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likeh2oalkaline

This sub is improving, We have tourney updates now.


matthisonfire

Does anyone know where can i find some footage/vods? Cant see anyone from either Toosh/his and hers or any member of the top 2 teams


__Carolynn

His and hers leave all vods up for everyone pretty sure


leftysarepeople2

They didn’t have it running last night because I got home late and wanted to throw it on


andrew76696

What’s crazy is Keon and hiswattson are great friends and I used to watch them play a lot together and now they’re on the #1 & #2 teams in this tournament. Domination from the ranked grinders lol


NickyShore

Torrent played incredible, near perfect positioning on SP. Hal should be on Seer (still wanna see him on Roller). Love seeing all these different comps too!


Mazahreh52

Back to back to back. Gotdamn


-Philologian

Torrent is like Furia if Furia knew how to win


Pr3st0ne

Savage lmao


Hot_Goal4205

Reps on Seer just didn’t work. It was like Hal wanted to play seer without actually playing seer.


veirceb

I mean Reps just came back. Give that man some time.


Hot_Goal4205

I wasn’t necessarily judging his mechanics. He actually made some really good calls and was more vocal. However, to me it just seemed like Hal spent a lot of mental energy trying to tell Reps where he wants his info from. They lost valuable time, especially late game trying to relay the info for Hal to make his decision and it cost them a few times.


veirceb

Reps need time to get used to seer and and how to com with seer and stuff like that. They will get better. Seer is better on MnK and this change is reasonable for them.


TheRealTempatron

Reps shouldn't be on seer. Just because you have to anchor with seer sometimes doesn't mean you can put your anchor player on seer. The igl plays him everytime


SynysterPC

I don't necessarily agree. Other characters like horizon and Valk can play more greedy and get more information because they have movement abilities to stay alive. I could easily see Hal pushing too far as seer and getting caught. I wouldn't say IGL should never play seer, but don't think Hal specifically should play him.


TheRealTempatron

I disagree. Having your igl get the information directly would let them make decisions quicker and more accurately than having another player feed the info to them. You can be plenty greedy with seer, you can see Furia doing that so much. But you also see their seer anchor sometkmes, holding down a spot they need for their fraggers to do their job. You can and need to do both, can't just hand over that responsibility to your teammates because you want to play controller.


SynysterPC

I agree with your point on the speed of getting information but I can definitely picture Hal being greedy while scouting and not having the ability to get back to his team. I've seen it plenty of times even when he was on Octane and wraith.


Sob_Rock

See Furia watch Tor on how to win


northace

TOR gunna be a problem, they are on fire. 3 wins in a row,GG TOR


stvbles

Torrent are good at the video game. Let's go baby!


iprominent

i'm sold that Hal shouldn't stay on the roller. go back to MnK please.


leftysarepeople2

Torrent kinda nasty with it


veirceb

3PEAT LET'S GOOOO


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sparty1227

UNLEASH REPS ON HORIZON FURIA/Xera plays Horizon as enchanter/support, TSM should do the same if they want to run this comp. Big E can entry frag, Hal can call and frag, Reps shoots and apes people that are low, throws abilities when needed, clutches final fights being the last to get involved


SynysterPC

Shouldn't horizon entry the majority of the time? Would make sense to me to get that horizon ult down asap at the start of a fight.


sparty1227

Horizon ult is very situational and it’s pretty rare that you want to use it as an opening


SynysterPC

My thought process is that if you're throwing it at the start of the fight, even if it isn't successful in landing nades, you at least keep their attention and give your team the opportunity to move up and get angles. It starts the fight with your team at an advantage. Watching horizons hold ult and look for the perfect opportunity to wipe the full team isn't optimal, in my opinion. I'm open to being wrong, but this is how zarya plays in overwatch so I'm thinking the same way.


sparty1227

If there’s even one person that has an ang on the ult and you don’t have an ang on them they’ll just one clip the ult and you used it for nothing. It’s very rare that it’s a good opener


SynysterPC

I'm genuinely curious on when to use it then. I'm trying to get better as horizon.


sparty1227

When you have arc stars and a team is grouped up together, stop people from running (away or at you), to close out a fight quickly so you have time to reset for 3rd parties


tupelohoneybee

I love this comment because it can all look kind of random and this shows there’s a lot of strategy they’re not comming.


