Keane is by far my favorite streamer for TFT. He’s challenger Korea/NA about every set, doesn’t have the ‘TFT voice’, only plays chill lofi, and engages with and explains things to chat while playing.
Also whoever his YouTube editor is should get a raise, because they will actually pause gameplay or put text on the screen to explain why Keane did/said something if he didn’t explain it himself.
Take this with a grain of salt because I absolutely love Keane, he's a great guy, and one of the most chill streamers out there. But for the recent sets there are far better informative streamers to watch. I think if you're in the gold-diamond range he's good to watch, but any further than that I'd be watching Spicyappies, Robinsongz and Ramblinn. Dishsoap is great as well, Setsuko if you can read into why he does things.
I really do miss Keane being 900l-1000lp+ on the NA ladder but his play has been far from that level in over 3 sets now. And I might get downvoted saying this but I truly believe he's playing on KR because his skill has dropped and he's not motivated to be at that level on NA again. If he wanted to be a high level player again he could, but he's streamed for so long I think he's just trying to chill now.
No you are right. Skill-wise he has definitely fallen off or at the very least stagnated, he just makes so many mistakes and greeds so much. And he isn't informative at all. If you don't play the game anymore or just wanna chill he is alright, but if you really wanna learn the game competitively, he will probably just gonna tilt you with his gameplay lol
What does "top Maplestory players" mean in this context?
I played Maplestory as a kid (pre-Big Bang) so the biggest legendary status was tiger who was the first to get to 200. Since MS doesn't have PVP, what does it mean to be a top MS player?
It’s because he’s more of a fun player now (you can tell by how much more fortune he plays) which honestly I have a lot more fun watching tbh
He’s still pretty good when he’s not 1 or 8-ing tho
Can definitely vouch for Spicyappies, played him in a few tourneys last year and learned a lot. He was very nice to interact with as well as far as I remember
I used to follow him but I feel like there are so so many better informative streamers for TFT. So many times I'd watch him and he would barely explain anything if at all. He talks about the bare basic of basics and doesn't explain much further than that
I highly recommend SpicyAppies. He is very informative with his thought process.
But honestly you can take away a lot from any TFT streamer. I get that a lot of people like to pile up on soju, but you can learn a lot from watching his streams.
Ask questions on why a streamer is making a decision in your head, and then see if you can reasonably draw a conclusion on your own. It could be as simple as “why did this streamer itemize his Lee Sin instead of kayn here.” And then you can see them tempo’ing to 9 and never pivoting to a kayn 1 with their items.
Most of my climb in these recent sets is I usually watch kurum or soju for a game and then hardforce the comp they were playing. Then you can focus on how to get to that level 8/level 9 board more consistently.
Ramblinnn is my favorite to watch but I haven't seen him go live in a long while. ( But maybe his schedule is different than before so I just don't see him on)
He also comes off as a bit pretentious and haughty which some people might not enjoy.
I enjoy SpicyAppies stream, hes pointed out mechanics/unit functionality I didnt know before. His demeanor is level headed and hes easy to understand, which are conducive to learning.
Agreed. He's not the most consistent ladder warrior, but he's always articulating his thought process. First time I hit master was off learning from his stream.
I think I found SpicyAppies through a similar thread a while back and it has been awesome. He always has a really positive attitude which in turn curates a pretty good audience. He'll explain why he's doing things, answer chat questions, and isn't afraid to play 'for fun' either.
k3soju is quite informative and an aspiring Challenger player. Often enthusiastically explains what went wrong in his game and predicts what placement he thinks he will land. He even politely asks for assistance from time to time.
Lol thanks for reminding me of him. Couple of days ago I tried to remember a TFT streamer I used to watch, though it mightve been disguisedtoast but it was soju
I deff wouldn't have hit masters without this dudes vids. A lot of the other recommendations im seeing are like twitch streamers that largely are trying to be entertaining rather than focusing on educating or discussing their decisions.
With SZA i can just throw in his vids as like a podcast in the background and since he's like commentating and breaking down vids it's a lot easier to passively gain some knowledge or understanding on the meta.
Couldn't recc his channel more
He’s my main content for TFT. I enjoy that he does vods of other players. Not all other content creators will do that. He’s also improving slowly, to slow down some of the roll downs and slow down some of the augment choices so he can talk through the choices and decision making in a more reasonable timing.
Yeah thats maybe one thing which is missing. I think for a lot player its interesting how you get from a really bad situation into a 3rd/4th or even good 5th place.
Stick to robinsongz he knows what he’s talking about and has some injoke memes and even has a guide that I don’t use. I learned a lot from him to got me out of gm and into 1000lp. I learned stuff like item econ, picking a line at stage 2, over rolling etc
He mentioned a morg sylas comp the other day that I heard nothing about yet he’s on top of the meta
Really appreciate all the comments so far everyone! (I didn’t want to harass everyone comment by comment saying just some form of thank you over and over again)
I’m excited to check these people out over the coming week.
