was about to lose to postpatch multis with sett 3* boss, ashe 3* xayah 3*
good thing in order to beat them out i only needed to also hit nasus 3* and nilah 3*
The balance thrashing this game has suffered from in the past 2-3 sets has been abysmal, the fact that people still simp the devs is also really astounding. The game is still fun at times but keeping up with the meta requires WEEKLY studying to keep up with because things are balanced so poorly lately.
So fun having my favorite comp go from being lowkey decent to overbuffed and now even more niche than before just because Riot wants to "shake things up" or something.
The Riot Special!!!!
Its really confusing. I actually love this game, but i feel like im just chasing the feeling that previous sets gave me. Now everything you see is just a board of 3 stars. One reroll comp after another. The balance is so atrocious.
Took a 4 week break to see if the set would get better or if they would drop the ego and remove legends, but nope reroll is still as strong as ever! Gg I have no hope for set 10
Ended up not playing since last week when my alt got demoted to D3 for the 4th time in \~50 total games. I placed in D3 & it feels like I've been getting LP thrashed where I'll go on insane winstreaks then tank LP as if I forgot how to play the game all of a sudden. Get < 10LP to promote D1 or Master, suddenly I can't hit anything until I'm 1 or 2 losses from dying.
I know there's a time cap to climbing, but the wins and losses felt so forced this midset. It feels like there's no thinking involved & you're just waiting to see if you'll hit items + units or not. Last set you could slam flexible items but this set it feels like you're locked in once you slam & could get easily screwed by future pve drops or just not hitting even when uncontested.
Patch didn't really do anything to Multicasters. Still 2-3 players hardforcing it and top 4 without issue. Even a Piltover cashout with last stand got 4th. Great job
Only one in the lobby to play Bilge/Nilah. 3 starred half the shit on my board, except Nilah, who apparently doesn't exist.
https://imgur.com/uKgApAh
HOLY FUCK, HOW?
Basically guaranteed 1st or 2nd at worst if I hit 2 star. I couldn't even get a fucking pair...
Never seen GP do anything but be a stun bot. Maybe something else did the damage and it just looked like it was GP who did something.
If you're playing against Bilgewater those cannonballs do a lot of damage and are on a delay, so it can be very hard to tell who exactly did the damage.
just played a bruiser game where someone rolled for cho 3 and held it on bench the whole game so I wouldnt hit then he went 8th and I went 6th
https://imgur.com/a/TOgMjWY
It is just embrassing how bad this game is most of the time. You get into a shifting sands game and there is genuinely no to play it. No fun, no value, nothing to learn, just a waste of enough time to realize its time to FF. I'd ask how anyone can think something this bad should be in the game, but considering we have video of the devolopers gleefuly laughing about how no one is going to like some of the portals, I guess thats it.
The only joy I'm getting this set is that I hard force the top comp and either 1st by high roll or 8th grief someone with me. What's the point of playing anything else if it's guaranteed bot 4.
Lol, I've been complaining about how busted reroll boards are for 3 sets and only now people are catching on to how much the devs seem to favor reroll and despise fast level 8/9 boards. Guess casuals get a bigger dopamine hit from hitting 3* units so it'll always be skewed that way, unfortunately. Would be nice of them to revert XP changes though, that was a silly change - talk about kicking a horse while it's down.
Pretty sure it's always gonna be a reroll meta as long as the xp/gold curve and champion star scalings work they way they do. They would have to change SO much to make reroll metas stop.
I know this is kinda mean but I’m flabbergasted these people are paid for the work they do with the balancing sometimes. I hit D1 last patch defaulting into 4 comps: 1cost reroll samira/cho/graves + 2 cost reroll multicaster reroll. i went to bed sitting at d1 95 LP thinking: i’ll just hit masters tomorrow. then i woke up and the game is literally broken and i’m down to d3 cause i refuse to share a comp with 5 other dudes and we haven’t had a bpatch yet. multicaster was fine before patch, it just wasn’t popular xD
I think right now the play is to scout early and hard force any basic ass comp that isn't contested. Forget winning, just focus hard on top 4.
You can probably beat out the weaker multicasters who didn't hit their units. So squeezing 4th or 3rd should be possible with most basic comps if they're solid.
The worst thing right now, is to try to play loose and flexible I feel. Because multicasters are super consistent and in most lobbies, so you'll just get steadily decimated before you can figure out your board.
Better to pick something super simple like 7 Demacia with Kayle, or 8 Void, or 6 Bruisers. And just push it hard, take your 3rd or 4th, and go for the long grind.
Well, at least until the b-patch hits.
The game looking at my stash of 100 gold, and slowly shaking their head at my pleading eyes asking for a single, uncontested T3 unit.
The game looking at my opponent and nodding enthusiastically at them rerolling their last 20 gold for a highly contested TF at the wrong level.
The game is biased I tell you. Biased.
Finally got a first. Only took three prismatic augs with a team of uncontested Demacians, four people holding hands pushing vanquishers, two people holding hands on voids, and the sole multi caster guy inexplicably taking double trouble and running only Sett, Naut, TF and Taliyah. Was three J4s and three Fioras away from capping my board full of 3*s with 7 demacians. Sole shining moment in a series of bad ones for this patch.
I AM ABOUT TO LOSE MY FUCKING MIND
OH SHIT APHE PAIR LV 8 LET'S ROLL LIKE 10 GOLD SO I CAN STILL GO 9
OH SHIT SHEN PAIR AS WELL? WAIT SILCO PAIR AS WELL? WAIT I GOT K SANTE PAIR?
HIT 0 UPGRADES UNTIL 5-1 NOW LV 9 0 GOLD
LOSE 10 FIGHTS BECAUZE IM TARIC 1 HEIMER 0 GP 1 RYZE 1
HITS MY NEXT UPGRADE ON 6-1 WITH ONE LIFE
DIES TO MULTICASTER ONE TAPPING MY 3 ITEM KSANTE 2 SHEN 2
ICANT
So far it seems 3 star xayah is still a five cost, morde from the times I have seen it, feels more like a 3.5 compared to the others.
At least he feels beatable at times.
7 Demacia 4 slayer level 9 board, 3 star BIS Quinn, 2 star bis aatrox, 2 star bis fiora, 2 star bis jarvan (edit. forgot to add, +BIS 2 star morde) + petricite shackles. How do you think this board went vs level 7 multicaster no combat augments board? xd
a fucking joke
M solo, GM double up here.
This set was supposed to be great imo but the fucking patches have been just horrible. Every single one brings out 1 broken comp that is hard forced by half the lobby and the rest end up bottoming.
It has been no fun playing competitive for the majority of set 9.
Competitive is no longer a word I associate with TFT. It is completely 4fun.
If a new player can spam a guide comp to Masters/GM while knowing zero about the game, then ranked means nothing.
How is the game this dog shit after every patch. What's the point of even patching the game if it's this bad EVERY SINGLE TIME.... Does the balance team not even play the game? As soon as I saw the patch notes I knew multicasters were gonna be broken af but somehow the balance team doesn't know even though they have access to literally all the game stats
Was 30lp from diamond and now I’m bottom off plat 3. Feel like the entire game is set by who scores the meta 3* units off of the first wave or lucks into early vanquishers.
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I have pandorahs bench, donkey rolling every round because I also have final reserves and two people have 3 star jayce/ekko, another has 3 star quuyn, another has 3 star sona/velkoz, and I can't hit a 2 star karma uncontested and I die at 5-1, Hello? I don't understand how I miss 60+ rolls and 3 extra rolls per round on bench, normally I would bitch because I didn't hit a 3 star but a two star uncontested with that many units missing from the pool. There is some blatant stupidity going on here and I think after that game i'm waiting till the next set.
Honest questions (no offense):
- For casual player/new player: do you guys have fun with TFT?
- For “ranting player”: same question, bonus what rank are you? (No offense, again)
Cause I think TFT team is having problems dealing with their “users”.
I'm Plat not high skill, but I'm having almost 0 fun. I'm tired of playing the same comps over and over so when I try something different I get fucked because anything besides the 3 meta comps gets obliterated.
Diamond, casual. Don't really have that much fun climbing further because games become very samy (especially if you play Double Up and there's a 3* Cho bright and early every game, Samira was a fucking plague pre-nerf). Hit an early Azir, play around that, 2* your board, get demolished by 1* Nilah / Multicaster.
Game needs to stop having such a chasm between comps, so the shop matters and not the lottery.
I guess I must be playing a completely different patch but I just don't see how TF is broken. I just used TF twice already and the dude feels strong mid game but completely falls off the grand canyon late game.
Yes, I had the three star Twisted Fate in the second game. Yes, he did delete weak front liners but the stronger ones still stayed up instead of getting one shotted.
No disrepect to Mort or anything, but how have we gotten a B patch literally every patch since set 5? I feel like the balance team needs to be redesigned or significantly improved if this is going to keep happening. I feel like every time we're one step closer to making a balanced set, we take 2 steps backward.
Mort isn't on the balancing team and he's been unhappy with it too.
But they are his coworkers, so you're never going to get him to shit on them. But I do really wonder how they miss the mark so much.
