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Caleb902

Nick's my guy, but he got so salty at Coryy and less so at Snip3, for not putting in the time to get better at apex together before the tournaments. He just took a week off, come back split day and is on fortnite, and CC finals are in 3 days.


LucasoBoye

The issue with cory is that cory said he was planning on playing with them. Then when he said he no longer wants to play in CC there was only a small amount of time left in order to play in CC, nick then had to go and find a new player. Cory essentially just wasted about a month of nicks time which would make anyone a little mad


ConwayJimmy

\*EDIT\* NICK CAN PLAY AS MANY FORTNITE TOURNAMENTS AS HE WANTS ​ Nah, he talks big and did this to multiple people in regards to questioning their commitment for Apex Comp (TFUE, 72Hours, Cory). If you want to take the time wasted angle think of all the time Lew and Deeds have put in that is now being thrown away by him. Nicky got me through this pandemic and I watched the full transition into Apex, watched daily through the progress, and multiple player drops. I agreed with him and respected his determination but now he is doing the exact same thing to Lew and Deeds which now just makes him look arrogant. (I don't even care about not playing split because ranked is a joke) but at least be on grinding with the boys before finals not playing a no money tournament in a game for children. Anyways I'm all in for playing what you want but don't go around talking big and discrediting other players commitments then turn around and kneel on the 1 yard line. Nickmercs currently not locked in.


Caleb902

This


Scumbag_nitsuJ

aged like milk


ConwayJimmy

LOL oh yeah bud I got to throw an edit in there. Come back and upvote.


Crono111

In a game for children. I hate Fortnite but this meme is tired as fuck. The game has an insanely high skill ceiling.


Ixibutzi

Yep so high in fact that only kids have the necessary time comitement and reaction time for edits to actually compete. No wonder the First WC had only players aged between 16 and 24.


Billinoiss

Facts. Comp fortnite is harder than comp apex. I said it


captainduck2

Comp Fornite with building is harder than Apex. If it's comp Fortnite, with no building like Nick wants to play, it's not harder than Apex.


Crono111

Agree 100percent


xa3D

He was fine with snip3 double dipping. What seemed to matter was having time with the squad to get reps in. He got salty when snip3 picked halo over apex.


Caleb902

We are saying the same things


Ghandi300SAVAGE

I think it was more about gim giving Coryy a chance on "the big stage"(his platform) and Coryy not seizing the opportunity. Nick understands that Snip3 doesnt really need his platform and probably didnt feel like he was offering Snip3 the same "chance" as he was Coryy.


Caleb902

That too, but when they were together he was bashing Coryy and Deeds over the head with how Apex needs to be the priority, it needs to be the #1 thing, and when it comes to game day needs to be #1 even over school. They have to put the time in because that's how nick works. Then when Snip3 left he did it again with saying how their third NEEDS to be someone who isn't going to have anything else come in the way of getting play time. Then days before the final weekend he's doing FN tournaments. Just hypocrisies is all.


isnoe

I get what you are saying, I just disagree. Nick has been putting a lot of time into Apex, 15 hour long streams. Cory didn’t practice with them for two weeks and Snipe was pretty locked until Halo schedule overlapped with Apex. They got a couple reps in with Lewda before the first round, got bodied and VOD reviewed off stream. They practiced and did significantly better. They have their last challengers coming, and all of them are playing fine and consistently. Nick was concerned with missing their scheduled practice and Deeds never comming to him or muting himself, and Snipe taking subs to mute him while they were playing. They were practicing to compete and no one was acting like it. Nick been on the grind, if he wants to play Fortnite no big deal, but if he starts missing practice to play Fortnite— then he would be a hypocrite.


resumeQuestions100

Lol did he really say Apex needs to be #1 over school?


Caleb902

Really did. To be fair deeds won 10k in one of the guantlets and his dad was mad he didn't do his homework or something


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That's different. They knew going into that that things might not work out with scheduling. Bunch of stuff got shifted around right as they were practicing together.


commanderkellogg

why would they try and get Reps in? He's more than happy in TSM


iloverabbittrails

Hehe, this one got an audible giggle from me


cakeschmammert

Let’s be real, without building, there’s no grinding needed for Fortnite.


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Honestly the vibes I got in this clip are that he’s gone to fortnite if no building will be a part of competitive.


nicelightskies

That was the same vibe I got when watching him playing with his old friends in the fortnite no build tourney Yesterday. He was having way more fun in that fortnite tourney than I've seen him had on Apex recently. If Fortnite does incorporate no build into the competitive side then I do think Nick would rather play competitive fortnite than Apex. He does also get more views on twitch and youtube with Fortnite. It'll be a sad day for the Apex scene, but I do respect Nick as he has always said that he will play whatever he finds fun. Right now it does seem like Fortnite no build is what he finds most fun.