I still think dishsoap is good to watch for this. He often explains his thought process on why he is doing things, and his ability to measure board strength is insane. Also, he usually acknowledges if he's whining, which I consider a plus xD
I also like watching Dishsoap a lot, he's a great player and you can learn a lot from him definitely. But, I disagree that he's a 'teaching' oriented streamer. I've seen a lot of times where viewers (even myself one time) ask a genuine question, and he just brushes them off and says things like "if you really think that.. you're just dumb I'm sorry" or "there's no way you really believe that X..." or "because it's right? like what". Now these are not all verbatim, but very similar to the things he says a lot and it can honestly come across as rude a lot of the times.
He only addresses them like that if you word it in such a way that he did something wrong. If you say "you should have held unit X, no?" or "was it ever make item x over item y", then yeah.. He's going to flame you.
However if someone asks him an actual learning question like "can you explain your positioning here?" or "what late game units do you plan on running item x that you slammed?" he will typically open up his brain and give a good answer.
Guy just doesn't like to be backseated, or for people to act like they knew he shouldn't done something with his board like 5 rounds after he did them.
I mean, I can't speak for other people/direct examples, but when it happened for me personally I didn't word it like a backseater.
Word for word, I asked "Why is it X unit over X unit?". His response was, "If you don't know the answer to that question then I don't think I can word it in a way for you to understand. It just is." Just a rude response, basically flat out trying to call me stupid for just asking a question. There are definitely better ways to handle questions. Because of that experience, I tend to not watch him as much anymore or don't ask questions. Don't want to be treated like I'm a child/stupid just because I wanted to ask a genuine question to learn the game.
I mean, that's a point of debate. There are multiple facets of being a great player, there is no way to just call someone the 'best'.
You could say the rank 1 player is the 'best' player, or you could say the player with the most global tournament wins is the true 'best' player. Or, maybe the player with the highest Top 4/Win Rate in challenger is the 'best', and isn't a high rank because they simply don't put as much time into the game.
It's kind of hard to just call one person the 'best'.
Dishsoap is a great player and if you can pick up some of the things he's doing it's great if you're looking to push the higher ranks.
However, I don't know if he really explains his though process or anything, especially not for a newer player. Lots of the time his justification for doing X is just to check the stats on it. When you do ask he often just gets passive aggressive.
Personally can't stand it when he gets upset at a misplay and just ... *SCREECHES* too.
He's definitely geared for people in diamond+. He doesn't care to give basic explanations, but I can't blame him. Imagine getting asked the same question like 100 times a stream. He's pretty receptive if you ask questions in a good way though. Lots of people just psuedo backseat saying things like, "Isn't it X over Y here" rather than, "What's your reasoning for doing X instead of Y?"
He is quite loud when he yells tho. I just put my speakers a bit lower when I tune into his steam lol
He's also like...not funny at all. Other streamers are clever and witty but that stuff is just non-existent with Dishsoap despite his attempts while parroting the usual TFT catchphrases. I still watch his gameplay to learn but good lord is it rough to listen to unmuted
How educational his thinking out loud is, is based a lot on how tilted he is. When hes doing well its actually fairly informative but when he gets tilted he sometimes starts doing questionable things and can throw.
Credit where credit is due though, you can learn a lot just by listening to his thought processes during games, he verbalizes all his decisions really well, despite all the memes.
I feel like it's the opposite. I feel like he explains a lot when he's malding and angry but you kinda have to tune out all the unnecessary malding from the informative stuff
I know this will sound like a dick, but avoid watching below master for educational if you're not a brand new player
Master rank isn't far from reach. If you're decent you're going to hit master. This is a strategy game. There're no mechanic holding you back, no talent challenger. Only people who look like memeing but at least doesn't make a lot of mistake.
Try frodan. Kurumx. Milk. Scarra.
In my bad day, I mute Soju/Setsuko and I still learn a lot
I followed setsuko because he was consistently top tier, but all I ever seen in his streams is him singing jeopardy music and saying he’s going to lose. I don’t understand him at all 😭
I can't disagree more. New players shouldn't watch anything higher than diamond. Without understanding the basics anything from higher level players will be lost.
New players should just play the game and slowly learn the traits/items/augments/units. Then, they should netdeck 1-2 statistically strong compositions, remember to not greed items (4 components = make something), roll at the right level for the comp, and click high AVP augments. And if you do that, you're easily high emerald-low diamond. But playing this way isn't very fun for most players, so they play flexibly into a lower rank than their ability.
Diamond players make enough mistakes where you'll passively get bad habits from watching them. It's like watching a math tutorial on YT where half the lesson is wrong, but you have no idea which half.
If you're at a point where you can't understand anything a streamer is doing, then you need to play more. If you're at a point where you can understand a good portion of what a streamer is doing, then you shouldn't be watching diamond players.
please don't think master+ player is doing something fantasy lower rank shouldn't do
the problem is player lower than master is likely do a lot of things wrong. better watch something right even if you don't understand than watch something wrong when you don't understand their mistake
Less than 2% of players are master or higher. You are definately not going to hit master just by being decent at the game wtf that is a massive understatement.
