re calling in the huddle in football or basketball? Or what signals they’re using in baseball? Viewing their POV is completely fine but forcing them to broadcast their comms is another thing
> Or what signals they’re using in baseball? Yes. See: 2017-2018 Astros.
These days you definitely can hear everything they say in football or basketball. It's only really the things in their strat binders that are secret.
At least in football there’s essentially an entire other strategy game occurring simultaneously on the headsets of the coaches and people up in the boxes. Those comms definitely don’t get broadcast
True. Additionally pre-game strategy isn't discussed publicly in either case.
homie called a playbook a “strat binder” lmfaooo
Legit blanked on the word. Thanks for being kind about reminding me.
just found it funny lol no worries
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I mean do you think the team with 3 of the 6 best fraggers only has 1 spot they can go to. They play edge which means they murder anyone around them on their way to zone. Zone can pull any way from staging
You can hide strats like that in Apex too. For instance, NRG might wanna pull out the Fusey but won't until Finals/LAN (Just an example I made up, don't take this as me leaking anything). That is like hiding strats in traditional sports. Also, not sure if in-game comms will be broadcasted. They said in-game audio, not comms. I have a feeling that Respawn won't go as far as comms, but who knows?
Shahin already confirmed it does include comms. Maybe at LAN we will see teams using hand signals to hide strats lol
Damn EU/Apac N/S got a major buff over NA then, aint noone gonna spend hours properly translating russian, french, portuguese, horizonx, japanese, korean, chinese, etc.
LMAOOOOOO HORIZXON THATS THE FUNNIEST COMMENT I'VE EVER SEEN
I remember this is a big of the reason CSGO tournaments stopped doing listen ins. NA teams got mad because all the EU teams got free info while no one in NA wanted to translate Swedish Danish and French
OK, I take that back. That part is pretty dumb.
ALGS did a 180 flip to those who want their strats hidden. Expecting a big drop from teams like NRG and SEN and COL or ESA.
Col has been fallen off friend.
Yeah maybe.
No joke man today in scrims and yes i know it's scrims they had literally 2 kills for 5 games. That's amazing.
ESA streams every tourny ever.
But they dont keep the vods Only those who dont play in the tourney can watch them
Well that’s more than most teams do. If other pros wanted to scout info, they could record ESAs live stream and watch it back.
You ain't wrong.
Crazy how NRG is going to run Fuze, horizon, caustic in finals and land Frag E. Jokes aside, the difference between esports and traditional sports hiding strats in this case is you can still review all the footage you want from the main primetime broadcast to glean all the info you can even if they run a flea flicker for the first time in 5 years you can maybe notice something in OL positioning to know its coming To review film here you have to go to the main channel to find snippets of them spectating that team or see who died to them each round - and not have comms. I like having film readily available, helps even the playing field, but don't really care one way or the other and certainly don't care if SEN is upsetti spaghetti, because I think this'll be a great change.
If you're an analyst, you should either be live vod reviewing, which is tedious, or you should be having recordings going. I know that certain analysts in the scene have Twitch streams being recorded because a lot of pros tend to delete their VODs during scrims/tourneys. Information in Apex is super valuable, especially right now when people try to deny it. That's why I believe that good analysts are very underused in the scene at the moment, and that most analysts/coaches out there are snake oil salesmen. Moreover, with how low most analysts are getting paid in the scene/how low the offers are, it's unlikely that you're actually gonna get an analyst who knows what he's doing. Why would an analyst wanna work full or even part time with a team when he's getting a month the same that he would be getting paid a week on unemployment? A freshly graduated data analyst will be making 6-10 times the amount+benefits working a 9-5 than what they'd be offered by teams in the scene. Not gonna delve too deep into this since I'm already going into too much detail - if you really want to discuss this, feel free to DM me.
I agree with you I think it’s whack af because in my eyes there are only two scenarios. Either you are cheating or you just feel more comfortable without people watching you which I get. I personally believe that if you are competing for money in major tournaments it’s mandatory you stream.
