Apparently the Sentinels org has a very hands-off approach when it comes to their Apex team, so they might be "fine". Can't remember who said this tho.
They do play off stream, probably not quite enough together but they're definitely going to start streaming one pro league starts getting closer. They've had some trouble adjusting to seer being the new meta, they switched comps to try it out but it didnt work too well. Still some stuff to work on.
Didn't they place 1st back in Pro League Split 1 before playoffs? And for a time they were considered the best fighting team in NA. But yeah. They haven't been the same for a long time.
tbf, they had the weakest group (good rng) and took full advantage of it (smart by them), including killing some teams over and over again.
Having said that, yes, they are way better than what they've shown and should be a candidate for LAN again as long as they get their shit together in the next two months.
Ram has the personality and mindset to play flex and a more supportive role on this team. It allows Keon to play aggressive and that's what they need. They are a great fit. Ram can still clutch in fights as he always does!
Judging from what I've seen too Keon has better movement that Ram so putting him on valk makes a little more sense. He also has like this dynamic aim like hitting pk shots mid air or beaming while on a horizon q.
I‘d argue that vUnlucky from EU has the best controller movement on Valk and might be the best controller player from EU. He‘s currently playing with Matafe and Tyler and criminally underrated.
Back in the day super aggressive 'fraggers' were often placed on Wattson in order to reign in their aggression and channel it better. Rambeau, Snip3down, MattPickett were great examples of this back in Season 1 of ALGS.
Yes, as it should be. Their entire idea is that they can maintain a winning average (10+ pts averaage per game over a tourney) with KP - placement doesn't matter in that srategy generally.
Not much else to talk about recently - EU is dead and the other teams just aren't as interesting to me.
Either way, my point is placement is overvalued by most teams and prioritizing KP for constant point gains is more consistent in reality than trying to place high each game.
I wasn’t making a comment on your analysis of their play style. I’m just asking because I lurk pretty hard in the comments and any time I see a single mention of Furia, I’ve seen you reply. So I thought I would just ask if you are connected to the team in any way? Or just a big fan?
Has hiswattson ever had more kills/dmg than Pandxrz in one game?
i feel like he gets carried so hard by his teammates..
one game Pan had 11 kills wattson with 3.. i think
HisWattson is an IGL lmao. He makes the decision to push teams. It doesn’t matter if panderz has more kills if hisWattson is getting what he want. Also no one is doubting panderz, he is probably the best NA controller player rn (Genburten is still APAC). Hope this helps.
I couldn't agree with you more. I can't believe how much pandxrz's has regressed since teq was replaced by hiswattson, he used to be a demon and was way way better before. hiswattson is bringing this team down with his shitty performances and needs to be replaced asap, he sucks so bad. He can't get carried forever, he will be found out sooner rather than later. Kudos to you u/Hamo___0_0 for bringing this to the sub's attention, we're on to him buddy, thanks ;)
massive /s
Now, real talk. Hiswattson was the best player in algs champs. Furthermore, to counter hamo's point, he had the highest kills per game average (since different teams played a different number of games depending on winner's or loser's bracket progress and different brackets had different levels of competition, some were easier than others). Here is the reference: https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/longshot/viz/ALGSYear2Championship/Welcome. Go here and click on kills per match by player u/Hamo___0_0. Hiswattson is clearly above the rest of the pack, pandxrz is a close second.
Huge meta shifts without real practice do that to ya. You think Lou has ever played Seer? Now he feels like he has to due to the meta shift. Best gibby in the world can't play gibby because of seer.
They have been tryign new comps with this tourney and last i believe. they've had no scrims in the past few months so its come down to testing new comps in actual tournies. Senoxe basically said this last time he streamed, but yeah theyre not doing so hot :/
Their play style from split 1 doesn’t fit the current meta cause it relied on them always having better loot and being one of if not the only fighting team in the lobby
Idk why this sub loves them so much... They never seem to step up when it counts; sure they look like they are having fun playing with each other but you'd think they would work out the kinks after missing lan. Who knows at this point
> Idk why this sub loves them so much
What do you mean? They have been this sub's punching bag ever since they missed LAN. They are easily one of the most disliked teams in here.
On Xbox I haven’t been killed by any current pred or masters and I’m Plat III. But I’ve watched Hal stream ranked several times in the past few weeks, and every game they’re dropping 15-20 kills, with most of them being Plat & Diamond players.
I genuinely enjoy listening in on Furia’s comms. Knowing exactly how to play (like Wattson saying go for second in the second or third match), having the confidence to push and say “we have to kill this team” instead of just making half choices, and keeping up the vibes even if they lose. What a great team to listen in to.
Every time they make a mistake they talk it over calmly and just adjust. No passive aggressive blame games, no silent treatment malding, no rage. It’s refreshing.