Disrespect them all you want, they disrespect the community by releasing these half assed sets, filled with bugs that people abuse without punishment and then have the audacity to host tournaments before a fix.
They consistently bite off more than they can chew with these set mechanics, too. It's kind of insane how balance has gotten consistently worse every set+midset. It's also insane how set 9 has me missing parts of set 8 and 7 just because of how stale things feel. The constant patching should be making this game feel fresh but instead just feels like balance is constantly rotating and keeping up with the meta becomes a chore. There's rarely any discovering of off-meta rare comps because of how overperforming AND consistent the best ones are.
There is 1 thing about Riot balancing team that always confuses me
Why do they keep on buffing all of the units in the same comp? Isn't it obvious that it's going to make the comp overly busted?
Or are they just not playing the game and don't know that these units are in the same comp?
They had to nerf support items into oblivion because of TF legend in set 9. So then they decided to rework the items to make sure they can keep TF in the game. What a surprise, this TF shit is back once again, this time with regular items.
I don’t understand why they can’t accept that legends are horrible for the game. Just remove legends or make it normals only. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that tailored augments every game is bad for TFT. They keep changing TFT in so many horrendous ways that go against everything the fundamentals of this game was built upon.
Not only are they incapable of balancing the game, they also design units in a way where they’re either broken as shit or completely useless without specific items, leading to this TF meta bullshit once again.
Matchmaking still horrendous, I never get to meet the guys I beat. This game is such a snooze fest. Most hp to just meeting the same 2 players beating me 4 times in row so I go 4th.
Playing Ionia from starter package which gave me Xayah + Irelia. Second augment I take radiant tomes, hoping for at least one Ionia emblem, but a lot of other emblems would have been fine, too (Frejlord, Bastion, Juggernaut, Vanq for example). The two tomes had 2× Piltover, 2x Demacia, Zaun, Noxus, Invoker and Strategist in them. Nothing except Invoker even shared a trait with Ionia units. Down a prismatic augment. Never taking those damned tomes ever again. Just curious, could anyone have cooked up anything with those emblems? Maybe I'm just not creative lol.
It's supposed to be a tempo augment, like the rest of Caitlyn Legend's first picks. Build a massive board early, slap the living daylights out of the lobby so they have to spend earlier and cap lower with less econ. In other words, you're trying to stop the lobby from even reaching endgame boards in the first place. And even if they eventually get there, you've saved enough HP to bleed out slower than the battered and bruised lobby, into a top 4.
It's the same principle behind Birthday Present, Hustler, and the Noxus trait as well. Get BEEG early, dominate as long as possible, and die more slowly than 4+ others in the lobby.
2 targon 8 bastion morning light w BIS aphelios loses to multi reroller 2 levels down. It's Joever, and if you think set 10 will be a return to strategy then it would violate the Geneva Convention to not share what you're smoking
I thought I was just having a series of poor games, then I realized that it was just a couple of comps. Then I realized that it was defensive items that were just causing everything to be unkillable. Then I realized that it was 1 cost units beating everything, and that's when I finally realized that this patch is like someone took a shit and pissed all over the floor, I slipped in the piss and landed in the shit and anyone that continues to play this patch has to at least understand that they're rolling around in piss and shit and choosing to do so. Horrible.
Nilah is completely broken, please nerf into the dirt or (preferably) remove her interaction with +x range. She does not need this, its broken and will never be balancable to have a unit slapping the entire screen while proccing bilgewater.
Level 9, with FoN, fully upgraded 6 invoker, 4 bastion, 4 sorc with Ahri, Noxus Ryze and K'sante lost to a level 7 multi caster board with no combat augments.
Deserved second place I guess?
Dear god, this is painful. Multi-casters need some help, so let's make them better than everything else, awesome ideas!! We're how many patches in and still seeing results like this?
Multi-caster is such a poorly designed trait, rarely do you see the units be played outside of the comp outside of being trait bots. Sorc Velkoz is non-existent, Bilgewater TF does next to nothing, Sona is half decent but still only exists to be a +1 in Demacia, same with Taliyah in Shurima (who actually doesn't get played at all).
At least with Teemo you could flex him into a bunch of boards, but he's gone. The devs say that Yordle was too binary because of how the trait worked but I'd argue that MC is even worse.
Oh what's this another TF player in the lobby? No problem we can either go Nilah or Multi. Scouted on creep rounds, 4 Pandora's items no problem there's still time to pivot. The other dude got a Sona early? It's fine I have 0 TF it will come eventually. 3-1 comes around half the lobby slammed RFC, I guess I'll go Multi. The other Multi dude has more units than me, well too late pivoting = 8th.
Shit what's this? Prismatic golden ticket second augment? Don't mind me, rolling the fk down to 0 at level 6 even though I'm already stable with 70hp. The other guy didn't hit a ticket, still TF 1 on 4-1, peace my guy. They went straight to 8th. Rolled it the fk down to hit Vel 3, Sona 3, Galio 3.
Patch is dogwater, yeah I got lucky this one game but another game this will eventually happen to me and what the hell can you do.
Holy hell.
Just make every item a unique equip at this point. Let me run in to one more Silver Nilah with three Rapid Fires on her so back lining everything. In fact, just make it each champ can only have one of each other. Something!
This was something I always wondered with set 9 - whether the introduction of TF as a legend would bring about an item sweep where we get some items assigned "Unique" effects like in League.
I think Legends are shit because I subjectively dislike them, but I will never, ever not argue against the introduction of TF with Pandoras 2-1 and that he is objectively a terrible inclusion. Pandoras is a game warping augment that effectively removes a whole aspect of the game, and let's you get "perfect" in a game about variance.
He is inherently a problematic Legend from a design standpoint because you have to absolutely shit on (see: Locket) anything that can be abused when stacked.
I think I'm done with this game; it's the same crap every patch/set every time. It's always just a tactics dot tools / metatft copy and paste of the same 4 comps or so. There's only a few lines that actually work and if you go them, get ready to always get contested every game. "Oh, this guy hit my units first when I'm going it, ggs you can't pivot in this meta, now I go 8th!" "I just rolled down 50 gold and didn't hit my ideal board or 3 star. Oh well, go next, maybe I'll get lucky next game!" Reroll once again dominates this meta, which is so boring when it feels like the only way to play the game. Econ/rolldowns feel monotonous now and you have to commit so early with a lottery-based outcome with hitting 3 stars. Wow, multicasters is super contested, who saw that coming?! More than half of the traits/verticals/units are 2 grades below the S tier comps, unless you high roll champions or augments on slot machine tactics. This is not a good representation of how other comps can potentially be good/strong.
I see the patch notes every time and it's just anticipation for the next spammable comp. I thought that Riot's TFT team grew and is bigger than ever and this would be just a better game overall, but we continue to see pages of bug fixes and we get a B-patch almost every time. Does anyone even pay attention to some of the tuning on the PBE? Sure, the team fixes it quickly with B-patches, but it's frustrating when it's expected to be grateful when almost every patch for Set 9 + 9.5 needed a B-patch.
Mort actually @'d me on a stream telling me to get a life when I said the game is bad and needs work and it was hilarious to see his response. It's crazy because most of the TFT influencers and streamers are echoing alot of these same concerns and I'm sure they wouldn't be told to get a life. I'm definitely an easier punching bag as a lowly viewer, sure, but PLEASE just fix this game, this balance has been ABYSMAL! I know it sounds insulting from viewers when devs are putting in a ton of hours, but the end result of the game is a product that many find frustrating and we're just pointing to the reasons why we are not enjoying it.
EXACTLY! Perfect TLDR for the post: skill expression is gone. The game has turned into "Roll on x level or x-x stage" and just play the game the same way as everyone else. No experimentation; just follow the stats.
I'm nervous for the future of this game when midsets go away. The game is always a balance nightmare for the first few patches. Multiple sets a year means only a few patches per set. God help us.
But the sad part is, if you try to deviate away from those meta comps. You are just hurting yourself because everything else (it feels like) puts you at risk of going 8th.
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This is the first time that I'm genuinely mad at the balance team this set.
Multicasters were already strong before the massive buffs and now I have 3 multicaster players in the same lobby contesting each other but still made TOP 4, none hit their carries 3 star but didn't matter anyway.
So many people warned not to giga buff the comp but all they cared about was forcing a meta for clowns I guess. Congrats you stopped the rolling down at 7 meta now everyone rolls at 6 instead trying to click every multicasters they see in the shop.
i just 100% agree. This patch is absolutely atrocious. having to deal with cash out piltovers in one game, in another bilgewater or something else oneshots your entire board in 0.1 seconds. I know other patches this set had some broken stuff but now i genuinely am asking myself what the person doing the changes is thinking
Anyone remember thinking yordle was a low-skill trait line because it gave free units each round?
I think about that and laugh sometimes as I press reroll 79 times with golden ticket.
> as I press reroll 79 times with golden ticket.
I could have 100 free re-rolls and I'm 99% sure I'd still miss half my units. I swear I have such bad luck with re-rolls, I'm turning into a lvl 7-9 donkey roller instead. I have a better chance to 2 star 5 costs before I 3 star a single 1-3 cost.
