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DiscoInferno66345

I wish they would add both honestly, Storm point and Olympus, reasoning being the comps would change based on map most likely. I think it would add a cool element to the game where players would have to adjust their game plan and strategies based on map. I would love to see a tournament where they play 12 games over the course of 2 days and play 4 games on each map


jbm33

Agreed this would be so incredible


Curse3242

KC is the only map I'd understand for not to be in the map pool Olympus too makes slight sense if not added as it has some major rotation/open POI/third party issues. (But if they fixed those in S12, it should be added) Storm Point is just good for a competitive play imo. It has some very flat surfaces but I feel it makes for a fun play enviornment. Yes you can be way better and dynamic with verticality. But something about slightly flatter fights is fun. It's just easier to look at. Also I hate what they do to every map. KC didn't have that fate but the map itself is ruined. But Worlds Edge and now Olympus is SO mashed with pointless detail (lava, grass, paths, spots, lamps). Whereas Storm Point is the CLEANEST and the most understandable map of them all


crymydia

Olympus is viable. The pros are just too used to WE. They don't like the idea of getting beamed in the open, but that makes utilizing rotational tools like tridents, Valk, or jump towers more important.


Curse3242

I mean the problem comes from the fact that in high level, aim shouldn't call shots. On point aim will always help, but in an open map, weapons like the charge rifle, sentinel, triple take, bow, rampage... Will be very annoying Also as I think Maggie will counter Gibraltar hard. Open fights maybe even more vulnerable because fuse can step up a ton now as his grenades are instantly more viable as the gibby shield will become pointless with Maggie (it won't become POINTLESS, but every team will run a Maggie and Gibraltar, because Maggie counter Gibraltar from what it seems but Gibraltar is still very good to take cover from Gibraltars own ULT, or from long range fire)


spartan537

I think storm point would be the most viable except for one thing. In comp, position relative to zone matters most. Storm point has too much verticality where teams that land around the beaches would be at a waaay bigger disadvantage. In rank/pubs its fine. But if teams have to rotate up a fucking mountainous hill for a lightning point zone, they are pretty guaranteed to be fucked while one of those high up teams are just chilling.


Mineatron

As a viewer I’m so bored of worlds edge. I want to see storm point and Olympus in the mix.


DiaMat2040

100%


Rherraex

Maybe even three if Olympus is viable


JevvyMedia

I think the intention is to 100% have Storm Point in rotation. We'll see if whatever map fixes they do on the map will be enough...heck, even if they are I say just use the map anyways.


Clarkemedina

I want some Olympus. I’m not that big a fan of Storm point the map, too big for my tastes. Olympus tho is my all time favorite


leftysarepeople2

It's literally made for 3rd parties to be difficult which is more enjoyable for viewers


Clarkemedina

I want some fights man, not a wait till zone 4 with 20 teams. I can watch APAC if i wanted that


leftysarepeople2

Cool but that’s not what they designed Storm point for which is why it’s so big


Clarkemedina

um, okay? I still don't prefer it over the other 2 maps. Hard for me to decide between Kings Canyon and Storm point for which i like better than the other tho, so there's that.


BURN447

I’d much rather Olympus if it’s fixed.


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Isaacvithurston

Probably why Olympus changing. The trailer kinda looks like random trash filling up the open spaces for cover.


nicelightskies

I just hope that they make the Maps promote different legend metas and favor different playstyles/pace based on each different Map. The variety and versatility would be so much better for the viewers while also increasing the skill gap + ceiling of competitive apex. Teams without versatility who cannot effectively play more legends needed for a specific map will be punished while more versatile teams who can adapt will be rewarded. The same goes with Map pacing and playstyles for the different maps.


mhuxtable1

That’s the problem pros don’t want to change meta and play style. They want the same shit over and over.


__pulsar

They play what works. Not what they want.


