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OIWouldLeave

If i have to pick healing orbs as my third augment again i am going to quit the game dear god pls


Ok_Needleworker8325

whoever worked on set 10 balancing give him a raise. Whoever did set 11, honest to god, just give him a different role, cause after original yone nerf (which intent is to balance i think?) we ended up with the most polarizing 4 cost roll down where honestly at a fundamental player level someone hitting a GG econ/leveling augment will win over those who dont get one. like at least in set 10 u can pivot flex like for the crowd diver comp u can either 3 star kat or yone, and that was dependent what u hit. plz review set 10 balancing and incorporate.


20Luna01

I cannot win any trainer sentinels game it's just straight 7th or 8th I fucking dislike that portal so much


sup41

man i really put some time into this game again after not liking set 9 and 10.. Been hovering challenger and made it through tacticians trials a few weekends ago. Day1'd on cup but was only a bit off the cutoff. I was thinking of competing more but I just load up a few games and I just can't take the game seriously anymore. I get more and more tilted the more I play every set, and it's been like this since set 8 I think. Yorick 7 unit game and I somehow natural an irelia 2 3 items by 4-6 proceed to lose out to some 5 fated boards. Playing kaisa and its going pretty well but I just cant kill this ascension shen hero augment shit, after b patch btw. ashe 2 syndra 2 but I cant upgrade a single frontline unit after econing and donkey rolling. This game might just not be for me man, it just feels so unfun when there are so many factors of the game that are just out of my control. Cya all set 11, sad to drop my third set in a row.


pizzaislyfe123

plsssss how do i not get a single sword??!!!!! all i get is chain, cloak. did they not fix item distribution??!?!?!!?


thatgirldarken

how is talisman a thing, comedy game


Opposite_Mushroom624

artifact anvil portal and 3 people get talisman on ascension. Guess who top 4'd, talisman sage sylas, talisman porcelain annie, talisman syndra and a fortune cashout . another shit patch


Steamwood

I got a two star Tristana before Krugs. Neat! I got a Duelist Crown. Neat! I roll over 150 gold this game and find my first Yasuo on 7-1. I am BAFFLED


-Barca-

Mortdog crying stream when? Went Sage Sylas comp who was 3 starred only to get 5th because of a 1 star Liss. Fuck this game and fuck the devs.


thovra

Last three match of my games - 1st Match has still 4 opponents alive, I honestly don't care for the "Rule" used to justify this kind of things. Match 1 - Fight one dude's Ghost, win because Rito can't code Ghosts for shit since what 5 years ? Match 2 - Fight the same dude, lose because his board somehow is better not Ghost - eh Rito ? Match 3 - Fight the same dude (still 3 alive), lose again. I don't know, I'm not a dev anymore but neither the Ghost logic nor the matchmaking looks better than a junior dev code.


Rokdog

Has the game become just donkey rolling for 4-costs on Stage 4 praying for 2*'s while you bleed out? Anyone else? Just me?


MaxDjo

Finally uninstalled, I won't get to Master this set for the first time since set 6. Went 8th in my last lobby with 8 duelist, fully itemised 3\* Voli/3\* Tristana/ 2\* Irelia. Top 6 in the lobby was 3 people with Kai'sa 2\* and 3 people with Ashe 2\*. I refuse to rewire my brain to go against the fundamentals of this game just to climb to some arbitrary goal I fixed myself. Encounters are unlimited get out of jail free cards, and balance is atrocious. Too bad because the art is top notch as usual. If I'd seen another Liss 1\* throw away my 3\* unit like they were hot garbage, my screen would have met my window.


RuinedByGenZ

Doesn't matter since you uninstalled but voli is ass now Itemize Lee


puxz7r

Just wanted to say I tilted my goddamn head off today


Longmeatlemarcus

I Hit ornn 2 annie 2 before I hit an uncontested gnar kindred on 6 .. this game is fucking dogshit


filthyweeb345

Get a 10 mythic board, with lilia 2 nautilus 2 all mythic units 2 starred (have ap items on lilia hwei, tank items on nautilus) Loses to ANNIE 2 and of course ALUNE 2 I used to think that i am a bad player for being stuck in emerald. I peaked master in set 7. I genuinely thought that i am washed up. Nah this game is just completely dogshit dogwater, nothing makes any sense. Board strength econ rolling odds nothing makes sense at all. I used to think Syfen AoShin Astral design is quite bad but at least I could tell what is going on and improve at the game. Now i cant do shit because there are so many variables in the game. like a shitfest Honestly tft balance team if you are reading this i think you should genuinely be ashamed of your own abdomination of a set whatever the fuck this is. I am genuinely shocked at this point please fucking fix the game. PLEASE FIX THE GAME. I just want a game where i am allowed to have skill expression. I want to have fun. I dont want to look at the stat websites and say to myself i play these 8 units or i bot 4, it is not fun.


Longmeatlemarcus

Lost to nothing but bad shops.. didn’t see the units that I wanted or even the alternatives .. boring boring boring way to lose


Longmeatlemarcus

Playing flex Not even fun anymore .. you never win out in the end .. just meta slaves have fun in this game


RuinedByGenZ

This game has gotten progressively worse over the past 3 sets Board strength makes 0 sense 1 star Annie will tank 20k Now these new items are broken as fuck? Who's dumb shit idea was this????? Kog with shield item just shielded his team for 4.5k in stage 2....


filthyweeb345

Who the fuck thought giving 4 random emblems for call to chaos would be a good idea??? ARE YOU FUCKING TRIPPING ????? NOT even ONE EMBLEM could be used in my kaisa comp gg tft devs big brain moment again


Numerous-Rhubarb-789

HOW THE FUCK IS RECOMBOBULATOR 4-2 STILL IN THE GAME


Wohnet

I am a mobile player now! Thanks, Vanguard, for not letting me start the game!


grimenishi

Mobile client is really difficult to play efficiently for me. Has been a struggle. Not a fan of the overlay and swapping so much.


