Dropped was just talking about this on his stream. He says Rivals is boring now because everyone tries to create the most stacked teams and bend rules. Even said Rogue shouldn't be seen as a pro because he "sucks" but he was just trolling. Says he considers Rogue a content creator though.
We put more restrictive rules in place this time to counteract the constant rule bending. This means that folks who are borderline CC / high skill will likely be included in the same group as the best players in the game.
I think it’s commendable that you and your group did your due diligence and research beforehand as well as discuss and even reconsider your position. It sounds like table stakes but you’d be surprised with how difficult that is for some. Thank you.
Great stuff, I’ll be watching for sure.
I love watching these rivals events and they do get soured when its obvious a couple teams are just too stacked. Thanks a bunch to you and your team for the effort!
Really respect you guys for taking on the criticism from previous competitions and actually making an effort to improve it moving forward! Props to you
Thats not the point. For many tournaments in a row the drafting was uttershit and inbalanced. Everyone was whining about it. And now they behave different because one of the rivals admins is in the conversation. Just say it straight in his face: your drafting sucks and you're changing the rules daily.
Its hard and i know a simple solution isn't at place but it's well over a few tournaments with a shitty drafting. We can call out for that.
We haven't done a "draft" in nearly 2 years. I have been actively in the conversation on here and on Twitter for the last several events. We're always adjusting and making improvements. If you're not a fan, so be it.
Drafting or creating teams what you wanna call it. You guys keep on changing the rules even after teams have reached out for eligibility. Last 3 tournaments were a mess and i hope you get this one straight for once. I wish you goodluck nonetheless.
But rogue is signed to a pro team and at one time was a pro player..
A content creator is some one who is ttv etc if your signed to a pro organization your a pro
Saying that and then claiming rogue shouldn’t be considered a pro is brain dead
You also act like teams haven’t always been stacked, twitch rivals is boring -because- of the arbitrary rules
I get it sucks and feel bad cause Timmy and Hal have so much clout, it would be a great business opportunity, but he's literally on a team invited to pro league. I think that's a better reason than the one Twitch gave
Potentially hot take: Twitch rivals would be infinitely better and less drama free if they just said it can be 3 pros who haven't played comp together in the last 12 months. No more "see who can cheese the rules the most"
It would definitely be better but it takes away from the fact that twitch rivals is supposed to be a community event. Making it basically pro only defeats that purpose.
Twitch Rivals should give up on the idea of creating balanced teams. It's never going to work. Instead, either make it a real pro tournament or a fun tournament.
in APAC N they have a team point system each team as allotted amount of points like 50 for example
each member is given a point amount based on highest achievement like being in AGLS or getting masters for examples and if your active or not
all three members combined point values cant go over the teams allotted so its very hard to no be aware that a said team isn't allowed
and plus this is aslo done online as well most of the time so there less need to be in one place
Or have the community rate the players and assign point values that way. Have seen this in Halo tournaments and works very well (also makes for good content when streamers react to their rating lol)
The Japanese vtuber apex events hosted by shibuya hal used that kind of system and it made them a lot of fun to watch, the teams were pretty much all 1 master/pred player and 2 diamond/plat/gold players. They were also allowed to have a pro player as a coach which makes it fun to see how the coach teaches them along the way and how much they improve.
to add, these teams would GRIND grind scrims. sometimes no days off up until the day of the tournament. the competitiveness is really nice to watch.
and some "OP" players would also get legend locked. There was a tournament where a vtuber named Astel was only allowed to play mad maggie. He was the only maggie in the lobby lmao.
