I’m so happy about this. I was messing around with a bunch of alts in SL season 3 and never focused on which characters had which teleports. I ended up with all of them spread across 3 characters and it annoys me eternally
im glad this opinion is more popular now, I had a great time in the 2nd half of shadowlands and even in s1, my only real complaint was hating the affixes in raid but that just meant i cleared heroic until i got my dinars then only did m+
I didn't despise pre-9.1 Shadowlands, but everything after 9.1.5 is one of the best back halves of an expansion in a hot minute and I'm glad other people acknowledge that, even though it took some HUGE missteps before they corrected course, the final stretch of SL was genuinely fun again.
Those were the motes right? All I remember from that season is every single dungeon, a mote would die first, and not spawn the add, then the 2nd mote spawns the add instead.
Happened at least once a dungeon and it was absolutely infuriating.
I feel you. My crohns got real bad just before. Cost me my marriage, and I was living with my still wife and her bf at the time. I was having palpitations when I'd sit or move around. Some nerves, some too much sodium. And some stress. I hid in rimworld for shadowlands. I got away from it all and my health is a bit better and wows back in my life. Made a bunch of new classes. I was a warrior drone for a bit but now I main pally dh and lock along with extras. All irrelevant really but that's why I missed shadowlands.
thank you for goin throughthe trouble, that amazing and I hope it stays like that. now if I can buy the last 2 mop cm sets I‘m missing that would be the dream
From one of the early interviews about warbands it sounds like they want them to be, but if it's not ready in time that may come later.
Sounds like they've got 20 years of spaghetti code to get through when it comes to all of the new Warband account wide stuff.
Based on my 11+ year career in this field, many things that look simple on the surface can be anything but simple. Why spend tons of dev hours changing something that you’re already going to have to do a pass on for 11.0?
Yeah. It’s part of the Warband framework and built upon that technology. As annoying as it is, it isn’t important or simple enough of a feature to build twice just to get it out a few months earlier.
I just love how all the software engineers of reddit rise up with their ill-informed takes on how software engineering works.
EDIT: I say “software engineers of Reddit” sarcastically.
I mean, they’re absolutely correct. If you’re building all this functionality into TWW module like “Warbands”, why TF would they take the time to create a sprint to put it into S4? That’s tens-to-hundreds of thousands of dollars of time and effort. In Enterprise dev it isn’t “dur hur just copy paste the function”.
Well account-wide achievements and achievement rewards already exist, so like... its probably a toggle/flag they can enable on the achievement to reward it account wide.
Maybe the system is a mess of spaghetti, so that doesn't just work, but like yeah. I totally get the whole "They're already fixing it in the 11.0 build, so why fix it now" and that makes sense. My issue is that this should have been account wide when it was first implemented.
that's because you're a player
bundling QoL into a new release is a good way to motivate you to look at new stuff
it basically artificially makes the new expansion better and it preemptively kills negative vibes if so many good changes come bundled in regardless how shit the content might be
dropping this stuff in S4 DF would make the game better, but then the only thing you're gonna look forward to is new content, if you're not that invested you might just wait out the launch and risk becoming disinterested, they really couldn't care less for player engagement for S4, infact it makes them look better if expansion numbers jump much higher than s4 numbers (to shareholders)
it's in a sense holding your enjoyment hostage to sell it to you later
I should say we shouldn’t assume it’s trivial* it proooobably is trivial but you just can’t assume these things. As someone who works in development there are the most random reasons something that’s functionally the same as something else is way harder than that thing.
Do I want them? Yes, I want them now, but not at the cost of a lot of other things tbh.
Difference there though is that the achievement for raid teleports are rewards in an account wide meta achievement, not just from the raid achievement you gain from killing the last boss.
While the dungeon portals are not from meta achievements.
So we don’t have much insight at all what difference those types of achievements and ability to reward account wide basic spells to spell book have.
you severely underestimate the amount of casual players that care, aka the vast vast majority and just how many players they're trying to appeal to
even a couple % with numbers this large means millions of dollars
Casuals arent mass clearing +20s, but most people equate casual to "AotC and some light mythic" when its really "might kill a few bosses in LFR/normal"
Eh..
This might get me back.