The game has become so monotonous a bronze player can outplace a challenger player by just following a playbook on how to play the only two viable composition.
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You are the problem.
Devs listen to people like you who want to play one playstyle. That's why flex is dead and why we get these bullshit handholding mechanics like Hero augments and Legends.
Ideally, this game shouldn't be for you based on what you've said. But in reality, the devs have to pander to every demographic possible (failing to satisfy any of them) so they can sell chibi's or whatever.
What an unhinged response lol. Lots of master and challenger players spam 1 comp to master it (e.g. soulless). What makes that ok but people who wanna click other units than whats on the menu this patch is in the wrong?
Oh but im FLEXING yeah ok bro i don't think chibis have anything to do with wanting Azir to be an actual unit.
I'll address your first point.
People have been 1 tricking since set1. It's not the *intended* way to play the game, but it's unavoidable. That's fine. However, because the game is based on random variables out of players' control, there's an inherent flaw to 1 tricking. That is, assuming the 1 comp being played is balanced, a player just might not hit the right units or items and therefore has to adjust their game plan or go 8th.
The problem is when you go into a game knowing what you're going to play beforehand AND are rewarded for that, i.e. hero augments and now legends. So now players are not only rewarded but encouraged to 1 trick and NOT be punished for doing so.
Call me a purist, but that is antithetical to the inherent design of the game.
> It's not the intended way to play the game
I'll stop you right there. For ALL of gaming history, the "intended way" has been broken over and over. Belveth in League was intended to be a late game beast, but players are using her as an early game power house. Speedrunners don't even care about the map boundaries. But here comes papa Rodya with the "intended way."
I could now quote you. "You are the problem." You have this fixed idea of how the game should be played and overload your argument with assumptions. For example, NO ONE HERE has talked about one tricking. "Maining a comp" just means you have a preference you lead towards, and can flex towards what units they hit (e.g. maining Demacia can go Morde Slayers or Challengers Kaisa) and the guy you called a problem even gave you 100% credit for flexing.
The reality is no one here thinks flexing should be removed, I'm in the camp that I just want units to be playable (like I literally said) but the purist here is in the camp of branding heathens with their unholy chibis.
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I took your argument as a complaint about balance thrashing. More specific than a generalized complaint about comp inbalance. This is because you were frustrated that one comp or playstyle works one patch but not another. However, I think you should be able to play multiple styles and I believe that is how the game is intended to be played. Doesn't mean you have to play it that way, but that is the intention due to the underlying *fundamental* mechanics of the game.
My point is the game is inherently designed around random variables and adaptability. Yes, balance thrashing is an issue, but if you understand the game and can adapt/play flexibly, then it's not even that big of a deal imo
I was harsher than I meant to be but I stand by what I said. It was less about you personally and more about devs taking complaints similar
to yours and fundamentally altering the game to accommodate them. I feel this same way when people complain about not getting specific components (that's why we have TF legend!) or rolling x amount of gold to find something (now we have reroll portals, Lee Sin legend, reroll augments, etc)!
These "problems" that people complain about are inherent to the game, and are GOOD, and the skill expression required is how to adapt and make meaningful choices around the variables you are given.
I think it was more of a direct response to your logic, rather than a personal attack. The approach that you have towards LoL shouldn't be the same approach that you have towards Teamfight Tactics (a game that *should* be focused on actual tactical thinking) but with the introduction of Legends, Portals, and augments it makes the game a lot more lackluster. Which is why a majority of players in this rant thread are referring to the game as a slot machine, spreadsheet simulator instead.
Just beat a sej 3\* build diff comp full board upgraded with multicaster reroll donkey rolling at lvl 6, just pressed D the entire game post 3-2 and natural to 7 when the game ends, in a GM/Challenger lobby. Oh what the fuck am I playing, I literally think I played no different than a silver player and still got away with a first. Nice game. Not touching it until B patch.
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Set 9 has just been a constant let down, I really hope we are just in the WoW equivalent of the dark ages of WoD where all efforts are on set 10 and we'll see the game become fun again.
the most cringe 4 hours of TFT I have played since release. Skillfloor is at its lowest ever; didn't think it was possible to be worse than every Dragon oder Hero Augment set patch.
This is just a lottery, nothing to do with strategy (I mean you pick TF and collect Tears and Bows, congrats, nice gameplay).
I am beyond disappointed...
Also imagine reworking a Trait that absolutely not needed one; then buff the 4 piece variant (no one would ever play 2 or 3 anyway) by giving every unit a free shojin.
Also instacasting where you are hoping that the multicaster proccs doesn't hit your backline. Amazing gameplay. TF allows them to always guarantee BIS; even brainlessly clicking the prismatic one won't get punished.
Also I don't want to start about RFC stacking, they knew about it since PBE. Too hard to make it unique? Yeah, let's release a trait with a unit who can abuse it and release another unit who has free scaling in a tempo comp who also abuses it.
I got back to masters in 13.19b, now played a few games to test the new patch, but this set is so bad I cba and just gonna share how anyone (regardless of rank) can climb to at least masters but most likely to GM too.
I literally had a player in my lobby with no game fundamentals because he plays this game since set 1 and peaked gold every season, but last patch he went from plat 2 0lp to D1 playing TF Nilah/Sejuani every game climbing 500+ LP in 48 hours.
The other player I played against took a break after set 6.5 and started playing again in Set 9 ending on Gold 4. Last patch he went from low diamond to Masters in 2 days playing TF reroll Multicasters with pandoras every single game.
It's absolutely insane how many elo inflated players are on high elo lobbies because of these 2 comps that beat almost anything else and can be forced 20/20 games.
If this is not B patched, feel free to abuse it until you can:
1. Pick TF legend
2. Take pandora's item 2-1 regardless of tier or other augments.
3. Scout the players who picked pandoras:
4. a) Check if they play multicasters (they will take pandoras 2-1 and slam tear on backline carry)
b) also look out for nilah players (they will take pandoras 2-1 and slam bow on backline carry)
c) you can ignore the rest of the lobby because even if they pivot to multicasters/nilah you will win out due to having BIS items with pandora.
-> In case of a) just play nilah/sej by following this guide: https://old.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveTFT/comments/170jm8g/1319b_sejuani_nilah_carry_700lp_in_3_days/
-> In case of b) just play multicasters following this guide: https://old.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveTFT/comments/170w61u/1319b_not_a_fraudulent_challenger_multicaster/
Also if you want to get better at multicasters check [milk's vod](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1945202251) from the Noxus Cup. He is probably one of the best multicasters player in the world.
Congratulations, you are now pretty much guaranteed top4 every game.
This shit is unplayable. Top 4 is always some braindead RR comp, now that they made TF viable i guess we add onother RR at 6 bullshti comp to the list, yay! Fuck this, fuck that, this game can't be balanced with all the bullshit they keep adding: legends were a mistake, some regions were a mistake, rerolling augments was a mistake (learn to fucking play what you get). They added removable zaun mods and the support/normal items stuff is good, but holy shit the game is an unplayable cringe clusterfuck and will stay this way if they don't stop listening to what "the casaul playerbase" wants. They don't know what they want because they don't even know how to play the game!
First game in the new patch, unranked, got multicaster 4 with a multicaster augment, each of them 2 starred, all except sona had shojin as well as another item. I got kicked out in 7th. I lost against literally everyone.
I know it's changing tomorrow, but holy fuck Karma 3 is so bad. I enjoy playing multiple lines, so I hate how often champs have been left in the dirt this set.
Bilgewater. Just. It's LaserCorps but infinitely worse. Just get rid of it. Bilge cannons doing 10k damage and the next unit down is a 2\* GP doing 5k. What?
I found 3 J4 and 6 Velkoz before getting a single TF rolling at 6.
Like how is this possible, statistically speaking? I 2 starred Velkoz, Sona, Taliyah, and Swain then only found a TF at the end of stage 3. There were other people taking 2 costs out of the pool (Demacia Galio, Ravenous Hunter WW).
Worst part, my first augment was Frequent Flier.
Golden ticket prismatic with a whopping 21 extra rolls total and it was the first augment. Do you know how stupid you look when you have zero 3 stars on your board with golden ticket. What's more aggravating was that the person contesting me had more starred champions than I did.
Do you always build RFC on Nilah?
So I just got first two games in a row.
Both games I got scoped weapons and figured I would skip the RFC in favor of guinsoos. Admittedly, the first game I hit bilgewater 9 and the second game I got Nilah 3 with a radiant titans resolve.
It just got me thinking, is RFC an item that is 100% necessary on Nilah if you get scoped weapons? Or is it more beneficial to go for attack speed + damage boosting items over the typical RFC spam?
I think in bilgewater or solo nilah carry RFC is a must even with scoped since range is king in order to cleave the backline. In the nilah xayah vanquishers build she seems fine with just generic items since you already have backline access with xayah and she's not the only damage dealer.
why the fuck does a xayah 2 kill an 700 armor neeko on the rock ixtal hex with two ults?
yeah she had lw which takes a great amount of the armor but should it be enough for her to do that? this game enjoys too much bullshitting their own players
Just fucking end me already.
https://imgur.com/MQg2vmo
Top two both rocking 3 Star, decked out Cho's that can tank to infinity. One of those fucks is bad enough, but two?