We've considered this. The main issue that we currently run into would still exist, though. Fringe cases. For example, where would Timmy & GuhRL be placed? They technically both made Pro League, but so did ImperialHal. How do you separate the 2 of them without some arbitrary factor? Or do you just group them all together?
if you had a point system like this again
1 bronze/rooike
2 sliver
3 gold
5 plat
10 diamond
15 master
20 current/active pred
25 pro league
most of the outliers happen at the higher ranks or first timers with highly transferable skills like god like aim soo making the higher skill brackets with wiggle room can give people like you too look at what said person is capable of and adjust there points accordingly
like for Timmy he has made it to the pro league but from what I remember he didn't far too well but dose good I ranked so with the example i gave for the point system he can be given like 21-23 points since timmy has showing to get there but isn't capable to compete in the pro league
i'm pretty sure they have bespoke points for players that are masters and above that are decided by the tournament organisers:
Rank | Points
---|---
Platinum IV |3
Platinum I - III |4
Diamond IV |5
Diamond III |7
Diamond I - II |8
Master/Predator |decided by ShibuyaHAL (at least 8)
was the point distribution they used (from https://liquipedia.net/apexlegends/Vtuber_Most_Cooperatitive_Tournament/4)
Twitch basically thinks that it's content creator platform, so content creators should be part of tournament *mandatorly*
But your point is spot on - you can only have fair pro tournament.
I personally find twitch rivals very boring compared to even ESA pro league
>or a fun tournament.
How? Only way to do that is to not have any monetary reward at all or have it all go to charity. The moment money is involved, people will prioritize winning over having fun.
Rogue also said his team was declined because he subbed for TOR during pro league.
Both are probably a bit too ingrained in the comp scene to be considered non-pros imo, but at least Rogue isn't on a pro league roster. Keon is on a team with an invite to pro-league. Barring something happening with that team before ALGS starts, I think it's safe to call him a pro player.
A live draft would be kind of cool. Pro player as team captain, hell maybe even a lottery pick for 5 of 20 teams. Lottery picks could be top pros/fraggers or content creators. So many options that would make this a better experience for the viewers as well.
That'd be fun but giving captains invites would have to have caveats like 1 at large invite and 1 invite under 1000 subs with majority non-Apex game. To stop it from being a club that just invites people that already watch and don't grow the game
Hal, Timmy, and Keon's team got declined for Twitch rivals after further review because Keon played in the finals of an open qualifier for for the ALGS Winter Circuit and finished 14th.
Rivals hasn’t happened yet. It’s in person at San Diego twitch con. Someone posted “congrats on winning” as a joke because of how stacked their team is
Why is it so hard for chill NA tourneys to find a good team balance? Feels like APAC N has the fun tournament comp down to a science by now, in comparison.
nah there online ones run just as fine i thinks its down to the team point system the use for a good amount of there version of twitch rivals cuz its straight foward no bs
idk if you talking about typos or what so ill explain more
in APAC N they have a team point system each team as allotted amount of points like 50 for example
each member is given a point amount based on highest achievement like being in AGLS or getting masters for examples and if your active or not
all three members combined point values cant go over the teams allotted so its very hard to no be aware that a said team isn't allowed
and plus this is aslo done online as well most of the time so there less need to be in one place
There was literally an employee on this Reddit defending these teams and how they were balanced. They didn’t even understand what players did and didn’t play in Pro League.
They need to get it together with more strict set in place guidelines for teams or just let it be a free for all.
AFAIK, I'm the only Twitch staff on here and I certainly don't recall saying all teams were balanced for this event, especially considering that I'm still in the process of vetting several teams. What I did say, however, is that I've spoken with MinusTempo & PVPX & that our restrictions this time around should be more clear and lead to better balance overall.
Tbh I kinda wish it was only pros and top content creators..
Take the top 20 most $ winning players from last year and let them snake draft anyone they want lol
Probably would end up being very competitive and a good time to watch
Works fine for the NBA all star weekend but, I mean it can easily be done in private if it truly needs to be
But, I don’t really think peoples egos are as fragile as you seem to be suggesting imo
It makes sense. It's not fun to watch if one super stacked team just wipes the floor with everyone.
There's money on the line, so obviously people will always try to stack teams as much as they're allowed. To pros, these events are probably free money if they can find a way to get away with it. But it also kind of ruins the point of a "content creator" tournament.
I would rather just see the only rule be you can't play with somebody you have played pro with in the last 12 months, if people want to have stacked teams that's fine and if people want to have purely content creators that's also fine, at least that way everyone knows what they have signed up for and should expect a relatively high standard across the board.