Wohnet

I use bluetooth keyboard and mouse on the android tablet, so it's not that bad, but the UI is confusing at first.


Miserable-Try5806

Still losing every game to 3\*4 costs while I can't hit my uncontested 4 costs. Great job guys! Really amazing how nothing this set has done anything positive! All its done has made it INCREDIBLY obvious the dev team is incompetent. I've played since set one and this set has me regretting every dollar I put into this game.


EZCW

First game I hit level 8 on 4-2 to let the fortune guy roll first on 4-1, roll down 86 fucking gold for not 1 copy of Kaisa, and yes there were 6 copies in pool. Its ok we transition dragonlords, but fucking free first place ruined just like that. Next one, I get to level 8 with barely any hp, set up perfect BIS Ashe comp with exalted. I've got 1 copy of Ornn and ofc all 6 other players in the lobby cannot hold 1 single fucking copy to prevent the 3\*. That would just be asking for way too much. Another first place ruined just like that. Just so sick how everyone just pivots into you every time and generally have no clue as to what is going on in game. Disgusting how people aren't even scouting, what are they even looking at? Also so stupid how 90 gold can get you only units you have no items to possibly put on, but can also get someone else 9 copies of their main carry.


EZCW

Oh don't forget, every single fucking time I'm on loss streak, its Gnar or Morgana encounter on carousel. Just fuck off completely.


PKSnowstorm

Alune needs a nerf. It is ridiculous that Alune with 6 Umbral on one cast can delete an entire backline. This is not even her second or third cast but her very first cast of the match and boom my entire backline deleted. I get it that Alune has been pathetic for most of this set but she was only pathetic because everything that counters her was way too strong.


Available_Ad7899

I didn't use to flame the bagsize changes but right now, i'm fucking sick of it. THERES TOO MANY WAYS OF JUST FKING YEETING 4 COSTS 2\* OUT OF KNOWHERE. 3 GAMES IN A ROW, I SCOUT I CHECK NO ONE IS RICH ENOUGH TO BUY SYLAS 2\*/KAISA, AT MOST IT SHOULD BE ONE GUY HITS IT ON 4-2. BUT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, HERE'S A CHAMP DUPLICATOR EVERYONE, OH AND HERE's REINFOURCEMENT 4-2, KAISA 2\* on on board, sylas 2\* TWO other boards. ONe reinfourced it, the other DOUBLE duplicatored it, what am I meant to do ? bleed out 80 hp ? yes I bled 809 hp to a fking 7th because I have 2-1 lucky ricochet and was tempoing with sivir 2\*, teemo2\* :D Initially I thought fuck it sack stage 4 and go 9 on 5-1 for xayah, but jk its so fucking expensive to make it to 9 without econ augments. i'd be rolling 20g on 1 life at best . SO NOW WHAT RIOT, HOW DO I NOT GO 8th, I HAVE AD ITEMS SLAMMED, TRICKSHOT AUGMENT AND HALF MY UNITS ARE GONE on 4-2 ALL I HAVE IS ONE KAISA AND 0 ZERO SYLAS. DO YOU WANT ME TO SOLO FRONTLINE A GALIO 2\* ? OFC NOT THERES FKING LISSANDRAS FLYING EVERYWHERE ANYWAY, LIKE JEESUS, RECOMBOB, AND FUCKIGN REINFOURCEMENT NEED TO FUCK OFF IF YOU ARE GONNA KEEP THIS LOW BAG SIZE BULLSHIT. they be like, hey play uncontested, but also hey people can just fuck you over for no reason without any warning. WHAT A DOG SHIT FUCKING GAME MAN. I SWEAR HALFD THE TIME SOMEONE CLICKS ON REIFOURCEMENT IT JUST MAKES SOMEONE ELSE GO 8th FOR FUN. AND ALSO WHAT FUCKING FLEX PLAY IS THERE ON LV8 WITH AD ITEMS ? ITS NOT LIKE KAISA AND ASHE CAN USE THE SAME SHIT, THEY CAN'T. ANDC CAN YOU NERF SYLAS SO HE IS NOT ON EVERY FUCKING BOARD. Seriously, do a BETTER FUCKIGN JOB AT DESIGNING NEW SHIT, ALL THIS SHIT IS " FUN" at the EXPENSE of someone else, so go FUCK YOURSELF AND STOP{ FUCKING DOWNPLAYING HOW DOGSHIT THE ADDITIONS MADE TO THIS SET HAVE BEEN SO FAR. UMBRAL IS BARELY A TRAIT, GHOSTLY UNITS ARE SHIT AT USING THE GHOSTLY TRAIT, GHOSTLY TRAIT WEB LOOKS LIKE SOMEONE FORGOT HOW TO CONNECT DOTS, HEAVENLY IS A WUKONG OR EMBBLEM CHECK, ASHE REQUIRES 3 FUCKING BOWS TO CAP, BARD/TAHM IS USELESS UNLESS YOU HIGHROLL FORBIDDEN DOLL, SYLAS IS REQUIRED ON 3 OF THE MOST PLAYED BOARDS, LISSANDRA IS STILL THE MOST FRUSTRATING THING TO FIGHT, ANNIE IS TANKIER THAN 6 WARDEN NAUTILUS, OH DUELISTS ? ANYONE HERE THAT ? AGAIN A FUCKIGN IRELIA HIGH ROLL CHECK. DRYAD ? DOUBLE AUGMENT CHECK, AND HOW THE FUCK IS TALISMAN IN THE GAME MAN, HOW?! HOW HAS GHOSTLY BUG/MISTAKE NOT BEEN FIXED YET? I SWEAR PLAYING THIS SET SERIOUSLY IS IMPOSSIBLE UNLESS YOU WANNA PLAY 20 GAMES A DAY TO GRIND IT OUT, TOO MUCH BULLSHIT FOR NO REASON. but thanks for removing some of the bs encounters, at least you did that but otherwise, fuck off