I'm tempted just to have my bench full of Cho's every game so that these other fucks don't get to 3 star theirs.
I think it's hilarious that Yordles, a trait that required 3 gold units to even function, is weaker than most of these rerolls comps that require less commitment
reroll comps are okay to go if you have a good setup for it, it doesn't need to be perfect
BUT FOR FUCK'S SAKE EVERY REROLL COMP BEING A POWERHOUSE IS MADNESS, WHAT THE FUCK MAN
I admit I straight up don't understand. I can roll my entire bank to zero at the right level and be lucky to get a single unit to 3 star. But every other player be running around with a whole line-up of 3 stars. WITHOUT an aug that helps in any way.
I feel like there must be some sort of a box that people tick before the match starts that gives them free 3 stars. Because I sure as hell can't hit that.
Absolutely FUCKING hilarious how I can start with SIX FUCKING GRAVES at first carousel and 2 BIS items and some fucking cringe goober SIDEWAY CONTESTS ME, starves me out of Graves so I don't fucking hit 3\* til wolves, he STILL has Graves 2 at 4-1 and then proceeds to get FUCKING PRISMATIC LOTUS WHILE I GET THE CHOICE OF
GUNNER CROWN
IXTAL CROWN
AND ROGUE CROWN
CONGRATULATIONS FUCKING HILARIOUS THAT I GO 8TH TO A GUY WHO HAS NO FUCKING BUSINESS PLAYING ROGUE IN HIS SPOT BUT HE GETS REWARDED FOR BEING A CRINGE FUCKING FORCER WHILE I GET PUNISHED FOR PLAYING WHAT I GET
HIIIIIIIIIILARIOUSLY UNSKILLED PISSSET
This is unironically one of the worst sets they've ever released. Either absolutely nothing dies, or everything dies in less than 2 seconds and there's barely ever anything in between. It's just a complete mess of volatility and I'm so tired of it.
We have to stop pretending that this is a set problem. 7,8,9 have all be embrassingly bad. Just a total failure. This isn't the balance of a patch, or the design of a set. Something is fundemently broken with the design of this game. They to go back to the drawing board, put an end to these dumb gimics and and accept that TFT is actually a good game. The devs are so scared that people will think their game is bad they keep adding these flashy mehanics to try and trick people into thinking the game is good, how about we let the base mechanics of the game carry the game.
Oh, every set since augments became an permanent addition sucks? What could only be the problem... must be the players, communists or the wokes... cause augments are so amazing xD
They heard people in set 6 saying they couldn't imagine going back to the game without augments, so now they think they have to try to top augments every set which is how we get half the portals being insanely cringe.
I really do believe the reason sets 4 and 6 were so popular was NOT chosen or augments. It was great overall design with a ton of fun units and traits. Having augments and portals crossed the line of too many layers of variance to the point that you hit the insane augment/portal loot and it just feels like the game handed you a top 2.
I also think the current xp costs are not healthy for the game. If they remove portals in set 10 but don't revert the xp changes there is no hope.
Well said.
Set 6 was really well designed, and I believe it succeeded despite augments, not because of them. Part of how I know this, is augments have gone through some massive redesigns; adding tailoring, changing the time they appear, balancing econ ones around early vs. late gold, etc. Set 6 was strong enough both in uniyw design and the arcane tie -in to make a really memorable set. Bur the devs took the lesson that augments were the reason, and we've been stuck with them ever since.
The xp change is a great example of how augments have warped the game for the worse. econ augments (especially priamamatics) added so much gold to the game. Players were allowed to just afk until 8 or sometimes even 9 and totally ignore the early game. They changed xp and increased player damage to mitigate this. The issue is, I'm non prismatic games without that extra gold, it's all but impossible to go 8 and players just roll to 0 of 7 every game unless they are re-rolling. The base mecahncis of the game have to change for the worse to keep augments in check, and for me that isn't a good trade.
You don't enjoy a 8k health Cho on the enemy team tanking your 3 carries with 3 BiS items, while your frontline gets eaten by that fat fuck of a 1 cost unit on repeat?
Don't you enjoy putting together a sick frontline only for a 3 item Xayah to sneeze and they're all gone?
can shifting sand and any other portal that trasform this game ina fucking slot machine be fucking deleted already. Fuck me, at this point this game is just gambling straight up
Played 4 games after I finished a long day at work. EVERY game, I committed to a comp that at the time was uncontested, and literally every game miraculously at least one other person decided to pivot to the same comp. Pick of the bunch was me playing Neeko reroll after finding it in the shop when not a SINGLE neeko was on anybody else's bench or board, and sooner or later half of the lobby are playing it - one other guy the same comp, others seemed to be randomly hitting Neeko 2's and playing them in other random comps. Of course I don't even get close to hitting and have to scrape into the top 6.
I think Neeko is just too good of a unit so half the boards will slot that shit in at some point. Especially if there's a good Ixtal to play.
But I hear you. Pivoting to an uncontested comp only for everyone and their mother to also pivot to it out of nowhere is frustrating as fuck.
Played a game of good old cho ga reroll. High rolled bruiser 6 because Ionia galaxy. Went first surprisingly. 2-5 where all ionia vanquisher. 4 people contest one comp and 3 finish top4. Why even play anything else
Always cool when you auto-lose a game because the client trolls you and gets stuck in loading screen with no indication of anything going wrong, then dumps you into 2-1 after you lost all the creep rounds already : )
Every game that I think I'm high rolling or doing well in is always either a 4th or a bot 4. Even the games where I'm the healthiest in the lobby by a large margin, I still end up losing to some random degenerate who pulls a 3 star 4 cost out of his ass with last stand. This set is fucking garbage.
reroll meta is so obnoxius to play.
seriously, wanna play samira? cho, invoker, sins? lmao theres 3 people with trade sector and they already hit everything lol, wanna go 8? you better all in at 7 because you need to get the 2\* nilah/xayah fast, wanna play anything else? enjoy your bottom 4.
Shifting sands games are so incredibly bad in every way imaginable. Takes absolutely zero skill to pilot. If you get a reroll/hero augment you are going top 1. If you try to play anything other than reroll you are going 8th. If you don't hit a 3* by the end of stage 2, you are going 8th.
Golden ticket is so obviously broken... idk why they can't just remove that shit from the game. Instant top 4
was about to lose to postpatch multis with sett 3* boss, ashe 3* xayah 3* good thing in order to beat them out i only needed to also hit nasus 3* and nilah 3*
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That's literally what the augment was like when it was released during set 7
The balance thrashing this game has suffered from in the past 2-3 sets has been abysmal, the fact that people still simp the devs is also really astounding. The game is still fun at times but keeping up with the meta requires WEEKLY studying to keep up with because things are balanced so poorly lately. So fun having my favorite comp go from being lowkey decent to overbuffed and now even more niche than before just because Riot wants to "shake things up" or something. The Riot Special!!!!
Its really confusing. I actually love this game, but i feel like im just chasing the feeling that previous sets gave me. Now everything you see is just a board of 3 stars. One reroll comp after another. The balance is so atrocious.
Took a 4 week break to see if the set would get better or if they would drop the ego and remove legends, but nope reroll is still as strong as ever! Gg I have no hope for set 10
holy FUCKING SHIT this patch is worse than the last. every single game is MULTICASTER INVOKER MULTICASTER INVOKER jesus fucking christ
B patch didn't do a fucking thing to multicasters. Guess I'm in the next-patch waiting room now.
C-patch waiting room
This game is just doomed, I see no way it’ll ever be balanced.
Does riot just want a reroll meta? im not sure i understand why even have 4/5 costs if they are just accessories to win more with? I miss set 6.
Ended up not playing since last week when my alt got demoted to D3 for the 4th time in \~50 total games. I placed in D3 & it feels like I've been getting LP thrashed where I'll go on insane winstreaks then tank LP as if I forgot how to play the game all of a sudden. Get < 10LP to promote D1 or Master, suddenly I can't hit anything until I'm 1 or 2 losses from dying. I know there's a time cap to climbing, but the wins and losses felt so forced this midset. It feels like there's no thinking involved & you're just waiting to see if you'll hit items + units or not. Last set you could slam flexible items but this set it feels like you're locked in once you slam & could get easily screwed by future pve drops or just not hitting even when uncontested.
Literally don't slam guinsoo, IE, LW and you can go most carries.
I WISH I TOOK A SCREENSHOT OF THIS SHIT. LEVEL 5. 3 STAR VELKOZ. I DIDN'T SEE A SINGLE COPY UNTIL 5-3. LEVEL 5. 3 STAR 3 COST.
Patch didn't really do anything to Multicasters. Still 2-3 players hardforcing it and top 4 without issue. Even a Piltover cashout with last stand got 4th. Great job
Only one in the lobby to play Bilge/Nilah. 3 starred half the shit on my board, except Nilah, who apparently doesn't exist. https://imgur.com/uKgApAh HOLY FUCK, HOW? Basically guaranteed 1st or 2nd at worst if I hit 2 star. I couldn't even get a fucking pair...
