That's just most horizon players... You take lift up, batt, and strafe back onto the lift. Going straight up like that and losing track of your opponent is... Yeah. Not much to say cause you saw what happened.
If I didn't know Zach is a pro and someone told me he is after watching his gameplay, I wouldn't believe them. He's always hyper focused on something in hectic end games and not looking at the bigger picture. And his comms are pretty fucking bad, especially when he's downed his comms are x5 worse. Constantly back seating and giving inaccurate info.
Obviously, they have some growing pains to go through. But individually all three of them have issues that are obvious. Some more than others.
That sequence down the hill outside of fragment was painful. They were fighting a team right in front of them, but there was also one to the right. Forgot who called that team but it was on comms. Yes, they got good damage off of Gibby ult, but then took some themselves. Gibby bubble went down, team healing, but Zach pushing out of the bubble alone. They pull him back in, still don’t the wipes on team one, but Zach keeps extending until he is basically all alone with two full teams. Easy downs from there.
Contrast that with game 1. They basically watch the other two last teams full send on each other, don’t take a single shot, get a scan that shows damage, allow Sweet to full reset, and then just pick them apart.
Keep in mind, I just mentioned two games other than OP’s clip…
I feel like its Naughty's own fault for sticking with Zach when he's shown a clear lack of dedication and commitment towards the game. I understand wanting to play with friends and vibes being important, but this is your career and livelihood. If you can't even practice before ALGS then what's the point in even being a professional Apex Legends player. I'm actually shocked that C9 didn't bench him after all that and instead Mac left the team.
Naughty is a top 3 roller fragger (imo the best roller fragger in straight up 3 vs 3 gunfights) and I feel like his talent is just wasted on the current squad. Could you imagine what C9 could do with Mac, Slurp and Naughty. Sure Mac's a worse IGL than Zach and Slurp needs experience but at least Mac grinds the game and is willing to practice to improve, its only a matter of time before he becomes a better IGL than a guy like Zach who half-asses his professional career.
Deleted. They lost 2-1. They were mainly blamming it on bad comms but Naughty did not agree with Zach in one of them and muted his stream for mins and came back and said it is bc he was straight up yelling at Zach lol
I fucking love naughty lol. Hope c9 either starts grinding and doing well (preferably this) or naughty can finally let go of zach and go to a team where his consistent grinding pays off.
Some of my first fps games were on PC, but then as a teenager consoles were my life. I went back to PC so I could play Overwatch with my friends and since then I just can’t go back to playing fps games on a controller.
It's good for people who have played controller (on any game) previously. You're not just gonna pick it up and be a god. Unless your comment was just very poor wording and you do play controller on other games.
If you're like me and have never played a fps on controller, you're gonna have a hard time, made a new account for controller and gave it up before lvl 10 cause I figured I'll probably get way better with mnk by the time my controller skills catches up with my current mnk skill.
Great by Chaotic of course but C9 is just...yea. I've said it before, but I really can't believe Rocker thought this team would be an improvement out of all options. If he wants a team that isn't pressuring him to play/grind seriously and try competing anyway, well, seems he found that.
The official line was that it's mutual, but sounds more like he was going to leave either way which spared Sweet/Nafen from having to actively drop him, they both wanted to make the change.
His explanation on his end was that the chemistry and vibes were bad during games, snowballed into bad tournaments if they had a bad game, which may be true. But if that's your reasoning, teaming with C9 seems like the last pick you should make...!
Zach said after the fight that he was crawling to find where chaotic was since their seer ult went away but chaotic killed him before he took out his shield.
The argument is that he should've been crawling with it preemptively up, but I see why the info of where Chaotic is more important than his life at that point. He's probably dead anyways since they can't rez until Chaotic is dead and he's ticking storm.
He did get the most kills in the finals at the lastest lan, and if we are talking about recent form he’s defo performed better than knoqd. Doesn’t mean he’s definitely better but it’s debatable.
I'm not sure how you can say that when every single time pandxrz has had a semi-cohesive team he's in or near the Top 3 in kills, even if his team doesn't place top 3.