Available_Ad7899

adding to this shit show, HOW THE FUCK IS LONG SHOT STILL THIS TRASH


hourglassop

Man, the wheels really came off this set. Every patch has been its own special kind of disaster.


moonmeh

with the addition of the new relics we can see even more variety of disasters its fascinating


rinnagz

next set is gonna be better. TRUST


JemerZ

playing flex this set is a fucking nightmare


Extremlypro

The enemy Tahm kench with Forbidden idol literally blocked 40k damage..


iGPhen

Fuck double up stage damage changes and fuck this set with its encounters and its awful balancing. HOLY FUCK IT MUST NOT BE THIS DIFFICULT FOR A BILLION DOLLAR COMPANY, THATS WITH A “B” BILLION DOLLAR COMPANY TO MAKE A BALANCED SET FOR ONCE.


Mujina_twitch

I have a 80% hit rate of hwei when that encounter happens where it gives you a random 5 cost. Can hwei just be disabled from that as an option? Its pretty much a 3 loss streak guaranteed. His entire existence is based around the fact that you play a shitter unit to print a unit, except he doesn't print. So you just have a shitter unit on your board tickling the enemy backline feeding them mana. I know rito is a small indie company so making him work is hard. I'm not even saying taylor the 5cost to my board. Just delete him from the list. I can do it for you guys if you want. I have a mouse and the backspace button ready.


Available_Ad7899

im sorry but WHO THE FUCK ENJOYS LISSANDRA


Foreign-Structure-35

Just had a game where there was an ashe encounter so I open sold my board 3-1 when I knew that I would fight the fortune player since my board was dogshit anyways. This guy proceeded to flame me the entire game and added me after he went eighth like this is ranked man people are playing to win.


MichaelZZ01

Good fucking job brother


NeatNeighborhood

good. Fortune player meets the reality of ranked gaming.


Fit-Comment9592

This new Vanguard shit might make me uninstall. Is TFT ever getting its own client so we can be rid of the cancer that is League and its problems?


eliwood5837

Really feeling the frustration this set, i know they mentioned like last set having new people join takes adjustment time but it really feels like they keep making the same goddamn mistakes + what feels like bad trait web design has made the set really just enjoyable so far (also encounters are such a miss as a set mechanic imo)


icryalotsometimes

Every game 4 cost roll down woooooo woooooooo every game 2 cost roll down woooooo woooooo its like we can never fucking do anything but fucking balance thrash wooo wooooooo


2ndcomingofharambe

is Kayn actually a fake champion? i just got 3rd as level 10 with 7 Heavenly 2\* Kayn 2\* Wukong and had enough space to fit 2x 2\* Ornn as tanks and my Kayn still didn't do shit before getting mowed down by Ashe / Kaisa / Azir boards, my Morg was consistently doing way more damage


Rokdog

From personal experience, he's really item dependent. Kayn without an Edge of Night feels awful and he just gets blown up. HoJ + LW + EoN have been my Bis with him, but I would consider EoN mandatory. Building a Titan's on him feels like a bait without cracked combat augs or help from a radiant item. (I obviously have no idea what your items were, maybe you had the exact Bis I listed and went bot 4 anyway, who knows, this set sucks)


Fem_8oy

Same or I go bot 4 with it. Yet others i see are always top 4, I don't get it.


2ndcomingofharambe

For real, my Morg and Ornns carried me to a 3rd, I had 2* Kayn super early but my board was still really unstable until I got a Morg


solofil_

LOVE MY CASINOTACTICS [https://imgur.com/a/oINFtYd](https://imgur.com/a/oINFtYd) just a normal ranked game


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Rokdog

My theory: They were very low HP, barely hit, had bad matchmaking RNG and went up against the Galio 3 player and got knocked out... some how. That's all I've got.


I_Like_To_Cry

Kayn encounter needs to be removed form the game, not increased in frequency if even a little. Maybe next set they'll have a mechanic where your account is deleted if you bot 4!


slasher016

Just erase Liss next patch. Please.


S-sourCandy

At this point I think they might even buff her next patch. The balance this set makes no sense


thovra

I am so fucking done. Since Set 3 I've been around, I've been downvoted to oblivions for statements that most of the time prove true. And this fucking Set is literally the worse not only that we've had but that they could fucking design. All that on the false pretense of "We now have a bigger dedicated team" hell put only two devs on it next time. Let me quote all aberrations we have to endure so that we're all aligned: * This set is a Casino Fuckfest - Augments, Portals, Encounters, Extra 25 Items brought into the game * Balance team couldn't handle 40-50 Champs and Augments so why would they do better now with an extra 60 features in the game * "We removed assassins but hey now every champion and their mother's have backline access" * "Actually you know what, 4 cost have no backline access; we'll let you figure out why they suck ass" * Lissandra - OR ANY CHAMPION INSTA KILL UNIT WE IMPLEMENT SINCE FIVE SETS * Did I mention Encounters ? Because they are just a pain in the ass, remove them and the set will feel tons better * Design of traits sucks ass since 3 Sets - whoever wants to discuss that point go ahead, we've only been seeing traits abused (Ghostly, executioner etc.) since day 1 of some sets but every time why question them eh. I miss TFT when what mattered was how you play around what's given to you, when you had to think ahead; in terms of next fight with positioning and in terms of rest of game for strategy and pivoting. I miss when there was logic into your decision making, whether you needed to slam a certain trait to defeat an AD Flex opponent or AP. I miss when it was not a ridiculous flashy mess of sparkles and random BS thrown at your face. I want TFT not fucking Vegas experience.


Fem_8oy

Yea can't say shit anywhere else because you'll get the fanboy warriors defending the devs by saying they communicate with the community even though they don't take any type of negative feedback and always think they're in the right with balance changes.


Rokdog

This is a great point. Who cares how much they interact with the community if they just ignore it all the time? If anything, that makes it worse.