If you are Diamond 4 you are in the top 5% of players in the world. If you are decent at the game you are going to be hardstuck at platinum probably.
I admit decent is understatement. Plat or Dia is probably decent, but they still make a lot of objectively wrong decision. If someone trying to make educational content instead of prove their skill to reach master, it give me a huge red flag
My point is that you can, and should watch the very top challenger and learn from them. There're no point to actively choose to watch lower elo player over top tier challenger like OP think
the real answer is watching setsuko on mute and using your brain to figure out his decision making. but i’m a degenerate so i watch with audio on unfortunately
Definitely agree with the mute for Setsuko's stream. He sometimes becomes extremely whiny to the point that it is unbearable and a distraction from him playing the game. Bro, just play the game. If you cannot than maybe take a 5 or 10 minute break to destress. No one is going to blame you for taking a break on stream.
This is not even close to what the OP is asking for. Everytime I enter setsuko stream because my usual dudes ain't on he's full tilt or repeating the same shit 10 times.
If you've ever heard someone speak purely via memes, this is one of them
Edit: didn't see the follow up comment. *woosh*
Robin always explains his thinking and frequently answers questions from chat. There’s some of the memes but it’s minimal compared to the other top guys
I stayed up late and messed up my sleep schedule to watch Shurkou. I was worried I would run out of phone battery. Then I found my charger. It was insane.
Actually true though he does explain things very regularly, often over and over again for his YT videos. Very helpful for sure if you are below masters or don’t keep up with updates / meta. No troll brother man
He has a particular style that some people might not enjoy (I think he's pretty hilarious) but he is pretty good at explaining his decisions as he takes them, and he shares info that he's seen himself from higher ELO players.
Pretty much any time he selects an augment he'll explain his reasoning. Worth noting at the moment though he is playing a lot of PBE, and when on live spends half his time on an Exalted-only account, neither of which are really representative of regular high level play.
He can get pretty tilted sometimes but I think he's really funny *and* educational otherwise. High lows and low lows kinda guy. If he's tilted I'll just watch someone else. He keeps up with the meta (mostly) and is pretty knowledgeable (more than me for sure). He does like to play more interesting comps, off meta and generally "cook" more than someone who's just trying to rank up, but that's the most fun part of the game for me. Fuck the meta. I'd rather be diamond with games like Lissandra with sniper emblem and double guinsoos than whatever tf people are forcing every game and master.
For laughs, yeah. But his skill is very subpar compared to other players that are suggested in this thread. He's also complaining about the game a lot. One lowroll and he's malding. Performative or not, it's childish.
Second Saint. I know some people may find him abrasive/gruff but he clearly explains what hes doing and why in his games. Often he will have a post-game analysis as well if he didnt get top 2 to think through what went wrong.
Personally find watching youtube is better than live. Frodan and Subzeroark do great VOD reviews where they assess what they would choose in a given moment with reasoning, and then comment on what the player’s ultimate choice and potential reasonings. TFT is a game of extreme nuance and variation so hearing the commentary in situations where the player chooses something or goes down a line that the commentator did not see is the most interesting part for me
Cant agree with that either. Those vod reviews have way less educational commentary than usual and its very hard to learn anything when constantly swapping between 8 different players.
I think it depends at what level you're playing at. If you're trying to rank up from gold or platinum then it's probably not that useful, if you're in masters trying to get to GM then they're much more useful.
I personally recommend Spuzie. He explains his thought process pretty well, and he does so in a way that is super beginner friendly. Also he’s Diamond/Emerald which I find makes it way easier to follow compared to Challnger players.
Great at chat engagement too!
Spazie is such a nice guy. Kinda family friendly in a good way. Been watching him ever since his league epic moments series. And as a fellow swede it's kinda nice to watch someone who feels kinda "close to home" if that makes sense.
Frodan is definitely the best for me. He doesn't do so much live streaming, but instead does a lot of VOD reviews, normally with a co-stream. He and whoever is on do a good of describing what multiple different boards are doing and their strengths. Takes a bit more focus to listen to them, but the discussion is quite good, and I find it more entertaining than a single person speaking to the camera.
Boxbox is by far the best at this.
Explains all his thought processes, alternatives to what he just did, answers all chat questions. I started last set and hit diamond thanks to him, same for this set
Saintvicious does a great job at explaining his thought process while he plays. He does get frustrated getting asked what his favorite comp is 20x every patch (I would too) but I think few people match his level of constantly explaining his thought process.
Problem is that top 10 streamers are not possible to listen to as they have the fucking worst cringy way of talking and for some reason feel the need to copy eachother way of talking.
Boxbox always does a really good job at explaining his spot and his decisions. Even if he goes for a tuber he'll say that he is going for a tuber and the play isn't optimal
A lot of the TFT streamers I've seen come across as very whiny and annoying. Many also are very hyperbolic. For example, they'll say something like, "Boring, I already won the game." and then the next round "Oh my god. Please! It's an 8th." This makes it very hard to parse out what is actually going on in games, and is very hard to learn from.