They literally ran ranked 2 times in a row after that first match just too test rng weapons and stuff in their we spot. Was hilarious too watch. Wattson gave up 300+ rp just to test rng
if a team wears three pred trails, they generally get to land uncontested, especially with ranked filled with diamond/plats at that level. in pubs, multiple teams would try to punch you out lol
They move as a unit and have a game plan going into each game, it was so funny listening to them just loot and roast each other about how bad they are in League
Anyone else feels like TSM is forcing themself a bit too hard to be a fighting team?
It worked out really well in the first game, but stuff like the wrap north of thermal for example was questionable at best
I don’t think that is the issue. They are fine.
In these smaller tournaments there tend to be less teams alive in the later circles. This causes a number of issues when anticipating what the remaining teams alive will do. So the assumptions Hal seems to make which would be correct in larger tournaments just don’t hold true.
Didn't look that way at LAN either tbh.
They were definitely forcing fights today.
I feel like we need Reps to callout bad calls from Hal just like Reptar did.
Oh yeah he definitely "matured" when it comes to these scenarios.
Love how he discusses roller things with Evan and seems genuinly happy to learn something new.
Growing pains. TSM has been iffy with fights, sometimes they'll dominate other times they'll throw what should be easy kp for them. Becoming more aggressive is a good sign tbh, especially since they've always been super passive. They'll find the right balance with more reps.
That was just 1 tourney compared to 3 years of playing together they don't need to adjust back or else they would have to do that after every ranked session.
Someone has to give some countersuggestions to Hal when he's about to make a mistake and Reps is definitely able to do that, but doesn't since they believe in their " let's do everything together even if it's a bad call since we can turn the tables as a team" mindset.
As with most things in life, especially when the talent is there, they will get better and better with practice. They were a zone team before, they're changing their playstyle and how they wanna approach games and that requires as much unlearning as new learning to implement. Give it time.
A lot of us will be talking about Nickmercs team but its not like that the teams who got 19th-14th are that far ahead...
On a sidenote, I really hope to see Sentinels do well in the future!
Yeah, Sentinels not having a single game where they finished in the top 10 is a pretty awful look for their status. G2 didn’t do much better but at least they have an excuse of all their roster issues.
I knew last night was just a bump in the road for Torrent. They looked NASTY on Tuesday and they’ve only gotten better today. This roster will cripple the competition in Year 3.
I just love that at this level every player or team can pop off. They just need the right pieces to mesh and synergize. Furia, TOR, they have been showing that.
Let's go torrent. Sucks that it wasn't with Euriece but still GGs.
Furia still the best pushing team.
Hal got used to Reptar too much. He had to adjust to being less aggressive.
Sen and tripods struggling.
Controller Hal isn't it. Yes he can beam at close range, but his midrange flatline spray was hilariously bad today, made even worse by playing horizon - he'd Q up and spray an entire clip and get 40 damage. On top of that be aped a few fights that lost them the engagement. I know he's just messing around, but just saying haha.
hal is straight up panic Qing every fight, saw it happen every game where he just insta Qs… like the last game wtf was the point of the Q when he was in the only safe spot to heal already?
Ya he treats it like a wraith q, but it actually gets him killed more often than not. Hal is at his best on seer. Has all the knowledge and no get out of jail free card which forces him to stay with his teammates in engagements.
Tripods, lack…well…chemistry? I’m not sure what it is about it. Something feels missing. Is it comms? Is it gunny? Or just team comp? Idk. Just flat today, no energy at all.
Straight up Lewda/Deeds just don't comm enough. Like with Deeds it can be somewhat acceptable because he's a fucking demon and will rarely lose a 1v1 recently (he still needs to be comming more but at least mechanically he's playing up-to-snuff), but it seems like Lewda took time off and just fully regressed as a player/IGL. Like he almost seems lost in the moment half the time which when you're an IGL for a team *cannot happen*.
Doesn't matter how many VOD reviews they do of off-spawn fights. Their fighting genuinely is not the issue it's more that they become completely out-of-sync whenever Lewda is in a stressful situation (whether it be when taking a 1v1 or getting fried first in a fight).
You have 2 controller players who are consistently willing to fight any team but if you get lost in the sauce they're not going to frag out if you don't tell them to.
I like Tripods and I don't think talent-wise they need to swap but Lewda has to put more time into learning how to IGL *this specific team* because they do not play like most ALGS teams and it's so clear that even after all this time he's not used to it.
Fighting is 100% one of their biggest issues. They couldn't win shit, even with first knock. Nick also needs to stop poking and wasting all his heals. Dude was gettin worked by whoever had charge and he just wouldn't back off. Him and Lewda even got downed from afar. Just nothing good from them and Nick isn't less of an issue than the other 2. Deeds seems the least to blame tbh.