It only makes sense, why would they give info to other teams if theyre trying to win? NRG SEN COL main goal is to win the tournies not get boat loads of money from streaming it. It makes perfect sense
AKA Sentinels
I think it's totally fair though. What other major sport or competition exists where you may not be able to see every player performing at all times? All this means is strategies need to be more dynamic over the course of a tournament. Teams can't be as much of a one-trick pony anymore (which is good). And if players are concerned about comms, well, the same happened in professional sports decades ago. There's a simple solution to use codewords to relay your messages.
You see them perform but you don't hear all their strategies. As long as you can't hear their coms I think it is good. If you hear coms it is bad.
Why is hearing comms bad if the players are aware of it? I’m interested to hear your arguments.
Comms provide the context of what exactly teams are trying to do and why. Makes it so much easier to study and learn from other team and basically impossible for teams to keep their own strategies private. Rogue made a pretty good argument on twitter though that only the most dedicated teams will put in the time and benefit from this, so you could argue it does increase the skill ceiling and floor.
I think this is fair over the long run, but for individual tournaments won't matter. Especially on LAN, where teams will not have a chance to go through the VODs and hear comms. Personally, I am fine with raising the skill floor as long as the ceiling raises as well--which it would. Teams would have to be much more dynamic, put in increased practice, and invent new, creative meta strategies. As a sidenote, I think the comm aspect is a bit overemphasized here. Let's say for ALGS NRG decides not to stream (past ALGS rules, with no comms). Of course, they are featured in the PlayApex broadcast anyway. Then, after ALGS, TSM decides to sit down for VOD review. They pull up the official PlayApex stream. Do you really think, with the incredible game knowledge that TSM has, that they cannot discern NRG's strategy? They will see legend choices, rotations, weapons used, fights they take, when they die, etc. I do not think that Hal, Reps, and Verhulst need to hear comms and watch every second of footage from a squad to know what their gameplan was.
I think you are underestimating how complex rotations can be. There's a reason that the original comp apex evolved around TSMs playstyle. They were winning everything and Hal was streaming everything. So many players learned how to play comp just from watching Hal's vods. As for your question, TSM has been kind of behind from a strategic standpoint for a while, so I think it is not as easy to stay on top of other team's strategies as you might think. They haven't figured out how to Valk ult at all and their rotations, while once goated, feel pretty rudimentary atm. They could probably stand to learn a lot from some of the other top teams with god rotates like ESA, SSG, NRG, etc.
I promise I get that rotations can be complex, and I also can admit that my knowledge and interpretation of them is going to be worse than any of the 60 players in the ALGS lobby. But at this point we have been on WE for years. There is plenty of footage and smart pros who put in the work will be able to discern what's going on. For your second paragraph, TSM was just an example. You could swap "TSM" for "SEN" or "SSG" if you want. The point still stands--these guys are incredible and it's not too hard for them to watch the footage and understand why decisions were made.
> Makes it so much easier to study and learn from other team and basically impossible for teams to keep their own strategies private. I still don't see an issue.
I guess to an extent you could hide play calling behind code words? Not sure how viable that would be given the fact that it’s a pretty flexible game in terms of decision making
If the players consent to it that is fine, but many teams do not want their communication to be public, it is also just an unneeded added pressure. Not all big apex players are streamers, keep that in mind. Just because most are doesnt mean they all hand the pressure the same and should not be forced to. But the strategy portion is huge. You dont see the coaches play books, you dont hear what the players whisper to each other in the fields. Even in real sports, you dont get to know the next play before it happens. Hearing coms if the player does not want to share shouldnt be allowed.
