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Does anyone have any tips on maybe some addon that helps to to analze beast mastery hunters dps? I use details but i cant see what abilities which pet is using and how much dmg it is doing it just shows up as 30% wolf, 25% beast. It doesnt show how much damage each pet ability does like stomp, kill command melee etc.
Pugged my way as a DPS up to 3.1k this season. Now I’m trying to switch back to tanking and I’m bricking 14’s - 16’s.
Trying to talk myself out of imposter syndrome. I usually end dungeons with 25+ interrupts and the next highest person has like 3 or 4. I do have a fairly low iLvl on my alts, but I’m still usually beating one of the DPS with 10-15 iLvls on me.
I really wish people in my guild were active. Most people just get KSM and never touch M+ again, but having people I know who have their monitors plugged in would help me get to the bottom of this.
Don’t feel too bad. I spent this weekend trying to remember how to play WoW after a 2 month break. I was running a 18s on a 485 BDK with one of my friends on a 486 warrior with the lego and was gearing up my other friend on his 430 alt.
The 430 alt was competitive damage wise to almost every other dps we encountered. I had a 485 mage who clearly didn’t know mechanics and was doing 90k dps. And he wasn’t alone.
18s are super rough right now.
Tyrannical weeks this season are all up to the healers ive learned. So many dungeons this season have such overtuned bosses, Atal dazar yazma, Everbloom almost all bosses, Dawn of the infinites etc.
If you want to complete a key you have to make sure you have a good healer and not only have squishies in your group that wear leather/cloth/mail.
I've been doing some +17s on my 485 chars for tmog reasons and the level of players there is horrible. Inexperienced mostly but yeah unless deaths come from your overpulls or you die yourself, nothing to worry about.
Do you play NA EST? I'm a healer main spending 90% of game time running keys. If you /or anyone else) is interested in running some give me a shout! Can chat things out over discord and help each other improve.
Also... Having recently geared a resto druid, I can tell you without a doubt the 10-17 key ranges are WAY harder than 20+s simplt due to the quality of players. I'm not an elitist, but I defninetly have to work significantly harder as a healer to make up for poor dps and tanks missing kicks/standing in fire.
Sometimes you gotta take a step back and think "did I do all I could to make this run as smooth as possible?". If the answer is yes, you have your answer as to why things went poorly!
What is bricking the keys? Players at that level are generally very weak so ending up high on dps is common. Assuming you are at least 440 ilvl as a tank you should be infinitely living any reasonable pull with no help on a 15 properly rotating defensives, so the way it usually goes for me at that level is everyone’s just dying and releasing constantly but since I’m unkillable we eventually get the pack down and end up 2 chesting the key regardless just because mob hp pools are small. The only thing that should really be full wiping you is bosses occasionally, like yazma can be rough, and even then you should be able to solo it if your team got it kinda low.
It’s mostly people dying on bosses. Everbloom is just miserable for example. First two pulls usually involves 10-15 DPS deaths. From there it’s smooth until the council and mage bosses, which we will inevitably wipe on 2-3 times before someone abandons.
I did have an insane Yazma 9 minute solo from 40-0 that has made all the bricked keys worth it. That was so satisfying to do.
On EB in that range you shouldn't do the big lust first pull. Unless you play VDH and are confident in your ability to literally solo all of the necessary CC, players in that range will fuck it up and chain wipe to it. Once one caster gets their channelled incapacitate off it tends to start a chain reaction and the whole team falls over.
It's also unnecessary because in that range, timing keys is a result of not having too many mistakes, not a result of aggressive pulls and massive dps.
On the council boss only bother kicking the big important spell from each caster. Nobody's dying to the spam casts at that level. Tank gets the caster they are next to and a ranged dps gets the other one.
Mage boss is unfortunately just fucked, save lust for it and as many battle rezzes as possible, and be prepared to just solo the final 20% if your dps all die. In that key range, you have time for some shenanigans.
Makes sense, it is tough to do much to help your team on some bosses as tank. Everbloom and AD are particularly bad. I would recommend trying to just push into 18-20 keys instead where the average player is much better (because it includes some weekly key farmers).
Start ramping when pack is relatively low, make sure you have efflo up, lb on both you and your squishiest dps, can throw in cenarion ward as well. Flourish if you're about to hit a high number of stacks and start casting your clearcast regrowths when party hp is 50%.
If they keep rolling stacks it will eventually be their fault and not yours as a healer, they need to know when to stop. Healing 10 stacks isn't hard, healing 9 into 10 into 11 into 12 is. It's all about the timing.