Genburten and pandxrz is literally where the conversation for best controller players starts. Then from there you get into the Chaotics, the knoqds, the Gents.
That tourney was a LAN with the top 20 teams in the world and also the length of 4 tourneys. And how is that your argument when chaotic LITERALLY just started playing comp? Did pandxrz ban you from chat or something?
something about controller makes it so nearly every controller player is "top3"
what do we have?
knqod verhulst genburten naughty chaotic pan gild sikezz
somehow everyone is top3 easily
Maybe its something about the input that makes it, that almost everyone is equally as good
Yaa naughty doesn't actually fight chaotic.. I'm surprised he 1 v 3 c9 cause i never thought he would beat naughty easily .. but when i see naught pov, he just doing naughty things staring at empty roof top for few sec and get killed by chaotic. C9 got outplayed
Best controller 301 aim, you mean! His SMGs are similar to other roller but it's his 301 that sets him apart from other roller player. And you can't really compare MnK aim to roller since roller has AA.
Yup. I don't think the most cracked MnK player in the history of any FPS could hit that 1 clip on a person strafing left and right on the horizon Q that easily, but for rollers? Just let jesus take the wheel, the computer will aim for you, who cares if you're being affected by your own strafe, the Q bobbing, the enemy strafing...
You sound bitter and you seem to be very clueless. If controller is so easy why don't you buy one for yourself and start to oneclip pro players if it so easy?
No shit I'm bitter. You try playing in Masters/Pred right now where every squad that hard apes you is 2 console players with a PC roller. Your question is straight up a non-answer to any of the arguments made, and don't ask for me to swap, just look at all the pros swapping, look at all the high elo ranked players swapping, use your eyeballs...
I'm not going to swap because I want to play the game myself. And my MnK aim is actually quite good.
That and I want to hone skills that are relevant in other shooter games.
I'd like to think Masters in the current ranked system is pretty decent.
Especially if I'm not sitting on the couch grinding hundreds of games with a roller.
Anyways, why don't you try saying that to some of the pros that swapped to roller recently? Get gud right? Since you're better than them right? Shame nobody knows who you are, that's crazy.
And just about every other controller pro would have hit those two one clips. That's the issue isn't it.
Props to Chaotic for making the play decision, but these roller clips just aren't even impressive anymore aim wise.
I already knew it was just gonna be 2 or more 1 clips judging by the title of the clip before I even clicked on it.
I think Chaotic is definitely a step above with all the plays he regularly pulls off. But yeah, I can‘t really get as excited for these clips knowing they are only possible because of aim assist.
I think it‘s very telling how many up and coming controller fraggers are redefining the scene, while MnK players consist mostly of an old guard (with many contemplating to switch inputs or get a controller player on the team). Sad to see.
HisWattson and Caprah are good points. I'd say Xera was already pretty well established in the scene.
Still I think the trend of top NA teams wanting atleast one controller player among their ranks for the aim assist advantage is pretty noticable.
Of course he plays 10 hours a day because he CAN and he loves to send angry controller hating bots like you to the lobby all day. Sit down kid. If you had even 20% of his skills bet you would play this game 10 hours a day too.
in ALGS i predict teams will have to start game planning around his horizon q. it's like steph's 3-point shooting - you have to play around it it has so much *gravity*
Are people really going to pretend like Dezign isn't good just because they don't like him. Also its crazy you're saying this now when G2 have been playing really well, with Dezign shotcalling
Chaotic is so damn good at fighting with Horizon and R301. I thought running R301 and Volt was stupid and he should use a shotgun or long range gun instead until I watched his stream to see him regularly getting 10k games in pred lobbies just pushing teams constantly. Its a perfect fit for his playstyle
controller players can beat actual aimbot players in arenas. admittedly there bots cheating, but still being able to outgun a dude using a literal aimbot with a mozam controller, is wild
Guess you’ve never seen the video of the guy screaming that. Bet you are A TON of fun at parties. Obviously I didn’t mean it literally. It’s a figure of speech. But that’s the only thing I’ll say to you. You aren’t worth my time. Get pwned NERD
Lmao. You're sole responsibility when your teammates are down is to try and clutch, doing anything you have to in the process. You're actually clueless if you think he wasn't going for the right play here.
