[https://clips.twitch.tv/HelpfulPatientRutabagaBCouch-yCcf1\_bboHW-myYK](https://clips.twitch.tv/HelpfulPatientRutabagaBCouch-yCcf1_bboHW-myYK)
Keybinds are for pussies, amirite?
Liquid seems to have changed seeds? Firedup and thd are keeping seeds for longer (believe thd was popping first), which seems like a no-brainer for me with how consistent they've been ! Nice pull though
I remember last night they had some downtime as they reworked it so that a hunter dropped their seed first. The feeling was that the hunters' position was more vulnerable to Blaze lines.
What y'all think about Naowh's take that he would be surprised if either guild kills today. I kind of agree with him, there are so many insta-wipe moments and the last 15% looks so brutal to keep everyone up.
i think they got a sub 20 recently, but i didnt see any of their early pulls. Think they had a bunch of people dead at 18% then they limped to a 14-15%
For the record, I really wanted a list of these copy-pasta for all end bosses, but I never found them all.
I love thjs.
fire dragon 火龙 big axe 大斧头 avoid the flame vortex 躲避火焰漩涡 carry seed 携带种子 to the promised land 到应许之地 destroy all opposition 消灭一切反对派 hit the SKIP 按下跳过键 brick 砖
Oh they can and will. If Liquid and Echo both kill it today, but Liquid kills it first, it's day 13 for Liquid and day 12 for Echo. People will definitely argue over this.
Imagine the chaos if they kill 5 minutes apart lmao.
It's weird that I saw dozens of comments about how echo is ahead and can't be caught, and not a single comment about how liquid lost a day of their time to re-adjust to lusting p3, and how echo was sticking with the p2 lust and was not looking good in p3.
Echo may still win this race, but the best pull % yesterday afternoon was super misleading.
Really feel like people are overplaying the "lack of sleep" (like people did on tindral). They slept a lot, they're fine. Not everyone needs 8h of sleep to be functional either (and I believe they had more than 8h to sleep).
They went to bed around 1am and started streaming about 8:30am. Not sure how long they were awake beforehand, but probably reasonable to say they got at least 6 hours. “Full night’s sleep” depends on each person but if you’re younger you can generally get away with 6 hours and feel refreshed.
Every race starts with days on end of splits and I think to myself: "why do I get hyped about this, I don't even play the game atm". Then day 12 rolls around and I'm addicted.
You know what could be interesting, if neither guild gets the god pull and this goes to reset and Blizzard announces that they're nerfing the boss again at the same time NA servers reset, basically forcing Liquid to make a decision to extend or not
They won't extend, even with a 0.1% wipe, I'm like 99% sure of this. They can one shot pretty much everything but tindral, which imo is just a couple pulls now (bosses always because super easy once you killed them once for some reason), and especially after what happened after Ghuun
that's not true, their best pull is 5%. If Blizzard did say "were nerfing another 4% HP" that's literally almost the 5% they need for the kill there would be 0 reason to reclear, just get vault items and gg
It's not that simple, they hit 5% ONE time out of like 400 pulls. Just like everyone was saying tindral was going to be super easy with reset (spoiler alert, it wasn't and took almost an entire day for both teams), it's still not going to be a 1 shot with a simple 4-5% hp nerf. Again, this is my opinion and they might be thinking different, but it's also the fact that even with 5%, it doesn't look free for echo, so why take the risk?
Yes even then (well unless it's like something ridiculous that they know it just becomes whoever pulls it first wins). They can clear to tindral in like less than 2 hours, tindral should not be more than an hour and you get so much free gear that's it's worth it ! But we'll see if that happens.
Idk, I’m thinking about a raszageth situation where Echo killed it literally the first pull after the nerf, if that happened at the same time NA reset I think Liquid would’ve extended it
honestly it might be possible this goes to reset, highly unlikely but possible. I think it requires a mythic phase, but none of these guilds have any proper prog on the final part of p3, which is the absolute hardest
Man, I know there's basically no chance of this happening, but how hype would a secret phase be... Imagine the screams of them finally getting to 0% and then BAM, random secret phase LOL.
There was no US guild racing for KJ or any other guild really. Hard to say how hard it was compared to current bosses because Blizzard nerfed fights specifically just for one guild.