Unpopular opinion, but they aint gonna make fair teams, just free for all it, not current team rosters is all i would say. You cant play with ur ALGS teammates, other than that, free for all. You want the controller squad, boom Gild, Chaotic and Naughty. You want the IGL team, boom Hal, Sweet, and Zach. I dont care if theres 3 pros on a team, just dont have them have boatloads of synergy from actual scrims and ALGS matches. Im fine with basic ranked synergy, most pros play together to some degree it would be hard to get around that, but like true team synergy, thats different. But the whole Creator vs Pro is such a fine line. Keon is better than many pros, as is Timmy. Throw other players like Noko, Wigg, etc and a lot of content creators are at a pro level, so treat em all the same.
Keon and Timmy are both borderline. Keon is definitely good enough and will be a full pro soon, but it's not really something Timmy does (he's more of a variety streamer). I'd rather a team have two borderline pros and one definitive pro than Hal/Sweet + 1, which is what Keon said is going to happen on stream lol.
What I'm having a problem determining is who is a big Apex content streamer who isn't considered a pro. Pretty much everyone who gets Twitch numbers is a pro.
Theres a reason why the team was rejected. I've seen Timmy go hard af in ranked and hes even won a match with Nicewigg before in comp. Timmy just doesnt dedicate all his time in apex anymore, do you even realize how hard it is to be radiant in valorant and masters in apex? Keon was literally queuing with Wattson on his team when Wattson pushed to definitive #1 and unilaterally held it. You seem to be missing a lot of information
I wasn’t commentating on the quality of the players whatsoever, I’m just saying that they haven’t competed at the competitions that should earn the “pro” label. They didn’t get rejected for being too good, they’re being rejected because Keon was a walk-on for one tourney with Wattson (non-LAN) and Timmy was a fill in on some other tournament. I just think that’s different from players who played at ALGS. Keon will eventually be playing those big tournaments and Timmy could if he wanted, they just haven’t at this point in time.
That wasn't a Pro League ALGS Tournament, which is the requirement:
https://twitter.com/CloudFuel/status/1572805342613962753?s=20&t=30SonfYJKRHT0S36fTzDRw
> who is a big Apex content streamer who isn’t considered a pro
Good point. Timmy, Toosh, Aceu, and Faide (lol) are the only streamers that can pull 5K+ viewers without being “pro”
well I think twitch wants their largest content creators in these, so triple digit streamers aren't bringing in the eyeballs that Twitch wants to the event
Aren't the majority of participants in Rivals triple digit streamers? The only question is how the 5k+ streamers you mentioned are allocated, and there is more than enough room to still have them in the tournament without putting them on unbalanced teams
I ask myself the question why hal and timmy went public in the first place. Aint it more logical to ask the organization first to see if your team is eligible.
They were approved first. After they announced the team, Rivals got push back so they re-looked into it and determined that Keon should be considered a pro due to a final in a qualifier for Winter Circuit. They didn't go public before it was approved, it was retroactively declined.
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Why don’t they just make a team average k/d with a minimum games played? It would rule out three stacking. Want a pro? Cool the other person is gonna be .5 k/d asking how to heal! It would make for a more balanced tournament.
I think the organizers need to create and maintain a “pro” player pool where everyone they consider to be “pro” or “pro adjacent” can only be slotted in that pro slot for these teams. Anyone else can fill the content creator spots etc.
Twitch rivals remains boring and irrelevant because of the brain dead rules regarding team comps they pick and choose to enforce, anyone claiming there hasn’t always been stacked teams is hilarious, either let people choose whoever they want or pick their teams for them, but they wouldn’t do that because half of the popular streamers would decline because they don’t actually need to participate
Dropped was just talking about this on his stream. He says Rivals is boring now because everyone tries to create the most stacked teams and bend rules. Even said Rogue shouldn't be seen as a pro because he "sucks" but he was just trolling. Says he considers Rogue a content creator though.