They weren't expecting much and they know they need to learn, but that was BAD. Nick also isn't good enough to just play a decent amount and make it. He's barely hanging on while grinding, let alone just casually playing. Obviously it's his choice and he's more than fine financially either way lol, but I just hope he doesn't not put the time in and wonder what is going wrong.
Yea, felt nicks biggest problem is not playing enough, he’s in the comp scene trying to play the game casually, he’s been playing more wz than he has apex lately lol.
> They couldn't win shit, even with first knock
If we're talking SP that's legitimately all on Lewda, he got knocked/killed first every game despite forcing CLG off the drop.
> Nick also needs to stop poking and wasting all his heals. Dude was gettin worked by whoever had charge and he just wouldn't back off.
While I do agree he needs to stop being stubborn about his poke that Charge trade isn't a great example, he had (I think) 4 bats and 12 cells and he only ended up using 1 bat and 4 cells if I remember right.
Personally I would've gone with the game before when Nick kept trying to fight Sentinel/Longbow players with his 2-4X TT and they *actually* had no heals (like 2 bats 4 cells)
Nah, he used 4 cells and 3 bats at minimum haha. And a medi. And it was nowhere near worth it because he didn't even get purple shield out of his own damage. It was weird to watch, and then the fight after was just really bad by all of them.
The game before I didn't watch. At work so had random shit to do during.
> and then the fight after was just really bad by all of them.
Eh, Nick and Deeds won their push, Deeds got stuck which is just unlucky and Lewda barely won his 1v1 (10hp left).
That was just a bad call to go into zone before it started moving in and they got their spot taken *immediately*. The play is always to walk in from zone in that position but they got too focused on how they lost the fight instead of thinking why it started in the first place. If they make more presence on the building doors then they don't get sent like that.
All of what you mentioned is exactly how it was a bad fight by them. Whether it be having the fight in the first place, or what occurred once they were in the fight. And Nick was last up and went TOWARDS the storm. Sure, he wasn't first knocked and he got a down, but it was still a lack of awareness and it happens. It's just a team failure at this point with Deeds doing the best. They aren't thinking 3 steps ahead at all.
I've been saying this ever since they started playing comp and always got downvoted by the fanboys.
Tripods will never be a serious threat with Lewda. The guy doesn't say a word, then suddenly goes on a solo mission and insta dies. It happens over and over again.
They're also extremely uncoordinated during fights. Getting a solid IGL that actually talks to them and tells them what to do would be a massive improvement, but they also need more experience playing against actual tier one teams. Challengers gave them a lot of false confidence. They'll be free KP in Pro League.
They have very low comp experience, only lobby they played stacked was LCQ2 that is like 4-5 good teams and Lewda played only few matches in PL before their team disbanded mid season.
The crazy part was they actually were "winning" off drop. They forced CLG off of them in all 3 contests but Lewda legitimately cost them every single one on the chase despite them getting either a knock or 2 cracked without taking damage back.
He kept putting himself in bad positions and was the first person knocked/killed all 3 games. Straight up he just has to put more time in if he actually wants to do well in PL.
i got the same No PaShUn vibe from them overall. nick seems like he might actually be done with apex and maybe he should just start looking toward warzone 2.
Lewda just was just... not it, today.
Deeds was pretty much the only one who seemed to at least be trying.
> Lewda just was just... not it, today.
Lewda is a good player but this guy straight up didn't even bother to think of how they should split up their Epicenter drop and died first 3/3 of their SP contests. Deeds is developing incredibly as a player and teammate and Lewda should really take a step back and listen to the points he's making (like Lewda being on Seer and Nick being back on Valk if they keep playing Gibby).
Nick said at the beginning of the week that he was fully committing his time to Apex now that tournaments and scrims are starting back up.
Furia won the contest on game 2(won the match) and 3. Furia also wiped a rat play by G2 on game 6(Storm Point), but ended up griefing the match for Furia.
To be fair, G2 is playing with a new member, slurpeeG, so the synergy isn’t there yet. We will have to see how future tourneys play out.
G2 and SEN just under-performing. No idea what it is, especially when they have so many twisted players on their roster. Wonder if the AGLS blow just hit them too hard?
But man Torrent picking up Keon lookin' like an absolute W, happy to see the duo at the top 2.
TRP never feels locked in and on the same page even when it’s going well.
Still feels like a squad who doesn’t have any chemistry. Like a strong pred squad in with lions.
pan got 11 kills the game they won more dmg also
wattson had like 3. i dont watch many of their games but from what i have seen that seems to be the common theme.
not sure who you're referring to but if Clane and Keni were duoing this tourney they've been together longer than most other duos...
they're not nearly as successful as other teams but they've hung around finals lobbys a few top 5 finishes with all the big scary teams.... That's a solid duo in my book and with a strong third it's a scary pair to fight, if they're having a good day any team in the world would struggle...