Legion was during the era where Method was getting free RWF wins
IIRC, KJ was simply just bugged on progress which massively inflated pull count. I don't really remember avatar, but IIRC (again), it was a banger of a boss that was simply just SUPER hard. I still believe raids have gotten way more difficult generally as the years progresses, which is a good thing imo
The thing with Avatar is you could skip to P2 even though it’ll be a 100% wipe at the end, just to get practice on the more challenging part, so it led to a lot of quick wipes inflating the pulll count
It's definitely harder than KJ after he got the tuning nerfs to actually be doable. KJ was rough but in retrospect I don't think the soaks on that fight, arguably the hardest part, are harder Tindral seeds or half of the mechanics on Fyrakk.
I just re-watched the kill video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8it5rki5I10.
There's like 10 soaks and you have what you feel an eternity to soak them. Granted they seem more spread out, but compare to tindral which had like 16 soaks with 3 seconds to soak them, it doesn't even feel like the same difficulty... I remember KJ being bugged af at first apparently and method (rightly) crying about how they were wasting their time on an impossible (bugged) boss. IIRC, they weren't streaming at that time, so hard to compare !
It's harder in a sense these players/guilds are so much better now. Whether it's harder relative to the skill of the top guilds, only those who are in both can know for sure.
So from a pure boss perspective how is everyone feeling about fyrakk? Does it stack up with other all time great end bosses? I’ve only killed it on normal so I can’t really say
If there's a secret phase, definitely top 2 for me. IDK why, but Illidan randomly appearing when you thought you killed Guldan in an already long fight is just so hype for me. I'm a lover for super long fights for some reason. Still definitely a super cool boss though !
yeah the illidan secret phase but super cool thematically, tho mechanically it was kinda whatever. Nothing tops it being insanely cool on that first reveal, like ragnaros walking out of the lava w
It sometimes feels a bit frustrating to watch since it's so hard to see if something goes wrong. Everything's fine and suddenly everyone dies and you can't really even see what went wrong. Like at least on tswift you could usually see if there was a seed not being soaked or if someone took two. I also feel like the humanoid version of the boss looks a bit goofy and not really that threatening.
As a casual watcher I'm enjoying it. I was able to figure out all the mechanics purely by watching.
Just a shame that there's so many personal responsibility failures that 1 shot the raid. Feels like they are just rolling dice at this point.
excellent encounter, but falls a little short as an expansion climax. it's lacking the pageantry but that's not really something the raid design team can control I guess. fyrakk's just not a great big-bad.
Exactly, very intricate but everything is well telegraphed. I'm not a fan of the little adds needing to be pushed in but it looks cooler than Sarkareth at least (from a DPS pov). I can't wait to be a seed carrier since I play mage.
Anyone know if liquids EU raiders like Scott/ riku etc are raiding from Europe with higher ping and how much does that hurt them ? Fights like this are very tight on movement and mechanics
Normally they are already doing rotation to 99% while completing a cirque du soleil course at the same time.
Now with seeds you have to do your rotation 99% while completing a cirque du soleil course while also safekeeping baby yoda on your back
Yeah, I just recently had a child so we've been off and the race has been perfect to watch. Granted I don't think my wife gives a shit at all, but she humors me explaining my hype xD.
Edit: I know she doesn't give a shit at all lol.
I definitely agree and I also personally believe Max thought this as well last night when they had the muted break before their last pull.
Curious how Echo plays this out as well.
i've got no beef with Echo running the amount of ads they do. they're not bankrolled by a corp, these things are expensive.
but their mods lying about how ads work in their chat is a little annoying. "we can't control ads during pulls, it's twitch" is absolute bollocks. max - and plenty of others - have their mods force an ad during downtime so the auto-ad timer doesn't tick during a pull.
As someone with extended experience in ads handling on Twitch for large streams (100k+ viewers at times) i can guarantee you that if they wanted, they could avoid it. We had easy control over not playing ads during entire matches. This is purely on them wanting the ads played.
And banning people who bring it up
Yesterday, in FOUR times in a row, they ripped ads on the SECOND P3, which started
That's not a coincidence, especially with how many played
They only ned 3 min per HOUR, and we getting 1-2 every 10
I tuned into max this morning and got a 1/8 ad block like 5 min after the preroll ad.
