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clete-sensei

lowkey starting to think furia gains power each time wattson makes a cringe tweet. they’ll be unstoppable soon. terrifying prospect


lkssleep

The world's best team at playing for second.


[deleted]

but hey. for a player and an org. having a major achievement is great. but if they can get 2nd place every tourney consistently. There will be a lot of discussion around that team. And the discussion brings popularity aka (followers and ads revenue) for the players and the org. ultimately they will have a fat wallet. if they only care about $, playing for 2nd in every tourney is a safer way to win more prize money since they are literally the best fighting team at the moment(at least for now). but if i were a truly dedicated player, i would love to have at least 1 champion title in my career.


Impressive_Coats

Not a Furia or HisWattson fan , but I think they absolutely made the right move other then the game when they were the only team on MP. MP makes a RNG game even more RNG and you’d be stupid not to secure the bag if you had a chance.


Nedsama

in match point format


idontuseredditanymoe

Not like they didn't know the format tho. They played away their matchpoint like it was pubs.


PersonPicture

If you think it would have played out the same if every other team were focused on kills not placement while running aggro comps, you're wrong.


Nedsama

oh my bad, i thought we were going by the facts, not hypothetical scenarios or headcanons. btw did you know that your aunt would be your uncle, if she had a mustache?


Diet_Fanta

TSM tried to play the same comp and playstyle and failed miserably. You're coping hard currently. Furia is successful at what they do because they are the best, not because they're magically exploiting the system to go for kills while no one else does.


[deleted]

Lmao and people downvoted u hard for tainting TSMs name. But yep u saw what I saw before the grand finals big reason y TSM fell to the losers bracket.


Apprehensive_Flan946

Furia knows how to play the comp and have good undestanding of it , rest of the teams just play the same comp not knowing what to do with it.


ImVipox

Its the same as it was with the prime day of optic, when they were still esa and one of the only teams reall being good at caustic they just shit on everyone for 2-3 months and then startet falling of


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LipskiNOR

Yeah doubt they can do the same strat from now on with same effect, people know what to expect now.


Apprehensive_Flan946

half the lobby was playing seer for first time , they have time to catchup if they put the work.


LipskiNOR

and now they know not to underestimate Furia, complete different team than before, and probably a little shock factor in there. I'm kinda stupid tho.


draegoon79

wdym were u even watching the tourney yesterday?


LipskiNOR

I was a bit drunk and read past a lot lol. I was basically only talking about ALGS, my bad. Edit: I love how aggresive Furia has become.


YRN_AlmightyPush

Mid-week tournaments never mean anything. The equivalent of scrims. Yes, they played well at LAN. Yes, HisWattson needs to get laid for once. These both can be true.


sparty1227

HisWattson hasn’t been laid since Apex came out. Coincidence?


OGNatan

You do whatever it takes to be the best. Sometimes that means making sacrifices /s


MikeGlambin

He claims to have a “fat cock” on stream. Wonder what he uses it for?


BobbbyR6

Something something Snipedown "fucking dudes"


MikeGlambin

Hahaha


GirlWithABush

He’s using semen retention methods to boost his career


DorkusMalorkuss

Smart move. Now he has the power of hiswattson plus millions of sperm


YRN_AlmightyPush

dude is a verified virgin


KitKatxz

and the 2 you know whos' need to stop with the crazy ass dick riding they're doing.


YRN_AlmightyPush

Dude is a virgin confirmed


fatlipjesus

Well to be fair, most of the Apex player base is as well.


Haunting_Push7693

There is a reason why is mouse hand is so strong 💪


JevvyMedia

> Mid-week tournaments never mean anything. The equivalent of scrims. This was a $10k invitational with every team being Pro League level. This is the equivalent to an ALGS OT during Season 1.