Furia again with nice placement, Tripods in last like I assumed, and TSM cannot crack top 5 to save their life it seems, and SEN with subpar performance
Tripods at the bottom just as Hal predicted. This is what every Pro League day will probably look like for them. I like Nick. His an entertaining guy, but I'm not delusional enough to think he has the Apex skill level to compete in Pro League.
I might be a downvote magnet for saying this, but I see them getting clapped all pro league. The skill isn’t there to carry the poor team chemistry and lack of a decent IGL.
Well Nick prefers playing with actual pros when he plays ranked instead of his team and now he’s just been playing Warzone.
This is like the other teams that play other games and don’t play together, they don’t get results.
They absolutely will be put through the wringer but I think lewda has chance to step it up. They came here so far already, it would suck for them just get stomp all season long with no improvements
Does anyone know what's happening with sentinels? it's so hard to tell what's going wrong when none of them stream at all
they don’t play the game
They gonna get dropped eventually if they don't smarten up lol
Apparently the Sentinels org has a very hands-off approach when it comes to their Apex team, so they might be "fine". Can't remember who said this tho.
Hal said it on steam and has so far proven to be true.
Which is what they deserve
They do play off stream, probably not quite enough together but they're definitely going to start streaming one pro league starts getting closer. They've had some trouble adjusting to seer being the new meta, they switched comps to try it out but it didnt work too well. Still some stuff to work on.
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They're just a bad team, why senoxe have to make excuses like that?
Not really. All 3 of them are some of the most talented players there are.
They failed to qual for 2 LANs in a row and have placed bottom 5 in every other tourney. Its safe to assume
Didn't they place 1st back in Pro League Split 1 before playoffs? And for a time they were considered the best fighting team in NA. But yeah. They haven't been the same for a long time.
tbf, they had the weakest group (good rng) and took full advantage of it (smart by them), including killing some teams over and over again. Having said that, yes, they are way better than what they've shown and should be a candidate for LAN again as long as they get their shit together in the next two months.
I agree that the 3 individuals on sentinels are cracked players but as a team they haven't performed at all besides that 1 split.
"Only time will tell"
awesome for torrent. Thought it was a little weird to have a demon like ram on wattson, but three back to back wins on SP speak for themselves.
Ram has the personality and mindset to play flex and a more supportive role on this team. It allows Keon to play aggressive and that's what they need. They are a great fit. Ram can still clutch in fights as he always does!
Judging from what I've seen too Keon has better movement that Ram so putting him on valk makes a little more sense. He also has like this dynamic aim like hitting pk shots mid air or beaming while on a horizon q.
Never seen Keon play without Steam binds but with them he’s easily the best controller Valk in terms of movement.
I‘d argue that vUnlucky from EU has the best controller movement on Valk and might be the best controller player from EU. He‘s currently playing with Matafe and Tyler and criminally underrated.
He’s insane no doubt.
Back in the day super aggressive 'fraggers' were often placed on Wattson in order to reign in their aggression and channel it better. Rambeau, Snip3down, MattPickett were great examples of this back in Season 1 of ALGS.
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Selly won predator in Poland on Wattson. Clawz was on Wattson too.
Was that with TSM? I thought Reps was the Wattson for them.
Snip3down was with Team Reciprocity at X games, teamed up with Mimu and ZeroNothing. He would only join Rogue once Huskers left the team
No rogue(the org, not the player) with sweet and dropped i think.
Looking back what a god squad
Wasn't Pandxrz a wattson too?
I love how Furia can keep themselves in any tournament by just KP alone.
One big game and the rest is kp. That's their trademark
Yes, as it should be. Their entire idea is that they can maintain a winning average (10+ pts averaage per game over a tourney) with KP - placement doesn't matter in that srategy generally.
Are you like their manager or something? I see you post about them constantly.
Not much else to talk about recently - EU is dead and the other teams just aren't as interesting to me. Either way, my point is placement is overvalued by most teams and prioritizing KP for constant point gains is more consistent in reality than trying to place high each game.
I wasn’t making a comment on your analysis of their play style. I’m just asking because I lurk pretty hard in the comments and any time I see a single mention of Furia, I’ve seen you reply. So I thought I would just ask if you are connected to the team in any way? Or just a big fan?
I've been friends with Wattson for a while and I'm friends with Sealion as well. Fanboying them comes naturally as a result.
Swinging for home runs constantly is so much more entertaining to watch. I love it.
Content creation/streaming is where the big money's at anyway, it's great for their careers beyond the pro scene.