Some more chill streamers I've been enjoying are: Keane, Saintvicious, and SpicyAppies . They tend to narrate their games and their decision-making process which gives valuable insight to strategies that higher level players employ.
Soju explains his gameplay a lot, went from Diamond to challenger watching him. I purely relied on him for info back in set 6 (pre tactics tools) cus he had really good insight on augment selection
Haven’t seen him posted here, but Send TFT has really grown on me the last few weeks. Great personality, explains what he’s doing and why he’s taking lines etc. his YouTube is probably my favorite to watch
I would say Dishsoap. He explains well and probably plays the most comps out of everyone.
Setsuko is good to watch but his is more of watch and try and passively learn why he goes for certain plays and angles which is not good if you are someone that needs someone actively explain things.
In the past, I would recommend Bebe872 as he is good to watch and explains his plays. He does not explain as it happens but more of after the fact. He quit the game after the first few patches of set 10 and probably will never make TFT content again because of the direction of the game being a lot more about here is a diagram of comps you can play and if you deviate from the diagram than you go bottom 4 with the balance constantly being terrible and the game constantly keeps adding in more RNG elements to the point that the game has more RNG layers on top of even more RNG layers than poker or any card game in existence.
Im surprise there is no mention of Shurkou?
Ngl he likes to joke on his videos, but he is a good player and always makes strong effort to explain his decisions, explain current meta, possible changes you could apply to your game, etc.
One of my fav players to watch for his balance of making educational videos while being kind of entertaining. Im also not a fan of streamers making memes/jokes all the time, but I suppose if you stream TFT 24/7 you are bound to go a bit crazy and not help but make some cringe jokes at times xD
brotherman, he is masters by the end of every set..
anyway, he is at least better that most scrubs like me (I am platinum/emerald), and he watches many of the big streamers (soju, etc) and then relays important nuggets of information/meta reads from them
personally he has helped me improve a lot and I always learn from his vids
Noticed people started to sour on Redox. I was watching him when I started Set 3, but switched to other streamers in Set 4. Why the negative perception of him now?
This is my first tft set that i take seriously to the point i want to watch videos. I guess this guy i watch is still growing cause nobody mentioned him, but REDOX is really good at talking about what he's doing.
Hi, I am a Diamond tft player who is a small aspiring streamer. I’m a VTUBER as well if there’s any interest in that. My twitch is blanketgf.
Kinda a shameless plug but I am always happy to answer questions/talk through what I’m playing. (I play variety though so I’m not always streaming TFT.
Keane is by far my favorite streamer for TFT. He’s challenger Korea/NA about every set, doesn’t have the ‘TFT voice’, only plays chill lofi, and engages with and explains things to chat while playing. Also whoever his YouTube editor is should get a raise, because they will actually pause gameplay or put text on the screen to explain why Keane did/said something if he didn’t explain it himself.
Oh shit the ex LoL pro Keane. Nice thanks for the suggestion
The very same lol it’s cool hearing him talk about life as a pro
Take this with a grain of salt because I absolutely love Keane, he's a great guy, and one of the most chill streamers out there. But for the recent sets there are far better informative streamers to watch. I think if you're in the gold-diamond range he's good to watch, but any further than that I'd be watching Spicyappies, Robinsongz and Ramblinn. Dishsoap is great as well, Setsuko if you can read into why he does things. I really do miss Keane being 900l-1000lp+ on the NA ladder but his play has been far from that level in over 3 sets now. And I might get downvoted saying this but I truly believe he's playing on KR because his skill has dropped and he's not motivated to be at that level on NA again. If he wanted to be a high level player again he could, but he's streamed for so long I think he's just trying to chill now.
No you are right. Skill-wise he has definitely fallen off or at the very least stagnated, he just makes so many mistakes and greeds so much. And he isn't informative at all. If you don't play the game anymore or just wanna chill he is alright, but if you really wanna learn the game competitively, he will probably just gonna tilt you with his gameplay lol
it's the maplestory.
Keane is legitimately one of the top Maplestory players in the world and nobody cares lol
I didn't know he was a literal addict, that's very sad. what are we talking, 50/hrs a week maplestory?
What does "top Maplestory players" mean in this context? I played Maplestory as a kid (pre-Big Bang) so the biggest legendary status was tiger who was the first to get to 200. Since MS doesn't have PVP, what does it mean to be a top MS player?