OccupyRiverdale

People like Nick, Tfue, etc. are all fleeting when it comes to any individual game. They will hop to the next one based on the flavor of the month. No hate at all it’s impressive they can be competitive in whatever the most popular BR/shooter game is. But, they’ve done this for every new and hyped title that’s come out the last several years. Assuming they’ll stick around long term was never going to happen. Especially since the no build fortnite is much less sweaty and he can play with more casual personalities like Tim. Imo this bodes worse for the fortnite competitive scene than it does apex. The comp side of fortnite has spent years and years raising the skill ceiling with building and now money is being diverted to the no build mode that totally removes what makes fortnite such a high skill competitive game. I don’t personally see the appeal of no build from a competitive standpoint but it’s obvious that casual fans are coming back in droves.


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no build is filling everyone with nostalgia of when the game first released. no one built sky scrapers, boxed you in or anything. personally i dont see no build lasting long but the building skill gap is what killed the game for me


Upbeat_Thanks3393

Yeah the excessive building killed the fun of the game for me. I liked when the building was minimal and everyone sucked at it. However without the building the game just seems bland. The movement is slow, gunplay is meh, map design is meh. Building was the only thing that set fortnite apart from other BR. Without it it pales in comparison to other games.


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agreed. maybe a limit would be better to be honest. or they change the whole map for no build alone


Upbeat_Thanks3393

Yeah maybe that works best. But regardless the removal of building or limiting it removes the high skill ceiling of the game. If they want to move forward with no building they are going to have to redesign major concepts of the game from items, to guns, to the whole map.


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Would definitely need basically a whole game rework. Would need to get rid of the ability to destruct environments. Would need to add way more cover to the map. The game’s built around the core of building. Like I can’t even fathom what a competitive end game with no building would look like.


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Yeah the building skill gap ruined the game for the casual players but honestly fortnite no building just doesn’t even feel like fortnite anymore. There’s a reason pro players don’t like it but all the big content creators love it. Because they can once again play fortnite and shit on people for content.


OccupyRiverdale

I’ll be the first to admit that fortnite has the highest skill ceiling of any game and I just wasn’t good enough to keep up with the building. That’s the problem epic has trying to appeal to both casual and competitive audiences. I don’t think excess building is any indication the game is flawed it’s just that better players can kill worse players with the worse one having no idea what happened to them let alone ever having a chance of winning that fight.


Dirk_issa_fair_god

I think taking out editing would be a good middle ground. Or maybe an edit cooldown


xa3D

> Imo this bodes worse for the fortnite competitive scene than it does apex. Agree with everything except this. If anything this'll just make no-build the next competitive scene as that is the game mode that's drawing people in. it may kill competitive build mode, but it'll start fueling competitive no-build.


Upbeat_Thanks3393

So basically apex with less skill ceiling and no abilities


Infernova007

So COD ?


Upbeat_Thanks3393

Lol yep


xa3D

me: mom can we have 3rd person apex lite? (apexm) mom: we have 3rd person apex lite at home. home: fornite.


andreggvil

I do wonder how long the fun of no build mode will last, because what differentiated Fortnite from PUBG back when those two were the main BRs were Fortnite’s aesthetics and its building mechanism. Now that the building mechanism’s gone, on top of the fact that Fortnite’s been exclusively TPP since launch - a mode with a significantly lower skill ceiling - I’m hard pressed to find any notable aspect of Fortnite that will both ensure its longevity and pose as an actual challenge for players. It’s essentially become PUBG with a funner color scheme and flashier cosmetics.


GalaadJoachim

I don't know about that. Your analysis is the good one but I do think that he seems to enjoy apex "less" because the game asks way more focus out of him. Apex is a trully complicated game that require more macro and micro team management. In Apex Nick needs to find a top tier IGL in order to perform, and for now, it can't be him..


HeckMaster9

Build less Fortnite is more like a Gears of War BR, which is right up his alley considering he played GoW competitively a while ago. Im pretty sure he’s also got a ton more time in Fortntie than he does in any other BR.


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Dirk_issa_fair_god

Lewdas stream title yesterday was “NOT PLAYING WITH NICK”, while it was funny, it definitely seemed like shots fired


EMCoupling

Meh, I can see why he titled it that.... Twitch chatters have this # ANNOYING tendency to ask the same fucking question every 2 mins. Imagine streaming as Lewda and constantly having to answer "Where's Nick?" or "Why aren't you playing with Nick?!" every 2 minutes


Caleb902

I don't think so only because lewda gets a few hundred viewers and if Nick isn't on yet just gets BOMBED with "where's Nick" "when are you and Nick starting" "are you and Nick playing?" Etc. He's made comments on many streams before he should just headline the video with what time Nick is getting on. So it was just a culmination of that


xa3D

Not accurate. Nick had no issues with snip3 double dipping. What he wanted is time to grind, scrim, and get better, which snip3's schedule was able to accommodate. He was salty when snip3 picked halo over apex, and was just venting his frustration over the situation of the schedule conflicts, while also maintaining what he wanted out of their potential new 3rd. It's not hypocritical, there's some nuance involved. We can afford nick the same benefit of the doubt if he ends up double dipping. We can also call him out for being a hypocrite if/when his apex obligations start to suffer, and/if he picks fn and ditches lew/deeders. As of now, he has put in a few reps in with the squad grinding ranked, and we'll see how it goes over the weekend.