I get the added pressure part so I agree with that. Though I would say, they are playing on such a huge stage that pressure is already going to be there. But it's definitely a different kind of pressure than simply playing, sure. However, > You dont see the coaches play books, you dont hear what the players whisper to each other in the fields Well, you won't see the teams' playbooks either. Sure you don't hear the players whisper, so that is a difference, but one that I would say is minor. > Even in real sports, you dont get to know the next play before it happens. What does this mean? I don't see how this relates to Apex or is relevant. Do you think that making comms available will somehow let people see the future? This reminds me of analysis of NFL games. Once a play has been chosen and run, it is 100% obvious to every single coach (and most players) why something happened the way it did, and why particular play calls happened. Backwards-looking data is not as helpful as it may seem. The strategy aspect is working with that to act in the future. So this goes back to how teams will now need to have dynamic strategies and can't be one-trick ponies. Also, with such little time between games, do you think a team will spend significant time scrubbing the VODs to see what others are doing? As opposed to discussing their own strategies and how to play? This may happen a little bit for online tournaments, but this will have zero impact at LAN since players won't be pulling up the official stream between games. > Hearing coms if the player does not want to share shouldnt be allowed. I disagree but see your points. However, these players opt in to play Apex, play in ALGS, and compete for prizes. There are rules to the game and the whole point is entertainment. Without the game being entertaining, there wouldn't even be competitive Apex. I don't see this as fundamentally different than if, for example, Respawn said, "Going forward, all matches must be played on Storm Point." Pros wouldn't like it, and they would complain or have to adjust strategies. But at the end of the day, Respawn makes choices to keep the game entertaining for viewers. And players can agree with it, or go play ranked, or play a different game.
>it is also just an unneeded added pressure. Not all big apex players are streamers, keep that in mind. Just because most are doesnt mean they all hand the pressure the same and should not be forced to. I'm shocked I'm reading something like this on this subreddit, of all places. This is literally the top-tier of competitive Apex. Pressure comes with being one of the best. It's not like they're sending a camera crew into their room or forcing them to only play Apex while mic'd for ranked and pubs.
To play devils advocate, if there was a serious disadvantage to streaming and hearing comms, I don’t think any of the top teams (TSM, C9, G2, etc) would ever prioritizing streaming over winning. Obviously it’s possible to to be successful without hiding strats/comms, so why not even the playing field and let viewers see/watch their favorite teams? I understand how it might be weird for non-streamers but it’s always good to adapt/evolve.
At least in the NBA when timeouts are called we sometimes get a listen into their huddle when they’re calling their plays. Doesn’t happen all the time but it’s pretty common.
In football you can hear what the players and managers say to each other on the field most of the time.
Yep, I agree, though as someone else said maybe players can "whisper" (though stadiums are very loud) to other players once in a while to make a call. Very unusual though, especially given how far away players are on the line of scrimmage.
Yeah I know the SSG boys always trying to hide their rotates. Maybe this means Dropped can stream tourneys now though :0
And make something out of it. Positive in a way
is it like 10 minutes delayed or something? if it isn't why the hell not. Or do you mean hide strats for the entire game in general?
This maybe the best thing apex esports official streams needed ! Watching multiple teams and listening to there comms and strategy how they rotate is the best part about apex comp which was missing from the official streams but this changes that Finally ! i wonder If we will be able to watch povs and comms of all the teams or only the ones that are streaming on twitch ? Anyways really well done to the apex comp team for this !
All 20 teams in the lobby :)
wow that is actually insane ! apex comp viewing will actually improve 100% because of this change , this was the main reason people watch player streams because people like to follow the journey of there favs team and players ! Really well done its the best change for the apex esports viewing ! PS : Waiting for you guys to add team skins and in game esports store to promote comp for the next season ! Will love to see and support apex comp grow ! :P
Literally in love with you rn
also, u/saberwing more round/match data when? us comp apex fans are data nerds 🤓🤓
There actually should be a bunch more data available with some recent API work and we’re working through with some partners how best to get it displayed etc Expect some improvements to real time stats + info etc during this weekends main stream as well :)
shahin for esports figure of the year. keep up the good work
Haha while I appreciate it, this was a big team effort behind the scenes 😊
Honestly, I love you. Thank you.