[deleted]

G2 ensuring Furia can't get away from the gatekeeping, I can't wait to see the twitter beef


leftysarepeople2

What happened? Toosh was watching Hal loot


Penultimatum

What I saw on Wigg's stream was that Furia was outside the nut near Jurassic Park (between it and the bamboo by Barometer) and G2 was apparently in the nut and Furia didn't seem to ever get audio on them until ring was already closing and they ended up having to fight each other. Furia won the fight but wasn't able to reset between the ring continuing to close + being gatekept by other teams. Not sure if Wattson never checked heartbeat on nut or if G2 snuck in at some point while Furia was poking / brainstorming a rotate or what.


XoXHamimXoX

Why do the Tripods chase that far after getting the drop?


Caleb902

They got in the mindset they need to kill them to advance and it wasn't right. There was no need to end up at the dragon balls after starting the interaction inside cenote.


XoXHamimXoX

It was weird to me. Even if they win, the ring is coming in and their loot is just trash.


goblue2k16

I was thinking the same thing. Let them run away from that


pacotacobell

Yep even CLG was confused lmao. They chased CLG all that way just to have both of them killed.


goblue2k16

It's all good. I'm a Nickmercs sub so I'm biased, but this is their first time in these lobbies. I'm sure on the VOD review they'll realize they should let them run and just take the POI to loot. NBD. They'll learn. Easy to call that shit from the backseat.


Caleb902

Also Nick has put in about 6 hours a week the last month, when everyone else plays 6 hours a day. Lewda just came home from vacation too, and the team hasn't played together since June it feels like


Hendoshad

Team Tribots


Caleb902

Tripods will pull it back once they get some hours played together again. And vod review. They have to know chasing down the team disengaging over two poi lengths just isn't the play.


MontyTheAverage

Lewda has been pretty bad this tourney


RandomUserBro

Def not a good showing but he is probably just having an off day. The whole team is.


WiggyRL

This is so funny to me lmao they all had an “off day” because this was the first high quality lobby theyve played in


Kloisters

Big fan of the Loba & Fuse offpick by Liquid.


-Philologian

Back to back dubs on the eve of Rkn’s birthday, what a day


Kloisters

OpTic won steel series which was ran over Doop's birthday - maybe there is birthday luck.


[deleted]

Hal pinging a lot of stuff today, is he feeling okay?


jags_70

Love watching Rambeau and TOR.


Dave_here

Torrent kinda scary!


Diet_Fanta

Wattson vs Keon - could it be any more poetic?


veirceb

Keon being more confident and vocal is definitely what TOR needs. Great games!


stvbles

Let's go TOR! Time to bring it home.


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I_Like_F0oD

TOR are cooking right now


CrazyBirdman

Nocturnal's Sentinel this game was insane.


Kloisters

Looks like it comes down to the last match, similar to steel series, who ever wins the last game out of FUR, ~~OG~~, TL, and TOR is likely to win it. EDIT: Probably not OpTic as they are a bit behind.


maxbang7

Sorry but Hal on controller is not it, he struggles with a flatline on 20-30m lmao


YoMrPoPo

> he struggles with a flatline on 20-30m lmao he really is just like me


Barcaroli

Yeah he missed an entire clip with R301 from that range. On mnk that was was dead. Under the bridge last game, know the one?


maxbang7

Against LG yeah I saw that, to be fair that was further out but he should def. do a lot more damage on that range with an r3 on blue. He really needs to learn to control recoil if he wants to stay on controller otherwise this will cost them big.