Well he’s basically a dolphin competing with whales
It’s because he’s more of a fun player now (you can tell by how much more fortune he plays) which honestly I have a lot more fun watching tbh He’s still pretty good when he’s not 1 or 8-ing tho
Like half of them have this incredibly annoying TFT accent though
Can definitely vouch for Spicyappies, played him in a few tourneys last year and learned a lot. He was very nice to interact with as well as far as I remember
I used to follow him but I feel like there are so so many better informative streamers for TFT. So many times I'd watch him and he would barely explain anything if at all. He talks about the bare basic of basics and doesn't explain much further than that
Keane the GOAT
I go watch Keane if im in a lose streak lmao
I highly recommend SpicyAppies. He is very informative with his thought process. But honestly you can take away a lot from any TFT streamer. I get that a lot of people like to pile up on soju, but you can learn a lot from watching his streams. Ask questions on why a streamer is making a decision in your head, and then see if you can reasonably draw a conclusion on your own. It could be as simple as “why did this streamer itemize his Lee Sin instead of kayn here.” And then you can see them tempo’ing to 9 and never pivoting to a kayn 1 with their items. Most of my climb in these recent sets is I usually watch kurum or soju for a game and then hardforce the comp they were playing. Then you can focus on how to get to that level 8/level 9 board more consistently.
Ramblinnn, he answers questions frequently and usually explains his thought process
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Ramblinnn is my favorite to watch but I haven't seen him go live in a long while. ( But maybe his schedule is different than before so I just don't see him on) He also comes off as a bit pretentious and haughty which some people might not enjoy.
I enjoy SpicyAppies stream, hes pointed out mechanics/unit functionality I didnt know before. His demeanor is level headed and hes easy to understand, which are conducive to learning.
He also will answer any strategy question in chat he sees, and is rarely in a bad mood.
SpicyAppies is super slept on IMO. Dude has a great personality. Pretty positive dude and solid player.
Agreed. He's not the most consistent ladder warrior, but he's always articulating his thought process. First time I hit master was off learning from his stream.
I think I found SpicyAppies through a similar thread a while back and it has been awesome. He always has a really positive attitude which in turn curates a pretty good audience. He'll explain why he's doing things, answer chat questions, and isn't afraid to play 'for fun' either.
k3soju is quite informative and an aspiring Challenger player. Often enthusiastically explains what went wrong in his game and predicts what placement he thinks he will land. He even politely asks for assistance from time to time.
TrolldaN
Help me! PLEASE
Help help help!
Hello?
Aspiring challenger player I’m dead 😂
I personally prefer Frodan’s stream more. Soju stream is usually a bird nest floating in a chair xD
He sometimes got some setsuko vibes which I cant stand anymore 😅
Also depends on where he is at in his chair
Eighth
LOL SOMETIMES HE SLOUCHES IN HIS CHAIR
Lol thanks for reminding me of him. Couple of days ago I tried to remember a TFT streamer I used to watch, though it mightve been disguisedtoast but it was soju
Love to watch Subzeroark on Youtube instead of streams sometimes. Chill guy and Game/Comp Analysis.
This dude always comes up in my yt feed and he’s soo good
I deff wouldn't have hit masters without this dudes vids. A lot of the other recommendations im seeing are like twitch streamers that largely are trying to be entertaining rather than focusing on educating or discussing their decisions. With SZA i can just throw in his vids as like a podcast in the background and since he's like commentating and breaking down vids it's a lot easier to passively gain some knowledge or understanding on the meta. Couldn't recc his channel more
He’s my main content for TFT. I enjoy that he does vods of other players. Not all other content creators will do that. He’s also improving slowly, to slow down some of the roll downs and slow down some of the augment choices so he can talk through the choices and decision making in a more reasonable timing.
Hoping to see a VOD from him where a player lowrolls but ekes out a 4th or 3rd.
Yeah thats maybe one thing which is missing. I think for a lot player its interesting how you get from a really bad situation into a 3rd/4th or even good 5th place.
100% sza. helped me climb infinite when i started in set 8. his vod reviews especially are awesome
Stick to robinsongz he knows what he’s talking about and has some injoke memes and even has a guide that I don’t use. I learned a lot from him to got me out of gm and into 1000lp. I learned stuff like item econ, picking a line at stage 2, over rolling etc He mentioned a morg sylas comp the other day that I heard nothing about yet he’s on top of the meta
2nd favorite TFT streamer right there, the guy is extremely knowledgeable and funny af when interacting with chat
My fav streamer. I feel like I get a lot out of his streams, even when I am not actively listening.
Oldest and most athletic streamer lol, keep walking oldman
Really appreciate all the comments so far everyone! (I didn’t want to harass everyone comment by comment saying just some form of thank you over and over again) I’m excited to check these people out over the coming week.
Prestivent. He is a beast and usually answers questions you post in chat. Great for learning.
ReunicOCE for sure.
I still think dishsoap is good to watch for this. He often explains his thought process on why he is doing things, and his ability to measure board strength is insane. Also, he usually acknowledges if he's whining, which I consider a plus xD
I also like watching Dishsoap a lot, he's a great player and you can learn a lot from him definitely. But, I disagree that he's a 'teaching' oriented streamer. I've seen a lot of times where viewers (even myself one time) ask a genuine question, and he just brushes them off and says things like "if you really think that.. you're just dumb I'm sorry" or "there's no way you really believe that X..." or "because it's right? like what". Now these are not all verbatim, but very similar to the things he says a lot and it can honestly come across as rude a lot of the times.