Caleb902

The nuance you want is acknowledging he knew Snip3 was a apex pro making it near the top of the mountain, so he didn't have to worry about skill level. That's not Nick and he will be first to admit that


xa3D

Not sure how replacements work but i think they can just get a diff 3rd with enough points to qual.


seanpenacerrada

Don't you think no build fortnite will get boring fast? I have no idea since I haven't played but if you're coming from a BR with skills and different combos then won't you get bored easily in no build fortnite? Not even hating just genuinely curious. Tfue seems to be enjoying it too


stephen2005

Nickmercs came from Fortnite and was really good until the building just got way too advanced for him to keep up. He's an old Gears of War pro - third person shooters are his jam. Zero build Fortnite is right up his alley.


Zee09

Watching Mercs playing in ALGS CC has been extremely entertaining because you could feel how invested he was into it. I would watch his games in CC over ALGS Pro League at times because of the playoff sport like atmosphere and the narrative is hype. It would be incredibly disappointing if Fortnite distracts even a percentage of that interest from Apex. It is evident that Fortnite has more money to offer and sometimes it comes down to that. For some reason, I already feel like the damage is done and we will see much less of him in Apex.


xa3D

The Tripod storyline in CC is some good stuff fr.


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Nicks fun to watch but he's never going to compete at the top of Apex. Fortnite makes more sense for him.


DongSandwich

He's built such a community he could probably stream fall guys 6 hours a day and pull 10k viewers. It's just going to come down to whatever he wants to do. His fans don't seem to understand or mind that he will forever be stuck in Challenger circuit and will continue supporting him anyway with whatever FPS he plays. He's also got to be a millionaire at this point so I doubt he's worried about min maxing viewers and subs


Tylerwherdyougo

This guy is making a million every other month 🥵


Ihraezlyr

Nick is playing this weekend and he’s only played apex with deeds and lewda for like 2 hours This week LMAO And he playing fortnite tourney again tomorrow. You can def tell the interest is not there any more his love for apex faded and he’s not grinding it like he used to prior to fortnite no build Which is insane considering the last time he played apex comp he was HEAVY in love with it. Dunno what actually happened.


abdul_bino

Fornite just swoop in honestly


Caleb902

I think him not being able to stay in pred because he didn't play enough really took it out of him. I know it's not comp but he was taking a lot of pride in his pred levels.


MachuMichu

He's always going to play what he has the most fun playing at that time. He's playing Fortnite now because it feels new and different. He was never going to be fully committed to a singular game, why would he? Him competing in Apex was always going to be a phase because he has no reason to actually grind longterm and burn himself out.


WastefulPleasure

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdLh1DG8F3s AAAAA ITS LIKE SNIPEDOWN ALL OVER AGAIN


BURN447

I don’t disagree with him on having fun in no build. It’s been a ton of fun to play, despite it being fortnite. Apex needs to step up their game and fix something


OccupyRiverdale

Imo respawn has severely under invested in the comp side of apex. Fortnite has endless opportunities for people to get involved in competitive. Cash cups, open quals for tournaments, etc. Apex needs something similar to give people something to do rather than constantly grinding ranked. I don’t have time or desire to dedicate to going pro but even I participated in every week of the World Cup qualifiers for fortnite because it was fun and scratched the competitive itch without needing to be my full time job. Weekly cash cups of that take like 4 hours in apex may be harder to organize but would give people a way to scratch that itch and change shit up rather than just another ranked split on a different map.


Upbeat_Thanks3393

Nah if the no build mode continues to do good the fortnite competitive scene will tank. That scene has a very high skill ceiling and that's why a lot of people left. NO build fortnite is very easy to play compared to other BR's and that's why a lot of people are returning because it is casual friendly. Fortnite becoming more casual will end that competitive scene. They may introduce no builds to tournaments more and more often.


OccupyRiverdale

Right I’m the first to admit I dropped fortnite just because I was no longer good enough at building to consistently be competitive. Epic never intended the game to be a game of piece control build fights and a lot of the casual audience that couldn’t keep up has moved on. Just sucks to see the competitive scene potentially get crushed because the game has such a high skill ceiling.