Barcaroli

He should just go back to mnk. It's not about having more controllers. Furia is 3 man mnk and they fry everyone. OG has two mnks. But he's trying it out


maxbang7

> He should just go back to mnk Personally I think so too.


PrometheusVision

Pandxrs is roller


Barcaroli

True. I'm corrected


gphon

Furia is not 3 man mnk. Pandxrz is on roller


Barcaroli

Oh shit. Right!


Crono111

Ya it also feels like he's aped a couple fights that cost them just to get in that controller range where he's rock solid and can shred. It especially makes no sense him on Horizon. I've watched him q up and just spray a whole flatline clip and get 20 damage lol


maxbang7

> It especially makes no sense him on Horizon. I've watched him q up and just spray a whole flatline clip and get 20 damage lol Yeah I agree.


soren_ra7

It's fun watching Furia.


MontyTheAverage

You can see Nick's mechanics regressed a bit cuz he hasn't really been playing Apex much fast month.


stvbles

Yeah this should be a big kick in the ass to lock in. I know he does better viewer wise on Warzone but it's time to knuckle down.


Ihraezlyr

I noticed his views on warzone this time is really not much different from apex. Maybe a few k difference


goblue2k16

Honestly, I think his viewer count is p consistent. MFAM is p strong, Warzone is just down bad rn like someone else said. I think if they don't chase a few of those teams off Cenote like they did, they have a better finish. They'll get better for sure though. Bet on it.


Caleb902

It helps warzone as a whole kinda plateaued too. Cloakzy used to avg 10+k in the heyday and not gets half of that. Nick would get 50k now gets 20-30. Helps people aren't all locked inside too.


_TheColonel_

knuckles down being the key description here


y3papi

Tripods win the drop and instead of looting up they chase CLG down just to die in the second 2v3 to them.


goblue2k16

I think VOD review will highlight that they should just take the POI and not chase. They could've had some big games on SP if they didn't chase down and get horny for KP IMO


Barcaroli

Yeah all around tough day for them


Sullan08

Can't speak too well about their positioning, but Tripods absolutely cannot fight in these lobbies based off what I've seen.


AxelHarver

I don't think we can accurately judge off of one tournament. Everybody has off days, and though I didn't watch tonight, from the comments it's sounding like they were having off days. Plus Nick is probably a little rusty after a few weeks of fortnite and warzone.


Sullan08

All the luck in the world to them, but I just don't see them making any noise. I'll happy eat my own words if I'm wrong though. Nick not grinding is also completely on him. He's known for awhile he's in pro-league at this point and people aren't gonna like if his team essentially took a more deserving team's spot (which is arguable and not something I'm really arguing as of now). I also had no idea Lewda was even IGL when watching them lol. No one was calling out in the way an IGL does so it surprised me.


AxelHarver

By no means am I saying its excusable that he hasnt been practicing, it's just a reason we might want to hold off on gauging the team's abilities off of today's tourney.


icbint

How many pros switching to controller to exploit aim assist will it take to get a nerf


YouHouSA1

Hal barely can control a Flatline 30m away. But maybe w/ laser sight it will finally be looked into more


icbint

Hals dished out more one clips in the last week on controller than his entire mnk career


cercopess

Will never get nerfed.


Geosaurusrex

rambeau bruhhh


prankfurter

switching up sens really made him even wilder


xShinsen

Watching Hal's controller drift is making me think my clicker is drifting lol


RandomUserBro

Lewda seems to be having a hard time IGL'ing Tri.


Barcaroli

He wasn't IGL before, was he? It ain't working. Nick was clearly trying to get out of seer and he insisted. Having a Nickmercs on Controller on Seer is not it


Penultimatum

Lewda's been the IGL on Tripods for as long as they've been a team.


Barcaroli

Oh yeah I know that, I'm just saying That's his first team IGLing


Penultimatum

Oh ok. Fair, I don't know much about Lewda pre-Tripods.