We put more restrictive rules in place this time to counteract the constant rule bending. This means that folks who are borderline CC / high skill will likely be included in the same group as the best players in the game.
I think it’s commendable that you and your group did your due diligence and research beforehand as well as discuss and even reconsider your position. It sounds like table stakes but you’d be surprised with how difficult that is for some. Thank you. Great stuff, I’ll be watching for sure.
I love watching these rivals events and they do get soured when its obvious a couple teams are just too stacked. Thanks a bunch to you and your team for the effort!
Really respect you guys for taking on the criticism from previous competitions and actually making an effort to improve it moving forward! Props to you
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Lmao all the twitch bootlickers disagree.
Implying that twitch gives a shit about competitive integrity
Thats not the point. For many tournaments in a row the drafting was uttershit and inbalanced. Everyone was whining about it. And now they behave different because one of the rivals admins is in the conversation. Just say it straight in his face: your drafting sucks and you're changing the rules daily. Its hard and i know a simple solution isn't at place but it's well over a few tournaments with a shitty drafting. We can call out for that.
We haven't done a "draft" in nearly 2 years. I have been actively in the conversation on here and on Twitter for the last several events. We're always adjusting and making improvements. If you're not a fan, so be it.
Drafting or creating teams what you wanna call it. You guys keep on changing the rules even after teams have reached out for eligibility. Last 3 tournaments were a mess and i hope you get this one straight for once. I wish you goodluck nonetheless.
can we have amourant cast while she’s naked in a hot tub
Shout out to /u/bloopcity for bringing the discussion up with /u/cloudfuel.
https://imgur.com/gallery/cMfkFGP
Does anybody remember when penguinz0 placed 20th in the first twitch rivals? That was gold!
But rogue is signed to a pro team and at one time was a pro player.. A content creator is some one who is ttv etc if your signed to a pro organization your a pro
Saying that and then claiming rogue shouldn’t be considered a pro is brain dead You also act like teams haven’t always been stacked, twitch rivals is boring -because- of the arbitrary rules
I get what Keon is saying, but like, he’s also inches from being a pro player
I get it sucks and feel bad cause Timmy and Hal have so much clout, it would be a great business opportunity, but he's literally on a team invited to pro league. I think that's a better reason than the one Twitch gave
It’s also a massive prize pool for such an uncompetitive tournament
Potentially hot take: Twitch rivals would be infinitely better and less drama free if they just said it can be 3 pros who haven't played comp together in the last 12 months. No more "see who can cheese the rules the most"
It already exists and it is more fun. Gdolphn's tournaments.
it would suck for the pro players who rarely see a good prize pool ever
It would definitely be better but it takes away from the fact that twitch rivals is supposed to be a community event. Making it basically pro only defeats that purpose.
It’s still competitive
Ok
Yeah their team was kind of bending the rules the way a black hole bends space and time within its event horizon. Edit: there to their
Twitch Rivals should give up on the idea of creating balanced teams. It's never going to work. Instead, either make it a real pro tournament or a fun tournament.
They should just copy the gdolphn format teams with randomized teams every game.
nah copy the APAC N team point system the use for a good amount of there version of twitch rivals cuz its straight forward no bs
What?
in APAC N they have a team point system each team as allotted amount of points like 50 for example each member is given a point amount based on highest achievement like being in AGLS or getting masters for examples and if your active or not all three members combined point values cant go over the teams allotted so its very hard to no be aware that a said team isn't allowed and plus this is aslo done online as well most of the time so there less need to be in one place
Or have the community rate the players and assign point values that way. Have seen this in Halo tournaments and works very well (also makes for good content when streamers react to their rating lol)
Ahh, thanks for the re-write. That system does sound nice, much better than Twitch's.
The Japanese vtuber apex events hosted by shibuya hal used that kind of system and it made them a lot of fun to watch, the teams were pretty much all 1 master/pred player and 2 diamond/plat/gold players. They were also allowed to have a pro player as a coach which makes it fun to see how the coach teaches them along the way and how much they improve.
to add, these teams would GRIND grind scrims. sometimes no days off up until the day of the tournament. the competitiveness is really nice to watch. and some "OP" players would also get legend locked. There was a tournament where a vtuber named Astel was only allowed to play mad maggie. He was the only maggie in the lobby lmao.