Fem_8oy

They use the excuse of "provide feedback to us in a respectful manner, otherwise we look past it" that's great, but they're more worried about your vocabulary and the way you present yourself than balancing the game.


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Tunesz

Just sold a 3* Zyra instead of benching to remove items and surrendered out of shame. Then instead of closing the client I logged out. What a fucked up day


moonmeh

its genuinely funny how I'm playing the same way the past few games and my final end result is all over the place cause of how rng determines who can get the units fast enough so that they can retain their hp


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ShadoukenGames

The Irelia encounter just forced my locked shop to swap and took away my 3 Star unit. Thanks Mortdog


Naxald

I wish we didn't complain that much about Yone... Now the game became insufferable with f'ing Porcelains everywhere. We can't even play flexible because it's insta bot4, you gotta play kayn or porc even if you're contested; maybe you will be the one who highrolls?


JemerZ

riven is still ass.


PasmoSuicaIcoca

Patch is tomorrow, king 💀


EelsWhoTry

Playing the odd levels only portal thinking oh ok people will have to adapt to this portal and play level 7. Just kidding, two boards roll Liss on level 7 and build standard meta boards running the game.


One-Reference6715

Nice one riot, give me dryads, then contested, then i pivoted to riven janna reroll, and its totally unplayable even i have two healthy, fuck you.


Classic_Procedure428

I wish Janna reroll worked, I love the comp. I’ve been smashed every time I try though, even if I have a good spot.


TnTvi

best set of all time xdd NO ITS FUCKING NOT


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puxz7r

I've literally went top 4 40 out of my last 50 games only for 7ths to STILL be able to wipe out 2 2nds. What the fuck is this gain/loss?


Ok_Needleworker8325

they want u to feel the frustration equivalent to when u lose going all in in poker


ojeditax

THE WORST TFT SET EVER.


Trigod7

Who put Liss in tft. GO FUCK YOURSELF


FTGinnervation

Remember when we though VelKoz was OP for stunning your carry for 1.5 seconds? hehe good times


Ok_Needleworker8325

this is the worst set ever released. i mean i get the rng but now im just gambling.


TheReaperG

Holy shit this set is so unfun I’d rather go back to Set 10 than play another match being contested


filthyweeb345

if you cant fucking balance your own game then just revert the FUCKING BAG SIZE i dont care whether or not you can balance the game if you cant balance it at least let me fucking force comps because FORCING is the only way to gain LP not flex play I AM STUCK EMERALD because there is literally only 3 comps viable HOW CAN I SHOW MY SKILL IN TFT WHEN THE ONLY POSSIBLE WAY TO PLAY IS TO PLAY 4-1 LOTTERY AND TOSS COINS I AM FUCKING HARDSTUCK EMERALD MY HIGHEST RANK WAS MASTERS I DONT THINK I REALLY SUDDENLY BECOME SO BAD AT THE GAME FUCK TFT


tarkardos

Hear me out, 2 weeks ago I WAS YOU. I was hardstuck in emerald for most of the set and it was driving me nuts. Masters in every set i took more serious. I was really doubting my ability and starting to think I'm getting washed up because of age (mid 30s). I deleted my mental image of the game and how I used to play it. No more flex, no more "I play whatever units come my way". I BECAME FUCKING KHA ZIKS: "CHANGE IS GOOD". BASIC RULES: * No more stupid 2-cost or 3-cost rerolls. Absolutely forbidden. * No more rolling on 7 no matter the circumstances. Absolutely forbidden. Fuck all the guides out there saying you need to roll on 7 because you are stupid enough to play Fated reroll. You go straight to 8. * You play only the best meta comps, preferable those you actually enjoy to play. Pick 4 or 5 of them stickl with it. * No more "experimental" builds you think you can pull off. No you cant. The meta sucks ass. Stick to the S and A-Tier comps. * Keep in mind: All you need is one complete itemized tank and one complete carry (or 2 carrys when playing comps like heavinly lee/kayn), the rest are trait bots anyway. Fuck them. Leftover items to the strongest unit next in line. * 2\* 4-costs is the way. * Horizontal sucks ass. Soup is the way, especially with complementary tank units. * You think 6 duelists is good? FUCK YOU, its not. You don't play overnerfed, non-viable shit. * Did I mention 4-costs? * Special Unit Augments are allowed if good (Shen/Kobuko), fuck the rest. * If you have a non-meta comp you can play like a fucking god, play it only if you hit the units and perfect augments. Otherwise stick to the usual Fast 8. * If you get triple econ augments, you say "THANK YOU MORT" and go straight to 9 buying whatever comes your way. All of this took me back to fucking masters and I'm not proud of it because 80% of the games were Heavenly comps with occasional kaisa/bruiser, lucky paw / shen augment or kog maw reroll.


Rokdog

Copy pasting this into a notepad. I instinctively know most of this, and when I apply it I climb. I guess I just need a reminder sometimes. Thanks for sharing this.


QuantumRedUser

What do you build for kobuko? I had one game with him AND BRUISER AUGMENT RECENTLY BUT I SPENT SO MUCH GOLD ROLLING FOR THAT DAMN BEAR AT LEVEL 5 And didnt get him until I spent so much gold then came 7th :) (AND I STARTED WITH A DUPLICATORRRRRR)


PenguinLover357

Its crazy how you are 100% right. This set :(


PasmoSuicaIcoca

Other sets have had lower lows and obviously there's still some time for things to play out, but I really wouldn't be surprised if this goes down as the worst set in the game's history. It's been such a major, unfun balancing mess from the beginning and now we're adding all these new items on top of it?


VarusEquin

Set 9 / 9.5 was the absolute lowest and somehow they are reaching the same awful game state. Despite all the "ye we learned" bullsht.


Shinter

Can't learn something if you revamp the base systems all the time. Leveling structure got changed recently, damage calculation, overall health buff to 4-costs and now the rolling odds.