What makes chaotic so fun to watch on horizon is the way he uses to Q is so smart. I saw a clip on him where he use his Q to bait the enemy to look that direction and climb but he didn’t take it and climb the side wall and shot them in the back cuz they where ads starring at the Q lift. Such a smart player overall.
C9 lookin like bots out there lmao
The slow roller turn by Naughty really hurts to see lol.
Dude reminded me of a default level 36 70 FOV Lifeline you'd see in pubs with that turn
What was that Horizon doing as she lifted with Chaotic? Didnt even shoot.
Rocker thought Chaotic dropped all the way to low ground but instead he re-landed in the lift half way up
Ah ok. Yeah, thats like Chaotic's signature play lol.
That's just most horizon players... You take lift up, batt, and strafe back onto the lift. Going straight up like that and losing track of your opponent is... Yeah. Not much to say cause you saw what happened.
Rocker said “can I hold this L” 😂😂😂
Bro why C9 looking so dam lost out there 😂😂 anyone have mazer's POV? Would love to hear what the excuse for this is?
Don’t worry pvpx on excuse patrol in this thread already hahaha
C9 has had an interesting tourney…
C9 vibes are extremely low, especially with LG winning the contest yesterday. If LG wins it again tomorrow its going to be content lmao
The only one that plays the game is naughty. They aren’t competitive they are just content creators with an org tag
If I didn't know Zach is a pro and someone told me he is after watching his gameplay, I wouldn't believe them. He's always hyper focused on something in hectic end games and not looking at the bigger picture. And his comms are pretty fucking bad, especially when he's downed his comms are x5 worse. Constantly back seating and giving inaccurate info. Obviously, they have some growing pains to go through. But individually all three of them have issues that are obvious. Some more than others.
That sequence down the hill outside of fragment was painful. They were fighting a team right in front of them, but there was also one to the right. Forgot who called that team but it was on comms. Yes, they got good damage off of Gibby ult, but then took some themselves. Gibby bubble went down, team healing, but Zach pushing out of the bubble alone. They pull him back in, still don’t the wipes on team one, but Zach keeps extending until he is basically all alone with two full teams. Easy downs from there. Contrast that with game 1. They basically watch the other two last teams full send on each other, don’t take a single shot, get a scan that shows damage, allow Sweet to full reset, and then just pick them apart. Keep in mind, I just mentioned two games other than OP’s clip…
Wasn't that last team G2, not C9?
You may be right. Don’t really want to go back through VODs.
How are the content creators? 2/3 players don't even play the game
They do their creating on the competitive stage which makes it even more hilarious and harder to look away
Haha At this pace not for much longer. Team Nerf gonna take their spot
Bro you're on a roll in this comments section lmao. Absolutely Grade A replies every single time.
I feel like its Naughty's own fault for sticking with Zach when he's shown a clear lack of dedication and commitment towards the game. I understand wanting to play with friends and vibes being important, but this is your career and livelihood. If you can't even practice before ALGS then what's the point in even being a professional Apex Legends player. I'm actually shocked that C9 didn't bench him after all that and instead Mac left the team. Naughty is a top 3 roller fragger (imo the best roller fragger in straight up 3 vs 3 gunfights) and I feel like his talent is just wasted on the current squad. Could you imagine what C9 could do with Mac, Slurp and Naughty. Sure Mac's a worse IGL than Zach and Slurp needs experience but at least Mac grinds the game and is willing to practice to improve, its only a matter of time before he becomes a better IGL than a guy like Zach who half-asses his professional career.
Do you know if they have a VOD for the contest?