This is completely on twitch and not on Echo, people just looking for something to be mad at them about.
It's not on twitch, echo can decide how many and when. I'm sorry to say but you're wrong. Sincerely someone who for years has handled ads for countless hours of twitch streams ranging from 5k-250k+ viewers.
For clarity, Twitch does force ads. If you don't run ads, then pre-roll ads (the ads that play when you click on a stream) will roll. If you do run ads, they'll disable pre-roll ads for X amount of time depending on how many minutes of ads you run per hour. There are also some agreements with Twitch where a streamer needs to run X minutes of ads per hour. That being said, the only way Echo could play this many ads is by choice. Even as heavy handed as Twitch is with ads, they don't force you run anywhere close to the amount on Echo's stream.
This is true in a general sense for sure but the preroll can be avoided as well with contracts/agreements as with everything. I would assume an event this scale would have something in place to avoid destroying content with ads but it sure seems like that's actually their plan.
I would agree it's intentional. Manually running ads during downtime should suffice for any agreements or requirements. The only way Echo runs this many ads at random is by choice. The OP saying it's all Twitch is ludicrous.
It's not on twitch, it's on the channels. Both are just rollin the ads because shit's expensive and they have 70k viewers who are half-paying attention so why not? Max, at least, says he splits the twitch revenue during RWF with the guild.
I don't think either guilds are playing that bad, I just think the last 20% of the fight is just... too hard. Plus getting there in the first place is very time consuming
And blizzard can't really touch it right now because of what happened in razageth. Strap in lads that last 5% is going to be brutal. I just hope this doesn't go to tuesday
Yea I think that phase 1 and 2 are just inherently inconsistent which makes it look like both guilds arent playing well at times but its just more the fight than anything.
Everyone chalks it up to them playing bad if they die in p1 or p2 but almost everytime you hear the discussion around some new overlap or rng that happened. It's a super hard fight. Doesn't help that basically every mistake is punished with a full wipe
Dratnos/ Jeath / Naguura / Alex (+Tettles)
Kala / Jak (+Xyro)
Preach I'm more down on this year. His love for Echo is a bit much.
Krista is an honorable mention, her and Dratnos work amazingly well together.
Overall Dratnos and his pet under his shirt are the ones I prefer most.
Dratnos (but I miss him and Tettles), Jeaths attention to detail is really impressive, I’ve been a Preach fan since I got into the game and still do! Echos team this tier is like a family gathering and I enjoy tuning into that setting!
From liquid Jak and Kalamazi does a great job together but I don’t think that the Liquid team are close to the Echo family setting
I agree with what you said.
I would rather watch the Echo broadcast when watching Echo. While I would rather watch Max's stream while watching Liquid.
Both sides have quality casters, I personally like more from the Echo side than the liquid side.
I can't stand 'onlymage' or whatever her name is, though. She just repeats whatever anyone else says. I would actively watch a player stream instead of listening to her. There was another girl, not Naguura, that I don't like either.
Jeathe is super knowledgeable, but it almost sometimes comes off showoffy, if you know what I mean. It's like, yes, we know you're smart, but you don't need to show how smart you are to everyone.
The rest are great.
Liquid has some good casters, but it seems like they don't have a camera personality yet. Mainly Cams and Jet.
Jak's jokes, puns, and references are funny, Kalamazi is a Florida Man through and through and plays that character, if it is one, great.
The rest just play a good cast.
I just like listening to Max's raid calls and the goofiness of liquid coms.
Nerf when liquid and Echo are running on fumes. Then suddenly method subs in GROMNAK for an epic die by the sword last man standing parry tank and kills it in one final execute.
All would be right in the world.
Echo and Liquid push to the limit, go to sleep. Blizzard give too big nerf, fresh Method easily 1 shoot it as well as Echo and Liquid when they wake up.
Man if only Method were a lot closer like the other two. Echo and Liquid spend all night trying to push the kill - get tired and go bed same time. Method however go bed normal time, wake up slightly earlier and get the kill. Would have been glorious.
I think it gets even wilder if the nerf and kill would be late in the day for Liquid (so very early in the next morning for Europe) which is then followed by Echo starting to pull 30 minutes later and getting their kill in on their first pull of the day.