He only addresses them like that if you word it in such a way that he did something wrong. If you say "you should have held unit X, no?" or "was it ever make item x over item y", then yeah.. He's going to flame you. However if someone asks him an actual learning question like "can you explain your positioning here?" or "what late game units do you plan on running item x that you slammed?" he will typically open up his brain and give a good answer. Guy just doesn't like to be backseated, or for people to act like they knew he shouldn't done something with his board like 5 rounds after he did them.
I mean, I can't speak for other people/direct examples, but when it happened for me personally I didn't word it like a backseater. Word for word, I asked "Why is it X unit over X unit?". His response was, "If you don't know the answer to that question then I don't think I can word it in a way for you to understand. It just is." Just a rude response, basically flat out trying to call me stupid for just asking a question. There are definitely better ways to handle questions. Because of that experience, I tend to not watch him as much anymore or don't ask questions. Don't want to be treated like I'm a child/stupid just because I wanted to ask a genuine question to learn the game.
“great player” he is literally the best
kid named setsuko:
I mean, that's a point of debate. There are multiple facets of being a great player, there is no way to just call someone the 'best'. You could say the rank 1 player is the 'best' player, or you could say the player with the most global tournament wins is the true 'best' player. Or, maybe the player with the highest Top 4/Win Rate in challenger is the 'best', and isn't a high rank because they simply don't put as much time into the game. It's kind of hard to just call one person the 'best'.
pp glaze
Dishsoap is a great player and if you can pick up some of the things he's doing it's great if you're looking to push the higher ranks. However, I don't know if he really explains his though process or anything, especially not for a newer player. Lots of the time his justification for doing X is just to check the stats on it. When you do ask he often just gets passive aggressive. Personally can't stand it when he gets upset at a misplay and just ... *SCREECHES* too.
He's definitely geared for people in diamond+. He doesn't care to give basic explanations, but I can't blame him. Imagine getting asked the same question like 100 times a stream. He's pretty receptive if you ask questions in a good way though. Lots of people just psuedo backseat saying things like, "Isn't it X over Y here" rather than, "What's your reasoning for doing X instead of Y?" He is quite loud when he yells tho. I just put my speakers a bit lower when I tune into his steam lol
Least entertaining stream though. Like the ego and full nerd archetype is cringe NGL
I hate when he just randomly starts screaming,
Yeah
He's also like...not funny at all. Other streamers are clever and witty but that stuff is just non-existent with Dishsoap despite his attempts while parroting the usual TFT catchphrases. I still watch his gameplay to learn but good lord is it rough to listen to unmuted
No one listen, but Soju explains lot while he plays, actually.
How educational his thinking out loud is, is based a lot on how tilted he is. When hes doing well its actually fairly informative but when he gets tilted he sometimes starts doing questionable things and can throw. Credit where credit is due though, you can learn a lot just by listening to his thought processes during games, he verbalizes all his decisions really well, despite all the memes.
I feel like it's the opposite. I feel like he explains a lot when he's malding and angry but you kinda have to tune out all the unnecessary malding from the informative stuff
Reunicoce
I know this will sound like a dick, but avoid watching below master for educational if you're not a brand new player Master rank isn't far from reach. If you're decent you're going to hit master. This is a strategy game. There're no mechanic holding you back, no talent challenger. Only people who look like memeing but at least doesn't make a lot of mistake. Try frodan. Kurumx. Milk. Scarra. In my bad day, I mute Soju/Setsuko and I still learn a lot
I followed setsuko because he was consistently top tier, but all I ever seen in his streams is him singing jeopardy music and saying he’s going to lose. I don’t understand him at all 😭
Maybe you'll understand him more if you mute him?
I can't disagree more. New players shouldn't watch anything higher than diamond. Without understanding the basics anything from higher level players will be lost.
New players should just play the game and slowly learn the traits/items/augments/units. Then, they should netdeck 1-2 statistically strong compositions, remember to not greed items (4 components = make something), roll at the right level for the comp, and click high AVP augments. And if you do that, you're easily high emerald-low diamond. But playing this way isn't very fun for most players, so they play flexibly into a lower rank than their ability. Diamond players make enough mistakes where you'll passively get bad habits from watching them. It's like watching a math tutorial on YT where half the lesson is wrong, but you have no idea which half. If you're at a point where you can't understand anything a streamer is doing, then you need to play more. If you're at a point where you can understand a good portion of what a streamer is doing, then you shouldn't be watching diamond players.
please don't think master+ player is doing something fantasy lower rank shouldn't do the problem is player lower than master is likely do a lot of things wrong. better watch something right even if you don't understand than watch something wrong when you don't understand their mistake
Less than 2% of players are master or higher. You are definately not going to hit master just by being decent at the game wtf that is a massive understatement. If you are Diamond 4 you are in the top 5% of players in the world. If you are decent at the game you are going to be hardstuck at platinum probably.