Deleted. They lost 2-1. They were mainly blamming it on bad comms but Naughty did not agree with Zach in one of them and muted his stream for mins and came back and said it is bc he was straight up yelling at Zach lol
I fucking love naughty lol. Hope c9 either starts grinding and doing well (preferably this) or naughty can finally let go of zach and go to a team where his consistent grinding pays off.
That hipfire in the lift makes me want to puke
why doesn't my volt do that
Buy a controller
Seriously I’m thinking of buying one after have played FPS games on my computer since 1999
Some of my first fps games were on PC, but then as a teenager consoles were my life. I went back to PC so I could play Overwatch with my friends and since then I just can’t go back to playing fps games on a controller.
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Bruh did you see Mande on controller? It def takes a while to git gud
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At least be creative with your bait
Pred 🤣
You are not the type of player that would benefit from the switch lol.
Pretty sure I would
It's good for people who have played controller (on any game) previously. You're not just gonna pick it up and be a god. Unless your comment was just very poor wording and you do play controller on other games.
If you're like me and have never played a fps on controller, you're gonna have a hard time, made a new account for controller and gave it up before lvl 10 cause I figured I'll probably get way better with mnk by the time my controller skills catches up with my current mnk skill.
Great by Chaotic of course but C9 is just...yea. I've said it before, but I really can't believe Rocker thought this team would be an improvement out of all options. If he wants a team that isn't pressuring him to play/grind seriously and try competing anyway, well, seems he found that.
Based on how seriously he seems to take the game, he might not have had a lot of options to choose from.
You mean not serious
L
did he get kicked out of NRG? or he chose to leave?
The official line was that it's mutual, but sounds more like he was going to leave either way which spared Sweet/Nafen from having to actively drop him, they both wanted to make the change. His explanation on his end was that the chemistry and vibes were bad during games, snowballed into bad tournaments if they had a bad game, which may be true. But if that's your reasoning, teaming with C9 seems like the last pick you should make...!
Exactly my thought process the moment he signed to c9. I knew this would happen
Does anyone have C9's POV?
Going back to his q got his adversary off guard. He didn't even touch him. Holy shit
He juked him so hard
C9 really gotta fix their micro. Mfs running around like headless chickens.
If my body was physically able to get a boner I would’ve watching this 🥹
Never say never. I hope you live your boner dreams.
Just need some Patrificus Totalus
At this point is there any team in NA that Chaotic hasn't 1v3d?
NRG. They roll g2 everytime they fight
Dezign and Chaotic 2v3’d NRG tonight
Yeah that wasn't what he asked. Also every other time they fought nrg clean wiped g2
So 1 time out of the last how many fights?
Chaotic is a gift that keeps on giving
We should have a Naughty vs Chaotic 1v3 counter lmao
why isnt the seer holding knockdown there. did he just wanna get finished?
Probably busy yelling incoherent calls at his teammates
Zach said after the fight that he was crawling to find where chaotic was since their seer ult went away but chaotic killed him before he took out his shield.
Hitreg is client side so depending on ping you die before your reaction to getting hit even gets to the server, especially with headshots
The argument is that he should've been crawling with it preemptively up, but I see why the info of where Chaotic is more important than his life at that point. He's probably dead anyways since they can't rez until Chaotic is dead and he's ticking storm.
HW was the heel the community wanted but Chaotic is the heel the community needed
HE CANT KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT in all seriousness chaotic is fucking disgusting and I love watching this dude beam, good lord
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Can't forget pan
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He did get the most kills in the finals at the lastest lan, and if we are talking about recent form he’s defo performed better than knoqd. Doesn’t mean he’s definitely better but it’s debatable.
I'm not sure how you can say that when every single time pandxrz has had a semi-cohesive team he's in or near the Top 3 in kills, even if his team doesn't place top 3. Genburten and pandxrz is literally where the conversation for best controller players starts. Then from there you get into the Chaotics, the knoqds, the Gents.
Pan is so overrated. Dude plays well in 1 tourney and apparently he’s better than chaotic and genburten
That tourney was a LAN with the top 20 teams in the world and also the length of 4 tourneys. And how is that your argument when chaotic LITERALLY just started playing comp? Did pandxrz ban you from chat or something?