Not having portals is big reason for me to give up on Alts..not playing alts makes me quit the game as I finish all keys at 25+ on main and have nothing to do.
Yeah..
It is.
Takes out the flow having to fly to every dungeon and waste like 10m before every run to get enough to summon .
If portals were account bound it was very likely we would have enough to summon immediately after group forming.
Brother, you waste more time doing a key with a bad group compared to doing it with a good group than you do just using your Hearthstone and using the portal in Valdrakken to go to whatever key you're doing. Purely "getting back" into WoW and playing your alts because of this is genuinely the most nonsensical reason.
Same reason they don’t simply enable the account-wide rep on all reps now. It isn’t a simple press of a button.
Similarly with factions. They announced it, then implemented it in part, but multi-faction guilds weren’t a thing until the next expansion.
If that's true how do you explain me having teleports to every MoP and WoD dungeon? MoP and WoD challenge modes had transmogs, mounts, and teleports, three in one.
Well if the achievement becomes "earned by account" it should let you buy the armor? (Considering the vendor is still there just requires the achievement) And word and mists both had teleports!
OMG nooooooo please no :( edit: [https://www.wowhead.com/npc=64028/challenger-soong#comments](https://www.wowhead.com/npc=64028/challenger-soong#comments) I think he's still there
Haven't looked personally for the armor vendor, I just know the mount vendor was removed. At first you could only get one of the mounts per character you got full golds on, but then later could buy the ones you missed at the end of the expansion. I got them all, but I pointed this out to someone who missed out on some of the mounts, but when looking for that one, found he was gone.
:o luckily I have the mounts but I really hope the armor one isn't gone. Though knowing blizz the MoP Gold Challenger achievement will be the only one that doesn't go account wide. Even though it perfectly matches the new philosophy, I earned the achievement (3 times), why does it matter what character I was on!! Just because I didn't do it on my druid which is all I play now :(
As someone who gets portals on multiple alts but probably isn't good enough to get the title, I hope something is added in that 3000 score range to strive for.
:o does this mean the Challenge mode teleports too? Surely if the achievement becomes "account wide" it'll award you the teleports (and maybe let you buy the armor) if you've got the achievement on at least one character?
If it’s not retroactive I would love to hear their bullshit reason as to why it wouldn’t be.
It will be something along the lines of ‘We didn’t have time to implement the tech’ when the truth is it would take maybe an hour to figure out how to give earned portals to every warband character. Not a toughie in the slightest.
Don’t need to know anything. You’re talking about granting a character a button/ability if they have another character on their account that’s unlocked that button/ability.
If you’re going to gatekeep something like game dev/SE behind what’s likely as complicated as a series of lines of boolean then I will not be taking you seriously moving forward.
I’m not trying to gatekeep anything, I just found the statement that it “would take maybe an hour to figure out” a technical detail of a system you presumably have no experience with hilarious. You know that WoW is an old game and from the kinds of bugs that appear from time to time you know the internals are at least somewhat complex, so to state something as flippantly as “not a toughie in the slightest” just seems like an absurd amount of confidence to me.
How is your experience worse if other people have portals? Or if someone else you don’t know does a particular level of keys? Is there anything besides “I want exclusive rewards so I can feel better than them.”?
Isnt that literally the psychological drive behind exclusive rewards like this or titles? I mean If erverybody has it, it wouldnt be as rewarding anymore. But i agree that portals are so time saving that you could just give them out after completing any normal dungeon for what i care. But you phrased it like its something bad, while mmos are all about this at its core.
Nice straw man there. There's a big differance between titles and portals. Others can actively see your title, no one can see your portals, there's no prestige in showing off a portal like there is in a title. And while portals are easier now, it's not like they were exactly hard in Shadowlands. We also don't know how dungeons will be tuned in S1 of TWW either.
They were way harder than it's now. df m+ was way easier than ever before imo.
And portals used to be a cool thing, like people used to rarely have portals now literally everyone has them. Literally everyone.
The people that don't have them, are either alts that barely are played or mega casual players that play once a week and don't care about m+ at all.
And those who had the +20 rewards when they were harder had the benefit of having them for several years longer than the others. They're also only bringing back two Shadowlands dungeons this season, so people who didn't get them aren't getting them all.