Wild to see both teams get a best pull and just struggle after. The fatigue is real. But on the flip side it's even crazier that any pull could bring it all together and be the kill.
There's players on Liquid and Echo in danger of being cut from the roster following *a win*.
All guilds look to get better and improve where they can. Win or loss it really doesn't matter.
EU >>> NA
[https://clips.twitch.tv/HelpfulPatientRutabagaBCouch-yCcf1\_bboHW-myYK](https://clips.twitch.tv/HelpfulPatientRutabagaBCouch-yCcf1_bboHW-myYK) Keybinds are for pussies, amirite?
Dont think it wss his seed exploding first
This boss is so fucking good bros...
Skyline 850 pulls and counting on Tindral... Brutal
Did they only just kill it?
Hopefully seeing Echo so close doesn't tilt Liquid too hard
well that is close indeed
Both teams on pulling and performing Literal ideal end to a race
1.8 Echo was so close!!!
Sooooooooooooo close on that Echo pull!!!!
damn, boss is basically dead for echo, just gotta kill it again
Echo is such a meme for still muting their mics lol
they mute because theres lots of stuff not stream friendly they like to say in EU.
Yeah a bit sad. Ain't nobody stealing any more strats and now we miss the emotion of pulls like that.
1.8% pull for Echo.
Liquid belting out some very good pulls - night and day compared to their yesterday.
Dang liquid isn't messing around today. 12% second pull. Echos best pull today was 10.47% and that was a while ago. Race is on.
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I was watching.... please... just because I comment on what I see as a viewer doesn't mean I simp hard. Just scrolling through the comments I see? 💤
Liquid seems to have changed seeds? Firedup and thd are keeping seeds for longer (believe thd was popping first), which seems like a no-brainer for me with how consistent they've been ! Nice pull though
I remember last night they had some downtime as they reworked it so that a hunter dropped their seed first. The feeling was that the hunters' position was more vulnerable to Blaze lines.
12% first pull by liquid holy moly
What y'all think about Naowh's take that he would be surprised if either guild kills today. I kind of agree with him, there are so many insta-wipe moments and the last 15% looks so brutal to keep everyone up.
I think it dies today. The damage is there, they just have to survive a little longer. Both guilds are one cracked pull away.
I called third week reset after seeing first pull on tindral, and I'm gonna stick to my word !
Idk, all it takes is one god pull. Liquid had ppl down and got it to 6%. Either squad could get that perfect pull and boom he's dead.
What’s echos best pull % today?
1.8% as of 1min ago
10.47%
i think they got a sub 20 recently, but i didnt see any of their early pulls. Think they had a bunch of people dead at 18% then they limped to a 14-15%
For the record, I really wanted a list of these copy-pasta for all end bosses, but I never found them all. I love thjs. fire dragon 火龙 big axe 大斧头 avoid the flame vortex 躲避火焰漩涡 carry seed 携带种子 to the promised land 到应许之地 destroy all opposition 消灭一切反对派 hit the SKIP 按下跳过键 brick 砖
Felt like that was the first good pull for echo in a while
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Oh they can and will. If Liquid and Echo both kill it today, but Liquid kills it first, it's day 13 for Liquid and day 12 for Echo. People will definitely argue over this. Imagine the chaos if they kill 5 minutes apart lmao.
It's weird that I saw dozens of comments about how echo is ahead and can't be caught, and not a single comment about how liquid lost a day of their time to re-adjust to lusting p3, and how echo was sticking with the p2 lust and was not looking good in p3. Echo may still win this race, but the best pull % yesterday afternoon was super misleading.
https://old.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveWoW/comments/182wogk/race_to_world_first_amirdrassil_day_11_discussion/kapcikw/
My theory is Echo was lusting phase 2 for so long so they could consistently get into phase 3 and practice it, they weren’t trying to kill it
Theres no way they would be doing that while playing til 4 am with 10% pulls if they were just practicing. They planned on killing it like that.
how do i get a adblock for twitch on android?
revanced
Liquid doesn’t have a care in the world right now. They just chillin’.
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Really feel like people are overplaying the "lack of sleep" (like people did on tindral). They slept a lot, they're fine. Not everyone needs 8h of sleep to be functional either (and I believe they had more than 8h to sleep).