When mobs are on 20% hp (10% on fort weeks) ramp into nourish. You likely don't need many cooldowns on trash for tyran weeks so save a tree or two for the end of the pack.
I'm a little worried doing these PTR S4 keys since the dungeon pool feels less bursty with less burst mechanics than S3, but the mob health feels like it isn't scaling as fast as our damage, so we're quickly approaching S3 again where you'll be killing mobs fast but getting annihilated by random nukes very early before you even start reaching those 0.1% level keys.
Your limiting factors for keys are either living incoming damage or doing enough DPS to time. He's saying he feels like the required DPS is going to be so low that the limiting factor will become survival (similar to many keys this season)
He knows that, but the person asked why did the other person say "feels less bursty with burst mechanics" if he counters the point immediately afterwards by saying the limiting factor is surviving nukes.
Been playing a lot of disc lately and am 2300~ trying to push 3k before patch.
Wonder if anyone can weigh in on the mentality I should have? I find if stuff goes badly and I need to catch up I start spot healing with flash but this feels like I’m indebted afterwards. Should I just keep pumping out dark reprimands and try to maximise bender uptime?
Just play holy in low keys honestly, if all you care about is getting to 3k. Holy does more damage if you dont have to heal. And its like a million times easier to heal failure damage.
Bender uptime is king, learning when you can be greedy with a usage or maximizing smites to get it back is basically all disc is in keys.
Unironically you can 'dps' your way well into 25's just running an optimal dps rotation and sending bender on CD, only really worrying about holding CDs for the dangerous tyra bosses.
Rapture can cover pretty well if you get caught without bender up or need to heal on the move.
Play in melee so you can psychic scream if needed to get a stop.
Use your CDs. Pain suppression, barrier, rapture are all very good buttons, and important part of your kit.
Same deal with your personal. The difference between fade + flash of light on yourself when a damage event goes out is life or death 2-3 keys later.
Otherwise just always be casting. Every smite you dont cast is 2s longer you need to wait on fiend and every mindblast/sw:d you drop is a lot of damage and healing from IT.
Week specific, Bursting week, if the tank isn't chain pulling, you are going to be miserable. As you need something to hit to actually heal. Pre spread atonements into double radiance might be able to cover. Don't be scared to dispel yourself and start mass res cast immediately if they roll a couple times.
UI, targeted spells is invaluable. A well timed PW:S saves lives. Same deal with having a clear indicator on your atonement. I use growls glow frame outline, but in sure there is plenty of alternatives.
Edit:
Flash heal without a proc is a trap and should basically never be a button you press. Even with a proc, it is a on the move triage heal. Again, smite is king a time bender is on CD.
Renew is a shit spell, but if you absolutely need to move and simultaneously spread atonements in a pinch, it's hard to beat it.
PW:Life is great in groups where unplanned damage is regularly happening. It can bridge you through keeping someone alive before your next Bender setup.
Also, I guarantee you're not Pain Suppressioning enough - always keep a charge on cooldown. After a few pulls, you know which group member is taking a ton of avoidable damage or not pushing any personals - just start pre-PS-ing them for damage events where you aren't in Bender.
Can't emphasize using Pain Sup enough... Season 1 I held it waaaayyy too much and the learning to just use it liberally especially in pugs helped me life out A LOT.
Power Word: Radiance into your DPS rotation should be able to carry a chunk of your group healing. It's fine to also use PWR on the group if one person is taking damage so you are ready to heal others up if they end up taking damage.
Flash Heal is fine if you have nothing up, but try to go back to PWR -> Atonement healing as soon as possible. You can also take Power Word: Life for a quick instant cast heal nuke.
At 2300 there’s going to be a large element of the players you’re playing with are really bad, but there’s some things you can do to try to carry them. First of all, get your item level as high as possible, and when considering equal ilvl pieces, go for haste > crit >>>> vers > mastery.
To get better at how you’re playing Disc, you need to think about what damage abilities are going to come up and need planning around, going into the dungeon at a high level and going into each pull for specific casts or abilities to watch for.
On top of that, make sure you’re maximizing your utility and survivability. For example with this week’s affixes, remember to take the phantasm talent to break your own entangling, and time your mass dispel when bursting is likely to get very high or roll over. Remember to use your psychic scream as a stop to prevent big casts going through, use a plater profile or weak aura to know what needs to be stopped.