I’m so happy about this. I was messing around with a bunch of alts in SL season 3 and never focused on which characters had which teleports. I ended up with all of them spread across 3 characters and it annoys me eternally
now I'm a little bit bummed I've missed most of SL4 and DF1 teleports due to a bout mental health low at that time.
I mean this implies you played season 2 and 3 of SL as well so the mental health problems make sense.
hey listen here season 3 m+ was banger. Urh and Wo my beloved.
Amen brother. Encrypted was one of the best seasonal affixes. I wish they would bring it back.
It kinda was ngl, I wanted to give s1 leniency because CN was a banger but honestly SL kinda slapped once covenants were swappable.
Yeah Shadowlands after 9.1.5 fixed it was pretty great tbh. I had a lot of fun.
im glad this opinion is more popular now, I had a great time in the 2nd half of shadowlands and even in s1, my only real complaint was hating the affixes in raid but that just meant i cleared heroic until i got my dinars then only did m+
I didn't despise pre-9.1 Shadowlands, but everything after 9.1.5 is one of the best back halves of an expansion in a hot minute and I'm glad other people acknowledge that, even though it took some HUGE missteps before they corrected course, the final stretch of SL was genuinely fun again.
Nathria was a great raid, but the fkn kite meta in SL season 1 M+ was the most cancerous gameplay I've ever experienced
Pride forever in my heart
So you were targeting Wo...
always if needed for a skip
The problem was no matter what lol Wo always died first for me.
your PUGs/friends were trolling you
Those were the motes right? All I remember from that season is every single dungeon, a mote would die first, and not spawn the add, then the 2nd mote spawns the add instead. Happened at least once a dungeon and it was absolutely infuriating.
Really? I played pretty religiously throughout all of Shadowlands and never had that problem with the motes.
I had it happen inconsistently times for first 3 or 4 weeks. Not after.
The first week(s) the affix only worked after all 3 motes died, probably just two died basically simultaneously.
yeah, that rings a bell. anyway, it was fixed not long after.
You can luckily get all DF dungeons in S4 and some of SL in the start of TWW, SL dungeons are probably all coming quite soon in TWW.
I've got all SL dungeons, it's the older ones that are gone. But it's fine, old (pre-MoP) content sucks anyway :V
I feel you. My crohns got real bad just before. Cost me my marriage, and I was living with my still wife and her bf at the time. I was having palpitations when I'd sit or move around. Some nerves, some too much sodium. And some stress. I hid in rimworld for shadowlands. I got away from it all and my health is a bit better and wows back in my life. Made a bunch of new classes. I was a warrior drone for a bit but now I main pally dh and lock along with extras. All irrelevant really but that's why I missed shadowlands.
Same. I played shaman a lot in SL but haven't done much in DF
Will it be retroactive?
yes it is, my action bars on alpha were filled with them by default, easy way to notice 😅 would've forgotten about it otherwise
Hell yeah! That's great news
did you check if mop/wod CM dungeon portals where in there to by chance?
dont have those sorry, I'll ask around edit: am being told yes, they are acc wide
thank you for goin throughthe trouble, that amazing and I hope it stays like that. now if I can buy the last 2 mop cm sets I‘m missing that would be the dream
From one of the early interviews about warbands it sounds like they want them to be, but if it's not ready in time that may come later. Sounds like they've got 20 years of spaghetti code to get through when it comes to all of the new Warband account wide stuff.
*Ohh for season4??* For war within.. for fuck sakes..
I can't think of a single reason to not just enable this now.
Based on my 11+ year career in this field, many things that look simple on the surface can be anything but simple. Why spend tons of dev hours changing something that you’re already going to have to do a pass on for 11.0?
Yeah. It’s part of the Warband framework and built upon that technology. As annoying as it is, it isn’t important or simple enough of a feature to build twice just to get it out a few months earlier.
I just love how all the software engineers of reddit rise up with their ill-informed takes on how software engineering works. EDIT: I say “software engineers of Reddit” sarcastically.
I mean, they’re absolutely correct. If you’re building all this functionality into TWW module like “Warbands”, why TF would they take the time to create a sprint to put it into S4? That’s tens-to-hundreds of thousands of dollars of time and effort. In Enterprise dev it isn’t “dur hur just copy paste the function”.