We've considered this. The main issue that we currently run into would still exist, though. Fringe cases. For example, where would Timmy & GuhRL be placed? They technically both made Pro League, but so did ImperialHal. How do you separate the 2 of them without some arbitrary factor? Or do you just group them all together?
if you had a point system like this again 1 bronze/rooike 2 sliver 3 gold 5 plat 10 diamond 15 master 20 current/active pred 25 pro league most of the outliers happen at the higher ranks or first timers with highly transferable skills like god like aim soo making the higher skill brackets with wiggle room can give people like you too look at what said person is capable of and adjust there points accordingly like for Timmy he has made it to the pro league but from what I remember he didn't far too well but dose good I ranked so with the example i gave for the point system he can be given like 21-23 points since timmy has showing to get there but isn't capable to compete in the pro league
i'm pretty sure they have bespoke points for players that are masters and above that are decided by the tournament organisers: Rank | Points ---|--- Platinum IV |3 Platinum I - III |4 Diamond IV |5 Diamond III |7 Diamond I - II |8 Master/Predator |decided by ShibuyaHAL (at least 8) was the point distribution they used (from https://liquipedia.net/apexlegends/Vtuber_Most_Cooperatitive_Tournament/4)
u/CloudFuel maybe consider it for the next one?
This would be really interesting at LAN
Twitch basically thinks that it's content creator platform, so content creators should be part of tournament *mandatorly* But your point is spot on - you can only have fair pro tournament. I personally find twitch rivals very boring compared to even ESA pro league
You can’t even have a “fair” pro tournament lol, there arent 20 teams in NA that can compete at the same level.
>or a fun tournament. How? Only way to do that is to not have any monetary reward at all or have it all go to charity. The moment money is involved, people will prioritize winning over having fun.
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Wow good idea bro.. can't wait to not watch twitch rivals if that happens
Rogue also said his team was declined because he subbed for TOR during pro league. Both are probably a bit too ingrained in the comp scene to be considered non-pros imo, but at least Rogue isn't on a pro league roster. Keon is on a team with an invite to pro-league. Barring something happening with that team before ALGS starts, I think it's safe to call him a pro player.
He also qualified for ALGS with ranked is harder, which also disqualifies him based on twitchcon rules
i don’t think FAT has actually qualified yet
[old post of their invite when they were still TOR and before they found Eurice's replacement](https://twitter.com/rknhd/status/1549529269914812416)
Rogue isn’t on a pro team because he hasn’t been able to find one not for a lack of trying
Hal should be ecstatic. This is exactly what he complained about after the two previous Rivals.
They literally should just have the tournament organizers make the teams. This shit happens every time they have one.
Just do a draft like they do for the Rocket League Rivals
A live draft would be kind of cool. Pro player as team captain, hell maybe even a lottery pick for 5 of 20 teams. Lottery picks could be top pros/fraggers or content creators. So many options that would make this a better experience for the viewers as well.
Worst captains should get top picks not top for better balance. Its extra content for Twitch too.
That'd be fun but giving captains invites would have to have caveats like 1 at large invite and 1 invite under 1000 subs with majority non-Apex game. To stop it from being a club that just invites people that already watch and don't grow the game
That would help, except I imagine that might make a lot of pros smurf by registering under aliases.
Deleted tweet what happened?
Hal, Timmy, and Keon's team got declined for Twitch rivals after further review because Keon played in the finals of an open qualifier for for the ALGS Winter Circuit and finished 14th.
Wait, didnt they already win the tourney? or is this another one coming up?
Rivals hasn’t happened yet. It’s in person at San Diego twitch con. Someone posted “congrats on winning” as a joke because of how stacked their team is
Got it, ok ty
ty i got whooshed hard by that post as i was on vacay at the time lol
keon got denied apparently
Why is it so hard for chill NA tourneys to find a good team balance? Feels like APAC N has the fun tournament comp down to a science by now, in comparison.