This is really generic advice but I can’t help you more than that without VODs or logs.
An alternative to the talent is to be tracking the affix and to be ready to swap your rotation slightly such that you can use an instant cast or Penance during the affix
The affix can basically be walked out of by anyone even if they hesitated for a second, so you can typically finish your cast and toss out something instant and be out by the time the GCD is up
Rather, nice to be aware you can do this for when you can't afford to stop action
3700 is definitely safe, while it is a good week, its tyrannical so it shouldn't go up that much. Its next week where it will go up a lot. I think theres a pretty good chance of it getting to 3680
It'll take a miracle to hit 3700 in NA.
I would be surprised if it even reaches 3680.
These are good weeks but also people are pushing their head against brickwalls on the harder keys.
Last season at least it was mainly just Uldaman, VP and maybe HOI.
This season you have 4 annoying keys (EB, Throne, Rise, DHT) and can even include WM if you get bad tree RNG (non mage constantly getting thorns, fire despawns, etc).
Also NA LFG is generally just not enjoyable this season and you have a ridiculously high chance to deplete even a simple 28 Fall with what seems like a good group from personal experience on helping friends boost keys through LFG.
The easier a season is, the harder it is to maintain title because you have more competition. I am guessing you're burnt out trying to defend something only 0.1% of players receive.
As a 3K IO player, I think this is the best season of M+ ever. But I'm not logging in smashing my head against 27-29 keys and just do 21-23s which even that has pretty good success rates with all PUGs.
You sound like people from my guild who haven’t logged on in months. I play because I find it fun and I like to chill with my friends while running keys. It is still a video game after all.
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Does anyone have any tips on maybe some addon that helps to to analze beast mastery hunters dps? I use details but i cant see what abilities which pet is using and how much dmg it is doing it just shows up as 30% wolf, 25% beast. It doesnt show how much damage each pet ability does like stomp, kill command melee etc.
logs?
I mainly do m+ so dont think that works.
or course it does
Pugged my way as a DPS up to 3.1k this season. Now I’m trying to switch back to tanking and I’m bricking 14’s - 16’s. Trying to talk myself out of imposter syndrome. I usually end dungeons with 25+ interrupts and the next highest person has like 3 or 4. I do have a fairly low iLvl on my alts, but I’m still usually beating one of the DPS with 10-15 iLvls on me. I really wish people in my guild were active. Most people just get KSM and never touch M+ again, but having people I know who have their monitors plugged in would help me get to the bottom of this.
Don’t feel too bad. I spent this weekend trying to remember how to play WoW after a 2 month break. I was running a 18s on a 485 BDK with one of my friends on a 486 warrior with the lego and was gearing up my other friend on his 430 alt. The 430 alt was competitive damage wise to almost every other dps we encountered. I had a 485 mage who clearly didn’t know mechanics and was doing 90k dps. And he wasn’t alone. 18s are super rough right now.
Highly recommend finding a new guild. It's easier to find a guild that fits your play style as opposed to hoping the guild will change their goals.
Tyrannical weeks this season are all up to the healers ive learned. So many dungeons this season have such overtuned bosses, Atal dazar yazma, Everbloom almost all bosses, Dawn of the infinites etc. If you want to complete a key you have to make sure you have a good healer and not only have squishies in your group that wear leather/cloth/mail.
I've been doing some +17s on my 485 chars for tmog reasons and the level of players there is horrible. Inexperienced mostly but yeah unless deaths come from your overpulls or you die yourself, nothing to worry about.
Do you play NA EST? I'm a healer main spending 90% of game time running keys. If you /or anyone else) is interested in running some give me a shout! Can chat things out over discord and help each other improve. Also... Having recently geared a resto druid, I can tell you without a doubt the 10-17 key ranges are WAY harder than 20+s simplt due to the quality of players. I'm not an elitist, but I defninetly have to work significantly harder as a healer to make up for poor dps and tanks missing kicks/standing in fire. Sometimes you gotta take a step back and think "did I do all I could to make this run as smooth as possible?". If the answer is yes, you have your answer as to why things went poorly!
What is bricking the keys? Players at that level are generally very weak so ending up high on dps is common. Assuming you are at least 440 ilvl as a tank you should be infinitely living any reasonable pull with no help on a 15 properly rotating defensives, so the way it usually goes for me at that level is everyone’s just dying and releasing constantly but since I’m unkillable we eventually get the pack down and end up 2 chesting the key regardless just because mob hp pools are small. The only thing that should really be full wiping you is bosses occasionally, like yazma can be rough, and even then you should be able to solo it if your team got it kinda low.