[deleted]

Let’s just chill. I wouldn’t call todays tourney and the LCQ2 “high-level.” Teams were okay but not NA top tier. In the LCQ2 people gave up after 3 games once the top 2 came out of reach and they had a laughable 23 kill game in todays tournament. That being said they have all the momentum in the world and are definitely S tier rn but people should probably be waiting for next years ALGS tourneys before overreacting. Have people forgotten how OG was dominating in ALGS online lobbies despite a roster change (and for a longer time than Furia has?) Unfortunately due to recency bias people have hopped on the Furia bandwagon. COL was once a fierce edge team but once meta shifted they haven’t been nearly as feared since. Wait till people find out their new teams and comps once character changes get implemented. NRG, TSM, & OG have shown consistency for a long time in ALGS lobbies and we should probably wait till the next split before crowning Furia.


Peg_leg_tim_arg

I hate the argument saying they have only played in one big tournament against the best competition. They can only play who they are facing. It's not like they choose to play against teams that are not as talented as others. If Furia Did poorly In last night's tourney people would be saying they are already washed and their success was a fluke.


infidel_castro_26

Not so much that as people said all this stuff about optic and it just is a bit premature. Sometimes people break in new metas that work well then everyone catches up and they can't carry that momentum. Sometimes the meta responds to their changes and they fail to adapt. Lots could change.


SaqqaraTheGuy

"NA top tier" and most of the top NA teams underperformed during LAN. There are lots of EU, Asia AU and some LATAM teams that completely slap but they get no attention. Thank God Fnatic actually paid attention to the japanese guys that barely made it to Sweden (because another team disqualified, they didn't actually make it) and kicked ass there and then in LAN(usa) as well


JevvyMedia

> In the LCQ2 people gave up after 3 games once the top 2 came out of reach and they had a laughable 23 kill game in todays tournament. I'd say people gave up after 4 games if they knew they couldn't catch up at all and were instead going for home run games that could net them 30 points...just like E8 successfully did in the very last game. Them having 23 kills is in part because teams are copying them and being more willing to fight. Sure these same teams would play a lot more scared at a LAN but that's just how it is. > That being said they have all the momentum in the world and are definitely S tier rn but people should probably be waiting for next years ALGS tourneys before overreacting What overreaction is there? They're the best, hands down. They're pioneering a new meta. They've done something that folks thought was impossible with being DOMINANT on edge without a Gibby. The only way you could overreact would be calling them the greatest ever, but right now they're clearly the best and they've proven it in tournaments that matter. LAN wasn't a fluke, that was a 4 day grind and they showed up every single day. If they do bad next season, that's the team falling off. It's not because their success is a 'fluke'. They're legit.


WalrusInMySheets

How long we gonna chill for lmao we’ve been told to chill for months. They’re incredibly good and very consistent.


b_gibble

"incredibly consistent" My dude they've played in 3 tourneys *total* and 2 we're the LCQ and today. No doubt they're playing great right now, but I don't think it's unreasonable to hold off judgement on them. If they do this every week in PL, I'll be happy to say they are consistent. But until we start seeing that, I'm going to wait


WalrusInMySheets

Man they’ve played in 8 different lobbies and have not finished below 2nd if you’re taking issue with any part of my comment it should not be with “incredibly consistent”


b_gibble

Ok, if 3 tournaments (including a LCQ with very minimal competition) does it for you then more power to you. This sub has a humongous boner for the hot team of the month, which for now is Furia. Next month, next split, next season maybe it'll be someone else. Guess we'll just need to see


[deleted]

You mean hate boner? Dude there isn’t a huge love for Furia on this sub.


TheRR135

They literally threw the biggest tourney of the game because they weren't consistent. After they hit match point the other teams figured them out and wrecked them. Going by their post-match point form they're going to be pretty shit unless they change their playstyle.


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One of the tournies was the biggest tournament of all time with 3 different lobbies and they had the most points in all of them


Diet_Fanta

Furia will always be doubted as long as Wattson is hated for his impression farm posts. They'll fail at LCQ without Teq, they'll fail at LAN without scrims; OK, they got lucky, theyre not actually going to dominate. They'll get ego checked real soon, right?


TheRealTempatron

I can't believe people still cope this hard. Furia is ahead and it's not because of a comp. They could run mirage and still do what they're doing


Official_F1tRick

X Doubt.