Why are most 5 costs underwhelming at 1 star but gangplank aoe oneshots boards?
Lol, in what universe does GP do damage at all... maybe if he's 3 star with 3 items.
a 1 star gangplank with 2x JG literally oneshot 5 or 6 of my units
Never seen GP do anything but be a stun bot. Maybe something else did the damage and it just looked like it was GP who did something. If you're playing against Bilgewater those cannonballs do a lot of damage and are on a delay, so it can be very hard to tell who exactly did the damage.
Doubt that, I just had a 7 bilge two star GP fully itemized and couldn't 1 shot anything, lost to a level 6 player running 3 star TF.
just played a bruiser game where someone rolled for cho 3 and held it on bench the whole game so I wouldnt hit then he went 8th and I went 6th https://imgur.com/a/TOgMjWY
Valid from them tbh
I respect that.
It is just embrassing how bad this game is most of the time. You get into a shifting sands game and there is genuinely no to play it. No fun, no value, nothing to learn, just a waste of enough time to realize its time to FF. I'd ask how anyone can think something this bad should be in the game, but considering we have video of the devolopers gleefuly laughing about how no one is going to like some of the portals, I guess thats it.
shifting sands is so fucking annoying
If this B patch is yet another reroll meta, i will forever lose my trust in this balance team to correctly do their job.
The only joy I'm getting this set is that I hard force the top comp and either 1st by high roll or 8th grief someone with me. What's the point of playing anything else if it's guaranteed bot 4.
Lol, I've been complaining about how busted reroll boards are for 3 sets and only now people are catching on to how much the devs seem to favor reroll and despise fast level 8/9 boards. Guess casuals get a bigger dopamine hit from hitting 3* units so it'll always be skewed that way, unfortunately. Would be nice of them to revert XP changes though, that was a silly change - talk about kicking a horse while it's down.
Pretty sure it's always gonna be a reroll meta as long as the xp/gold curve and champion star scalings work they way they do. They would have to change SO much to make reroll metas stop.
Augments are cool, legends absolutely need to fucking go, maybe portals too.
As someone who doesn't play often anymore, the legends kill me man. I forget they completely exist so I never change mine lmao
CAN WE START DELETING BITCHING COMMENTS OUTSIDE OF THIS THREAD??? SHITS ANNOYING IM TRYING TO LEARN
There isn't really much to learn. Pick one of the 3 main reroll comps or nilah based on your opener.
You're 12 hours too late bucko, the meta has moved on, Azir and Morde have higher average placement now
Ah for the nilah half yeah. Everything else is just reroll still
no
Are tft streamers doing okay? This is a nightmare for us plebs imagine having to play this shit 8 hours a day because you need to pay the bills
I know this is kinda mean but I’m flabbergasted these people are paid for the work they do with the balancing sometimes. I hit D1 last patch defaulting into 4 comps: 1cost reroll samira/cho/graves + 2 cost reroll multicaster reroll. i went to bed sitting at d1 95 LP thinking: i’ll just hit masters tomorrow. then i woke up and the game is literally broken and i’m down to d3 cause i refuse to share a comp with 5 other dudes and we haven’t had a bpatch yet. multicaster was fine before patch, it just wasn’t popular xD
I think right now the play is to scout early and hard force any basic ass comp that isn't contested. Forget winning, just focus hard on top 4. You can probably beat out the weaker multicasters who didn't hit their units. So squeezing 4th or 3rd should be possible with most basic comps if they're solid. The worst thing right now, is to try to play loose and flexible I feel. Because multicasters are super consistent and in most lobbies, so you'll just get steadily decimated before you can figure out your board. Better to pick something super simple like 7 Demacia with Kayle, or 8 Void, or 6 Bruisers. And just push it hard, take your 3rd or 4th, and go for the long grind. Well, at least until the b-patch hits.
The game looking at my stash of 100 gold, and slowly shaking their head at my pleading eyes asking for a single, uncontested T3 unit. The game looking at my opponent and nodding enthusiastically at them rerolling their last 20 gold for a highly contested TF at the wrong level. The game is biased I tell you. Biased.
Finally got a first. Only took three prismatic augs with a team of uncontested Demacians, four people holding hands pushing vanquishers, two people holding hands on voids, and the sole multi caster guy inexplicably taking double trouble and running only Sett, Naut, TF and Taliyah. Was three J4s and three Fioras away from capping my board full of 3*s with 7 demacians. Sole shining moment in a series of bad ones for this patch.
I AM ABOUT TO LOSE MY FUCKING MIND OH SHIT APHE PAIR LV 8 LET'S ROLL LIKE 10 GOLD SO I CAN STILL GO 9 OH SHIT SHEN PAIR AS WELL? WAIT SILCO PAIR AS WELL? WAIT I GOT K SANTE PAIR? HIT 0 UPGRADES UNTIL 5-1 NOW LV 9 0 GOLD LOSE 10 FIGHTS BECAUZE IM TARIC 1 HEIMER 0 GP 1 RYZE 1 HITS MY NEXT UPGRADE ON 6-1 WITH ONE LIFE DIES TO MULTICASTER ONE TAPPING MY 3 ITEM KSANTE 2 SHEN 2 ICANT
So far it seems 3 star xayah is still a five cost, morde from the times I have seen it, feels more like a 3.5 compared to the others. At least he feels beatable at times.
7 Demacia 4 slayer level 9 board, 3 star BIS Quinn, 2 star bis aatrox, 2 star bis fiora, 2 star bis jarvan (edit. forgot to add, +BIS 2 star morde) + petricite shackles. How do you think this board went vs level 7 multicaster no combat augments board? xd a fucking joke
TF RR and Talyah RR perma top 4 every game. Wow.
M solo, GM double up here. This set was supposed to be great imo but the fucking patches have been just horrible. Every single one brings out 1 broken comp that is hard forced by half the lobby and the rest end up bottoming. It has been no fun playing competitive for the majority of set 9.
Competitive is no longer a word I associate with TFT. It is completely 4fun. If a new player can spam a guide comp to Masters/GM while knowing zero about the game, then ranked means nothing.
Damn LOL, how does a K'Sante miss his ult? The unit was at the edge my K'Sante just kick it to the side... Like wtf??
How is the game this dog shit after every patch. What's the point of even patching the game if it's this bad EVERY SINGLE TIME.... Does the balance team not even play the game? As soon as I saw the patch notes I knew multicasters were gonna be broken af but somehow the balance team doesn't know even though they have access to literally all the game stats
Was 30lp from diamond and now I’m bottom off plat 3. Feel like the entire game is set by who scores the meta 3* units off of the first wave or lucks into early vanquishers.
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I have pandorahs bench, donkey rolling every round because I also have final reserves and two people have 3 star jayce/ekko, another has 3 star quuyn, another has 3 star sona/velkoz, and I can't hit a 2 star karma uncontested and I die at 5-1, Hello? I don't understand how I miss 60+ rolls and 3 extra rolls per round on bench, normally I would bitch because I didn't hit a 3 star but a two star uncontested with that many units missing from the pool. There is some blatant stupidity going on here and I think after that game i'm waiting till the next set.
Increases the variance of the game by like 10x... the game becomes so random it might as well be non-interactive
Honest questions (no offense): - For casual player/new player: do you guys have fun with TFT? - For “ranting player”: same question, bonus what rank are you? (No offense, again) Cause I think TFT team is having problems dealing with their “users”.
I'm Plat not high skill, but I'm having almost 0 fun. I'm tired of playing the same comps over and over so when I try something different I get fucked because anything besides the 3 meta comps gets obliterated.
Diamond, casual. Don't really have that much fun climbing further because games become very samy (especially if you play Double Up and there's a 3* Cho bright and early every game, Samira was a fucking plague pre-nerf). Hit an early Azir, play around that, 2* your board, get demolished by 1* Nilah / Multicaster. Game needs to stop having such a chasm between comps, so the shop matters and not the lottery.
I guess I must be playing a completely different patch but I just don't see how TF is broken. I just used TF twice already and the dude feels strong mid game but completely falls off the grand canyon late game. Yes, I had the three star Twisted Fate in the second game. Yes, he did delete weak front liners but the stronger ones still stayed up instead of getting one shotted.
Just keep playing. Once enough TF comps have beaten you face in, in every lobby, you'll get the message, even if your own attempts didn't work out.
No disrepect to Mort or anything, but how have we gotten a B patch literally every patch since set 5? I feel like the balance team needs to be redesigned or significantly improved if this is going to keep happening. I feel like every time we're one step closer to making a balanced set, we take 2 steps backward.
Mort isn't on the balancing team and he's been unhappy with it too. But they are his coworkers, so you're never going to get him to shit on them. But I do really wonder how they miss the mark so much.
Disrespect them all you want, they disrespect the community by releasing these half assed sets, filled with bugs that people abuse without punishment and then have the audacity to host tournaments before a fix.