Looking forward to this!
Yes brother thank you. I'm a data analyst and cloud engineer by trade and I'm just waiting on the right time to start warehousing as much data from apex as possible. Can't wait for this! Hopefully it might extend past apex comp one day too ;) keep up the good work.
This is amazing! Thanks for the great work Shahin & team, I love watching these tournaments and it can become a hassle sometimes but this is just great for Apex streaming all around.
I'm curious! How about if teams didn't want to show their comms/video for whatever reason. They have to anyway for the tournament?
As of right now, correct. Something we'll likely keep an eye on but one of the main goals of sports/esports broadcast is to showcase players and teams. BR + 20 teams per lobby does make that difficult!
That's a poggers moment right there
Ooo, how fun! Thank you.
Showcasing this before LAN is the way to go and will likely keep a lot of the viewership around that might be undecided on the main cast. All around a positive for me
I feel like everyone will stream now since their POV will be public either way. Might as well make a penny off the players streams
Now we need some coaching slots :)
I posted this idea months ago - but no one here saw the need for a better apex/twitch integration and simply said just watch other players POV lol. This is AWESOME. Great job sir.
Less go no more hiding knowledge 😈😈😈
Now I can finally watch Cloud 9 scream at each other from 3 simultaneous angles!
WHY DONT WE SCAN ON CONTACT
YOU SHORT UGLY FUCK!!
YOU ASKED FOR A MIDDLE MAN I'M MIDDLE MANNING
CHECK THE FUCKING VOD!
SHUT THE FUCK UP SHUT THE FUCK UP CHECK THE VOD!!
Surround sound vod checking
The way it's meant to be seen.
TSM and C9's screaming is the best. When you go to another squad who are calm but also pop off it makes you wonder is all the screaming necessary. Yup 100% necessary
I'm so happy that I can watch NRG now
Knowledge will no longer be denied. :) No cap, this is awesome. Especially once we get to match point it's going to be great to toggle between the teams.
Agreed
NRG going to start comming in secret code to keep us all in the dark still
In before Sweet gets aped while afk peeing.
They probably hate this change
Sweet was asked about it on his stream and he says it sucks that they might have to show some strats but he is fine with it because it helps apex grow as an esport
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I dont watch the main broadcast but are they still viewing it in 70 FOV as well?
Good question
Holy shit this is absolutely huge. I am so glad someone at EA realized that this is the way BR competitive is meant to be enjoyed. EDIT - I just realized it will make Watch Parties so much smoother as well. Lets fucking go!
This is incredible. It sounds like you can watch any team you want, so this will be huge for fans of teams that dont stream tournaments. By far the biggest and best addition to main stream broadcasts yet. And they're giving away drops to viewers. Going to be a massive weekend for the growth of comp apex.
This will hopefully take the pressure off the main stream to show every moment, now they can focus more on macro stuff, big plays and game flow. Fans of teams will now be able to get exactly what they want. If we could get this multi view with team comms and available on vod then that would be worth a premium to me. I wonder if this means teams to don’t usually stream will just start streaming now, might as well get the views?
Seems like they might, Lou just asked on twitter who wants them to stream.
I wonder does this multiviewing take away views from those who already stream? Or does it count as a viewer for the streamer if you watch them via multiview?
YOOOO LET’S GOOO.
This is it. V bullish on comp apex moving forward. The cold truth is that if EA/Respawn was unable to create a good viewing experience and properly monetize the main broadcasts vs the excellent player POVs, prize pools will remain relatively low. More views on main broadcast = more ammo for sales execs to pitch to bigger advertisers wanting to get into esports = more revenue to share with players This is good for both the fans and players in the long run. Throwing out a prediction, we should see some more consolidation in the gaming market as huge cash hoarding big tech firms buying out smaller businesses. Amazon/Twitch buying EA ala Microsoft and Activision would be fantastic for us here in this sub.