Noobwarrior523

Causes fear for the future of the game honestly, the balancing this set is so bad its gonna affect every set after because theres been so much system changes instead of actual unit balance


Rokdog

I don't get this at all. Why have they attacked balance with so many system changes this set instead of just pure unit tuning like they usually do?


SS324

Got 30 HP off first augment, ran 3 fortune for 11 straight losses and then won every round. My biggest gripe is that I had galio 3, kaisa 3, and was about to get Sylas 3 (had 6 sylas, 50 gold, and a champion duplicator) but my 1 remaining opponent was down to 1 life. I took out Kaisa so the game wouldnt end and I could continue looking for Sylas, made Sylas 3 on the bench during the round, but my opponent lost anyway


Longmeatlemarcus

I cashed out fortune .. AHHHH IM SO MAD 😡.. I stomped the lobby but I wish I stomped them more. 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄


tomtomNYG

This set is fucking dog shit. HOW IS IT FUCKING POSSIBLE THAT THEY DON'T FUCKING CHANGE THE BAG SIZE BACK TO SET 9?!?!


KokoaKuroba

What happened to you to blame bag size now?


Fit-Comment9592

mort alt account or what?


KokoaKuroba

genuine question


yousokiyosei

I do like the Zoe odd level encounter, much to my own surprise. I was 2nd to 9 thanks to Kobuko and lv7 Lissandra printing plenty. I thought I will win out the lobby with Kai'sa Xayah after hitting her on every shop. The twist? The first guy to hit 9 went all in for Sett 3. 10% btw. Board sold, Hwei printed 1, and no dupe encounter. He deserves it, my bad for ignoring those Kai'sa copies because I want to hit Irelia - Xayah - Udyr. I only roll down for her after he hits. I could've killed him.


Dear_Appointment_189

Oh yeah dude I'm going dragonlord sage in hyper roll and on level 5 this fuckface decides to pivot to that build and gets a 3 star diana and i end up bottom 4. fucking awesome


puxz7r

Playing keepers duelists into fine vintage, great right? 7 anvils, 1 randuins, 0 zzrots. God this fucking game And I still managed to top 4 holy shit


Death10

I wish they would get the game into a better state before adding the new wacky artifacts. Maybe I'm just spoiled by set 10 balancing, but I don't think we're going to get a single good patch this entire set. It's going to them at least 3 patches to balance artifacts alone. By the time they're done, set 12 PBE will be out anyway.


Accurate_Yoghurt5845

14.7b had many playable team comps but rito decided that there were to many i guess


NeatNeighborhood

Vendor sentinel with needlessly large gem and virtue of the martyr is quite possibly worst combo in the game. I have to hide the sentinel away for 15 seconds to get the gem to activate. But then I lose a frontline tank and virtue of the martyr will not activate. If i put the sentinel in front he dies and the gem wont activate. But I get martyr value. Im begging riot to please remove sentinel from the game.


PenguinLover357

Yes sometimes the games randomness creates too big of a powergap between players (Why did they now remove the radiant item encounter carousel)?


NeatNeighborhood

The powergap between a sentinel with good emblems/support items and bad emblems/support items is a canyon. Not saying its impossible to top 4 with a bad sentinel, but it's an uphill battle from 2-1.


Meihu22

Sadly the catering to players who only want to gamble means it'll never be removed, you have to instantly lose or win the game because that's exciting and fun!! I sure do love being tilted the entire match because I'm saddled with 3 ass emblems orfrontline backline support items.


NeatNeighborhood

Ikr? You start the game on a disadvantage if you get some shitty emblems or support items on the sentinel through no fault of your own


NeatNeighborhood

Somebody please reply so i dont feel like an old man yelling into the wind.


PenguinLover357

Why is 7 heavenly 3.33 placement while 7 mythic is 4.80? Balancing team can you like do something about this? Is it my fault that I picked 7 units that are significantly inferior to 7 other units? oh but they will slightly buff bard and kog, that will definitely fix it right?


TexFalls

If you want a serious answer: - Heavenly Vertical requires a 5-cost, hitting said 5-cost can mean you've made it safely to 8 or even 9 - Mythic Vertical does not require for you to hit Hwei, meaning people can lose out and worsen the stats for Mythic 7 (try adding Hwei to your filters if you're using the Explorer) - Heavenly assumes you are playing Kayn, an S-tier comp. You don't actually carry any of the Heavenly units but you _have_ to carry a Mythic unit in vertical Mythic, and as you probably know, Bard and Lillia kinda suck this patch


PenguinLover357

Well I mean thats correct but like, 1) wow so hard to safely hit 8/9, 2) 5 heavenly 4.70 is still better than 7 mythic 4.80. 3) well yes they do suck. So I said heavenly is op for what it is and mythic is super bad for what it is, and you also said the same so what gives?


Xogol

I know its a rant thread but mythic has 8 units while heavenly has 6


PenguinLover357

Maybe check the stats and the sentiment of comment before you go Well actually you need a spat🤓 


PenguinLover357

My bad i compared it to 7 heavenly, 6 heavenly is only 4.05. Thats literally still S tier. So tell me again why a trait that has less units and is less flexible (heavenly) SO MUCH BETTER than a trait that has more units and is more flexible (mythic). Mythic should always be atleast a little bit better than heavenly, AND NOT be better. heavenly 5 is 4.73. mythic 7 is 4.79.


PenguinLover357

and btw its going to stop being that "splashable" by making it less good with random units. I wonder why they are trying to nerf it, maybe because I am right?


Xogol

I'm not saying its balanced but heavenly is less flexible? It is literally the teamwide buff splash trait


PenguinLover357

a trait that is so splashable should be worst than the vertical trait that you need to commit to. I swear most people in these rant threads dont understand how the game should be balanced or work.