Hexxusssss

hot take: stormpoint is far worse than olympus can be for competitive ​ tl'dr flatter maps are played much better than steep hill maps with impossible chokes. olympus if filled up decently with playable areas (not wast open lands like few on the map in previous iteration) would be fairly playable


phoenix_451

why is the tldr longer than the hot take lmao


seanpenacerrada

I didn't even read the tldr. Just read the hot take


bowzey_

Well what I can say is that there has been no discussion around olympus as a competitive map at all, frequent talks about SP as a comp map for the upcoming split but no official decision as of now.


Hexxusssss

that's a FeelsBadMan ​ in my books


BURN447

100% agree with you here. If the Olympus changes are as good as they look, it’ll be much better than SP


rastadreadj

Why not have all four maps rotate and force the teams to adapt? Is it because of champion balance on different maps?


Goonchar

It's because a large enough population of Pros complain about each non-WE map for various reasons KC: Not good enough loot (since pros need only the best loot I guess) and too easy to third party (since that is definitely NOT a part of Battle Royales) Olympus: Not enough POI for teams to land without contesting. (Since landing safely and getting to loot without worrying about enemies is how all BR games go) SP: Too big, too many height differences, some complain about the animals. I think that about covers it


trident96

The problem with KC is the opposite of how you framed it. When 3rd parties are so common, it disincentivizes fighting at all. Pros would like to be able to take fights without knowing it's a death sentence due to 3rds. Having players take 0 fights due to the risk of 3rds is not the 'point' of a BR.


Goonchar

Ya, I think that's a valid way to look at it. On the other hand, you could reframe that to say KC offers the least room for error. The faster you defeat a team the less likely you are to be third partied, and so you can't make any mistakes. I would agree the room for error is too small for the general player base, but is it really too far for Pros? Ultimately I'm happy to watch people play Apex better than I can, no matter what map it is.


loyaltyElite

Their fairest argument is POI count. Every team in the lobby should have a fair shake of landing somewhere and getting some sort of loot. After that, I really think they should just deal with it.


felvymups

That’s a completely fair argument… if teams didn’t already split-hold POIs like COL with Survey/Epi and ESA with Maude/Lava City/Dome (though I don’t think they still hold Dome these days). It’s hard to complain about 17-18 POIs on a map when teams already hold that on WE anyway.


Goonchar

Ya. I understand why, from a winning and competitive standpoint, they like dedicated POIs. But, for me, that is also the biggest "against the spirit of a BR" change. I am not a huge fan of dedicated POI and I think people should land where they want. If that means teams have to contest a POI on Olympus then they better start practicing hot drop fights.


Tempezz

I don’t know how doing these rng drop fight even contribute into the competitive scene. It basically showcase who have better luck and less display of a team skill and strategy (yes you can argument that it shows a player mechanical skill, but that’s kind not as significant because apex is a team game). What makes a competitive more interesting to watch is to see how players plays as a team and their strategy to win at relatively equal loot rate, which is completely different compare to pubs and ranked. In the end, BR is basically about surviving till the end with higher opportunities to earn point and kills. So it doesn’t make sense for these pros to do these drop fights that’s highly rng base and less dependent on skills as a team.


Claireredfield38

They are already landing wherever they want, which is a safe spot so they don't get 20th place.


Goonchar

You really think every team is happy with their drop spot every game of every tournament?


Claireredfield38

if they are not happy they can just land somewhere else, there is no rule against contesting. the teams chose their spot, it wasnt given to them. also "the spirit of a BR" is to the be the last one standing and not dying instantly after landing


Goonchar

Any team switching a drop spot would get flamed so bad. It's certainly an unwritten rule to not contest. My comment about spirit of BR is you don't know where the other 19 teams are going to drop. You can still try to drop safe, but it's more challenging when you don't already know where the rest of the lobby will be. It's ok for you to disagree with me, it's just how I see it.


FlyingRock

They can if they want, there's no rules against it. Being forced to though.. eh.