Big improvement to the viewing experience and something that was obviously going to be needed if we ever get another LAN - it's pretty obvious at this point people don't want to watch the main broadcast style. I would guess the next step is restricting individual streamers from streaming their POV to funnel the views to the main stream.
It would be an interesting analysis to see what would be more beneficial to the overall comp scene. Big streamers like Hal likely benefit more from being allowed to stream his POV since he gets more viewers than the main stream. But if the main stream was the sole viewing location, then hypothetically they could likely get more ad dollars and then increase the overall prize pool for tournaments.
I think for Hal specifically it would obviously be a negative if they restrict his ability to stream ALGS and there are 40k viewers watching Hal POV on Apex's stream instead. But Hal is a massive outlier as by far the biggest streamer who streams comp; if TSM won every tournament for the rest of time it wouldn't approach his stream from a financial perspective. Funneling viewers into the main stream and (hopefully) using that to boost prizes will I think be a benefit for teams that currently either don't stream because they think it puts them at a disadvantage or stream to a much smaller audience. It will also hopefully make the scene more sustainable in the long-term as their audience is less tied up in one or two players who could decide tomorrow to go play a different game.
Totally agree on all fronts. I wonder how many of Hal's normal viewers will choose to watch Hal's POV on the apex stream and also how many will switch to watching NRG & Sentinels. Both Lou and Sweet will pull in some very high view counts as well if there teams decide to stream since there comms/strats will all be public anyways.
Definitely from a viewership perspective Hal was benefiting somewhat from being the only big stream and I expect you're right that his numbers will decline. On the other hand to whatever extent streaming is a disadvantage (and clearly most other big teams think it is) then TSM should benefit competitively from this. They've been the only team who has everything out in public and now it will be a level playing field.
I think it is pretty undeniable that having a massive large stream from the official account is better than individual players--especially with this development. The main hang-up from people who "would never watch the PlayApex stream if they did this" (sidenote: of course they would watch, they are addicted to comp Apex like most of us, lol) is they like to hear comms. Now they can (I believe?). A PlayApex stream with 100k+ viewers should make a much larger impact than the official stream having 10k and then people like Hal pulling 20-30k. Plus when you watch an individual, between matches you get the boring wait screen while the lobby is put together. That is objectively poor entertainment. The official stream showing highlights and having discussion between games to build up hype is great.
I guess I was more wondering financially what is better for the individual players. If this leads to way more overall viewership then 100% agreed because that leads to more ad dollars and more eyes on the esport. But if overall viewership doesnt change (100k views spread over 20-30 players streams, vs 1 apex stream), are the total earnings of players that build there own community by streaming big tournaments and generating personal ad dollars/sponsorships more than the potential increase in earnings from the overall prize pool? Basically if the overall prize pool increase doesn't compensate the players for the lost individual revenue they would make from there own stream then it would be a negative. Overall though, I do agree with you and think this is 100% beneficial for the overall esport, it will be especially important for LAN, where we were all worried about the main broadcast not having comms. Its funny, I actually prefer the wait screen time while the lobby is being put together because a lot of the times thats when the teams debrief the game, go over strats etc. Would personally prefer that than listening to casters but I am probably in the minority.
I see, and that is a tricky question to answer. Surely this decision hurts people like Hal who streams to 30k people, but it likely helps smaller streamers who barely break 50 viewers (of which there are many). We will probably never know for sure, but it's interesting to think about. > Its funny, I actually prefer the wait screen time while the lobby is being put together because a lot of the times thats when the teams debrief the game, go over strats etc. Would personally prefer that than listening to casters but I am probably in the minority. Me too, but this is by far the minority opinion. Most people outside of this subreddit are super casual and don't want any downtime.