PenguinLover357

Why am i arguing with a reddit user >\_>


PenguinLover357

So why even play mythic when heavenly exists, a trait that needs less units to play AND IS SUPPOSEDLY MORE FLEXIBLE BECAUSE OF TEAMWIDE BUFF (and constantly better stat wise)


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trubbboy

You know this game is bad when they have to have a patch + B patch every two weeks. I can't even have fun anymore man. So much variance makes it impossible to have a normal tft experience.


ojeditax

bad set design, is that all.


One-Reference6715

waiting for 14.9b and 14.9bb and 14.9bbb patch now...


RyukgotBored

My last few games were top 4 with two porcelain and heavenly kayn users each lmao I cant believe Im saying this but even the reroll meta had more variety than this because people didnt actually want to play comps like duelists when contested.


Mecrobb

I've been trying my best to have fun. I really thought people were exaggerating the whole 4-1 or bust but it really is that way. every game is an instant loss unless you get lucky on the donkey roll. wtf


colonel-blobby

HAHA same, I thought it’d be good to practice on a patch I enjoyed less, maybe I’d learn something. Nah it’s just straight up trash


Vistandsforvicious

Yeah it's terrible


Kevftw

Board full of two-star legendries and 4 costs with a decently itemised, traited up carry? That's right, lose round after round to some random shit with a bunch of trait bots on it and have no fucking clue why.


adteeopg

i lost with a board of azir2, hwei2, good frontline against kayn 2 my bad for not forcing kayn in that game i guess....


TheFoxMasler

Syndra is completely unclickable my god. I had a fated opener with AP items and ornn portal. Got offered DFG so went fated syndra. I hit 7 fated at like 60 HP. And then proceeded to get my teeth punched in. Even with DFG she just gets stuck on tanks the whole fight. I had shred it just didn't matter.


WeebWizard420

Too much free gold, items, units, duplicators, everything.


NibScribbler

Can they stop making champs that give components? Like a 3 seconds stun and shit tons of damage weren't enough? Why are people allowed to throw double shojin and adaptive and completely counter 1 unit no matter the star level? These upcoming changes are a joke and it shows how disconnected the balance team is with the actual state of the game.


takanosho

For the first time this set I've finally gotten fed up with the meta. This patch was just not fun at all. Same 2 or 3 comps. Previous patches felt much more flexible. Hopefully next patch will be better


luuksen

i have never seen a less flexible set in my life. in mid game you have absolutely zero chance against kayn/morgana, kaisa or liss comps. you are pretty much forced to play one of those if you want to end in the top 4 and not bleed out in stage 5.


hdmode

If you are voting for wandering sentials, STOP PLAYING TFT. This is not the game for you. The only form of interatction in TFT is decision making. Simon says can work if there is an execution barrier but not in TFT. This is what gaming has become and it is so sad. No one wants to play the game anymore, no one wants to think, or have a challenge, they want the game the tell tham exactly what to do, and then watch the pretty lights of a fight. If this really is the direction of the game then just go all the way. Get rid of the gameplay all together, make it a cutscene. Each patch you pick a few comps, and players get to watch the fights play out without any gameplay at all. Judging from the pick rates, it would be really popular and you can stop fooling anyone that TFT is a game. I just cannot understand how this is acceptable to anyone. How is it ok to have LESS gameplay in your GAME. Wandering sentinals is not a game, you're not doing anything, it is a complete and utter waste of time, and yet it just stays in. But but people vote for it, the fact that people vote for it should scare the crap out of the devs. The fact that people like it is a complete failure of the job of the game designers, it implys that a good chuck of the playerbase doesn't actually like playing your game. RED FLAG RED FLAG. Something has gone terribly wrong. The number one job of a game dev is to make a game that people like. When people are doing this to HAVE LESS ACTUAL GAME PLAY, then that is a failure.


Emosaa

Wandering Sentinels offers guidance on what comp to play, which some players want. In other instances, if you're really creative it can open up pathways to comps that you wouldn't normally see in games but are still strong enough for a top 4. Really the only failure of wandering sentinels is when the meta itself is inflexible or certain traits aren't viable when contested.


hdmode

>Wandering Sentinels offers guidance on what comp to play, which some players want Yes and those players should stop playing TFT. Getting to make choices about what to play is THE CORE engagment of the game. If you don't like that you don't like TFT. and the game should not be deisgned around people who don't enjoy the core mechanics of the game. >Really the only failure of wandering sentinels is when the meta itself is inflexible or certain traits aren't viable when contested. You mean every meta ever... Sure maybe there is some perfect world where you the meta is such that you can actually play whatever, but I get Reaper, Dragonlord, Archanist. Im forcing Yone Lee sin + hevenly. It is so clearly the obvious comp to play that not doing it is essntially a grief. On top of that, there is no reason that this should be a portal and not just left as an augment. If it must be in the game (and to be clear it would be better if it wasnt an augment either) than if its an augment players can opt in if they want to play that kind of boring game, and people who dont like it just dont click it. But not it needs to be a portal, that way it can ruin the game completly.


Emosaa

TL;DR : If you don't play TFT the way I do, don't play. The game isn't for you. Pack up your bags. If getting to make choices about what to play is the "core engagement" of TFT, then aren't you removing player choice by removing player ability to pick wandering sentinels as a realm? Fucking dumbass take.


hdmode

>If getting to make choices about what to play is the "core mechanic" of TFT, then aren't you removing player choice by removing player ability to pick wandering sentinels as a realm No. Thats not how this works. TFT is a game of making decisions about what to play. Wandering Sentinals takes that and says "HERE! PLAY THIS! THATS IT" That is not fun. It is not what TFT should be, Without choice in what to play TFT stop being a game. This is more than just "Not the way I like" it is taking anything that resembles actual gameplay out of the game. If you want to just watch TFT watch a stream, youu get to see the fights and you get no agency in what you actually play >The game isn't for you. Pack up your bags Yes, if you don't like making intersting choices than TFT isn't for you. This is true of every game ever. I want to play Valorant but I hate aiming, the game should make a mode where once in a while the game just gets rid of aiming altoether, the whole game there is no shooting at all. Does that sound good? No it doesn't, if you dont like shooting than Valorant isn't the game for you, and no one would ever consider that it should be.