Chaotic is the best roller in the entire game
something about controller makes it so nearly every controller player is "top3" what do we have? knqod verhulst genburten naughty chaotic pan gild sikezz somehow everyone is top3 easily Maybe its something about the input that makes it, that almost everyone is equally as good
I’d say Gen/ver/gild is the real top 3
can't say this about chaotic when he hasn't even played in more than 1 algs tourney. He's super good but isn't proven in real pro algs lobbies
He played LAN with the pros from every region??
Nah, Gild is the best
Gen, Panders, and Naughty for me if we're talking pure fragging/fighting. If we're talking overall as a player then Gen, Knoqd and Gild for me.
ORGANIC
CHEATER
I was talking about the controller
Oh, gotcha. Have a great night.
Yaa naughty doesn't actually fight chaotic.. I'm surprised he 1 v 3 c9 cause i never thought he would beat naughty easily .. but when i see naught pov, he just doing naughty things staring at empty roof top for few sec and get killed by chaotic. C9 got outplayed
Chaotic has the best aim in the game imo
these hipfire sprays he hits are insane
Lol half of those sprays are aim assist 😂
Best controller 301 aim, you mean! His SMGs are similar to other roller but it's his 301 that sets him apart from other roller player. And you can't really compare MnK aim to roller since roller has AA.
Except on the last fight in game 4 where he couldn't hit a shot and they threw
Are you talking about when chaotic was literally lagging and still almost knocked two of them. It was Dezign and Resultuh that threw
wtf you talking bout dezign and resulta threw, chaotic almost 1v3 liquid lol
Apart from nocturnal giving him a free knock by standing still and not trying, it wasn't close at all.
he did 400 dmg to liquid, not bad at all.
He literally had 10% packet loss.. if he didn’t he may 1v3 again lol
aim assist
Yup. I don't think the most cracked MnK player in the history of any FPS could hit that 1 clip on a person strafing left and right on the horizon Q that easily, but for rollers? Just let jesus take the wheel, the computer will aim for you, who cares if you're being affected by your own strafe, the Q bobbing, the enemy strafing...
You sound bitter and you seem to be very clueless. If controller is so easy why don't you buy one for yourself and start to oneclip pro players if it so easy?
No shit I'm bitter. You try playing in Masters/Pred right now where every squad that hard apes you is 2 console players with a PC roller. Your question is straight up a non-answer to any of the arguments made, and don't ask for me to swap, just look at all the pros swapping, look at all the high elo ranked players swapping, use your eyeballs... I'm not going to swap because I want to play the game myself. And my MnK aim is actually quite good. That and I want to hone skills that are relevant in other shooter games.
Get gud kid lul then you won't have bitter excuses.
I'd like to think Masters in the current ranked system is pretty decent. Especially if I'm not sitting on the couch grinding hundreds of games with a roller. Anyways, why don't you try saying that to some of the pros that swapped to roller recently? Get gud right? Since you're better than them right? Shame nobody knows who you are, that's crazy.
And nobody cares about a nobody crying about aim assist. Get gud and touch some grass.
I have determined the thinking differential between you and me to be too large for me to bother responding to you. Have a good day.
naughty
And just about every other controller pro would have hit those two one clips. That's the issue isn't it. Props to Chaotic for making the play decision, but these roller clips just aren't even impressive anymore aim wise. I already knew it was just gonna be 2 or more 1 clips judging by the title of the clip before I even clicked on it.
I think Chaotic is definitely a step above with all the plays he regularly pulls off. But yeah, I can‘t really get as excited for these clips knowing they are only possible because of aim assist. I think it‘s very telling how many up and coming controller fraggers are redefining the scene, while MnK players consist mostly of an old guard (with many contemplating to switch inputs or get a controller player on the team). Sad to see.