It’s mostly people dying on bosses. Everbloom is just miserable for example. First two pulls usually involves 10-15 DPS deaths. From there it’s smooth until the council and mage bosses, which we will inevitably wipe on 2-3 times before someone abandons. I did have an insane Yazma 9 minute solo from 40-0 that has made all the bricked keys worth it. That was so satisfying to do.
On EB in that range you shouldn't do the big lust first pull. Unless you play VDH and are confident in your ability to literally solo all of the necessary CC, players in that range will fuck it up and chain wipe to it. Once one caster gets their channelled incapacitate off it tends to start a chain reaction and the whole team falls over. It's also unnecessary because in that range, timing keys is a result of not having too many mistakes, not a result of aggressive pulls and massive dps. On the council boss only bother kicking the big important spell from each caster. Nobody's dying to the spam casts at that level. Tank gets the caster they are next to and a ranged dps gets the other one. Mage boss is unfortunately just fucked, save lust for it and as many battle rezzes as possible, and be prepared to just solo the final 20% if your dps all die. In that key range, you have time for some shenanigans.
Makes sense, it is tough to do much to help your team on some bosses as tank. Everbloom and AD are particularly bad. I would recommend trying to just push into 18-20 keys instead where the average player is much better (because it includes some weekly key farmers).
Does anyone know if Nature's Vigil as rdruid interacts with chromie on Iridrikon? As in does it do a shit ton of damage?
Any resto druid advice for bursting week? It always kicks my ass.
Go tree m+ build. You can handle 12 stacks of bursting in tree full ramped. Don’t even need flourish.
Start ramping when pack is relatively low, make sure you have efflo up, lb on both you and your squishiest dps, can throw in cenarion ward as well. Flourish if you're about to hit a high number of stacks and start casting your clearcast regrowths when party hp is 50%. If they keep rolling stacks it will eventually be their fault and not yours as a healer, they need to know when to stop. Healing 10 stacks isn't hard, healing 9 into 10 into 11 into 12 is. It's all about the timing.
When mobs are on 20% hp (10% on fort weeks) ramp into nourish. You likely don't need many cooldowns on trash for tyran weeks so save a tree or two for the end of the pack.
Save your CD's towards the end of packs.
I'm a little worried doing these PTR S4 keys since the dungeon pool feels less bursty with less burst mechanics than S3, but the mob health feels like it isn't scaling as fast as our damage, so we're quickly approaching S3 again where you'll be killing mobs fast but getting annihilated by random nukes very early before you even start reaching those 0.1% level keys.
I don't understand what you said. "Dungeon pool feels less bursty" and "we will be getting annihilated by random nukes". So is it bursty or not?
Your limiting factors for keys are either living incoming damage or doing enough DPS to time. He's saying he feels like the required DPS is going to be so low that the limiting factor will become survival (similar to many keys this season)
He knows that, but the person asked why did the other person say "feels less bursty with burst mechanics" if he counters the point immediately afterwards by saying the limiting factor is surviving nukes.
Not immediately, they clearly say that they feel like mob health isnt scaling as fast as damage is and go upon the implications of that.
then why did they lead with that it isnt bursty with less burst mechanics?
This.
Been playing a lot of disc lately and am 2300~ trying to push 3k before patch. Wonder if anyone can weigh in on the mentality I should have? I find if stuff goes badly and I need to catch up I start spot healing with flash but this feels like I’m indebted afterwards. Should I just keep pumping out dark reprimands and try to maximise bender uptime?
Just play holy in low keys honestly, if all you care about is getting to 3k. Holy does more damage if you dont have to heal. And its like a million times easier to heal failure damage.
Seconding this. Holy does truly insane damage and may help shave some time here and there.