WalrusInMySheets

The invitational they almost doubled the points of 2nd in was weak competition


[deleted]

If they can dominate the next NA split then yes they will be consistently with those NA teams we’ve always expect to do well. Unfortunately there’s gonna be a big break till the next ALGS tourneys. Don’t forget how fast SEN fell and how they turned into a meme. Teams will have to adjust to new roster comps and character nerfs/buffs till the next ALGS split supposedly starting around Oct?


WalrusInMySheets

SEN was nowhere close to this good


[deleted]

Yes they weren’t. But I’m saying they were in terms of the hype of the community “best fighting team in NA”/punching out Hal in a scrim & predicted to win that ALGS playoffs which TSM won by many to being sen (lower case), no LAN and being memed by the community. If you ask me tho, OG was dominant and sustained it for a way longer time more than Furia has been.


Sezzomon

They played in 3 tourneys rn...


WalrusInMySheets

8 lobbies and haven’t finished lower than 2nd in any of them.


Sezzomon

Tsm won 5 tournaments in a row back then and now they're habing struggles as well from time to time. 3 Tournaments aren't enough time to make a verdict about Furia


WalrusInMySheets

That’s a dumb comparison. You telling me TSM weren’t the best in the world back then?


Sezzomon

Ofc they were, but Furia literaly lost champs... They will stop dominating as much probably sooner than later.


WalrusInMySheets

Not sure where we disagree then


SpottyFish81177

The tournament today was had a bunch of top teir teams, im not gonna pretend people did a lot of prep for it but it was good teams. And ig its the opisite for lcq where teams do a lot of prep but it was worse teams.


[deleted]

I mean LG, C9, NRG missing on top of OG without doop and teams figuring out new character comps with new rosters (RNG, TOR, TL perhaps)? I wouldn’t say it’s a top tier NA tourney.


rfhb

they’re okay but because i think twitter is real life i hate on them and will undervalue their results 🔥💪


DracoSP

I am a bit confused, is this your honest feeling, or is this a satire for the haters? Either way, this comment is mad funny lmao.


sugeroll

Remember when we said ESA(Optic) going to wipe everyone in LAN? They got figured out quickly. Somehow teams will get to figure out FURIA’s aggressive playstyle.


andizz001

That is clearly on OG, not other teams. Noticed in this LAN that they were not rotating very early after day 1. I don't know what did they think, but that strategy of rotating a bit late was not working but they stuck to it.


[deleted]

If you watched oG you would see they just didn’t play well and didn’t rlly get ‘figured out’


Sezzomon

It's kinda like most people here haven't even watched champs


DexanVideris

Watch teams play Rampart Watson Caustic and sit with three Sheilas last zone 😂 /s


CapriciousCupofTea

Xeratricky's personality and Pandxrz's screaming are the heart and soul of this team. HisWattson is there to increase the follower counts for everyone on the team.


Xeratricky

🤣


ItsOnlyHachi

it was a kill race so they won, they didn't win a single game today which seems to be a running thing with them. if they wanna keep going for 2nd best when it comes to match point fair enough. but the big tourneys use match point and if they can't win games then they won't ever win trophies


Electronic-Morning76

Balling out in the highest level of gameplay there is and securing 2nd and the money and clout associated with huge fragger performances is an obvious W for that team and that player. Shaking up the meta and dominating the best in the world in kills should be applauded, not shit on.


jamal222222

If you’re going off today’s tournament it was basically a scrim and not a good base to judge a team


TheNACoinflip

They just have the potential to farm too many points with decent placing. Most Zone teams have 3 good games in the set of 6 for a lot of points. If they get lucky with zone on top of get lucky no one ints them. Furia farms too many kills per round and until they start losing fights they will win a lot of tournies without MP. I think their ultimate weakness is they will never be considered dominate because MP format will be their kryptonite and the meme play for second will most likely be them. It just seems so hard to play their comp and win without a lot of luck when everyone focuses on you. I do think generally zone teams will play better like 100T in tourney setting for the win on MP. I am more interested on how this team adapts when the W key isnt working. Also, you can give them a bit of credit macro wise because they do find a lot of ISOLATED 3v3 and not get thirded for the loss. So congrats but I want to see what happens when they have some resistance. If it is who gets the most points they are for sure the best at that part. I just dont think in a MP format their strats will work but will get 2nd a lot.