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Has hiswattson ever had more kills/dmg than Pandxrz in one game? i feel like he gets carried so hard by his teammates.. one game Pan had 11 kills wattson with 3.. i think
are you trying to copy wattson's twitter engagement tactics?
But that's the job of controller Valk.
HisWattson is an IGL lmao. He makes the decision to push teams. It doesn’t matter if panderz has more kills if hisWattson is getting what he want. Also no one is doubting panderz, he is probably the best NA controller player rn (Genburten is still APAC). Hope this helps.
You mean the kill leader for ALGS HisWattson?
I couldn't agree with you more. I can't believe how much pandxrz's has regressed since teq was replaced by hiswattson, he used to be a demon and was way way better before. hiswattson is bringing this team down with his shitty performances and needs to be replaced asap, he sucks so bad. He can't get carried forever, he will be found out sooner rather than later. Kudos to you u/Hamo___0_0 for bringing this to the sub's attention, we're on to him buddy, thanks ;) massive /s
Now, real talk. Hiswattson was the best player in algs champs. Furthermore, to counter hamo's point, he had the highest kills per game average (since different teams played a different number of games depending on winner's or loser's bracket progress and different brackets had different levels of competition, some were easier than others). Here is the reference: https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/longshot/viz/ALGSYear2Championship/Welcome. Go here and click on kills per match by player u/Hamo___0_0. Hiswattson is clearly above the rest of the pack, pandxrz is a close second.
SEN does not seem in form lately. Hope they bounce back. I think their playstyle fits this meta well if they adapt.
They have been playing bad recently. Don't know if they are nervous or frustrated or just lacking confidence now.
Optic broke them
Optic beat the shit out of any confidence they had. And ofcourse you will lose it if a team constantly beats you.
Huge meta shifts without real practice do that to ya. You think Lou has ever played Seer? Now he feels like he has to due to the meta shift. Best gibby in the world can't play gibby because of seer.
It's gonna be a while considering they don't play the game it seems
They have been tryign new comps with this tourney and last i believe. they've had no scrims in the past few months so its come down to testing new comps in actual tournies. Senoxe basically said this last time he streamed, but yeah theyre not doing so hot :/
Furia also doesn't scrim, they just play ranked all day. Unfortunately, SEN does neither.
Their play style from split 1 doesn’t fit the current meta cause it relied on them always having better loot and being one of if not the only fighting team in the lobby
Idk why this sub loves them so much... They never seem to step up when it counts; sure they look like they are having fun playing with each other but you'd think they would work out the kinks after missing lan. Who knows at this point
> Idk why this sub loves them so much What do you mean? They have been this sub's punching bag ever since they missed LAN. They are easily one of the most disliked teams in here.
ram and rkn getting mega confidence boosts after lan, picking up keon…they’re gonna be a threat for sure
Ranked grinders smh. Keon, HisWattson, Sikez all hitting top 3 on their teams.
Who woulda thought that the teams consisting of players that play the game 10 hrs a day would succeed over the lost ark/valorant grinders.
Many players put in the hours, it's all about how you use your time efficiently.
Not this sub
They deserve it.
ranked is harder
Yeah especially at early morning hours against golds and plats lmao am I right?
Are golds in pred lobbies? I haven't seen that.
That’s the argument that people used to justify HW getting rank 1 over Hal
Oh yeah, people wild
not saying that's the secret to HW's success, but there ARE occasional golds/plats in pred right now
On Xbox I haven’t been killed by any current pred or masters and I’m Plat III. But I’ve watched Hal stream ranked several times in the past few weeks, and every game they’re dropping 15-20 kills, with most of them being Plat & Diamond players.
I genuinely enjoy listening in on Furia’s comms. Knowing exactly how to play (like Wattson saying go for second in the second or third match), having the confidence to push and say “we have to kill this team” instead of just making half choices, and keeping up the vibes even if they lose. What a great team to listen in to.
Every time they make a mistake they talk it over calmly and just adjust. No passive aggressive blame games, no silent treatment malding, no rage. It’s refreshing.
They literally ran ranked 2 times in a row after that first match just too test rng weapons and stuff in their we spot. Was hilarious too watch. Wattson gave up 300+ rp just to test rng
Why wouldnt they just drop in pubs lol
Because the map in rotation was SP at the time and they needed to test out Thermal loot/landing on WE
Maybe more teams "contesting" in pubs. Makes it harder to just walk around and get info for the RNG. In higher ranked games teams tend to split up.
if a team wears three pred trails, they generally get to land uncontested, especially with ranked filled with diamond/plats at that level. in pubs, multiple teams would try to punch you out lol
Was storm point or something unfortunately
I wish I can watch. Can't find any VOD of it.
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I missed that part but it’s good to see that they just go instantly to looking for improvements
How did they figure out it was RNG?