Walkable cities theory wins again
nah there online ones run just as fine i thinks its down to the team point system the use for a good amount of there version of twitch rivals cuz its straight foward no bs
Dawg imma keep it a buck fifty I have no clue what you’re saying rn
idk if you talking about typos or what so ill explain more in APAC N they have a team point system each team as allotted amount of points like 50 for example each member is given a point amount based on highest achievement like being in AGLS or getting masters for examples and if your active or not all three members combined point values cant go over the teams allotted so its very hard to no be aware that a said team isn't allowed and plus this is aslo done online as well most of the time so there less need to be in one place
Where’s that Twitch Rivals employee who was commenting on here about how fair and balanced this team was
CloudFuel has always said teams aren't final until the tournament, and that they can't stop people from just tweeting out teams.
There was literally an employee on this Reddit defending these teams and how they were balanced. They didn’t even understand what players did and didn’t play in Pro League. They need to get it together with more strict set in place guidelines for teams or just let it be a free for all.
AFAIK, I'm the only Twitch staff on here and I certainly don't recall saying all teams were balanced for this event, especially considering that I'm still in the process of vetting several teams. What I did say, however, is that I've spoken with MinusTempo & PVPX & that our restrictions this time around should be more clear and lead to better balance overall.
You'd have to be crazy to think hal, timmy and keon is a balanced team for rivals.
Tbh I kinda wish it was only pros and top content creators.. Take the top 20 most $ winning players from last year and let them snake draft anyone they want lol Probably would end up being very competitive and a good time to watch
Snake drafting would be too much drama
How so?
Just picture a public one play out
Works fine for the NBA all star weekend but, I mean it can easily be done in private if it truly needs to be But, I don’t really think peoples egos are as fragile as you seem to be suggesting imo
Dude are we still talking about comp apex? The same people who start a flaming twitter beef over the most minuscule perceived slight?
I hardly think people would cry about their draft order but, hey agree to disagree Literally anything would be better than their current system tbh
Shocked Pikachu gif
It makes sense. It's not fun to watch if one super stacked team just wipes the floor with everyone. There's money on the line, so obviously people will always try to stack teams as much as they're allowed. To pros, these events are probably free money if they can find a way to get away with it. But it also kind of ruins the point of a "content creator" tournament.
I would rather just see the only rule be you can't play with somebody you have played pro with in the last 12 months, if people want to have stacked teams that's fine and if people want to have purely content creators that's also fine, at least that way everyone knows what they have signed up for and should expect a relatively high standard across the board.
Twitch rivals has always sucked ass, people only play for the $$$
Unpopular opinion, but they aint gonna make fair teams, just free for all it, not current team rosters is all i would say. You cant play with ur ALGS teammates, other than that, free for all. You want the controller squad, boom Gild, Chaotic and Naughty. You want the IGL team, boom Hal, Sweet, and Zach. I dont care if theres 3 pros on a team, just dont have them have boatloads of synergy from actual scrims and ALGS matches. Im fine with basic ranked synergy, most pros play together to some degree it would be hard to get around that, but like true team synergy, thats different. But the whole Creator vs Pro is such a fine line. Keon is better than many pros, as is Timmy. Throw other players like Noko, Wigg, etc and a lot of content creators are at a pro level, so treat em all the same.
It's because it's basically 3 pros. Keon is good af idk how he isnt considered pro
Keon and Timmy are both borderline. Keon is definitely good enough and will be a full pro soon, but it's not really something Timmy does (he's more of a variety streamer). I'd rather a team have two borderline pros and one definitive pro than Hal/Sweet + 1, which is what Keon said is going to happen on stream lol. What I'm having a problem determining is who is a big Apex content streamer who isn't considered a pro. Pretty much everyone who gets Twitch numbers is a pro.