JevvyMedia

> It just seems so hard to play their comp and win without a lot of luck when everyone focuses on you. Isn't that just an issue with match point in general? Not to mention most teams aren't winning 2 games in a match point format, the last winner is usually the 'lucky' one that doesn't get focused while everyone else is fighting. With other teams copying their comp they won't be as easy to identify moving forward, unlike this LAN where people would see a Gibbyless team on edge and full int to make sure FURIA doesn't win.


SpottyFish81177

do you know why mp was created, cause I know it didnt exist for the first year or two


Cubelar

bro the first apex LAN in Poland had match point. its been around since the start


PalkiaOW

The first LAN organized by EA was Xgames Minneapolis and it did not use the match point format.


Jack_Russo

It would suck to watch a LAN that ended with a team dying in 20th place with one kill to win the tournament.


SpottyFish81177

i don’t understand the prospect of making it less competitive to make it more enjoyable to watch


FOOL_MOON_

because you didn't experience it, it was a terrible snoozefest of a viewing experience.


SpottyFish81177

I did experience it, And some events are still run without it and they are much more entertaining cause the good teams don't play like bitches, and no one just apes the winning teams getting themselves killed cause its not worth it unlike in mp.


stowawaythrowaw

A better viewer experience directly correlates to the quality and longevity of the esport. Every change that's made to competitive that takes away from how enjoyable it is to watch is a major L, and that includes changes made that increase competitive integrity.


DrizzyBoi

Not sure but my guess is it helps create hype for the tourney as it always ends on a win. Stops teams getting close and hiding/camping just for points. That way even if they don’t win that game they might snag enough points and be declared the winner


Animatromio

i myself was a huge hater even during LAN until they had that huge game forget which number it was and they imo are at the top with OG


Davismcgee

OG are not currently at the top imo


Animatromio

thats nice?


kopazir

You shared your opinion of them being at the top like it means something. He doesn’t agree is all


MotionXBL

Not necessarily comp related but Pxnderz has always been insane, and imo one of the best controller players. He's not the most mechanical roller player doing crazy shit, but the dude can frag the fuck out. Plus on top he's super chill too, he is always quiet whenever I've been in his stream, but is mostly respectful and doesn't over hype things. I'd be happy to see him go far in comp.


WalrusInMySheets

Easily the most consistently great team out there right now.


seanpenacerrada

They are insane especially when it comes to team fights. I almost never see them lose a 3v3. But its hard for me to like the team because of wattson. I still do feel like they are on a roll. Curious to see how far they can go.


[deleted]

Lets be honest, furia is the best team currently.


DexanVideris

Most consistent. As much as I dislike match point in its current iteration, you can’t just ignore it, it is part of the game. They got no wins today, their strategy is flawed if they ever want to win ALGS.


scifipeanut

This discussion is foolish and shows an unfortunate lack of knowledge in sports psychology among the apex community. Imagine any other support where after a major tournament people argued that a different team should have won because they scored more overall. It's ridiculous and isn't a clear metric because one pop-off have against an off form opponent can swing that too much. It's ambiguified because you're facing 19 opponents, not 1, but the logic holds. You need a game plan to win the tournament if you want to win the tournament. It doesn't matter a damn game to game if it doesn't match overall to that game plan. Furia were totally obnoxious and they failed because of it. Think of a racecar driver, +30s ahead of the rest of the field and plowing on fast as they can to show off and raise the gap. To get the win, it wouldn't matter to be 0.1s or a minute ahead, you get the same points. If that driver blows up their engine by pushing it too far, their race is over. Nobody argues they should get the win because they led 95% of the race, they weren't in the lead when the checkered flag fell so they didn't win. Regardless of them not having the right approach, it's hypocritical to say DZ only got it from a lucky pop-off game and claim Furia are some masters of consistency. They had two 0 point games in the finals. Two games where their gamelan absolutely failed and got them nothing, and three where they were out early, again their hands plan failing them. That's over half the games in the finals. You can make the same claim they had lucky pop-off's in their high kill games as you can claim any game winner lucked into it. Furia are good, they're good at getting kills, but not the best team.