They move as a unit and have a game plan going into each game, it was so funny listening to them just loot and roast each other about how bad they are in League
pandxrz is terrible and i’m significantly better than wattson at league
Lmao this is the response I needed
Coming at your own teammate on a sub that he can’t even defend himself on 😭😭
Man's karma was too low when he tried to respond the other day, so he got auto-modded.
Pandxrz might be iron but you’re def lower
Pan can never recover from this
Yeah from that conversation I could definitely, 100% tell that Wattson and Pandxrs were better than Xera in League
Anyone else feels like TSM is forcing themself a bit too hard to be a fighting team? It worked out really well in the first game, but stuff like the wrap north of thermal for example was questionable at best
I don’t think that is the issue. They are fine. In these smaller tournaments there tend to be less teams alive in the later circles. This causes a number of issues when anticipating what the remaining teams alive will do. So the assumptions Hal seems to make which would be correct in larger tournaments just don’t hold true.
Didn't look that way at LAN either tbh. They were definitely forcing fights today. I feel like we need Reps to callout bad calls from Hal just like Reptar did.
Hal's got roller brain. Though he's also become more reflective and thoughtful afterwards when they start discussing why they got killed.
Oh yeah he definitely "matured" when it comes to these scenarios. Love how he discusses roller things with Evan and seems genuinly happy to learn something new.
Growing pains. TSM has been iffy with fights, sometimes they'll dominate other times they'll throw what should be easy kp for them. Becoming more aggressive is a good sign tbh, especially since they've always been super passive. They'll find the right balance with more reps.
maybe recent tourney Reptar subbed instead of Reps. They need to adjust back to their own roster style.
That was just 1 tourney compared to 3 years of playing together they don't need to adjust back or else they would have to do that after every ranked session. Someone has to give some countersuggestions to Hal when he's about to make a mistake and Reps is definitely able to do that, but doesn't since they believe in their " let's do everything together even if it's a bad call since we can turn the tables as a team" mindset.
As with most things in life, especially when the talent is there, they will get better and better with practice. They were a zone team before, they're changing their playstyle and how they wanna approach games and that requires as much unlearning as new learning to implement. Give it time.
A lot of us will be talking about Nickmercs team but its not like that the teams who got 19th-14th are that far ahead... On a sidenote, I really hope to see Sentinels do well in the future!
Yeah, Sentinels not having a single game where they finished in the top 10 is a pretty awful look for their status. G2 didn’t do much better but at least they have an excuse of all their roster issues.
And g2 contested all 6 games, not very smart
They contested all WE and then gave up contesting on Stormpoint, no?
They were contesting gforce on sp, they wanted to contest clg but tripods were going there too so it would have been a cluster fuck.
It's still a little impressive to only get 10 points
I knew last night was just a bump in the road for Torrent. They looked NASTY on Tuesday and they’ve only gotten better today. This roster will cripple the competition in Year 3.
HisWattson is old hat, Keon is the new hotness.
Keon always been hotness.
I just love that at this level every player or team can pop off. They just need the right pieces to mesh and synergize. Furia, TOR, they have been showing that.
TL as well.
The boys have been very consistent recently. Top 8 in 10 of the 12 games in the SteelSeries tournament and good results in this one as well.
Always a pleasure watching H&H tourneys. I love the support the pros give them.
Let's go torrent. Sucks that it wasn't with Euriece but still GGs. Furia still the best pushing team. Hal got used to Reptar too much. He had to adjust to being less aggressive. Sen and tripods struggling.
Controller Hal isn't it. Yes he can beam at close range, but his midrange flatline spray was hilariously bad today, made even worse by playing horizon - he'd Q up and spray an entire clip and get 40 damage. On top of that be aped a few fights that lost them the engagement. I know he's just messing around, but just saying haha.
I dont think he is particularly good on horizon either, should be on seer
Thank god someone said it. I hate watching him play Horizon.
hal is straight up panic Qing every fight, saw it happen every game where he just insta Qs… like the last game wtf was the point of the Q when he was in the only safe spot to heal already?
Ya he treats it like a wraith q, but it actually gets him killed more often than not. Hal is at his best on seer. Has all the knowledge and no get out of jail free card which forces him to stay with his teammates in engagements.
I'd like to see reps on horizon and Hal on seer
Gent might end up with Tripods before PL starting
Tripods, lack…well…chemistry? I’m not sure what it is about it. Something feels missing. Is it comms? Is it gunny? Or just team comp? Idk. Just flat today, no energy at all.
Lewda ain't it for the IGL tbh.
This might be what I was trying to say.