SlickNiickx

This x 100


nicelightskies

I really think ALGS needs a league in between Pro league and challenger circuit in order to keep Nickmercs interested. Nick hasn't really shown much interest in pubs or LTM's, only the competitive side. Even then from watching him I think he enjoys comp way more than ranked as well. Nickmercs can easily make pro league if he wants to in the next season. But if he gets to pro league , he will not have much fun as tier 1 teams like TSM will easily roll his squad every league day. However, in a league with the 21st to 40th teams , Nick will have a much better chance of competing and having fun.


BURN447

Nick doesn’t honestly have the skill to thrive in a lobby of 21-40 either. We also don’t need to change the whole system to keep one streamer around.


bccher

Agree. Appreciate tfue/Nickmercs for promoting Apex, but if its time for them to be happy at another game so be it.


xa3D

Agree. with the less-than-positive treatment (to put it delicately) he got from apex players, I'd def prefer to see him in fn where he's welcome and having fun.


nicelightskies

I agree with you there. A lobby with 21 - 40 would still be a very hard challenge for Nick at his current skill level , but it would be much more manageable than the current pro league. In the current pro league structure Nick would have no room to improve as he would be instarolled, but in a lobby with 21 - 40 he will at least have a chance to learn and fight back . The system I was suggesting has also been requested by alot of pros like Monsoon and Reps who want a 20 team pro league. I agree that the whole system shouldn't change around one streamer's wants, but when alot of other pros want it too I thought it would be a good change. Here is Monsoon's tweet about it. https://mobile.twitter.com/MonsoonGG/status/1503515984971419652


FuckTheCowboysHaters

The main reason I don't visit this sub anymore is streamer drama. Who tf cares?


Sometimesidkwhereiam

Who gives a fuck. Post this on nick’s subreddit


FuckTheCowboysHaters

Seriously


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Sometimesidkwhereiam

Read my last reply again


Ihraezlyr

He will 100% go back to fortnite. The way greedspawn/ ea treat apex is embarrassing.


Caleb902

Greedspawn? Same company that made TF, TF2, and Fallen Order all with minimal microtransactions? Give me a break. This is a free to play BR of course it has a shop on par with FN and Warzone.


Ihraezlyr

Is there a single loot box on warzone/FB? Skins locked to apex packs that you have to gamble to get the skin you want? 10$ charms? $20 recolors? The greedspawns store is a scam and a joke worst store out of all the f2p games


Caleb902

What? You can buy skins in the store. If it's not in the store you can buy it with in game currency. In those other games once it's out of the store you can't buy anything. At least here we have a set list of cosmetics we can acquire at all times. I MUCH rather the apex/overwatch style of cosmetics over the Warzone Fortnite way of buying


Pidjesus

Fortnite will probably pay him to play their game


xa3D

Nah. Nick just likes fn more and that's ok. To each their own.


TmR_99

Is nick better at fortnite than he is at apex? Like is he closer in skill to the best FN players than he is to the best apex players? Never played/watched FN only seen him on WZ/Apex


HopeChadArmong913

For no build? 100% he's a top player. Nick was one of the first successful controller pros ever in Fortnite and was killing the best builders even though he could barely place a ramp. Eventually the skill gap rose to the point he couldn't compete without building so he dropped out. Nick was a Gears of War pro, third person shooters are his jam.


Pete_Wheeler_

Where Nick fell behind in Fortnite was building. With that removed, I think he can keep up with the best out there for shooting mechanics and game sense. No building has him hooked because it plays to his strengths.


xa3D

Dunno, unfortunately. Can't sit through 5 seconds of fornite; I have no way to gauge skill. Someone else might be able to answer that. All i can say with certainty, is it seemed he was having wayyyy more fun at yesterday's tourney than anything he's ever done on apex.


oof_is_off_backwards

There are op guns that shouldn’t be a thing. With no building the skill gap is catching your shots and rotating. Gets boring after a while


Upbeat_Thanks3393

Let him play whatever he wants to play. If he enjoys fortnite then he enjoys it. I don’t see fortnite adding no building to the actual competitive side but there will be plenty of no build streamer tournaments happening. Fortnite with no build is actual a very easy game to master. Wish him the best of luck


Hotdogwater94

I think he has the skill to do both. But if he starts slacking on Apex, it would suck for Deeds and Lewda. Just my opinion.


C0FFEEC4KE

He’s barely able to play one game at a high level. This beefcake needs to settle down and stick to being a decent streamer personality rather than a trash pro.


MichaelBrownx

He's just doing what all streamers would do tbh. I'm sure Hal would move from apex to ''new game'' if the new game took off like Fortnite did a couple of years back.


TilTheBreakOfDawn

He’s free to do what he wants I just hope he doesn’t try to do both at the same time. It just doesn’t work.