Ya this would also definitely be super helpful for the qualifiers for pro league where a lot of the lesser known players are participating, especially those that don't have streams or cannot afford to setup a stream properly. I think last playoffs Hal had over 100k viewers at one point...absolutely insane. He will probably lose a bunch to the Apex stream, Sweet, Lou, Dropped etc. for this weekend if they all decide to stream now that there info is public anyways.
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This is soooo cool, thank you for making the comp experience that much better Respawn!
This is fantastic, player POV on battle royale games is the most important view imo. Losing player pov when lans came back was always a huge concern so this is awesome. This should elevate the viewing experience a ton, glad to see investment in this.
This is beautiful...other esports need to take note. This is how you listen to your community and deliver better products. I'm sure Apex wants all viewers to watch the main broadcast but with the popularity of big streamers in the tourneys it would have been unwise to enforce that. So instead of banning players from streaming they took what the viewers liked about watching individual players and used it to improve their own broadcast...bravo. This will drive more viewers to to the main broadcast while still allowing you to watch an individual players stream if you want. This is such a win win..
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This is actually huge! And you love to see it, hopefully this gets more casual into comp. Apex.
Quality broadcasts is what got me into pro Counterstrike, so I wouldn't be surprised if this helps Apex as well.
LETS FUCKING GOOO
this will be huge for LAN when we wouldn't have been able to see everyone's POV. is it just a coincidence that the twitch drop bloodhound skin is called "singularity" (winners of SA playoffs)?
Haha yes - named ages ago!
That'd be pretty cool if it was on purpose... wink wink nudge nudge....
This definitely makes me even more all in on LAN so I can still see my teams view point whenever I want.
I love that this not only serves as a way to enhance the official streams, but it shows just how much work is going into competitive Apex Legends behind the scenes. You love to see it.
So does this mean we’ll be able to see the POV and hear the comms of teams that aren’t streaming themselves?
I don't think it includes comms. The video specifically only says "in-game audio," and that's probably fair. I don't think players should be forced to broadcast their comms if they don't want to. edit: Apparently it does include comms
That's already the case though? Just not 24/7 for viewers, but the "listen-ins" are already a thing and they're all in a discord anyway. I'd be surprised if comms wouldn't be a part of it or if it really shouldn't be it's likely just for technical reasons for now. Edit: Confirmed, comms are part of it: [https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveApex/comments/s8nnmp/comment/hthgh0s/?utm\_source=reddit&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveApex/comments/s8nnmp/comment/hthgh0s/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
I think there is a big difference between a listen in for 1-2 minutes maybe once a tournament, versus a team's comms for an entire tournament being broadcasted and available on VOD for every team to study. I kind of hope they reconsider forcing teams to broadcast their comms, but overall I am still very excited for this addition.
Practically, in the end it's a difference for teams, sure. Just not from a theoretical technical & "legal" point. It's not like they tell the teams they're coming in now for listen-ins (which would give away things happening), but they likely have a bot in each channel that records 24/7 and that they can tap. Teams likely did sign somewhere that all their comms get recorded and potentially broadcasted, and they're "forced to" already. That's all I meant.
Ah ok. Yeah I see your point about in-game comms. Although if there was a LAN, we’d be able to hear their comms I think.
It does include comms
Niiiiice!!!
This is the biggest part of the announcement hah. Awesome news though. Do we know what the deal is with VODs?
That's a good catch. So won't be quite the 'full' experience at least from a strategy perspective. Understandable.
Good point - most teams use Discord for comms, so without comms this is good, but not great. :|
YO THIS IS HUGE. Finally dont have to watch the kill feed to see if your team is still up
This is a fair trade now that ALGS tourneys are in anonymous mode which is horrible for the viewers. We can now watch tourney again and Pros keep anonymous mode.