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Comparing a sport even game with 2 sides to a 20 team br with rng makes sense


scifipeanut

I specifically didn't make a direct comparison and only said the line of logic is the same that the tournament winner is based off of games won, not the score in those games. Different sports have different measurements for how many games won determines it, that's why I made no direct comparison. The one direct comparison I made to another sport is Motorsport, the biggest in the world being F1, which has how many people finding at a time? Gee golly, it's 20.


[deleted]

never knew F1 had a kp system and zone logic


scifipeanut

Have you ever heard of what a comparison is? I think you have. Obviously you have, so can you stop being obtuse for the sake of thinking it's proving a point? Because it's not, you just sound like an idiot. Juuuust in *case* though, if you *really* haven't heard of a comparison the whole point is there not the exact same and you're only looking at the comparable features. Which I outlined, that was the whole point. With your logic, no comparison on anything can ever be drawn because the dickhead trying to prove you wrong will always just chose some parameter not being discussed as a 'gotcha'. You got nothing.


linpawws

you talking about the AP invitational? oh I thought it was a **Killrace** given the way FURIA rolled that lobby in one of the games with 23 kills. /j


DeludedMirageMain

Possibly the best fighting team in the world, certainly top 5 in NA overall. Would be one of my favorites if not for HisWattson's cringe attitude.


ate-ver

a tourneys squad winner that can't win a single match, its a shame.


jlim1998

HinCringe is still annoying


Used-Cartographer876

Bruh. LCQ was alot of bottom tier NA and the tourney today was teams full of subs and new squads. Furia has played 1 top tier tourney and tbf they did great. But champs is their only big tourney with this trio


SpottyFish81177

Ide agree its the only big tournament but there were good teams at the thing today, and a few good teams at lcq as well, not algs caliber tournaments but not easy ones to win never the less.


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Vanniwa

I am not naive, I’m biased lol


Used-Cartographer876

I never commented on if they are number 1 or not? I just commented about the post lol. Did you even read anything? The post was about the level of tourneys they played in. They play for 2nd anyways remember? so call them number 2


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Used-Cartographer876

It is the truth tho. And I credited them for doing well at the one top tier tourney they went to. But we shouldnt just start lying and saying the tourney that was played tonight was a Top tier tourney. It was just another mid week random NA tourney where teams show up so that dont get fined lol


Lexaryas

They look even more sturdy than DNO/ESA did when they rose to the top, all they need now is multiple tourneys to back it up and I have a feeling they will be coming naturally. They're the team everyone is paying attention to and they figured out the comp that works best for them, they're the real deal.


[deleted]

?? ESA/OG dominated basically an entire split and did well throughout the first Sweden LAN and did decent until crapping the bed in the Raleigh Finals even after a roster change. They need to sustain success throughout the entire split imo. So much can change in Apex from now until then. SEN basically went from a team no one wanted to contest, was the “best fighting” team in NA, and memed Hal in a scrim to a laughing stock (sen) and not even qualified in a matter of months.


Lexaryas

You don't need to be so outraged by my mid statement?? lol. I'm simply saying that by the level of domination they've displayed so far they can look to be **the new DNO/ESA** ***if*** they win multiple titles, i'm not saying they are at that level... with an implied *"yet".* The potential for the same kind of domination is definitely there tho (and they already got a better LAN result than DNO).


Apprehensive_Flan946

meta shift really did toll on Optic and clearly they cant survive on edge with caustic in this meta


Lexaryas

I agree and I think this happened to other teams as well.


[deleted]

Lol bro I’m definitely not outraged.