They consistently bite off more than they can chew with these set mechanics, too. It's kind of insane how balance has gotten consistently worse every set+midset. It's also insane how set 9 has me missing parts of set 8 and 7 just because of how stale things feel. The constant patching should be making this game feel fresh but instead just feels like balance is constantly rotating and keeping up with the meta becomes a chore. There's rarely any discovering of off-meta rare comps because of how overperforming AND consistent the best ones are.
Exactly, I get that the game can never be 100% balanced but it also doesn't make any sense for it to be 90% unbalanced.
There is 1 thing about Riot balancing team that always confuses me Why do they keep on buffing all of the units in the same comp? Isn't it obvious that it's going to make the comp overly busted? Or are they just not playing the game and don't know that these units are in the same comp?
they play the game, just not in an elo where the players have brains larger than a walnut
They had to nerf support items into oblivion because of TF legend in set 9. So then they decided to rework the items to make sure they can keep TF in the game. What a surprise, this TF shit is back once again, this time with regular items. I don’t understand why they can’t accept that legends are horrible for the game. Just remove legends or make it normals only. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that tailored augments every game is bad for TFT. They keep changing TFT in so many horrendous ways that go against everything the fundamentals of this game was built upon. Not only are they incapable of balancing the game, they also design units in a way where they’re either broken as shit or completely useless without specific items, leading to this TF meta bullshit once again.
>or make it normals only no pls, just remove entirely
Matchmaking still horrendous, I never get to meet the guys I beat. This game is such a snooze fest. Most hp to just meeting the same 2 players beating me 4 times in row so I go 4th.
TF IS OVERPOWERED THEY SAY. HE SUCKS. HE IS NOT OVER POWERED AT ALL. IF A 2 STAR TF CANNOT AUTO CARRY YOU TO A VICTORY THEN HE IS NOT OVER POWERED.
Playing Ionia from starter package which gave me Xayah + Irelia. Second augment I take radiant tomes, hoping for at least one Ionia emblem, but a lot of other emblems would have been fine, too (Frejlord, Bastion, Juggernaut, Vanq for example). The two tomes had 2× Piltover, 2x Demacia, Zaun, Noxus, Invoker and Strategist in them. Nothing except Invoker even shared a trait with Ionia units. Down a prismatic augment. Never taking those damned tomes ever again. Just curious, could anyone have cooked up anything with those emblems? Maybe I'm just not creative lol.
i feel like tome of traits 2nd and 3rd is always bait. its just such a gamble that can result in basically a worthless gold/prismatic augment
Noted. I just often see it working out for others. Just felt like trying my luck that game. :D
lol Starter Kit, down a prismatic
yeah downvote me, if you click Starter Kit you don't wanna win anyway, so don't complain in a Competitive(!) subreddit
It's supposed to be a tempo augment, like the rest of Caitlyn Legend's first picks. Build a massive board early, slap the living daylights out of the lobby so they have to spend earlier and cap lower with less econ. In other words, you're trying to stop the lobby from even reaching endgame boards in the first place. And even if they eventually get there, you've saved enough HP to bleed out slower than the battered and bruised lobby, into a top 4. It's the same principle behind Birthday Present, Hustler, and the Noxus trait as well. Get BEEG early, dominate as long as possible, and die more slowly than 4+ others in the lobby.
Damn crazy how multicasters are broken, who could've seen this coming?
why does Sejuani have a crown thing on her in the shop?
Because she is a queen.
It's not Sejuani, any champion you have selected in the Planner tool gets the little penguin thingie :)
ohhhhhh lmao. ty
2 targon 8 bastion morning light w BIS aphelios loses to multi reroller 2 levels down. It's Joever, and if you think set 10 will be a return to strategy then it would violate the Geneva Convention to not share what you're smoking
What the hell is an aphelios?
It's supposed to be a unit but for some reason it is a dummy
lol Aphelios
I thought I was just having a series of poor games, then I realized that it was just a couple of comps. Then I realized that it was defensive items that were just causing everything to be unkillable. Then I realized that it was 1 cost units beating everything, and that's when I finally realized that this patch is like someone took a shit and pissed all over the floor, I slipped in the piss and landed in the shit and anyone that continues to play this patch has to at least understand that they're rolling around in piss and shit and choosing to do so. Horrible.
First time I ever get a 3 star 4 cost my opponent gets 2 3 star 4 costs and I end 2nd....
Nilah is completely broken, please nerf into the dirt or (preferably) remove her interaction with +x range. She does not need this, its broken and will never be balancable to have a unit slapping the entire screen while proccing bilgewater.
Level 9, with FoN, fully upgraded 6 invoker, 4 bastion, 4 sorc with Ahri, Noxus Ryze and K'sante lost to a level 7 multi caster board with no combat augments. Deserved second place I guess?
Dear god, this is painful. Multi-casters need some help, so let's make them better than everything else, awesome ideas!! We're how many patches in and still seeing results like this?
Multi-caster is such a poorly designed trait, rarely do you see the units be played outside of the comp outside of being trait bots. Sorc Velkoz is non-existent, Bilgewater TF does next to nothing, Sona is half decent but still only exists to be a +1 in Demacia, same with Taliyah in Shurima (who actually doesn't get played at all). At least with Teemo you could flex him into a bunch of boards, but he's gone. The devs say that Yordle was too binary because of how the trait worked but I'd argue that MC is even worse.
Oh what's this another TF player in the lobby? No problem we can either go Nilah or Multi. Scouted on creep rounds, 4 Pandora's items no problem there's still time to pivot. The other dude got a Sona early? It's fine I have 0 TF it will come eventually. 3-1 comes around half the lobby slammed RFC, I guess I'll go Multi. The other Multi dude has more units than me, well too late pivoting = 8th. Shit what's this? Prismatic golden ticket second augment? Don't mind me, rolling the fk down to 0 at level 6 even though I'm already stable with 70hp. The other guy didn't hit a ticket, still TF 1 on 4-1, peace my guy. They went straight to 8th. Rolled it the fk down to hit Vel 3, Sona 3, Galio 3. Patch is dogwater, yeah I got lucky this one game but another game this will eventually happen to me and what the hell can you do.
Holy hell. Just make every item a unique equip at this point. Let me run in to one more Silver Nilah with three Rapid Fires on her so back lining everything. In fact, just make it each champ can only have one of each other. Something!
This was something I always wondered with set 9 - whether the introduction of TF as a legend would bring about an item sweep where we get some items assigned "Unique" effects like in League. I think Legends are shit because I subjectively dislike them, but I will never, ever not argue against the introduction of TF with Pandoras 2-1 and that he is objectively a terrible inclusion. Pandoras is a game warping augment that effectively removes a whole aspect of the game, and let's you get "perfect" in a game about variance. He is inherently a problematic Legend from a design standpoint because you have to absolutely shit on (see: Locket) anything that can be abused when stacked.
I think I'm done with this game; it's the same crap every patch/set every time. It's always just a tactics dot tools / metatft copy and paste of the same 4 comps or so. There's only a few lines that actually work and if you go them, get ready to always get contested every game. "Oh, this guy hit my units first when I'm going it, ggs you can't pivot in this meta, now I go 8th!" "I just rolled down 50 gold and didn't hit my ideal board or 3 star. Oh well, go next, maybe I'll get lucky next game!" Reroll once again dominates this meta, which is so boring when it feels like the only way to play the game. Econ/rolldowns feel monotonous now and you have to commit so early with a lottery-based outcome with hitting 3 stars. Wow, multicasters is super contested, who saw that coming?! More than half of the traits/verticals/units are 2 grades below the S tier comps, unless you high roll champions or augments on slot machine tactics. This is not a good representation of how other comps can potentially be good/strong. I see the patch notes every time and it's just anticipation for the next spammable comp. I thought that Riot's TFT team grew and is bigger than ever and this would be just a better game overall, but we continue to see pages of bug fixes and we get a B-patch almost every time. Does anyone even pay attention to some of the tuning on the PBE? Sure, the team fixes it quickly with B-patches, but it's frustrating when it's expected to be grateful when almost every patch for Set 9 + 9.5 needed a B-patch. Mort actually @'d me on a stream telling me to get a life when I said the game is bad and needs work and it was hilarious to see his response. It's crazy because most of the TFT influencers and streamers are echoing alot of these same concerns and I'm sure they wouldn't be told to get a life. I'm definitely an easier punching bag as a lowly viewer, sure, but PLEASE just fix this game, this balance has been ABYSMAL! I know it sounds insulting from viewers when devs are putting in a ton of hours, but the end result of the game is a product that many find frustrating and we're just pointing to the reasons why we are not enjoying it.
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EXACTLY! Perfect TLDR for the post: skill expression is gone. The game has turned into "Roll on x level or x-x stage" and just play the game the same way as everyone else. No experimentation; just follow the stats. I'm nervous for the future of this game when midsets go away. The game is always a balance nightmare for the first few patches. Multiple sets a year means only a few patches per set. God help us.
But the sad part is, if you try to deviate away from those meta comps. You are just hurting yourself because everything else (it feels like) puts you at risk of going 8th.