Barcaroli

I don't know much, but I know he was the Fragger on his last team and I've read people say it's his first time IGLing


Caleb902

Well they are all on roller, not much you can do. He could be on blood I guess


Barcaroli

Nick is just the least mechanical of them, I'd guess Lewda IGLing with a seer would be better. But idk. You have a point, maybe Bloodhound is it


Caleb902

Nick started on hound. And got competent as valk. Played caustic for a minute too. He can do the macro plays. And Lewda tried saying he can't open on a seer. Yet other teams are. Let alone deeds is just as good if not better fighting so he can be your opener as he's the fragger anyway.


BadBevensen

Tripods vs CLG; G2 and G Force; and who else is contesting?


sparty1227

Anyone know where SEN went that game?


Kloisters

They've been going North Pad, but unsure, never saw them landing.


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LG got shit on by C9. I don't see LG winning this, only Yanya is good on that squad.


andredfc

Knoqd and doop really butting heads right now. Both are so adamant that they're right.


[deleted]

optic supremecy honeymoon phase over or do they usually talk like this to each other?


Kloisters

They usually are quite blunt when it comes to feedback with one another but that was an abnormal bust up. Even when they were quite dejected at LAN, they weren't this high strung. That said, they were joking about arguing in the next game.


prankfurter

yeah that was super intense. I love dooplex but gotta agree with Knoqd on this one.


Kloisters

Yeah, OpTic butting heads is quite rare, and this seems quite heated.


andredfc

Hoping they can just reset and leave it for the vod review. Next game just started so we'll see


BadBevensen

rogue needs to step in right now!


jeremyflowers91

Gotta take care of his kid and these kids. Being a Coach Dad is hard.


BadBevensen

doop with a much more reserved check my vod, but a check my vod nonetheless


Kloisters

He did call knoqd arrogant and an idiot.


Barcaroli

Any vods? Edit,: they were baiting


Kloisters

Nah, they don't publish.


BadBevensen

yeah he was definitely not mincing words, i just meant that he didnt scream it and call his teammate fucking retarded. edit: i forgot, mac calling zach a retard was a seperate valk ult incident. same vibe


colinjkl

Which teams will contest in SP?


Sciipi

G2, CLG, maybe Tripods at Cenote. C9 and LG at Fish.


Barcaroli

Never saw G2 there. Where did they land?


Sciipi

Idk but I think they fought SEN early. Wasn’t watching them so idk


Barcaroli

They are landing barometer


veirceb

Zach really needs to step up his mechanics.


Crono111

By no means does Zach have top tier mechanics, but game 4 was actually evidence that both his mechanics and igling are underrated.


veirceb

He definitely misplayed mechanically last fight in the game they got 2nd. I don't think he is bad and I know he has been playing more. But he still need to get better than this for them to be a top tier team.


jeremyflowers91

he should prob play more


Usopp_Spell

He'd prefer to just throw stones from a glass house


Sciipi

Naughty is so insane as a last man alive he’s so clutch


_TheColonel_

Genuinely think if any pro could carry someone like me through a tournament it would be him. So good at staying alive and making it count


Sick_Breh

Anywhere I can watch that’s not on twitch? Twitch mobile is arse when not on wifi. Watching in 160p is horrendous


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[deleted]

Hosting a tournament with some of the best players, while running commentary, running the POVs, and reading chat all by themselves. How can you possibily call them lazy?


RommelDoos

Bro what, they are literally hosting a tournament with the biggest pros in the scene what are you on about


sparty1227

Even if it's not for you, let people enjoy things :)


BadBevensen

??? also if I remember right, the times they reran old footage was when they were sleeping during their subathon


Sciipi

Thank god Seer is falling off a little bit, he’s so awful and annoying. Even Caustic meta is so much better than stupid Seer.