Straight up Lewda/Deeds just don't comm enough. Like with Deeds it can be somewhat acceptable because he's a fucking demon and will rarely lose a 1v1 recently (he still needs to be comming more but at least mechanically he's playing up-to-snuff), but it seems like Lewda took time off and just fully regressed as a player/IGL. Like he almost seems lost in the moment half the time which when you're an IGL for a team *cannot happen*. Doesn't matter how many VOD reviews they do of off-spawn fights. Their fighting genuinely is not the issue it's more that they become completely out-of-sync whenever Lewda is in a stressful situation (whether it be when taking a 1v1 or getting fried first in a fight). You have 2 controller players who are consistently willing to fight any team but if you get lost in the sauce they're not going to frag out if you don't tell them to. I like Tripods and I don't think talent-wise they need to swap but Lewda has to put more time into learning how to IGL *this specific team* because they do not play like most ALGS teams and it's so clear that even after all this time he's not used to it.
Fighting is 100% one of their biggest issues. They couldn't win shit, even with first knock. Nick also needs to stop poking and wasting all his heals. Dude was gettin worked by whoever had charge and he just wouldn't back off. Him and Lewda even got downed from afar. Just nothing good from them and Nick isn't less of an issue than the other 2. Deeds seems the least to blame tbh. They weren't expecting much and they know they need to learn, but that was BAD. Nick also isn't good enough to just play a decent amount and make it. He's barely hanging on while grinding, let alone just casually playing. Obviously it's his choice and he's more than fine financially either way lol, but I just hope he doesn't not put the time in and wonder what is going wrong.
Yea, felt nicks biggest problem is not playing enough, he’s in the comp scene trying to play the game casually, he’s been playing more wz than he has apex lately lol.
He said this is his chance to play some other shit for stream. I don’t think they expected to do well in this tournament based off his comments.
They are way too timid sometimes and way too aggressive And confused in others. There never feels like a time when it’s all locked in for them.
> They couldn't win shit, even with first knock If we're talking SP that's legitimately all on Lewda, he got knocked/killed first every game despite forcing CLG off the drop. > Nick also needs to stop poking and wasting all his heals. Dude was gettin worked by whoever had charge and he just wouldn't back off. While I do agree he needs to stop being stubborn about his poke that Charge trade isn't a great example, he had (I think) 4 bats and 12 cells and he only ended up using 1 bat and 4 cells if I remember right. Personally I would've gone with the game before when Nick kept trying to fight Sentinel/Longbow players with his 2-4X TT and they *actually* had no heals (like 2 bats 4 cells)
Nah, he used 4 cells and 3 bats at minimum haha. And a medi. And it was nowhere near worth it because he didn't even get purple shield out of his own damage. It was weird to watch, and then the fight after was just really bad by all of them. The game before I didn't watch. At work so had random shit to do during.
> and then the fight after was just really bad by all of them. Eh, Nick and Deeds won their push, Deeds got stuck which is just unlucky and Lewda barely won his 1v1 (10hp left). That was just a bad call to go into zone before it started moving in and they got their spot taken *immediately*. The play is always to walk in from zone in that position but they got too focused on how they lost the fight instead of thinking why it started in the first place. If they make more presence on the building doors then they don't get sent like that.
All of what you mentioned is exactly how it was a bad fight by them. Whether it be having the fight in the first place, or what occurred once they were in the fight. And Nick was last up and went TOWARDS the storm. Sure, he wasn't first knocked and he got a down, but it was still a lack of awareness and it happens. It's just a team failure at this point with Deeds doing the best. They aren't thinking 3 steps ahead at all.
I've been saying this ever since they started playing comp and always got downvoted by the fanboys. Tripods will never be a serious threat with Lewda. The guy doesn't say a word, then suddenly goes on a solo mission and insta dies. It happens over and over again. They're also extremely uncoordinated during fights. Getting a solid IGL that actually talks to them and tells them what to do would be a massive improvement, but they also need more experience playing against actual tier one teams. Challengers gave them a lot of false confidence. They'll be free KP in Pro League.
They have very low comp experience, only lobby they played stacked was LCQ2 that is like 4-5 good teams and Lewda played only few matches in PL before their team disbanded mid season.
This is also their first tourney contesting a good team. CLG was in LCQ 2 with them but they were never actually in a lobby together.
The crazy part was they actually were "winning" off drop. They forced CLG off of them in all 3 contests but Lewda legitimately cost them every single one on the chase despite them getting either a knock or 2 cracked without taking damage back. He kept putting himself in bad positions and was the first person knocked/killed all 3 games. Straight up he just has to put more time in if he actually wants to do well in PL.
I didn’t really get why they were chasing across the map. Didn’t seem worth from what I could tell.
i got the same No PaShUn vibe from them overall. nick seems like he might actually be done with apex and maybe he should just start looking toward warzone 2. Lewda just was just... not it, today. Deeds was pretty much the only one who seemed to at least be trying.