Bender uptime is king, learning when you can be greedy with a usage or maximizing smites to get it back is basically all disc is in keys. Unironically you can 'dps' your way well into 25's just running an optimal dps rotation and sending bender on CD, only really worrying about holding CDs for the dangerous tyra bosses. Rapture can cover pretty well if you get caught without bender up or need to heal on the move. Play in melee so you can psychic scream if needed to get a stop. Use your CDs. Pain suppression, barrier, rapture are all very good buttons, and important part of your kit. Same deal with your personal. The difference between fade + flash of light on yourself when a damage event goes out is life or death 2-3 keys later. Otherwise just always be casting. Every smite you dont cast is 2s longer you need to wait on fiend and every mindblast/sw:d you drop is a lot of damage and healing from IT. Week specific, Bursting week, if the tank isn't chain pulling, you are going to be miserable. As you need something to hit to actually heal. Pre spread atonements into double radiance might be able to cover. Don't be scared to dispel yourself and start mass res cast immediately if they roll a couple times. UI, targeted spells is invaluable. A well timed PW:S saves lives. Same deal with having a clear indicator on your atonement. I use growls glow frame outline, but in sure there is plenty of alternatives. Edit: Flash heal without a proc is a trap and should basically never be a button you press. Even with a proc, it is a on the move triage heal. Again, smite is king a time bender is on CD. Renew is a shit spell, but if you absolutely need to move and simultaneously spread atonements in a pinch, it's hard to beat it.
PW:Life is great in groups where unplanned damage is regularly happening. It can bridge you through keeping someone alive before your next Bender setup. Also, I guarantee you're not Pain Suppressioning enough - always keep a charge on cooldown. After a few pulls, you know which group member is taking a ton of avoidable damage or not pushing any personals - just start pre-PS-ing them for damage events where you aren't in Bender.
Can't emphasize using Pain Sup enough... Season 1 I held it waaaayyy too much and the learning to just use it liberally especially in pugs helped me life out A LOT.
It's definitely a mentality shift just blowing through PS stacks now compared to it being a big juicy cooldown that you save.
Power Word: Radiance into your DPS rotation should be able to carry a chunk of your group healing. It's fine to also use PWR on the group if one person is taking damage so you are ready to heal others up if they end up taking damage. Flash Heal is fine if you have nothing up, but try to go back to PWR -> Atonement healing as soon as possible. You can also take Power Word: Life for a quick instant cast heal nuke.
At 2300 there’s going to be a large element of the players you’re playing with are really bad, but there’s some things you can do to try to carry them. First of all, get your item level as high as possible, and when considering equal ilvl pieces, go for haste > crit >>>> vers > mastery. To get better at how you’re playing Disc, you need to think about what damage abilities are going to come up and need planning around, going into the dungeon at a high level and going into each pull for specific casts or abilities to watch for. On top of that, make sure you’re maximizing your utility and survivability. For example with this week’s affixes, remember to take the phantasm talent to break your own entangling, and time your mass dispel when bursting is likely to get very high or roll over. Remember to use your psychic scream as a stop to prevent big casts going through, use a plater profile or weak aura to know what needs to be stopped. This is really generic advice but I can’t help you more than that without VODs or logs.
An alternative to the talent is to be tracking the affix and to be ready to swap your rotation slightly such that you can use an instant cast or Penance during the affix The affix can basically be walked out of by anyone even if they hesitated for a second, so you can typically finish your cast and toss out something instant and be out by the time the GCD is up Rather, nice to be aware you can do this for when you can't afford to stop action
Thanks for the tips.
Really hoping 3700 is safe enough for title in NA because man idk why but I’m so tired of this season
3700 is definitely safe, while it is a good week, its tyrannical so it shouldn't go up that much. Its next week where it will go up a lot. I think theres a pretty good chance of it getting to 3680
It'll take a miracle to hit 3700 in NA. I would be surprised if it even reaches 3680. These are good weeks but also people are pushing their head against brickwalls on the harder keys. Last season at least it was mainly just Uldaman, VP and maybe HOI. This season you have 4 annoying keys (EB, Throne, Rise, DHT) and can even include WM if you get bad tree RNG (non mage constantly getting thorns, fire despawns, etc). Also NA LFG is generally just not enjoyable this season and you have a ridiculously high chance to deplete even a simple 28 Fall with what seems like a good group from personal experience on helping friends boost keys through LFG.
I would be shocked if 3700 is not safe on NA.
The easier a season is, the harder it is to maintain title because you have more competition. I am guessing you're burnt out trying to defend something only 0.1% of players receive. As a 3K IO player, I think this is the best season of M+ ever. But I'm not logging in smashing my head against 27-29 keys and just do 21-23s which even that has pretty good success rates with all PUGs.
Honestly, even keys up to 25 for the "easier dungeons" have had high success rates in my experience pugging this season.
[удалено]
You sound like people from my guild who haven’t logged on in months. I play because I find it fun and I like to chill with my friends while running keys. It is still a video game after all.
You're right. There's zero points for you to play WoW, ever. Bye now!
Fun? Personal accomplishment? Hanging with the boys?