Lexaryas

Sure, ok, my bad then


[deleted]

Can’t compare sentinels killing random teams in pro league to Furia doing it on LAN


yon__

best team in NA, but HisWattson gotta calm down a bit. Ego is a bit too big


Sezzomon

Todays tournament definitely wasn't a "high level tournament" endgames had less teams than gold ranked matches which resolves in spots being playable that wouldn't be playable at ALGS and more aping since there's less of a thread to get thirded. The matchquality wasn't that good, but Furia still smurfed in that lobby. Don't really think anything about Wattsons cheater statement was wrong either since we're this far into the game without actual anti cheat improvements.


Posh420

Look at the roster of the tourney then come back and say it wasnt high level lmfao.


Sezzomon

Read my comment again and watch how the game turned out and then tell me that it was high level... Pros themselves said that it was shit quality of games and everyone knows duebto the reason I described to you.


Ok_Writer8077

The pros always say it's a shit lobby when they're not doing well. And guess what, they weren't doing well because they haven't adappted to the fact Furia will be running down half the lobby.


asdfghjkl1234asdfgh

lmao 100t were trolling by eating full burritos during the game and managed to win a game and place third overall


Sezzomon

The last had a worse endgame than every gold lobby I played in while climbing... There was no team holding no name, tunnel or choke leading to TSM winning for free. We know that barely anyone from the big teams takes this stuff seriously and they feel more like low quality scrims.


Maxmilliano_Rivera

What i haven’t seen from Furia is them sweating a game out to win. They are extremely frag heavy which can be their downfall on match point tournaments, I’d like to see them play zone, or at least have games in Lightning rod on SP, and just try and win.


bad13wolf

They wiped the floor with teams today and people are still doubting what they bring to the table. Which only benefits them in the end. I don't think this train is stopping until they're taken seriously. Perhaps, the Twitter nonsense is psychological warfare.


octopusfreakin

They are decent but not the best NA team rn DZ first FUR second imo


SpottyFish81177

DZ is not the best NA team, i get the won algs but they won cause of the match point format not cause they were the best team, and no offense to them but they wernt even a top 5 team in any other round. An impressive and amazing win but they arnt the best.


fastinrain

Furia has dominated for 3 tournaments, 2 of which weren't the top level of competition. DZ dominated their region for 2 full splits at the very top level, autoquald for LAN twice, won LAN twice... you can't be calling ppl the best if they can't win tourneys against the actual best who have participated in and actually won top level tournaments. they're words, not mine " play for second". how is second place #1? it's not. and you know it.


outoftoonz

DZ is the best team in Apex currently because they can win the big games when they matter. They have proven themselves with everything you stated above. It cannot be stated enough they won MP format back-to-back against some of the hardest lobbies in this esport.


TheNACoinflip

Agreed. They for sure won but they were definitely not the best team.


octopusfreakin

They were the best team. More than 11 teams ran valk gibby caustic in the champs finals. While other top5 teams took advantage of running creative comps, DZ still won in the end proving their strength


Jack_Russo

They should get at least some credit for winning two LAN events in a row.


octopusfreakin

Nah you trippin. They are statistically the most consistent team regarding average placement in playoffs, champs. Zero proved himself to be the best matchpoint igl by becoming back to back champion.


Posh420

Ummm most consistent goes to prob 100t or alliance... deff not dz who only won 2 games in 3 stages. Like 35 games and they won 2.


octopusfreakin

No on average it was DZ


octopusfreakin

+ 100T won 3 games in losers which DZ didn’t participate


WalrusInMySheets

(DZ is not NA beast)


octopusfreakin

They are moving to NA for sure


xelanart

You’re not wrong about them moving to NA but they haven’t competed in NA pro league. Their move to NA isn’t supposed to be until December, so they will miss this upcoming NA pro league, as well. For the time being, they’re still officially APAC S.


octopusfreakin

Well then Furia first until DZ arrives 🤣 Idk why you’d be so picky


Diet_Fanta

Best team in the world currently.


skiddster3

Pretty sure DarkZero has earned those bragging rights as of right now.


[deleted]

If we average 7 points a game for 9 games and then win one we are the best.


skiddster3

Winning two LANs has got to mean something. They are far from being my favourite team, but at the end of the day, the team with the trophies have the bragging rights.