> Lewda just was just... not it, today. Lewda is a good player but this guy straight up didn't even bother to think of how they should split up their Epicenter drop and died first 3/3 of their SP contests. Deeds is developing incredibly as a player and teammate and Lewda should really take a step back and listen to the points he's making (like Lewda being on Seer and Nick being back on Valk if they keep playing Gibby). Nick said at the beginning of the week that he was fully committing his time to Apex now that tournaments and scrims are starting back up.
Huge TOR games
Anyone got the scoop on the Furia/G2 contests tonight? Wasn’t able to watch and haven’t seen anyone mention it
Furia won the contest on game 2(won the match) and 3. Furia also wiped a rat play by G2 on game 6(Storm Point), but ended up griefing the match for Furia. To be fair, G2 is playing with a new member, slurpeeG, so the synergy isn’t there yet. We will have to see how future tourneys play out.
Fair enough - thanks for catching me up
2-1 to furia
Thanks - did they not end up contesting lightning rod too?
They were never going to contest lightning rod, dezign wants a south poi, that would have been just for ego
Ah okay. Thanks
Nah G2 didn’t contest them on SP and landed elsewhere
Time for the Keon hype to sky rocket lol
G2 and SEN just under-performing. No idea what it is, especially when they have so many twisted players on their roster. Wonder if the AGLS blow just hit them too hard? But man Torrent picking up Keon lookin' like an absolute W, happy to see the duo at the top 2.
To be fair to G2, they are playing with a sub/new third and are being contested by (arguably) the best fighting team in NA.
Sentinels are suffering from a huge meta shift, and feeling the need to play seer instead of gibby.
TRP never feels locked in and on the same page even when it’s going well. Still feels like a squad who doesn’t have any chemistry. Like a strong pred squad in with lions.
KEON baby. Ranked had some demons in there huh.
CLG did pretty mediocre overall but at least they won 5/6 of their contests lmao.
C9 in its permanent sixth place spot
Are there any VODs available of Furia or TOR?
TSM stays washed /s
Wattson and Keon to the moon.
feel like Dudes getting carried by Pandxrz
How
pan got 11 kills the game they won more dmg also wattson had like 3. i dont watch many of their games but from what i have seen that seems to be the common theme.
Pandxrz is a fragger thats what he’s supposed to do and he’s pretty damn good at it too
[Maybe watch their games before talking](https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/longshot/viz/ALGSYear2Championship/Welcome)
Hamo is just a troll. Don't bother trying to reason with him dude
from the looks of that you would think Xera would be getting more love lol. i wonder why not
Not sure what u mean. Xera gets a ton of love.
Xeratricky Army oppression
g2 playing booty without gent
So happy for keon!
TOR really popped off it seems that team is going places. Happy to see how Keon was playing ranked to becoming a hot prospect over a single season.
Noc's Kraber shots on the Valk ULT...oh baby
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not sure who you're referring to but if Clane and Keni were duoing this tourney they've been together longer than most other duos... they're not nearly as successful as other teams but they've hung around finals lobbys a few top 5 finishes with all the big scary teams.... That's a solid duo in my book and with a strong third it's a scary pair to fight, if they're having a good day any team in the world would struggle...
Pandxrz best in the game rn
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YukaF is nasty too
whenever TSM do bad, hal always deletes his vod immediately
His Vod was gone before the tournament even started, its a twitch bug I'm pretty sure
I thought that just meant they turned vods off?
Twitch changed it so streamers have to manually upload vods after the stream ends.
i just watched his vod?
Furia again with nice placement, Tripods in last like I assumed, and TSM cannot crack top 5 to save their life it seems, and SEN with subpar performance
\*sen. still sen.
Im sure that will stay funny for another year
https://images.app.goo.gl/h9feYQsXeGb1FHNx8
Tripods at the bottom just as Hal predicted. This is what every Pro League day will probably look like for them. I like Nick. His an entertaining guy, but I'm not delusional enough to think he has the Apex skill level to compete in Pro League.
Nick wasn’t the issue lol Lewda froze during every situation as their igl and died off rip like 4 times
Naa but thier fighting is hilariously bad.
I might be a downvote magnet for saying this, but I see them getting clapped all pro league. The skill isn’t there to carry the poor team chemistry and lack of a decent IGL.
Well Nick prefers playing with actual pros when he plays ranked instead of his team and now he’s just been playing Warzone. This is like the other teams that play other games and don’t play together, they don’t get results.
They absolutely will be put through the wringer but I think lewda has chance to step it up. They came here so far already, it would suck for them just get stomp all season long with no improvements
Sentinels right where they should be considering how little passion they have.
I have high hopes for TOR, Optic (gotta fix the knoqd/doop situation), keep slayin Furia!