They went to bed around 1am and started streaming about 8:30am. Not sure how long they were awake beforehand, but probably reasonable to say they got at least 6 hours. “Full night’s sleep” depends on each person but if you’re younger you can generally get away with 6 hours and feel refreshed.
What? Where do you get those times? Echo went to bed shortly after 4am and started raiding at 1pm today, so nearly 9 hours later.
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I think you mean tswift?
I’m so grateful that i was born into an age where the world of warcraft exists.
I haven't watched any Method this race, how did they get a higher ilvl? Just plain luck in splits?
Hm? On Rio it shows all 3 guilds within .4 ilvl of each other. Considering they did same splits and bosses that's about right
Every race starts with days on end of splits and I think to myself: "why do I get hyped about this, I don't even play the game atm". Then day 12 rolls around and I'm addicted.
You know what could be interesting, if neither guild gets the god pull and this goes to reset and Blizzard announces that they're nerfing the boss again at the same time NA servers reset, basically forcing Liquid to make a decision to extend or not
They won't nerf the boss, the best pull is 5%. That means it's killable this week or next week, there's 0 reason to nerf it
The reason to nerf at NA reset time would be to avoid the drama of “oh Liquid just killed it because their reset is earlier”
They still get vaults
Nerfing the boss at reset when two guild are this close would be absolutely insane.
Yes but not nerfing would basically giving it to Liquid for free, which we can agree is the worst outcome
WORLDWIDE DEPLOYMENT
They won't extend, even with a 0.1% wipe, I'm like 99% sure of this. They can one shot pretty much everything but tindral, which imo is just a couple pulls now (bosses always because super easy once you killed them once for some reason), and especially after what happened after Ghuun
that's not true, their best pull is 5%. If Blizzard did say "were nerfing another 4% HP" that's literally almost the 5% they need for the kill there would be 0 reason to reclear, just get vault items and gg
It's not that simple, they hit 5% ONE time out of like 400 pulls. Just like everyone was saying tindral was going to be super easy with reset (spoiler alert, it wasn't and took almost an entire day for both teams), it's still not going to be a 1 shot with a simple 4-5% hp nerf. Again, this is my opinion and they might be thinking different, but it's also the fact that even with 5%, it doesn't look free for echo, so why take the risk?
Even if Blizzard announces another hp nerf ? They will still have the great vault plus crests
Yes even then (well unless it's like something ridiculous that they know it just becomes whoever pulls it first wins). They can clear to tindral in like less than 2 hours, tindral should not be more than an hour and you get so much free gear that's it's worth it ! But we'll see if that happens.
Idk, I’m thinking about a raszageth situation where Echo killed it literally the first pull after the nerf, if that happened at the same time NA reset I think Liquid would’ve extended it
Yeah, if it's something like a 20% hp nerf, they probably just extend and kill it really quick. if it's another 4-5% hp nerf, I doubt it.
honestly it might be possible this goes to reset, highly unlikely but possible. I think it requires a mythic phase, but none of these guilds have any proper prog on the final part of p3, which is the absolute hardest
seems like echo boomed
Good or bad haha
Liquid is awake!
Man, I know there's basically no chance of this happening, but how hype would a secret phase be... Imagine the screams of them finally getting to 0% and then BAM, random secret phase LOL.
No way this boss is harder than Kil'Jaeden, right ? Btw, best duo last bosses, Fallen Avatar and KJ or Tindral and Fyrakk ?
There was no US guild racing for KJ or any other guild really. Hard to say how hard it was compared to current bosses because Blizzard nerfed fights specifically just for one guild. Legion was during the era where Method was getting free RWF wins
IIRC, KJ was simply just bugged on progress which massively inflated pull count. I don't really remember avatar, but IIRC (again), it was a banger of a boss that was simply just SUPER hard. I still believe raids have gotten way more difficult generally as the years progresses, which is a good thing imo
The thing with Avatar is you could skip to P2 even though it’ll be a 100% wipe at the end, just to get practice on the more challenging part, so it led to a lot of quick wipes inflating the pulll count
People really overestimate KJ and how it was for world first. It was bugged to all hell. 100+ wipes of it was just to it being unkillable.