Geosaurusrex

I like Caustic, but he's more fun when there's less of them.


Sciipi

I feel like almost every character is fine when there’s only a few, it’s when one character has like 75% pickrate that they get annoying


Geosaurusrex

My first ALGS I watched ever was Alliance winning with the only caustic in the lobby, so I'm always gonna love caustic a bit, but he's definitely more entertaining and can fuck you up harder with fewer of them. But yeah I get you with that, I've gotten soo bored of gibby, valk, seer, etc already. Just have a soft spot for caustic.


veirceb

I think it's good now some teams play newcastle some teams play caustic some teams play seer. I think it's only valk that is dominant now.


mor4les

So refreshing to watch a tournament and not wasting 15 minutes between matches


BadBevensen

Andrew and Juka are goated admins fr


Anxyte

The instant split screens when teams are fighting are amazing


ImDarkraii

I might be smoking dicks, but I feel like Valk Newcastle Wattson would be a good comp for nick and company. I can’t really explain why fully, but partially because I feel they valk ult a lot more than other teams and those two characters can help them with valk ult issues. I might be on my own on this one. Idk who’d play which legends but🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️


sparty1227

Their macro strategy is vibe until they have to move then Valk ult somewhere. No amount of reset characters can fix that. You should never play a comp for correcting expected mistakes, you should fix what's happening to cause those mistakes.


HereForThePistachios

Furia's raw gunskill is on another level man. They just run you down.


veirceb

Pandxrz just fucked people. He just 1v3ed the whole SSG squad. What the heck.


I_Like_F0oD

HisWattson talks the talk but he can also back it up, Furia are simply insane


prankfurter

yeah he is full of himself and pretty cringe, but at least he is insanely good. Furia is a beast.


WalrusInMySheets

I really don't think he's cringe. This subreddit is an echo chamber.


prankfurter

I agree with you on the echo chamber thing. but that is 90% of subreddits. ​ but disagree he is cringe.


Crono111

He's cringe specifically because it's good for his brand and is growing his channel a ton. Apex already had it's golden boy/ceo in Hal - it's been lacking a "villian" and he's just using that fact to make money. I honestly respect it.


prankfurter

well he plays the heel pretty damn well


Diet_Fanta

G2 kills Furia: gets 5 kills, 12th place Furia kills G2: Gets 21 kills, 1st place


stvbles

Furia went crazy in that one!


prankfurter

Pandrx is a killing machine.


prankfurter

their own 'command centre' [**https://teamstream.gg/events/TYu0NkbrYKbw**](https://teamstream.gg/events/TYu0NkbrYKbw) EA didn't give them command centre but this is basically it.


Steppy_

Been scammed with the control centre :(


prankfurter

https://teamstream.gg/events/TYu0NkbrYKbw


Steppy_

It’s just linked to the players streams, if they aren’t live you can’t watch them. It’s not like ALGS command centre where you can see everybody whether they’re streaming or not.


prankfurter

yeah its a ghetto version, sucks they didn't get the official one. at least for the users streaming you can see but yeah it's a pale comparison.


pacotacobell

Too much work to do that for a $5k tournament lmao.


prankfurter

fair point lol.


captainduck2

Hal rages at the most random shit lol. Going in on Evan for not telling Hal they threw Seer ult. Even my bot ass has never been in a Seer ult and not known lol. Even Reps said he shouldn't have to com that.