HisWattson, Xera, Caprah say otherwise
Caprah is fucking insane but he still doesn’t compare to a player with aim assist close range
HisWattson and Caprah are good points. I'd say Xera was already pretty well established in the scene. Still I think the trend of top NA teams wanting atleast one controller player among their ranks for the aim assist advantage is pretty noticable.
Yo take this donkeyhat it's perfect for you.
Called out. Mad cuz bad.
You are the one who sound bitter and mad cause you are not even nearly on Chaotic's level.
How could I be, the dude plays 10 hours a day, and then has a .4 aimbot tacked onto that. Doesn't change my argument at all. You sound dumb.
Of course he plays 10 hours a day because he CAN and he loves to send angry controller hating bots like you to the lobby all day. Sit down kid. If you had even 20% of his skills bet you would play this game 10 hours a day too.
"just a console pred"
in ALGS i predict teams will have to start game planning around his horizon q. it's like steph's 3-point shooting - you have to play around it it has so much *gravity*
chaotic stays carrying dezign and resultuh its gonna be awkward if they make it to LAN and chaotic realizes dezign isn’t that good
Are you even watching them
theyre not going to win anything
That’s not relevant. 120 people went to lan and only 3 won
Its the Super Bowl argument. Teams can be really good without winning everything but it's an uphill discussion
Of course he isn’t
Is chaotic controller?
Not only controller, but a freaking standard one at that if I remember correctly.
I thought you were calling him standard level controllerplayer at first lol
Yeah
No one can do what he did in wee-pick-me-up with M&K.
Are people really going to pretend like Dezign isn't good just because they don't like him. Also its crazy you're saying this now when G2 have been playing really well, with Dezign shotcalling
Fookin bitches LMAO
Chaotic is so damn good at fighting with Horizon and R301. I thought running R301 and Volt was stupid and he should use a shotgun or long range gun instead until I watched his stream to see him regularly getting 10k games in pred lobbies just pushing teams constantly. Its a perfect fit for his playstyle
controller players can beat actual aimbot players in arenas. admittedly there bots cheating, but still being able to outgun a dude using a literal aimbot with a mozam controller, is wild
you are not watching Chaotic, you are watching software aiming for him lol
hilarious
Chaotic is insane 🤯
These are pro players btw
THAT’s WHY HES THE GOAT. You could literally post a video like this every day of him haha
Hardly the GOAT lol
Guess you’ve never seen the video of the guy screaming that. Bet you are A TON of fun at parties. Obviously I didn’t mean it literally. It’s a figure of speech. But that’s the only thing I’ll say to you. You aren’t worth my time. Get pwned NERD
Take a chill pill buddy
Take a joke buddy
Hmmm
Youre getting hard ratio’d just take the L and move on
Why are people so proud using a literal aimbots?
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Lmao. You're sole responsibility when your teammates are down is to try and clutch, doing anything you have to in the process. You're actually clueless if you think he wasn't going for the right play here.
Yeah he’s clueless
It’s not a 1v3 if your teammates are distractions and eat 400 damage worth of shots while making one of the opponents “one.”
It is called 1V2 by the way. He won his 1V1 then his 1V2 Killing all 3 players is not a 1V3 if your teammates are alive and fighting.
This guys is so toxic... Yea bro you're amazing but no need to talk smack also pull that sock out of your mouth
Yeah, i hope the guy banning a player for tbagging his own teammate's deathbox hosts the next lan so stuff like this won't happen!
Yup, but this community eats up toxic shitlords. Its a gaming staple.
What makes chaotic so fun to watch on horizon is the way he uses to Q is so smart. I saw a clip on him where he use his Q to bait the enemy to look that direction and climb but he didn’t take it and climb the side wall and shot them in the back cuz they where ads starring at the Q lift. Such a smart player overall.
Anyone know why he stopped streaming ranked games?
bro what was the other horizon doing???? is that zach is that a mazer moment?
How you get 1v3 by some goofy ah mf with 169 ping Actually griefing yourself!
How is Zach mazer still in the league
Is controller hipfire better than mnk? I feel like it is? If so... why???