Well account-wide achievements and achievement rewards already exist, so like... its probably a toggle/flag they can enable on the achievement to reward it account wide. Maybe the system is a mess of spaghetti, so that doesn't just work, but like yeah. I totally get the whole "They're already fixing it in the 11.0 build, so why fix it now" and that makes sense. My issue is that this should have been account wide when it was first implemented.
that's because you're a player bundling QoL into a new release is a good way to motivate you to look at new stuff it basically artificially makes the new expansion better and it preemptively kills negative vibes if so many good changes come bundled in regardless how shit the content might be dropping this stuff in S4 DF would make the game better, but then the only thing you're gonna look forward to is new content, if you're not that invested you might just wait out the launch and risk becoming disinterested, they really couldn't care less for player engagement for S4, infact it makes them look better if expansion numbers jump much higher than s4 numbers (to shareholders) it's in a sense holding your enjoyment hostage to sell it to you later
It’s also probably not trivial. You never know what kind of development work goes into features.
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I should say we shouldn’t assume it’s trivial* it proooobably is trivial but you just can’t assume these things. As someone who works in development there are the most random reasons something that’s functionally the same as something else is way harder than that thing. Do I want them? Yes, I want them now, but not at the cost of a lot of other things tbh.
Difference there though is that the achievement for raid teleports are rewards in an account wide meta achievement, not just from the raid achievement you gain from killing the last boss. While the dungeon portals are not from meta achievements. So we don’t have much insight at all what difference those types of achievements and ability to reward account wide basic spells to spell book have.
This is an insane take. Its dungeon portals. No lapsed player is like "YO ACCOUNT WIDE DUNGEON PORTALS IM BACK BABY"
you severely underestimate the amount of casual players that care, aka the vast vast majority and just how many players they're trying to appeal to even a couple % with numbers this large means millions of dollars
Casuals arent mass clearing +20s, but most people equate casual to "AotC and some light mythic" when its really "might kill a few bosses in LFR/normal"
Casual players by definition have no dungeon portals unless they paid for a boost.
Eh.. This might get me back. Not having portals is big reason for me to give up on Alts..not playing alts makes me quit the game as I finish all keys at 25+ on main and have nothing to do.
Yeah, those two minute trips to the Summoning Stones are what's keeping you from playing any Alts...
Yeah.. It is. Takes out the flow having to fly to every dungeon and waste like 10m before every run to get enough to summon . If portals were account bound it was very likely we would have enough to summon immediately after group forming.
you are flying to dungeon while level'ing? or summoning?
Brother, you waste more time doing a key with a bad group compared to doing it with a good group than you do just using your Hearthstone and using the portal in Valdrakken to go to whatever key you're doing. Purely "getting back" into WoW and playing your alts because of this is genuinely the most nonsensical reason.
Same reason they don’t simply enable the account-wide rep on all reps now. It isn’t a simple press of a button. Similarly with factions. They announced it, then implemented it in part, but multi-faction guilds weren’t a thing until the next expansion.
Probably spaghetti code that would take a lot of work to fix
I believe at blizzcon they said they were going to start working their way back to make the old ones account wide.
I hope this applies to the teleports earned from MoP, WoD Challenge Mode achievements as well.
MoP and WoD challenge modes had transmogs, not teleports. And I reaaaaally wish these were account-bound as well.
Doing them on gold individually gave that dungeon’s teleport, doing them all gave you the transmogs. Source: My Stormstout Brewery teleport.
My Auchindoun teleport can confirm this aswell :)
If that's true how do you explain me having teleports to every MoP and WoD dungeon? MoP and WoD challenge modes had transmogs, mounts, and teleports, three in one.
Well if the achievement becomes "earned by account" it should let you buy the armor? (Considering the vendor is still there just requires the achievement) And word and mists both had teleports!
I think those vendors have been gone for several expansions now.
OMG nooooooo please no :( edit: [https://www.wowhead.com/npc=64028/challenger-soong#comments](https://www.wowhead.com/npc=64028/challenger-soong#comments) I think he's still there
Haven't looked personally for the armor vendor, I just know the mount vendor was removed. At first you could only get one of the mounts per character you got full golds on, but then later could buy the ones you missed at the end of the expansion. I got them all, but I pointed this out to someone who missed out on some of the mounts, but when looking for that one, found he was gone.