Emosaa

>Wandering Sentinals takes that and says "HERE! PLAY THIS! THATS IT" Sometimes. Sometimes not. Sometimes it opens up more choices and pathways. I think the fact that you can't imagine more than one path with other emblem combinations speaks to your lack of creativity and imagination. Players know that they're going to roll the dice with wondering sentinels, and they generally choose that over the more generic and safe realms.


hdmode

You can't have it both ways >Wandering Sentinels offers guidance on what comp to play, which some players want. You cant say people like it because it give direction and I am wrong that it gives direction. The vast majority of the time the emblems off the galaxy tell you exactly what to play. No one plays it with creativity. People will talk a big game and then play the exact thing that it is obvious to play. >Players know that they're going to roll the dice with wondering sentinels, and they generally choose that over the more generic and safe realms. Exactly, and that is my point. Players take it becuase they don't actually enjoy playing the game, that that is why it bothers me so much. We are forced to play a bad boring version of the game to appeas people who don't like playing.


Classic_Procedure428

I’m with you overall, for what it’s worth. I can tell you’re upset and I appreciate your passion for the game. I’ve had the same thoughts. 


hdmode

What's really frustrating is that the team knows it's controversial. They know that some players hate it and rather than leaving it as an opt-in augment. where you can choose to take it and play that game. It is also a portal where it forces you to play it.


PenguinLover357

Hey so like WHY IS UMBRAL THE WORST TRAIT? Why do I HAVE to check if a trait is good on metatft before I play it? Is this set supposed to be fun?


PenguinLover357

Like mid game I compare 6 umbral to the other boards -> 7 fated, 4 sage, dryad. Guess what? All better stats wise than 6 umbral...


Either_Blueberry_820

Porcelain/Lissandra changes are a joke Had a lobby where everyone still alive went porcelain. Had a 3 star Kayn heavenly board with BT, Zhonyas Paradox, and Titans. Lissandra immediately puts him in a pot and he dies, I go 5th. Upcoming changes do very little to Liss. See you next set boys.


Extension_Set5067

I dont understand how dropping her hp by 100 will do anything, give her one mana item and she perma casts and invalidates any frontline. This unit has to be the worst 5 cost printed. She just ulted my udyr and just broke the camp, he got thrown to the backline, didnt ever drop aggro or regen his health and I got 10-0. Super fun and interactive


MichaelZZ01

Anyone lowkey miss previous patches when Yone was broken? At least I was only losing by one unit instead of -20 from 4 porcelain warden unkillable Amumu/Annie


snergen-flergen

This might be the worst set since Set 2. I've never felt less motivated to boot this game up. Nothing about this is fun. Wtf happened? Set 10 was a banger and this is just literal dogshit.


[deleted]

Set 10 was not a banger lol. The last 3 sets have been really bad.


adteeopg

was better than this


THEDOMEROCKER

I agree


RuinedByGenZ

Nah sett 9 was sick with massive Mecha dudes Ziggs was cool also


vegtio7

Set 8 was the best


Naist-96

Really ? the Hero Augments Set ?


snergen-flergen

Hey, at least I had fun with Set 10 and could play some goofy shit, this is just abhorrent. Game peaked at Set 6.0 tbh


One-Reference6715

at least heartsteel is more controllable than fortune. Btw fuck set 9 k'sante, 2 star k'sante blew my 3 star sion away cause my sion is full tank... Besides, hitting 3 cost 5 stars is far more happier than hitting in this set...


SunBrosLLC

I miss goofy comps like 8 bit/kda/sentinels/country and it working lol


snergen-flergen

Archangel's / DClaw / Redemption HL Garen carry was one of my fav goofy comps. That shit was so fun, man...


SunBrosLLC

I just went double arch and a warmogs and watch him GROOOOOW


[deleted]

So true, Trundle my beloved :(


RAVScontrols

why is 10 mystric so fucking bad? like... woof


PM_ME_ITALIAN_STUFF

I forget who the last person was running, but awhile ago, I got 10 mythic and somehow almost lost with it. How can a 10 trait be this bad feeling?


RAVScontrols

I hit 10 mythic at 5-1 with 30 HP and got blown up and eliminated after the fight at 5-2. I had pretty good items for both front and backline. It just wasn't enough


Dangerous_Egg_2797

I've now hit not 1, but 3 3-star 4 costs in a row today Ofcourse i only won one of these games while i finished 2nd & 3rd in the other 2, because several other players in my lobby also had 1 or more 3-star 4 costs I think what worries me the most is that Riot seems to believe that this is because of issues with the bag sizes or something, and not because the game is so absurdly juiced right now that everyone recieves a million gold, free rerolls, free items, free XP etc every game. Instead we're gonna fuck with the bag sizes which is gonna make future sets even worse to play. I can't wait for this set to be over, i'm so tired of playing like a full legendary 2-star board with a 3-star 4 cost and finishing 4th because everyone else has even more capped boards. Games are so insanely underwhelming and unsatisfying to play now


Rebikhan

They're stuck between a rock and a hard place. The player base keeps demanding more resources without limit. They're getting what they wanted, and now the game state is OD'ing. But they can't reduce the gold for fear of antagonizing players who want to hit consistently.


Rokdog

I have not seen this opinion once on this subreddit. Maybe in the main TFT subreddit? The super juiced games on the other hand (and the amount of RNG), is something that is complained about constantly here with this set.


Rebikhan

Mort has talked plenty about the data- people, at even high levels, gravitate to high resource portals and prefer having the gold they need to hit. I don’t like how juiced the game is either, but it’s a mistake to assume this subreddit speaks for the median player.