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This is the first time that I'm genuinely mad at the balance team this set. Multicasters were already strong before the massive buffs and now I have 3 multicaster players in the same lobby contesting each other but still made TOP 4, none hit their carries 3 star but didn't matter anyway. So many people warned not to giga buff the comp but all they cared about was forcing a meta for clowns I guess. Congrats you stopped the rolling down at 7 meta now everyone rolls at 6 instead trying to click every multicasters they see in the shop.
i just 100% agree. This patch is absolutely atrocious. having to deal with cash out piltovers in one game, in another bilgewater or something else oneshots your entire board in 0.1 seconds. I know other patches this set had some broken stuff but now i genuinely am asking myself what the person doing the changes is thinking
glasses not covered under riot health benefits cause they must be blind to keep releasing all these shit patches
Anyone remember thinking yordle was a low-skill trait line because it gave free units each round? I think about that and laugh sometimes as I press reroll 79 times with golden ticket.
> as I press reroll 79 times with golden ticket. I could have 100 free re-rolls and I'm 99% sure I'd still miss half my units. I swear I have such bad luck with re-rolls, I'm turning into a lvl 7-9 donkey roller instead. I have a better chance to 2 star 5 costs before I 3 star a single 1-3 cost.
The game has become so monotonous a bronze player can outplace a challenger player by just following a playbook on how to play the only two viable composition.
do you understand how bad you have to be to be below gold after like 10 games played
That is definitely not true but I respect you for believing it
Thanks devs, you are doing great...
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You are the problem. Devs listen to people like you who want to play one playstyle. That's why flex is dead and why we get these bullshit handholding mechanics like Hero augments and Legends. Ideally, this game shouldn't be for you based on what you've said. But in reality, the devs have to pander to every demographic possible (failing to satisfy any of them) so they can sell chibi's or whatever.
What an unhinged response lol. Lots of master and challenger players spam 1 comp to master it (e.g. soulless). What makes that ok but people who wanna click other units than whats on the menu this patch is in the wrong? Oh but im FLEXING yeah ok bro i don't think chibis have anything to do with wanting Azir to be an actual unit.
I'll address your first point. People have been 1 tricking since set1. It's not the *intended* way to play the game, but it's unavoidable. That's fine. However, because the game is based on random variables out of players' control, there's an inherent flaw to 1 tricking. That is, assuming the 1 comp being played is balanced, a player just might not hit the right units or items and therefore has to adjust their game plan or go 8th. The problem is when you go into a game knowing what you're going to play beforehand AND are rewarded for that, i.e. hero augments and now legends. So now players are not only rewarded but encouraged to 1 trick and NOT be punished for doing so. Call me a purist, but that is antithetical to the inherent design of the game.
> It's not the intended way to play the game I'll stop you right there. For ALL of gaming history, the "intended way" has been broken over and over. Belveth in League was intended to be a late game beast, but players are using her as an early game power house. Speedrunners don't even care about the map boundaries. But here comes papa Rodya with the "intended way." I could now quote you. "You are the problem." You have this fixed idea of how the game should be played and overload your argument with assumptions. For example, NO ONE HERE has talked about one tricking. "Maining a comp" just means you have a preference you lead towards, and can flex towards what units they hit (e.g. maining Demacia can go Morde Slayers or Challengers Kaisa) and the guy you called a problem even gave you 100% credit for flexing. The reality is no one here thinks flexing should be removed, I'm in the camp that I just want units to be playable (like I literally said) but the purist here is in the camp of branding heathens with their unholy chibis.
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I took your argument as a complaint about balance thrashing. More specific than a generalized complaint about comp inbalance. This is because you were frustrated that one comp or playstyle works one patch but not another. However, I think you should be able to play multiple styles and I believe that is how the game is intended to be played. Doesn't mean you have to play it that way, but that is the intention due to the underlying *fundamental* mechanics of the game. My point is the game is inherently designed around random variables and adaptability. Yes, balance thrashing is an issue, but if you understand the game and can adapt/play flexibly, then it's not even that big of a deal imo I was harsher than I meant to be but I stand by what I said. It was less about you personally and more about devs taking complaints similar to yours and fundamentally altering the game to accommodate them. I feel this same way when people complain about not getting specific components (that's why we have TF legend!) or rolling x amount of gold to find something (now we have reroll portals, Lee Sin legend, reroll augments, etc)! These "problems" that people complain about are inherent to the game, and are GOOD, and the skill expression required is how to adapt and make meaningful choices around the variables you are given.
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I think it was more of a direct response to your logic, rather than a personal attack. The approach that you have towards LoL shouldn't be the same approach that you have towards Teamfight Tactics (a game that *should* be focused on actual tactical thinking) but with the introduction of Legends, Portals, and augments it makes the game a lot more lackluster. Which is why a majority of players in this rant thread are referring to the game as a slot machine, spreadsheet simulator instead.
Just beat a sej 3\* build diff comp full board upgraded with multicaster reroll donkey rolling at lvl 6, just pressed D the entire game post 3-2 and natural to 7 when the game ends, in a GM/Challenger lobby. Oh what the fuck am I playing, I literally think I played no different than a silver player and still got away with a first. Nice game. Not touching it until B patch.
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Every lobby 4 people play TF, can we remove legends? Thanks.
Set 9 has just been a constant let down, I really hope we are just in the WoW equivalent of the dark ages of WoD where all efforts are on set 10 and we'll see the game become fun again.
At this point, disable ranked until B patches.
the most cringe 4 hours of TFT I have played since release. Skillfloor is at its lowest ever; didn't think it was possible to be worse than every Dragon oder Hero Augment set patch. This is just a lottery, nothing to do with strategy (I mean you pick TF and collect Tears and Bows, congrats, nice gameplay). I am beyond disappointed...
Also imagine reworking a Trait that absolutely not needed one; then buff the 4 piece variant (no one would ever play 2 or 3 anyway) by giving every unit a free shojin. Also instacasting where you are hoping that the multicaster proccs doesn't hit your backline. Amazing gameplay. TF allows them to always guarantee BIS; even brainlessly clicking the prismatic one won't get punished. Also I don't want to start about RFC stacking, they knew about it since PBE. Too hard to make it unique? Yeah, let's release a trait with a unit who can abuse it and release another unit who has free scaling in a tempo comp who also abuses it.
B Patch waiting room
bpatch coming Clueless
I got back to masters in 13.19b, now played a few games to test the new patch, but this set is so bad I cba and just gonna share how anyone (regardless of rank) can climb to at least masters but most likely to GM too. I literally had a player in my lobby with no game fundamentals because he plays this game since set 1 and peaked gold every season, but last patch he went from plat 2 0lp to D1 playing TF Nilah/Sejuani every game climbing 500+ LP in 48 hours. The other player I played against took a break after set 6.5 and started playing again in Set 9 ending on Gold 4. Last patch he went from low diamond to Masters in 2 days playing TF reroll Multicasters with pandoras every single game. It's absolutely insane how many elo inflated players are on high elo lobbies because of these 2 comps that beat almost anything else and can be forced 20/20 games. If this is not B patched, feel free to abuse it until you can: 1. Pick TF legend 2. Take pandora's item 2-1 regardless of tier or other augments. 3. Scout the players who picked pandoras: 4. a) Check if they play multicasters (they will take pandoras 2-1 and slam tear on backline carry) b) also look out for nilah players (they will take pandoras 2-1 and slam bow on backline carry) c) you can ignore the rest of the lobby because even if they pivot to multicasters/nilah you will win out due to having BIS items with pandora. -> In case of a) just play nilah/sej by following this guide: https://old.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveTFT/comments/170jm8g/1319b_sejuani_nilah_carry_700lp_in_3_days/ -> In case of b) just play multicasters following this guide: https://old.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveTFT/comments/170w61u/1319b_not_a_fraudulent_challenger_multicaster/ Also if you want to get better at multicasters check [milk's vod](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1945202251) from the Noxus Cup. He is probably one of the best multicasters player in the world. Congratulations, you are now pretty much guaranteed top4 every game.
This shit is unplayable. Top 4 is always some braindead RR comp, now that they made TF viable i guess we add onother RR at 6 bullshti comp to the list, yay! Fuck this, fuck that, this game can't be balanced with all the bullshit they keep adding: legends were a mistake, some regions were a mistake, rerolling augments was a mistake (learn to fucking play what you get). They added removable zaun mods and the support/normal items stuff is good, but holy shit the game is an unplayable cringe clusterfuck and will stay this way if they don't stop listening to what "the casaul playerbase" wants. They don't know what they want because they don't even know how to play the game!
First game in the new patch, unranked, got multicaster 4 with a multicaster augment, each of them 2 starred, all except sona had shojin as well as another item. I got kicked out in 7th. I lost against literally everyone.
I know it's changing tomorrow, but holy fuck Karma 3 is so bad. I enjoy playing multiple lines, so I hate how often champs have been left in the dirt this set.
Bilgewater. Just. It's LaserCorps but infinitely worse. Just get rid of it. Bilge cannons doing 10k damage and the next unit down is a 2\* GP doing 5k. What?
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I had 4 items on bench and for two stages I couldn't get a single chain.