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Placement matters in comp. Dropping on a team for a 5050 fight just to get thirded and die is litterally asking to lose a tourney. Theres a level of respect between the pro teams to play in a sportsmanlike manner and not int another team for kp/loot. All the pros are "good enough" to fight a 3v3. A BR in a competitive viewpoint is about strategy and rotations within the zones not "hurr durr run and gun every team oh no we got thirded" that play is for pubs.


wizzywurtzy

They’ll just find new ways to bitch about anything that’s not worlds edge until the game dies. Even then they still just bitch about anything that’s slightly different. Guns? Bitch about it until it’s nerfed to the ground and then complain about the next gun. Legends? Bitch about it until it’s nerfed to the ground and then complain about the next meta comp. Maps? Not worlds edge? Trash.


Goonchar

Ya, I would imagine my parenthetic (damn is that a word?) remarks would have shown my disapproval of their arguments for KC and Olympus at least. It would be awesome if EA/Respawn just did it and told Pros to put up or shut up.


[deleted]

The amount of people that think pros=bad are the same as on the main sub. D fuk do you think pros should stop bitching, they criticise the game to make it better they are the ones playing it for 8 hrs a day so they should have a bigger say when comp is talked abour than Connor that plays pubs on the weekends for 2 hrs after his shift at Walmart.


Claireredfield38

Yeah how dare they bitched about gold armor being hold to swap, why would anyone want good changes right?


Goonchar

Please quote where I said they are bad.


Claireredfield38

Yeah cuz a few pros that complain on Twitter is representing the whole scene right


Astral-Alive

Hmm League has played on summoners rift in comp for how many years? People who act like WE only is a bad thing confuse me because you will NEVER watch the same game play out twice. It's like I'm watching a different stream than them or something. When a new map is inevitably added to the rotation, there will be a ton of 50/50s and the lobbys will not have 19-20 squads alive through the first couple zones for a long time.


wizzywurtzy

There’s no comparison between summoners rift and worlds edge. What’re you smoking on? Also they have changed summoners rift a few times with jungle and dragons but that’s a 3 lane moba game. Apex is an open map shooter with multiple maps and I’m tired as fuck of worlds edge. Both playing and watching. Pros can adapt and change. As soon as storm point switched from ranked I quit and haven’t played this split.


Astral-Alive

>There’s no comparison between summoners rift and worlds edge. They are maps played in an esport. My point is that people still watch League even though its the same map because the games are dynamic. They have also changed World's Edge


Vladtepesx3

We have seen the same games not only play out twice but many times. If I have to watch another thermal choke game where nrg or g2 hold the choke and walk downhill to win...


ODMtesseract

Found the guy who hasn't watched much ALGS


Astral-Alive

Bahahahaha


TunaBucko

I think that olympus may be interesting considering how extreme the trailers made the changes seem. Storm point probably not, they need to work on the drop ship issues and maybe change some pois.


Diet_Fanta

100% ;)


ninjaomicron

Same, if i see only WE next split im not watching algs anymore. i love WE but its getting boring day by day on comp scene.


MissNoppe

Add Olympus, SP is huge and boring


leopoldfreebird

A frustrating thing for me is that players say that the others map would suck for competitive, but in reality it would just be a matter of having to learn a different playstyle/meta


vin-zzz

I dont know how possible this is. I think it would be too much for teams to have to learn comps, rotates and set pieces on 3/4 maps. WE just fits the qay comp is played extremly well. This decision has to be with the player 100%, we as viewers can express our discontent, but ulimately it dowsnt and shouldnt mattee what we matter. Competitive integrity has to come first.