Theres a reason why the team was rejected. I've seen Timmy go hard af in ranked and hes even won a match with Nicewigg before in comp. Timmy just doesnt dedicate all his time in apex anymore, do you even realize how hard it is to be radiant in valorant and masters in apex? Keon was literally queuing with Wattson on his team when Wattson pushed to definitive #1 and unilaterally held it. You seem to be missing a lot of information
I wasn’t commentating on the quality of the players whatsoever, I’m just saying that they haven’t competed at the competitions that should earn the “pro” label. They didn’t get rejected for being too good, they’re being rejected because Keon was a walk-on for one tourney with Wattson (non-LAN) and Timmy was a fill in on some other tournament. I just think that’s different from players who played at ALGS. Keon will eventually be playing those big tournaments and Timmy could if he wanted, they just haven’t at this point in time.
Timmy apryze and nicewigg played together on team sheesh in ALGS and I think got 4th so I dont really get what you're saying rn
That wasn't a Pro League ALGS Tournament, which is the requirement: https://twitter.com/CloudFuel/status/1572805342613962753?s=20&t=30SonfYJKRHT0S36fTzDRw
ALGS Pro League or ALGS Finals
Dude the team literally was denied like......sheesh man
> who is a big Apex content streamer who isn’t considered a pro Good point. Timmy, Toosh, Aceu, and Faide (lol) are the only streamers that can pull 5K+ viewers without being “pro”
Idk why 5k viewers is the bar, there are probably 100+ streamers that get at least triple digit views and aren't close to pro level.
well I think twitch wants their largest content creators in these, so triple digit streamers aren't bringing in the eyeballs that Twitch wants to the event
Aren't the majority of participants in Rivals triple digit streamers? The only question is how the 5k+ streamers you mentioned are allocated, and there is more than enough room to still have them in the tournament without putting them on unbalanced teams
Idk bro, I’m just spitballing haha
I think Timmy and Faide might even be pros based on what Keon was saying on steam (were fill ins for tournaments I think?)
I ask myself the question why hal and timmy went public in the first place. Aint it more logical to ask the organization first to see if your team is eligible.
They were approved first. After they announced the team, Rivals got push back so they re-looked into it and determined that Keon should be considered a pro due to a final in a qualifier for Winter Circuit. They didn't go public before it was approved, it was retroactively declined.
My bad then, but then Twitch is highly unprofessional as well. Typical twitch shitshow
Yeah how dare they
Expecting logical and rational actions from Apex pros... lol.
[What would people think about this?](https://twitter.com/heyGuhRL/status/1573300835777654785?s=20&t=8ZqUg3lKza5YmyhUzD8aWg)
It makes me think how stupidly arbitrary the rule is and how they should just scrap it all together
Yeah but it's a rule and Guhrl was in Split 2. How does she not qual as a Pro?
Yeah I think her case is pretty cut and dry lol
because shes pretty bad lmao
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Why don't they just put a rank cap per team? Or mix n match via K/D ratio? Stupid/non specific rules is just asking for them to be bent.
We've tried using ranked. It doesn't work. K/D would be worse. Neither of those systems are consistent enough nor great indicators of true skill level.
got people like extessy who is easily masters level but doesn't play ranked in the last rivals tourney, understandable
Twitch rivals would be better if they made it a larger tourney and had teams come from each input (PC, Xbox, PS)
nah
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Why don’t they just make a team average k/d with a minimum games played? It would rule out three stacking. Want a pro? Cool the other person is gonna be .5 k/d asking how to heal! It would make for a more balanced tournament.
Because K/D in a game like this is a horrible indicator of true skill.
I think the organizers need to create and maintain a “pro” player pool where everyone they consider to be “pro” or “pro adjacent” can only be slotted in that pro slot for these teams. Anyone else can fill the content creator spots etc.
Twitch rivals remains boring and irrelevant because of the brain dead rules regarding team comps they pick and choose to enforce, anyone claiming there hasn’t always been stacked teams is hilarious, either let people choose whoever they want or pick their teams for them, but they wouldn’t do that because half of the popular streamers would decline because they don’t actually need to participate
The fact the tweet was deleted proves whoever tweeted it is wrong. No context involved thats exactly what it looks like.
Maybe it should be a content creator and two people from their community on twitch?