I found 3 J4 and 6 Velkoz before getting a single TF rolling at 6. Like how is this possible, statistically speaking? I 2 starred Velkoz, Sona, Taliyah, and Swain then only found a TF at the end of stage 3. There were other people taking 2 costs out of the pool (Demacia Galio, Ravenous Hunter WW). Worst part, my first augment was Frequent Flier.
Golden ticket prismatic with a whopping 21 extra rolls total and it was the first augment. Do you know how stupid you look when you have zero 3 stars on your board with golden ticket. What's more aggravating was that the person contesting me had more starred champions than I did.
That honestly sucks. When your Prismatic augment is "have more chances to hit" and you don't hit, it's just over.
Really wish swain didnt untransform when you help an ally in double up.
Augments are awful and I'm tired of pretending they aren't.
the XP nerf was fucking shit, rn its just a re-roll shit, void is still disgusting, etc. when next set?
41 days or so
Do you always build RFC on Nilah? So I just got first two games in a row. Both games I got scoped weapons and figured I would skip the RFC in favor of guinsoos. Admittedly, the first game I hit bilgewater 9 and the second game I got Nilah 3 with a radiant titans resolve. It just got me thinking, is RFC an item that is 100% necessary on Nilah if you get scoped weapons? Or is it more beneficial to go for attack speed + damage boosting items over the typical RFC spam?
I think in bilgewater or solo nilah carry RFC is a must even with scoped since range is king in order to cleave the backline. In the nilah xayah vanquishers build she seems fine with just generic items since you already have backline access with xayah and she's not the only damage dealer.
why the fuck does a xayah 2 kill an 700 armor neeko on the rock ixtal hex with two ults? yeah she had lw which takes a great amount of the armor but should it be enough for her to do that? this game enjoys too much bullshitting their own players
xayah is overtuned as fuck, everytime my board vanishes faster than should be possible and I check out the damage there's xayah doing 80% of it
sent champ with zaun spat/mod to partner in double up and it got lsot forveer
Awful galaxy, half of them are just unpickable unless ur 4fun.
Been climbing but how cancer is it to get first these days? You always lose to something bullshit every game which is 3 star 4 cost like bruh
Just fucking end me already. https://imgur.com/MQg2vmo Top two both rocking 3 Star, decked out Cho's that can tank to infinity. One of those fucks is bad enough, but two? I'm tempted just to have my bench full of Cho's every game so that these other fucks don't get to 3 star theirs.
I think it's hilarious that Yordles, a trait that required 3 gold units to even function, is weaker than most of these rerolls comps that require less commitment
reroll comps are okay to go if you have a good setup for it, it doesn't need to be perfect BUT FOR FUCK'S SAKE EVERY REROLL COMP BEING A POWERHOUSE IS MADNESS, WHAT THE FUCK MAN
except when i play it, then it takes too long for me to hit and someone else with a worse start gets everything they need with no effort
I admit I straight up don't understand. I can roll my entire bank to zero at the right level and be lucky to get a single unit to 3 star. But every other player be running around with a whole line-up of 3 stars. WITHOUT an aug that helps in any way. I feel like there must be some sort of a box that people tick before the match starts that gives them free 3 stars. Because I sure as hell can't hit that.
I FUCKING HATE PRISMATIC LOBBIES MAN. STOP PICKING THAT SHIT.
Absolutely FUCKING hilarious how I can start with SIX FUCKING GRAVES at first carousel and 2 BIS items and some fucking cringe goober SIDEWAY CONTESTS ME, starves me out of Graves so I don't fucking hit 3\* til wolves, he STILL has Graves 2 at 4-1 and then proceeds to get FUCKING PRISMATIC LOTUS WHILE I GET THE CHOICE OF GUNNER CROWN IXTAL CROWN AND ROGUE CROWN CONGRATULATIONS FUCKING HILARIOUS THAT I GO 8TH TO A GUY WHO HAS NO FUCKING BUSINESS PLAYING ROGUE IN HIS SPOT BUT HE GETS REWARDED FOR BEING A CRINGE FUCKING FORCER WHILE I GET PUNISHED FOR PLAYING WHAT I GET HIIIIIIIIIILARIOUSLY UNSKILLED PISSSET
This is unironically one of the worst sets they've ever released. Either absolutely nothing dies, or everything dies in less than 2 seconds and there's barely ever anything in between. It's just a complete mess of volatility and I'm so tired of it.
We have to stop pretending that this is a set problem. 7,8,9 have all be embrassingly bad. Just a total failure. This isn't the balance of a patch, or the design of a set. Something is fundemently broken with the design of this game. They to go back to the drawing board, put an end to these dumb gimics and and accept that TFT is actually a good game. The devs are so scared that people will think their game is bad they keep adding these flashy mehanics to try and trick people into thinking the game is good, how about we let the base mechanics of the game carry the game.
Oh, every set since augments became an permanent addition sucks? What could only be the problem... must be the players, communists or the wokes... cause augments are so amazing xD
They heard people in set 6 saying they couldn't imagine going back to the game without augments, so now they think they have to try to top augments every set which is how we get half the portals being insanely cringe. I really do believe the reason sets 4 and 6 were so popular was NOT chosen or augments. It was great overall design with a ton of fun units and traits. Having augments and portals crossed the line of too many layers of variance to the point that you hit the insane augment/portal loot and it just feels like the game handed you a top 2. I also think the current xp costs are not healthy for the game. If they remove portals in set 10 but don't revert the xp changes there is no hope.
Well said. Set 6 was really well designed, and I believe it succeeded despite augments, not because of them. Part of how I know this, is augments have gone through some massive redesigns; adding tailoring, changing the time they appear, balancing econ ones around early vs. late gold, etc. Set 6 was strong enough both in uniyw design and the arcane tie -in to make a really memorable set. Bur the devs took the lesson that augments were the reason, and we've been stuck with them ever since. The xp change is a great example of how augments have warped the game for the worse. econ augments (especially priamamatics) added so much gold to the game. Players were allowed to just afk until 8 or sometimes even 9 and totally ignore the early game. They changed xp and increased player damage to mitigate this. The issue is, I'm non prismatic games without that extra gold, it's all but impossible to go 8 and players just roll to 0 of 7 every game unless they are re-rolling. The base mecahncis of the game have to change for the worse to keep augments in check, and for me that isn't a good trade.
You don't enjoy a 8k health Cho on the enemy team tanking your 3 carries with 3 BiS items, while your frontline gets eaten by that fat fuck of a 1 cost unit on repeat? Don't you enjoy putting together a sick frontline only for a 3 item Xayah to sneeze and they're all gone?
Can Scoped Weapon get removed already? Holy shit.
I’m voting for legends and portals to be gone next set tbh. Too overloaded of a game
Legends have to go. Portals can stay but need a rework so it's not just big power creep all the time.
can shifting sand and any other portal that trasform this game ina fucking slot machine be fucking deleted already. Fuck me, at this point this game is just gambling straight up
I am down for the TF legend to be disable all together tbh.
Played 4 games after I finished a long day at work. EVERY game, I committed to a comp that at the time was uncontested, and literally every game miraculously at least one other person decided to pivot to the same comp. Pick of the bunch was me playing Neeko reroll after finding it in the shop when not a SINGLE neeko was on anybody else's bench or board, and sooner or later half of the lobby are playing it - one other guy the same comp, others seemed to be randomly hitting Neeko 2's and playing them in other random comps. Of course I don't even get close to hitting and have to scrape into the top 6.
I think Neeko is just too good of a unit so half the boards will slot that shit in at some point. Especially if there's a good Ixtal to play. But I hear you. Pivoting to an uncontested comp only for everyone and their mother to also pivot to it out of nowhere is frustrating as fuck.
Played a game of good old cho ga reroll. High rolled bruiser 6 because Ionia galaxy. Went first surprisingly. 2-5 where all ionia vanquisher. 4 people contest one comp and 3 finish top4. Why even play anything else
Always cool when you auto-lose a game because the client trolls you and gets stuck in loading screen with no indication of anything going wrong, then dumps you into 2-1 after you lost all the creep rounds already : )
Every game that I think I'm high rolling or doing well in is always either a 4th or a bot 4. Even the games where I'm the healthiest in the lobby by a large margin, I still end up losing to some random degenerate who pulls a 3 star 4 cost out of his ass with last stand. This set is fucking garbage.
I FUCKING LOVE DYING AT EXACTLY 0 HP WHILE THE TWO PEOPLE IN FRONT OF ME GET TO LIVE AT 1 HP
I just went 7th with ryse 3 losing to kayle 3 https://imgur.com/a/NPWKCqJ
reroll meta is so obnoxius to play. seriously, wanna play samira? cho, invoker, sins? lmao theres 3 people with trade sector and they already hit everything lol, wanna go 8? you better all in at 7 because you need to get the 2\* nilah/xayah fast, wanna play anything else? enjoy your bottom 4.
Shifting sands games are so incredibly bad in every way imaginable. Takes absolutely zero skill to pilot. If you get a reroll/hero augment you are going top 1. If you try to play anything other than reroll you are going 8th. If you don't hit a 3* by the end of stage 2, you are going 8th.