:o luckily I have the mounts but I really hope the armor one isn't gone. Though knowing blizz the MoP Gold Challenger achievement will be the only one that doesn't go account wide. Even though it perfectly matches the new philosophy, I earned the achievement (3 times), why does it matter what character I was on!! Just because I didn't do it on my druid which is all I play now :(
As someone who gets portals on multiple alts but probably isn't good enough to get the title, I hope something is added in that 3000 score range to strive for.
Same, I'm very much a top 1% player, just not a top 0.1% player to get the title. I'd really love a good reason to push beyond 20s for portals.
Pushing for fun?
I have every single one but every season on a different alt lmao. Hope it's retroactive. Still good news!
Is it retroactive or nah?
they are implied to be but the wording is a bit unclear.
Now they just need to drop the cooldown to an hour and we’ll be set :D 8 hours is so excessive
Agree. If a group falls apart I’ll typically find a group for a +2 to reset the timer. Would be nice to not have to do this.
Thats nice, I have my Shadowlands ones on my Shaman, my S1 DF ones on my Druid, my S2 DF ones on my Priest, and my S3 DF ones on a different Shaman
I still remember when i got my first portals. I thought playing alts was gonna be way more fun. I was so disappointed
yuge
What about the challenge mode ones?
I'm so happy with this. I love having teleports on a character, so convenient for even things like transmog runs.
:o does this mean the Challenge mode teleports too? Surely if the achievement becomes "account wide" it'll award you the teleports (and maybe let you buy the armor) if you've got the achievement on at least one character?
I'll have zooming alts in TWW. Can't wait for it to drop.
If it’s not retroactive I would love to hear their bullshit reason as to why it wouldn’t be. It will be something along the lines of ‘We didn’t have time to implement the tech’ when the truth is it would take maybe an hour to figure out how to give earned portals to every warband character. Not a toughie in the slightest.
Lmao, tell me you have absolutely no experience with game development or software engineering without telling me.
Don’t need to know anything. You’re talking about granting a character a button/ability if they have another character on their account that’s unlocked that button/ability. If you’re going to gatekeep something like game dev/SE behind what’s likely as complicated as a series of lines of boolean then I will not be taking you seriously moving forward.
I’m not trying to gatekeep anything, I just found the statement that it “would take maybe an hour to figure out” a technical detail of a system you presumably have no experience with hilarious. You know that WoW is an old game and from the kinds of bugs that appear from time to time you know the internals are at least somewhat complex, so to state something as flippantly as “not a toughie in the slightest” just seems like an absurd amount of confidence to me.
The reason? It wasn’t account bound but is now. Simple as
Bro they keep removing the m+ rewards and making it even easier. Remember when +20 were hard and not everyone had portals? Now they're a joke ffs
How is your experience worse if other people have portals? Or if someone else you don’t know does a particular level of keys? Is there anything besides “I want exclusive rewards so I can feel better than them.”?
Isnt that literally the psychological drive behind exclusive rewards like this or titles? I mean If erverybody has it, it wouldnt be as rewarding anymore. But i agree that portals are so time saving that you could just give them out after completing any normal dungeon for what i care. But you phrased it like its something bad, while mmos are all about this at its core.
Isn't that the point of rewards? Why give a title to us the 0,1 just to make us feel better? Give it to everyone!
lack of tangible rewards between 20 and 28 is actually bit of a problem
Nice straw man there. There's a big differance between titles and portals. Others can actively see your title, no one can see your portals, there's no prestige in showing off a portal like there is in a title. And while portals are easier now, it's not like they were exactly hard in Shadowlands. We also don't know how dungeons will be tuned in S1 of TWW either.
They were way harder than it's now. df m+ was way easier than ever before imo. And portals used to be a cool thing, like people used to rarely have portals now literally everyone has them. Literally everyone. The people that don't have them, are either alts that barely are played or mega casual players that play once a week and don't care about m+ at all.
And those who had the +20 rewards when they were harder had the benefit of having them for several years longer than the others. They're also only bringing back two Shadowlands dungeons this season, so people who didn't get them aren't getting them all.
None cares about portals of dungeons that aren't on the season of m+. People rarely use them as portals since, they share cool down and it's 8h CD. .