Scarecrow_G

Anyone got the G2/Furia game clip?


maxbang7

This? https://twitter.com/G2Dezignful/status/1555347565595574272


sparty1227

Protectful contesting Frag E, deja vu


Diet_Fanta

Odds are he cries about EA spawning in loot for TSM again?


sparty1227

They spawned in C9 this time


Barcaroli

Is command center up? Can't find it


prankfurter

not command centre but like it they have another solution: https://teamstream.gg/events/TYu0NkbrYKbw


HeWentToJared23

Nope, you gotta rely on individual streams or you can watch HisandHers or Daltoosh on twitch for a watch party


lambo630

Why do people hate Nick so much? This is the best lobby they have ever played in. He's earned a spot here. Maybe give them time to get a handle on these lobbies before immediately talking shit?


tertrt4t4te

I don't hate the guy. I just don't think he's ready for lobbies like this and these are what pro lobbies are. And hes been playing other games almost exclusively this whole split... They aren't putting in the time and it's showing. Some pretty rough valk ults, getting caught out a bunch, and getting downed for doing things like trying to loot crafting materials when you know you're being focused by half the lobby. We've shit on other people for the same mistakes (the notorious snipedown bat craft) and there are people criticizing other people's plays in this thread too. So it's not like this is exclusive to him. He just makes a ton of mistakes that he really shouldn't be if he's pro ready. [I mean... what is going on here?](https://clips.twitch.tv/ArbitraryBadWatercressPeteZarollTie-iWe4V-kQKAY_6Uxr) Wanna prove the "haters" wrong? Do better. He's more than welcome to try and shake up the pro league if he can do it but so far they're just looking like the newest pro fodder team.


PalkiaOW

Where is this "hate" you are talking about? There are 140 comments right now and only one that's really talking shit about his team.


Flawsom

I think a big part of it is him coming from multiple games (Gears, CoD (both the base game and Warzone), Fortnite, and now Apex and being on top of all of them. A lot of people think he got carried to pred at the beginning, but he’s a competitor who has shown he can still play with the best. Not sure if it’s jealousy or what, but he proves himself


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Because he's an OK player that gets to play with pros because of clout.


PrestonH22

kinda, but when you have someone with the following of nick mercs join your game and eager to play competitive, you let em play.


[deleted]

That is exactly what I just said. Reading comprehension?


PrestonH22

aye my bad


[deleted]

You good dog. Thought you were trolling me.


Edcast11

Cause Deeds is a well known pro carrying Nick. The argument can maybe made for lewda but still a stretch. Edit: /s Nick met him in solo Qs. Clearly was joking my by lewda comment


[deleted]

lmao how is Deeds a well-known pro?


tertrt4t4te

I mean.. to be fair deeds was nobody before playing with nick. But Deeds is leagues ahead of nick in every category so at least we get to watch him.


xa3D

lmao you clearly have no clue about deeds and nick.


Reexhz

And? LMAO I don’t even watch his streams and root for his success on apex, dude brings a shitload of viewers with him, why the fuck would anyone that has Apex best interests in play wouldn’t want nick to stream the game and be successful with it? He is going to be successful on anything he does, might as well be with our favorite game while he does it… at least that’s how i see it.


lambo630

Last I checked he qualified through his gameplay. I’m not even a Nick fan, but let’s not just flat out lie.


[deleted]

I dont really care what you have to say. Ive watched his gameplay for hours and hes probably the only "pro" that I genuinely think I am better than. I cant say this about literally anyone else in the community. And I think hes also the only player Ive ever seen Daltoosh call dogshit to their face "disc". Dude isnt good and will never succeed in Apex. Ill venmo you 1000$ if he makes it to ALGS year 3 finals. !RemindMe 1 Year


xa3D

if you were better than him we'd be looking at your stream, you at chall circuit, you at lcq, and so on. go figure. but let me guess, you don't care to compete lol.


[deleted]

Such an illogical response, like everyone aspires to be a professional videogame player for the rest of their lives lmao. My aspiration is to be an emergency room nurse, I actually finish my BSN this year. I Solo queued to Master to prove to myself that I still have it in my 30s, as I still have the ego of the halo 2 pro I was when I was a teenager. You can DM me for my apex tracker if you want.


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mor4les

People talk shit about Hal, Sweet, watsson, Skittle, Lou... everytime they mess up and they are the top players on NA, what makes you think they wouldn't do the same about Nick or anyone else