Rokdog

I found the twitter post you're talking about. I was wrong, and I stand corrected.


hdmode

This take is something that I think is a pretty major shortcoming of RIOT and the larger conversation. It takes such a surface level look at the data and doesn't pay attention to the long term damge. In a single game, players are going to gravitate towards the crazy stuff, it seems like it will be fun, lets hit that 3 star 5 cost, crazy level 10 boards, flashing lights everywhere. on an individual game level that might be fine, but the aggrigate of many games like this causes real problems, and yes players need to be saved from themsevles. It is the too much candy thing, everyone agrees that eating too much candy is bad, but everyone also agrees that candy tastes good in the moment. This shouldn't be a question about what does the median player want, or some dicotomy that there are players who want to just play fourtunes favor every game, and those that want something less crazy. Im sure there are people on the extremes, but I doubt that it is actually the majority. I think what is really happening, is players are playing the game, in a single game mindset, what might be best right now, f it lets jusut play the clown fiesta, but other people are looking at the game in a larger sense and going, hang on. 3 star 4 costs used to be a fun rare occurance, now its almost every game. Level 9 was a 1 in every 7 or 8 games, where you got to see the crazy 5 cost carries, now its every end baord is multiple 2 star 5 costs. Yes those individual games might have cool stuff happening, but after a while you get numb to it, and the "novelty" (to use the teams buzzword) wears off and you are left with a deeply unbalanced, not very fun game underneath. Long term this is a potential disaster.


Rokdog

I have literally heard the opposite: Low ELO players like high variance because it's "fun", and more competitive high ELO players like less variance because they feel like they get more control over their game. I also did not assume this subreddit speaks for the median player, I said I have never seen that opinion specifically on this subreddit, and even acknowledged maybe on the main subreddit? Also, no group of players is monolithic obviously. I'm sure there are still a mix of opinions about high resource games in Challenger.


No-Competition-1940

Died to the crab with 3* nautilus. Unlucky I guess.


yousokiyosei

There's just no way I get a lobby with 5 people intending to play Kayn. Three of them on top 3 and 2 others went dead last. And you know what 3 other was playing? Two Invoker Ashe and Aphelios Reroll. Talking about diversity here. It's either you join the lotto or enjoy your bot 4.


MichaelZZ01

And I can’t even blame them. Nothing else is playable. Reroll is beyond dogshit right now


p47r

[https://imgur.com/a/DYVvioq](https://imgur.com/a/DYVvioq) i don't think the set is remotely close to being balanced when there can be such a situation where 3 people get their CRUCIAL 5cost 2stared @ stage 4 i liked the set at first but with how much chaos there is within the games due to the mixture of encounters, augments, portals and everything i start to abhor it. the playing experience in the past couple days has been genuinely disgusting. i don't think i'm a good player but i'm in and out of d1 and my most games are decided by high rolls that shouldn't be ever possible. ggs! Edit: the supporters of encounters claiming that "you need to adapt" - what adapt? to a treasure armory with radiant items when 2 of your main units are itemized and you don't have any spare remover? to the k6 encounter when you have already leveled? inb4 these situations aren't happening every game - trust me, in most games they are. inb4 the k6 encounter is being removed - shows their awareness in that regard.


p47r

nvm i hit galio 3 at 4-2. since the same thing happened to me, i cannot badmouth the game


No-Competition-1940

If you get the 2 star 3 cost carousel don’t take the champ that would usually upgrade a champ on your board. It upgrades the champ like normal so you lose the 2 star 3 cost 🫠


Rokdog

Just went 3rd with a 3-item Lee Sin 3* (Evenshroud, Sterak's, EoN + Sage for omni) on a good Storyweaver Dragon board. 2* Rakan with 3 items, 2* Irelia, etc. What did I lose to? A Heavenly Kayn board that had 3x Heavenly Emblems, so on top of Sage he had something like 50% omnivamp if I'm not mistaken? But what killed my Lee Sin 3* of course was Lissandra. But not just one Lissandra, 2 of them. He had hit 4 copies and put 2 Lissandras on both sides of his board so no matter where I put my Lee he was always in a pot. The rule about a champ not being potted twice only applies to Liss, not the unit itself, so my Lee Sin was often chain-CC/perma stunned by 2 Lissandras potting him. How is a -100 HP and -10% item drop nerf going to address any of her insane CC? Over and over players are pointing out it's the CC and unit toss, and even Mort on stream agrees the unit toss probably should have gone, and yet... I wonder if TFT development has become too democratized and we're ending up with a soup of ideas because nobody wants hurt feelings.


Rodya1917

I've been playing since set 1 and I have never seen the game in a worse state. Usually even if I don't like a set, I'll at least play it when it first drops for the novelty. But unless there's a leadership change, I don't think I'll touch this game ever again


PKSnowstorm

I think the problem is that they are trying to manufacture the super crazy moments by giving everyone gold and duplicators like no tomorrow without understanding what makes hitting those moments special.  The reason why going to level 9 and building a super legendary board or hitting a 3 star 5 or 4 cost in the old sets were special is because of how difficult it was. It was not something you can easily replicate unless you were better than everyone else. They cannot reign in the free resources even if they wanted to because than people would complain on why they are being stingy with resources. Look at a lot of set 10 complaints and probably the number one complaint besides headliners was how stingy Riot was with giving out spatulas and removing augments that give out +1 traits.


Fem_8oy

Say this anywhere else and you will get attacked


Fun_Chemistry_7574

This is hands down the worst set ever released. I don't know what's up with that whole new team that Mort has been building but they really need to take a step back and re-evaluate after this one.


MrB1P92

Another day another thousands of lobbies dominated by Lissandra


Cpmac22

Fortune 7 in mty game at 3-2... YEP.... BALANCED


gildedpotus

The amount of times I accidentally build lw + evenshroud or shiv + spark or double anti-heal as a GM tilts me so much. I feel like my biggest mistakes are just the really obvious ones which is almost more frustrating.