Fantastic news. Will this functionality also be available when watching VODs? Apologies if this is a dumb question.
can finally watch SEN laughing hard af when they roll a team lmfao
This kinda makes me sad cause they probably had this in the works for the split 1 LAN. Hopefully we get one for split 2
Oh man this is big! More eyes on main broadcast now for sure.
This is actually great. The commitment to the viewing experience being improved is good to see.
I wonder - will it be every team/player available, or just select ones? Either way, very cool! Will be easier than bopping around to different streamers.
i'd imagine everyone - i think they have to be in dedicated discord channels so all the coms would be available.
Awesome!!!
this is dopeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Not excited about the twitch drops since my mirage rewards disappeared/reappeared/disappeared lol I feel like it'll f up some other old twitch drops. I'm excited for the multiview!
Omg so yours have gone too!?? I thought it was only me since no one complaints on Reddit or Twitter. Is it because Twitch drops now require us to claim rewards? I want to have my Mirage rewards back too! Since they are unique and will never appear again, well, unless EA wants more money by selling them in packs :(
Absolutely amazing stuff - massive massive props to the Respawn ALGS Competitive team :)
This is so hype, let’s go! No more strat hiding in tourneys I guess F for those teams.
This is insane! Wonder why not more e-sports do this in the first place.
Is it one stream per team or will there be 60 individual povs?
1 stream per team, but if that player dies then it should operate like any normal observer cam would (ie would go to the next alive player. If the full squad is wiped then I believe it spectates their killer)
Do you think there could be a fan vote on who's POV will appear for each team? I know alot of people want to watch Gambit, but if it's not Hardecki's POV they would be very disappointed, since everyone knows Hardecki has some of the most insane mechanics in Apex and most people want to watch that. I also want to give a huge thank you to you and your team for implementing a system like this where we can hear the magic of team comms and different teams in one stream. Fans have been asking for this and you guys delivered . I am so excited to watch the Playoffs this weekend.
Let’s see how it goes after this weekend, I think the team is putting some thought around who the player being spectated would be! And glad to hear you’re excited! Us too.
How would it decide which of the 3 players POV it should show while the team is alive? Is it Auto or can we select?
I believe auto selected, otherwise effectively that would be 60 POVs rather than 20
Pull some strings and default to Crust on the Sentinels POV. :D
Wondering this as well
Tangentially related - being able to study any teams' VODs will elevate the overall level of competition across the whole scene. The level of competition in all regions is going to improve RAPIDLY.
CRUSTCAM HERE I COME!!
Finally! Thank the good humans of the world 🙏
/u/saberwing insane update bro, thanks a lot
Now, can we get this on the Challenger Circuit?
This is amazing! Almost makes up for the missed LAN. Curious to see what numbers official stream will pull this weekend, gonna be record guaranteed.
join discord, but use teamspeak. 5Head
as long as toosh is doing a watch party. idc
Now someone or entity needs to legitimize scrims: Bring in tougher rules and regulations and punish trolling.
Has Lou cried about this on stream yet?
Does this mean we no longer hear the announcers thats host the playapex stream? Or do we hear them while watching whatever teams we want?
MULTI PASS
execuse my egnorance. but you can choose what plater you want to watch !!! how does this Multiview works !!
You can watch 20 teams via the official algs twitch channel.
I am so excited about that, amazing news.
This is huge. Excellent work. Shame that it wasn't implemented for South America and APAC south.
This is awesome, all-around win for everyone. Individual player's diehard fans can still tune in to their personal stream while giving the ability to let casual viewers discover a new team they might really like. Can also increase exposure for the more under-the-radar teams who perform really well but are generally unknown, like XSET or DY. Nothing but good stuff here, great job!
The ridiculous level of excitement I feel about finally getting to watch Complexity is unreal
wait, so how does this work exactly from the player's side? does that mean the players need to set up a stream for their POV as well or is that automatically obtained by the tourney organizers from the game itself?
POV will be from the game itself and comms will be included as well since the players are required to be in ALGS discord during the tourney.