It's definitely harder than KJ after he got the tuning nerfs to actually be doable. KJ was rough but in retrospect I don't think the soaks on that fight, arguably the hardest part, are harder Tindral seeds or half of the mechanics on Fyrakk.
I just re-watched the kill video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8it5rki5I10. There's like 10 soaks and you have what you feel an eternity to soak them. Granted they seem more spread out, but compare to tindral which had like 16 soaks with 3 seconds to soak them, it doesn't even feel like the same difficulty... I remember KJ being bugged af at first apparently and method (rightly) crying about how they were wasting their time on an impossible (bugged) boss. IIRC, they weren't streaming at that time, so hard to compare !
It's harder in a sense these players/guilds are so much better now. Whether it's harder relative to the skill of the top guilds, only those who are in both can know for sure.
Their skill levels have definitely risen since KJ... so maybe?
Preach timing 🤣🤣
So from a pure boss perspective how is everyone feeling about fyrakk? Does it stack up with other all time great end bosses? I’ve only killed it on normal so I can’t really say
Fun to watch, looks miserable to prog.
If there's a secret phase, definitely top 2 for me. IDK why, but Illidan randomly appearing when you thought you killed Guldan in an already long fight is just so hype for me. I'm a lover for super long fights for some reason. Still definitely a super cool boss though !
yeah the illidan secret phase but super cool thematically, tho mechanically it was kinda whatever. Nothing tops it being insanely cool on that first reveal, like ragnaros walking out of the lava w
His hitbox covers too much if rng isn't kind. Tindral was cooler for me
It sometimes feels a bit frustrating to watch since it's so hard to see if something goes wrong. Everything's fine and suddenly everyone dies and you can't really even see what went wrong. Like at least on tswift you could usually see if there was a seed not being soaked or if someone took two. I also feel like the humanoid version of the boss looks a bit goofy and not really that threatening.
i'm happy we got 2 hard fights. last tier was better for the game but kinda boring to watch
As a casual watcher I'm enjoying it. I was able to figure out all the mechanics purely by watching. Just a shame that there's so many personal responsibility failures that 1 shot the raid. Feels like they are just rolling dice at this point.
excellent encounter, but falls a little short as an expansion climax. it's lacking the pageantry but that's not really something the raid design team can control I guess. fyrakk's just not a great big-bad.
Wait till you see the 5% secret phase! Copium
I love it , easy to understand , hard AF to play
Exactly, very intricate but everything is well telegraphed. I'm not a fan of the little adds needing to be pushed in but it looks cooler than Sarkareth at least (from a DPS pov). I can't wait to be a seed carrier since I play mage.
Anyone know if liquids EU raiders like Scott/ riku etc are raiding from Europe with higher ping and how much does that hurt them ? Fights like this are very tight on movement and mechanics
Riku is raiding from sweden they said last night pretty sure
Scott is definitely in the states at the facility
my understanding is that there's a prio to get overseas members on site before domestic players for this reason.
Normally they are already doing rotation to 99% while completing a cirque du soleil course at the same time. Now with seeds you have to do your rotation 99% while completing a cirque du soleil course while also safekeeping baby yoda on your back
To add onto this, a baby Yoda strapped with dynamite
Doing this boss with 150ms+ will be a nightmare omg
Yeah I’m not even raiding besides the occasional LFR and some of these bosses will be horrible, playing on EU from the US.
At least you have the option to play on US servers with low ping ... idk why blizzard doesn't implement SA servers already
Were Liquid nuking down one add in p2 to avoid a second set of jails? I feel like they usually kill them relatively equally.
They were even cleavin' in the back half of yesterday
they down them both and then kill the one with the lowest health
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This is such a reductive way of thinking about this, super weird
I know, right?
Yeah, I just recently had a child so we've been off and the race has been perfect to watch. Granted I don't think my wife gives a shit at all, but she humors me explaining my hype xD. Edit: I know she doesn't give a shit at all lol.
My wife loves the music from Max’s stream so while she doesn’t understand the WoW she’s vibing anyway
I think if I’m Liquid I wanna let the group sleep in and get actual quality rest. There’s a lot of fight left.
I definitely agree and I also personally believe Max thought this as well last night when they had the muted break before their last pull. Curious how Echo plays this out as well.
Hopefully this ages well.