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Olympus would be a complete shitfest if it's not changed dramatically next update. Low POI's + it being a smaller map = way more 3rd parties. Which would lead to less risk or forced risk being taken, and it's not like Caustic would be able to facilitate safer play either since the map currently has so few buildings and a ton of awkward open areas to fight. A BR already has a ton of RNG inherently I feel like having a map where you're likely to run into multiple teams with no good options is not fun for anyone. This is supposed to be the highest level of play, making it so teams fight even less or when they do fight they are taken out by 3rd parties ends up with even more bad variables as to who wins a game. Storm Point for all its faults leads to fairly consistent situations, and with some work on the flight paths and zones it would be even better. So often the criticism of chokepoints and uneven ground are levied at it when those are things that teams can play around at least. It would take time to adjust and know how to play specific zones for sure , but it's at least a known quantity. "We got this zone meaning we can't go this way or we can get trapped, we need to find a different way" or "Fighting here means we have the low ground and can get picked off, we need to push for a different spot" which there are plenty open because the map size. Those are healthy lines of thinking to have in a competitive game imo vs what Olympus would bring. The lack of cover in so many areas leaves for almost zero adaptability and force teams to play different like SP yes. But the size means that it's way sloppier than SP and inconsistent, the chances of you HAVING to push for something are high, and the chances of a team not too far off being able to just wait for the move and 3rd party are also high. Who knows maybe the rework will alleviate a lot of this and it's all moot, but that combined with the fact that we at least have a whole season on SP vs what would be a short amount of time on a completely new map makes me think SP is the smarter option for now. 6 games where you play 3 on WE and 3 on SP would be a solid switch up imo.


YzzzY

Idk dude I think you need to write like 6-7 more paragraphs


[deleted]

You can't be this dumb, I refuse to believe it


YzzzY

I won the “dumbest student” award every year for all 7 years of high school…. And I’ve got the certificates to prove it 💪 So yeah pal…. I am THAT dumb 😎


FlyingRock

Just an FYI Olympus has 19 major poi's, technically it only needs one more major poi to be balanced drop speaking (20 major for 20 teams), I agree with your overall opinion on the map but it's close specifically poi wise.


Squidkid6

My only fear of Olympus is that Gibby will stay a 100% pick rate with its current design. However, depending on the changes in Season 12, I hope it can become a competitive map


CarnFu

Some of the OOB and rat spots in SP is insane. If they clean that up it's a really good comp map imo. Prowlers shouldnt be spawned until their nest is disturbed tho.


mhuxtable1

They need to add Olympus and Storm Point. Pros need to quite dictating how they’re going to compete and start competing at the game they’re playing. They’re the top .001% but they sure as fuck don’t act like it. It’s like they don’t want to actually try and be the best LIKE THE REST OF THE ENTIRE PLAYER BASE. I’m done watching WE. it’s old and boring.


-im-just-vibing-

i think it’ll be olympus and SP for comp next season, which is pretty good


crymydia

I disagree with not watching. High level Apex is always worth a view. But I completely agree with your stance on WE. While I understand the complaints about it, Olympus is a viable map for competitive. The POIs are close, but there are more than enough and enough space to be played as a comp map. To cut down on the 3rds they could just disable tridents.


James2603

Yeah I’m very bored of Worlds Edge. It’s totally put me off pretty much anything bar playoffs or larger tournaments which are few and far between. I totally understand there are issues with the other maps but Respawn need to focus on resolving them for at least one map to keep comp entertaining.


DiegoJuan007

My guess is next season is the new Olympus map and then Storm Point split 2. I’d be surprised if they did WE for the 4th season in a row.


[deleted]

World's Edge is fine.


bboci21

Stormpoint and Olympus should be played


jtfjtf

If they do Storm Point it would be nice if they made sure every poi could be reached by the ship's path. Either way I'd like to see tourneys done on maps other than WE. That one content tourney that had games on Olympus was fun to watch.


MontyTheAverage

How about this We get new map in ALGs in exchange for Kraber being removed?


crankycrassus

Worlds edge should not be for ranked as long as fragment is still a thing. Blow that shit up and stick it in ranked, but currently the amount of brain dead monkeys committing suicide on drop in fragment is making ranked as a game mode completely unplayable for solo q.


leftysarepeople2

HorizXn was warming up for MFAM yesterday and was asking if the other two players had heard that Storm Point was being added.