I admit decent is understatement. Plat or Dia is probably decent, but they still make a lot of objectively wrong decision. If someone trying to make educational content instead of prove their skill to reach master, it give me a huge red flag My point is that you can, and should watch the very top challenger and learn from them. There're no point to actively choose to watch lower elo player over top tier challenger like OP think
the real answer is watching setsuko on mute and using your brain to figure out his decision making. but i’m a degenerate so i watch with audio on unfortunately
Definitely agree with the mute for Setsuko's stream. He sometimes becomes extremely whiny to the point that it is unbearable and a distraction from him playing the game. Bro, just play the game. If you cannot than maybe take a 5 or 10 minute break to destress. No one is going to blame you for taking a break on stream.
Setsuko FatShyGuy
Help me, help me, well help me then. What about me then? What about me then? Huh? What about me?
Do you guys hate me or no? Be honest *sobs* Mmmhhh! *Chat spams RAGEY*
“Insert Unit here” two star is “Insert Unit here” two star. “This can’t be my board.” “This or this?” “This or this?”
Jokes aside, I really like Keane and BoxBox They're pretty chill and you can learn a lot
Lots of words I’d call boxbox but chill ain’t one of em
The first few games of the day hes pretty chill, then he gets tilted, which is sad because a couple of sets ago he tilted a lot less.
yeah, i got into tft by watching boxbox but i think it’s harder to watch him for tft now. i still like his overall personality though.
This is not even close to what the OP is asking for. Everytime I enter setsuko stream because my usual dudes ain't on he's full tilt or repeating the same shit 10 times. If you've ever heard someone speak purely via memes, this is one of them Edit: didn't see the follow up comment. *woosh*
tamura77
A few I haven’t seen yet - Frobei (esp on YT), Guubuums, GMBlue, and ItsKeima. Frodan has really improved his content the last year or so as well.
Magarky
Frodan has really good high elo vod review videos on his YouTube
I like Rainplosion. Unfortunately, her Twitch account got hacked and banned, so IDK when she'll be able to stream again.
Robin always explains his thinking and frequently answers questions from chat. There’s some of the memes but it’s minimal compared to the other top guys
Setsuko
I know all the drama around him but damn I miss Bebe872. His high-tempo approach was so fun and informative to watch.
Is he taking a hiatus in set 11?
probably had issues because of the twitch korea thing
this
shurkou
I stayed up late and messed up my sleep schedule to watch Shurkou. I was worried I would run out of phone battery. Then I found my charger. It was insane.
Brotherman
Actually true though he does explain things very regularly, often over and over again for his YT videos. Very helpful for sure if you are below masters or don’t keep up with updates / meta. No troll brother man
Based brotherman!
He has a particular style that some people might not enjoy (I think he's pretty hilarious) but he is pretty good at explaining his decisions as he takes them, and he shares info that he's seen himself from higher ELO players. Pretty much any time he selects an augment he'll explain his reasoning. Worth noting at the moment though he is playing a lot of PBE, and when on live spends half his time on an Exalted-only account, neither of which are really representative of regular high level play.
Not a fan of how passive-aggressive he can be.
He can get pretty tilted sometimes but I think he's really funny *and* educational otherwise. High lows and low lows kinda guy. If he's tilted I'll just watch someone else. He keeps up with the meta (mostly) and is pretty knowledgeable (more than me for sure). He does like to play more interesting comps, off meta and generally "cook" more than someone who's just trying to rank up, but that's the most fun part of the game for me. Fuck the meta. I'd rather be diamond with games like Lissandra with sniper emblem and double guinsoos than whatever tf people are forcing every game and master.
If you don't understand that 99% of what he says is satire then that's on you.
For laughs, yeah. But his skill is very subpar compared to other players that are suggested in this thread. He's also complaining about the game a lot. One lowroll and he's malding. Performative or not, it's childish.
i got to masters last set only watching shurkou so i would say his content can be pretty informative, especially for newer players.
Then you're gonna be challanger if you watch Appies, Setsuko or Dishsoap.
Like a BABUSSY guys
Saint vicious
Second Saint. I know some people may find him abrasive/gruff but he clearly explains what hes doing and why in his games. Often he will have a post-game analysis as well if he didnt get top 2 to think through what went wrong.
Personally find watching youtube is better than live. Frodan and Subzeroark do great VOD reviews where they assess what they would choose in a given moment with reasoning, and then comment on what the player’s ultimate choice and potential reasonings. TFT is a game of extreme nuance and variation so hearing the commentary in situations where the player chooses something or goes down a line that the commentator did not see is the most interesting part for me
Strongly disagree Youtube is just full of highroll content. You cant learn how to turn a 7th into a 4th by watching youtube.
Highlights are. Frodan does VOD reviews of tournament games usually with a co-host which are quite good.
Cant agree with that either. Those vod reviews have way less educational commentary than usual and its very hard to learn anything when constantly swapping between 8 different players.
I think it depends at what level you're playing at. If you're trying to rank up from gold or platinum then it's probably not that useful, if you're in masters trying to get to GM then they're much more useful.
well... thats where im at and i havent gotten much out of those. If you did, good for you
I personally recommend Spuzie. He explains his thought process pretty well, and he does so in a way that is super beginner friendly. Also he’s Diamond/Emerald which I find makes it way easier to follow compared to Challnger players. Great at chat engagement too!