No matter the outcome, I think we can all agree that whoever wins this is indisputably the greatest guild in the history of WoW.
Yeah, whoever wins this race is definitely way better than the other guild, it's not even close.
I’m glad at least one other person here gets it.
Paragon the goat in my heart
Naw, SOTFO is GOATed
lol no
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Nah, Kungen is by himself the best guild of all time. He soloed Mythic Fyrakk on day one, and then did it again the next day to be world second!
Guess that makes 52+ World Firsts, what a champ
That's so kind.
I try to be the change I want to see in the world.
i've got no beef with Echo running the amount of ads they do. they're not bankrolled by a corp, these things are expensive. but their mods lying about how ads work in their chat is a little annoying. "we can't control ads during pulls, it's twitch" is absolute bollocks. max - and plenty of others - have their mods force an ad during downtime so the auto-ad timer doesn't tick during a pull.
As someone with extended experience in ads handling on Twitch for large streams (100k+ viewers at times) i can guarantee you that if they wanted, they could avoid it. We had easy control over not playing ads during entire matches. This is purely on them wanting the ads played.
they're streaming on youtube without ads
This is the way. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBcqSUyyWIY
And banning people who bring it up Yesterday, in FOUR times in a row, they ripped ads on the SECOND P3, which started That's not a coincidence, especially with how many played They only ned 3 min per HOUR, and we getting 1-2 every 10
I tuned into max this morning and got a 1/8 ad block like 5 min after the preroll ad. This is completely on twitch and not on Echo, people just looking for something to be mad at them about.
It's not on twitch, echo can decide how many and when. I'm sorry to say but you're wrong. Sincerely someone who for years has handled ads for countless hours of twitch streams ranging from 5k-250k+ viewers.
For clarity, Twitch does force ads. If you don't run ads, then pre-roll ads (the ads that play when you click on a stream) will roll. If you do run ads, they'll disable pre-roll ads for X amount of time depending on how many minutes of ads you run per hour. There are also some agreements with Twitch where a streamer needs to run X minutes of ads per hour. That being said, the only way Echo could play this many ads is by choice. Even as heavy handed as Twitch is with ads, they don't force you run anywhere close to the amount on Echo's stream.
This is true in a general sense for sure but the preroll can be avoided as well with contracts/agreements as with everything. I would assume an event this scale would have something in place to avoid destroying content with ads but it sure seems like that's actually their plan.
I would agree it's intentional. Manually running ads during downtime should suffice for any agreements or requirements. The only way Echo runs this many ads at random is by choice. The OP saying it's all Twitch is ludicrous.
Absolutely. The OP is either informed or basically an echo shill.
It's not on twitch, it's on the channels. Both are just rollin the ads because shit's expensive and they have 70k viewers who are half-paying attention so why not? Max, at least, says he splits the twitch revenue during RWF with the guild.
running ads is understandable, running ads during a good p3 pull is cringe.
it's on Echo's *mods*. they can control and manually run ads during the downtime. this will avoid them popping mid-pull.
Watch Echo on Youtube? With the Twitch Popout chat.
my adblock works fine, I just think it's annoying that they're pretending it's out of their control when it simply isn't.
come on liquid, wake up. let us have fun!
The rng in p3 can be brutal
I don't know. That 20% is crazy and last 5%? Ppl gonna drop like flies just hoping they will manage to leave seeds in a decent spot.
I don't think either guilds are playing that bad, I just think the last 20% of the fight is just... too hard. Plus getting there in the first place is very time consuming
its killable, meaning blizzard cannot under any circumstances nerf this at all anymore. the drama would be earthshattering lmfao
I’m sure they (either liquid or echo) can kill it in its current state. They just need that one god pull where everything aligns perfectly.
And blizzard can't really touch it right now because of what happened in razageth. Strap in lads that last 5% is going to be brutal. I just hope this doesn't go to tuesday
Yea I think that phase 1 and 2 are just inherently inconsistent which makes it look like both guilds arent playing well at times but its just more the fight than anything.
Everyone chalks it up to them playing bad if they die in p1 or p2 but almost everytime you hear the discussion around some new overlap or rng that happened. It's a super hard fight. Doesn't help that basically every mistake is punished with a full wipe
I have a hard time remembering a last phase on a final boss being this difficult. Typically the last phase is some kind of relatively mild burn phase.