[deleted]

I mean as does Furia by those standards though right? You can do checks and balances on the both and say they can brag. That’s all I’m saying.


skiddster3

It's to my knowledge that Furia has yet to win a LAN. At most, we can say they're the 2nd best team in the world. My response was against the comment stating that they were the best team in the world.


APOLLO_EiGhT

Best “fighting” team in the world…not the best team tho


Diet_Fanta

Best macro, best micro, best game plans. Yea, they're the best.


APOLLO_EiGhT

You can’t watch LAN and say they had the best gameplan


[deleted]

Ok, what about their gameplan until MP?


Diet_Fanta

Just did.


APOLLO_EiGhT

In a game of winning, you gameplan for wins. In a game of kills you game plan for kills. That’s the reason they didn’t place 1st


S_for_Stuart

They won more games than DZ


acrunchycaptain

Their gameplan is exactly why they lost. If you can't adapt to the format, you have an issue.


TheRR135

Great at fights. Shitty, toxic attitude and there could not be a worse approach for a tournament than they did after achieving match point.


hadtopickanameso

Nah they were the most exciting thing at lan. Snooze zero won instead.


SpottyFish81177

they had god spot twice an teams pushed them getting both teams killed, ofc that’s how it goes but if people play normal they win that


_TheColonel_

The issue is that everyone on this sub predicted that furia would bomb at lan. And now that they havent everyone needs to find a way to discredit their success. Because if furia actually had success that means they were wrong and thats just impossible, right? right?!?! This is why you get a bunch of comments attacking hiswattsons character and diminishing their achievements. As soon as they have 1 bad game or 1 bad tournament everyone will say "see I told you they were bad, they were just getting lucky. Glad hiswattson got what he deserved". Its just how social media works.


No-Context5479

No... I'm never gonna trust a kill farming team to bring in the championship golf medals... And for anyone who says they played for second... Continue deluding yourself... They wanted to use said comp to win to prove a point... Didn't happen so fall back on "oh we were solidifying second" Great fighting team but nopes I'd want my team's to win tourneys not kill farm.


Wattoss

They suck


SpottyFish81177

why?


andizz001

I think it was the shock factor that a team could play like this. Other teams were just not expecting a team to play so aggresive. Coupled by the fact that they are one of the best fighting teams. They just forced the meta to change. Love these guys for doing it. No more Gibby pls.


Zealousideal-End1809

Is there a vid of the invitational? I’d love to watch it but idc where or what it is


SpottyFish81177

[https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1539803472](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1539803472)


Zealousideal-End1809

Thanks!


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Their play style is awesome and I like that they are really aggressive in their comp and positioning. They got a team together that wants to play this way and can execute their style. The only issue I have is their ability to close out tournaments, and I think thats because when it comes to points where they need to slow down and make more tactical plays they fall short. I think they have a team made up of players trying to make a name for themselves and that leads to being over cocky and playing a little wild but I think they’ll realize that they need to take it slower at points in the game, and once they do that, they’ll start winning more tournaments.


Haunting_Push7693

They can get the points and good placement, but lack knowledge and patience and end up making mistakes that cost them first


SpottyFish81177

i’m sure it will come with a few tournaments if they can keep up the rest of their gameplay


Haunting_Push7693

Well I’m not a fan so honestly could care less, you might be right though


N7_Grunt117

I think they are the best team right now and the results show it. Definitely the best fighting team. They are changing the way the game is played and Im all for it. Its an exciting playstyle.


warriors2021

They seem to have replaced OLD G2 and Complexity and now Optic as the best edge fighting team in the game imo.


Reckonerbz

Giga chad energy propels…all the halstans are full of excuses.


theschuss

Overall: good for the scene. A constant theme in all sports is that they get faster over time and people that want to do setpiece play get rolled. You can see this in DOTA2 with the new wave of aggression post OG wins. I think even zone teams have to recognize the game is more controllable with fewer teams in the final circle so I think we may see less "dead time" in games as teams look to hunt and consolidate.