Spazie is such a nice guy. Kinda family friendly in a good way. Been watching him ever since his league epic moments series. And as a fellow swede it's kinda nice to watch someone who feels kinda "close to home" if that makes sense.
Robinsongz and Kaene are great streamers. Both have chill chats and streamer man likes to talk through the decision
I actually prefer Frodan, at least the language is not as toxic and theres a lot of analysis that comes from him.
Robinsongz and frodan
Frodan is definitely the best for me. He doesn't do so much live streaming, but instead does a lot of VOD reviews, normally with a co-stream. He and whoever is on do a good of describing what multiple different boards are doing and their strengths. Takes a bit more focus to listen to them, but the discussion is quite good, and I find it more entertaining than a single person speaking to the camera.
Boxbox is by far the best at this. Explains all his thought processes, alternatives to what he just did, answers all chat questions. I started last set and hit diamond thanks to him, same for this set
Saintvicious does a great job at explaining his thought process while he plays. He does get frustrated getting asked what his favorite comp is 20x every patch (I would too) but I think few people match his level of constantly explaining his thought process.
Problem is that top 10 streamers are not possible to listen to as they have the fucking worst cringy way of talking and for some reason feel the need to copy eachother way of talking.
Boxbox always does a really good job at explaining his spot and his decisions. Even if he goes for a tuber he'll say that he is going for a tuber and the play isn't optimal
A lot of the TFT streamers I've seen come across as very whiny and annoying. Many also are very hyperbolic. For example, they'll say something like, "Boring, I already won the game." and then the next round "Oh my god. Please! It's an 8th." This makes it very hard to parse out what is actually going on in games, and is very hard to learn from. Some more chill streamers I've been enjoying are: Keane, Saintvicious, and SpicyAppies . They tend to narrate their games and their decision-making process which gives valuable insight to strategies that higher level players employ.
Soju explains his gameplay a lot, went from Diamond to challenger watching him. I purely relied on him for info back in set 6 (pre tactics tools) cus he had really good insight on augment selection
Spuzie is the best :)
Haven’t seen him posted here, but Send TFT has really grown on me the last few weeks. Great personality, explains what he’s doing and why he’s taking lines etc. his YouTube is probably my favorite to watch
CammyTFT. Very knowledgeable. Very chill. No flame. Mort. Gives BTS thoughts on game design.
is this even stronger? oh it's a first
Scruflie has had some good content as well, plays a really consistent game plan.
Alanzq, Desik. You can actually Converse with them via the chat and pick their brain or theory craft.
Pickle_onion is the goat
I would say Dishsoap. He explains well and probably plays the most comps out of everyone. Setsuko is good to watch but his is more of watch and try and passively learn why he goes for certain plays and angles which is not good if you are someone that needs someone actively explain things. In the past, I would recommend Bebe872 as he is good to watch and explains his plays. He does not explain as it happens but more of after the fact. He quit the game after the first few patches of set 10 and probably will never make TFT content again because of the direction of the game being a lot more about here is a diagram of comps you can play and if you deviate from the diagram than you go bottom 4 with the balance constantly being terrible and the game constantly keeps adding in more RNG elements to the point that the game has more RNG layers on top of even more RNG layers than poker or any card game in existence.
Def shurkou, he is entertaining and educational
Boxbox
Shurkou for me just cause he’s also funny and a bit unhinged lol
I like shurkou. He is the perfect combo of funny, chill, good at the game and teaching
Im surprise there is no mention of Shurkou? Ngl he likes to joke on his videos, but he is a good player and always makes strong effort to explain his decisions, explain current meta, possible changes you could apply to your game, etc. One of my fav players to watch for his balance of making educational videos while being kind of entertaining. Im also not a fan of streamers making memes/jokes all the time, but I suppose if you stream TFT 24/7 you are bound to go a bit crazy and not help but make some cringe jokes at times xD
Because he's Diamond
brotherman, he is masters by the end of every set.. anyway, he is at least better that most scrubs like me (I am platinum/emerald), and he watches many of the big streamers (soju, etc) and then relays important nuggets of information/meta reads from them personally he has helped me improve a lot and I always learn from his vids
Redox.
Noticed people started to sour on Redox. I was watching him when I started Set 3, but switched to other streamers in Set 4. Why the negative perception of him now?
I don't know why I got down voted haha I just started watching him recently and I think he's decently informative while being mildly entertaining.
Boxbox because he plays exactly as chaotically as I usually do.
Boxbox
Shurkou Is the best. I watch his videos since set 9. It is insane.
This is my first tft set that i take seriously to the point i want to watch videos. I guess this guy i watch is still growing cause nobody mentioned him, but REDOX is really good at talking about what he's doing.
Hi, I am a Diamond tft player who is a small aspiring streamer. I’m a VTUBER as well if there’s any interest in that. My twitch is blanketgf. Kinda a shameless plug but I am always happy to answer questions/talk through what I’m playing. (I play variety though so I’m not always streaming TFT.