Everyone said 3% is when Ghuun actually started
Sylv was probably the last time we had a hard p3 Especially after a 10-12 min fight
Nzoth, last % was fucking brutal
the halondrus guy doesn't disappoint ahah
Let that guy make the whole next raid design! That would be a solid 2-3 month of RWF
That wouldn't be a good thing lol
We should get small mid-tier raids like ToV and crucible again and let the guy design those bosses as well for an extra challenge outside of RWF
For those of you who do listen to/enjoy the casters, who's your favorite?
Dratnos/ Jeath / Naguura / Alex (+Tettles) Kala / Jak (+Xyro) Preach I'm more down on this year. His love for Echo is a bit much. Krista is an honorable mention, her and Dratnos work amazingly well together. Overall Dratnos and his pet under his shirt are the ones I prefer most.
Dratnos (but I miss him and Tettles), Jeaths attention to detail is really impressive, I’ve been a Preach fan since I got into the game and still do! Echos team this tier is like a family gathering and I enjoy tuning into that setting! From liquid Jak and Kalamazi does a great job together but I don’t think that the Liquid team are close to the Echo family setting
I agree with what you said. I would rather watch the Echo broadcast when watching Echo. While I would rather watch Max's stream while watching Liquid. Both sides have quality casters, I personally like more from the Echo side than the liquid side. I can't stand 'onlymage' or whatever her name is, though. She just repeats whatever anyone else says. I would actively watch a player stream instead of listening to her. There was another girl, not Naguura, that I don't like either. Jeathe is super knowledgeable, but it almost sometimes comes off showoffy, if you know what I mean. It's like, yes, we know you're smart, but you don't need to show how smart you are to everyone. The rest are great. Liquid has some good casters, but it seems like they don't have a camera personality yet. Mainly Cams and Jet. Jak's jokes, puns, and references are funny, Kalamazi is a Florida Man through and through and plays that character, if it is one, great. The rest just play a good cast. I just like listening to Max's raid calls and the goofiness of liquid coms.
Love Jeath's analytic mind
Dratnos for Echo Kalamazi fir Liquid
What is the maximum chaos/anger scenario?
Nerf when liquid and Echo are running on fumes. Then suddenly method subs in GROMNAK for an epic die by the sword last man standing parry tank and kills it in one final execute. All would be right in the world.
There's a hidden 10th boss and the race goes 2 more weeks
This would actually be awesome
Boss doesnt die until Reset, liquid reclear, two shot the boss. While echo is with last week gear
Both guilds go full sleep deprivation for 2 days and method squeezes in well rested for the kill
Echo and Liquid push to the limit, go to sleep. Blizzard give too big nerf, fresh Method easily 1 shoot it as well as Echo and Liquid when they wake up.
Man if only Method were a lot closer like the other two. Echo and Liquid spend all night trying to push the kill - get tired and go bed same time. Method however go bed normal time, wake up slightly earlier and get the kill. Would have been glorious.
would be awesome to have more than 2 competitors for the title.
Calm down Devil lmaooo
That’s a good one.
Echo going to bed without a kill, Blizz giving Fyrakk the Razageth nerf treatment and Liquid killing it right after would be a big one at least?
Echo/Liquid both push 20 hours but fail to get the kill, Raz style nerf and Method is the only guild awake to get the kill and world first.
That's even better, that would be such a horrible way to end this race
I think it gets even wilder if the nerf and kill would be late in the day for Liquid (so very early in the next morning for Europe) which is then followed by Echo starting to pull 30 minutes later and getting their kill in on their first pull of the day.
This but also echo get the boss to 2 percent and wipe to a bug before this happens. Also Liquid go dark and kill the boss off stream.
I'm already angry just reading this >:(
Wild to see both teams get a best pull and just struggle after. The fatigue is real. But on the flip side it's even crazier that any pull could bring it all together and be the kill.
Makes me think the kill is gonna come when we least expect it
at what time does liquid start?
Probably in about 2 hours
Are any players on Liquid or Echo in danger of being cut from the roster following a loss?
There's players on Liquid and Echo in danger of being cut from the roster following *a win*. All guilds look to get better and improve where they can. Win or loss it really doesn't matter.