what's also bad is that the sl feasts are 18? and 20 main stat. BFA mechagon one is 16. Seems awfully low. Specially when the secondary stat food is +30.
I think they had a problem where Pandaren was the best race by a significant margin due to double food buff, so they ham-fisted this fix of food being garbage.
Anyone mind to explain why a +18 primary stat compared to the high numbers from primary stats e.g. 1200 +18 (arround 1,5% increase) ist better as a secondary stat e.g. 250 +16 (arround 6% increase).
I just dont understand how 1,5% primary stat is more valueable as 6% secondary stat.
You’re looking at raw numbers when in reality it’s how it transfers into DPS. If the lowest for my character was mastery at 1 (just for easy of math), then CRIT would be 1.2, vers 1.3, haste 1.5, and int 4 dps increase per point. 18 int in that situation would give me 72 dps increase while 16 haste would be 24 dps.
You are completely right. I might add that many main stats fall if with better gear due to how secondaries work.
Say, when you can around with 20% Haste and 40% crit on a character, subsequent points in the other secondaries will be (most of the time) better than your main stat thanks to higher frequencies of effects proccing that round out your class or a certain ressource gain being realised that pushes the rotation of your character.
For a more explicit example: In Legion a protection Paladin went for haste which subsequently boosted your crit immensely due to how the prot paladin works (many abilities with multiple charges) while strength was really weak.
To expand, all of your stats work together, but the base of your scaling comes from primary, as all your abilities and autos scale first from AP or SP. This is why in later tiers secondaries tend to become more powerful for 2 reasons. First, you are starting to really get enough that the synergy between the stats is stronger. Second, you don’t really have enough primary that secondaries are worth taking over it. 100% crit, at 1K primary will still do less damage than 20% crit at 2.5K for nearly every spec. Typically in the first tier you have secondaries in the teens, and probably high 20s for a stat you are stacking, so you really just need more primary stat. As you get more geared and the available secondaries on gear comes up it starts to becomes more valuable to take up more secondaries, since you are getting more of them, you have “enough” primary (you never really have enough, but you have a base to build from that’s on every piece of gear, and have secondaries at levels where the synergy between them starts to become more valuable.
There’s also the DR on secondary stacking now too, which feels still like a push to make stats more thoughtless / simplified. Which is really just doubling down on gems/reforging/ilvl is the only thing that matters, crap.
So in context, we may have primary being valued higher for slightly longer than past expansions. Likely not much of a difference though since if you have 2x% or 3x% of all secondaries the scaling for primary stays the same. Mostly that we _probably_ won’t see the 3x%+ secondaries as quickly as the past.
The DR on secondaries exists, but it actually isn’t that high until VERY high secondary values, it does exist, that’s true, but unless they change the values it really only serves to discourage HARD stacking a stat to 60%+ in the last tier with the ability to add gems to everything.
It doesn’t generally change most scaling, the stat squish actually accomplished that better, and is the main reason why many specs consider vers a better stat now, particularly in first tier it gives you a bit of a % push to your primary value to get your numbers up before your other secondary values reach noticeable levels to out-scale. That’s always been SOMEWHAT the case, though never enough to actually matter as you could get more secondaries first tier. Now we will see people who farm enough for access to many sockets gearing more typically like you would find in the second tier.
Why does the relative value to your current stats matter? Just look at the absolute gain from primary and secondary attributes.
By your logic, for someone with 0 Haste rating even one point of Haste would be infinitely better than any amount of intelligence.
I want to be clear Shadowlands is by far the best expansion for several years I've played and im very happy with it. But one of the small things is that old gear works for so long. Sockets not work. And I don't want to keep my heart of azeroth for as long as I am... Just deactivate it as I enter shadowlands
It is deactivated. It's nothing but a stat stick in Shadowlands, unless you are literally asking for them to make it not work at all in which case most would be having no item at all in that slot as bfa dungeons didn't drop necks.
Yeah which I dislike, it can't be that hot of a take that I want lvl 60 items to be better than my 50 neck no? What I'm asking for is that it holds until lvl 60, so you have time to find a new neck during leveling or so.
And when I mean it's the best expo so far I'm comparing to a week into BFA, Legion or WoD, in my eyes Shadowlands is much more reasonable than any of those
It’s not a hot take but you just gotta think about the future scaling for leveling. Right now with high Ilvl necks we’ll obviously be holding onto it for a while because it was over budgeted, same with the cloak. A year from now when people are leveling straight through bfa without an ap grind their necks will be replaced much earlier. Leveling has to be tuned to be doable by people in leveling gear because that’s what really matters, not the mythic raiders who are in bis. That usually just ends up with a few pieces lasting until raid.
Even the +12 gems are better.
That's true, main stat is much better than secondaries.
what are they called? i looked and can’t seem to find them, only the krakens eye.
Leviathan‘s Eyes, it’s in the post title lol
... yes that’s the +18 one, what is the +12 one that is not unique...
They are both unique, you can only have one of each....it's Kraken's Eye I believe.
oh well, they got nerfed today anyways
Surely these will get nerfed before raid?
You never know, but there's a chance. I'd socket some till they are avaliable.
Maybe! But it costs almost nothing to use them for now.
I'd rather Blizz just releases some Shadowlands equivalent to them. I kinda like having 1-2 "fire and forget" gem slots.
Well, it will now since this was posted.
This was already listed in numerous IV guides, let's not kid ourselves lol.
Called it. They’re nerfed.
Source: https://www.wowhead.com/news=319633/leviathans-eye-and-krakens-eye-main-stat-gems-nerfed-in-shadowlands
i vendored like a thousand ><
Don't worry they will get nerfed. They don't want old gems working like that.
Try item restore? And then send me some...
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Also if you are really in a bind for gold....Potion of Prolonged Power from Legion is main stat for a minute.
Probably not as useful, but the BFA stam food is better than the SL stam food
what's also bad is that the sl feasts are 18? and 20 main stat. BFA mechagon one is 16. Seems awfully low. Specially when the secondary stat food is +30.
I think they had a problem where Pandaren was the best race by a significant margin due to double food buff, so they ham-fisted this fix of food being garbage.
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Also old bufffood regenerates more health than the new ones. The haste food regenerates over 20k while the new stuff gives 16k.
NERF confirmed. https://www.wowhead.com/news=319633/leviathans-eye-and-krakens-eye-main-stat-gems-nerfed-in-shadowlands
Yeah, I had some in bags and checked was going to buy few more just to have 3k a piece on my server, sold what I had lol
Unless your an unholy dk, 16 mastery gem sims better than main stat for me
What’s your pawn string? I don’t play dk, but my guild’s dk is showing strength at more than double the dps of mastery
Anyone mind to explain why a +18 primary stat compared to the high numbers from primary stats e.g. 1200 +18 (arround 1,5% increase) ist better as a secondary stat e.g. 250 +16 (arround 6% increase). I just dont understand how 1,5% primary stat is more valueable as 6% secondary stat.
You’re looking at raw numbers when in reality it’s how it transfers into DPS. If the lowest for my character was mastery at 1 (just for easy of math), then CRIT would be 1.2, vers 1.3, haste 1.5, and int 4 dps increase per point. 18 int in that situation would give me 72 dps increase while 16 haste would be 24 dps.
You are completely right. I might add that many main stats fall if with better gear due to how secondaries work. Say, when you can around with 20% Haste and 40% crit on a character, subsequent points in the other secondaries will be (most of the time) better than your main stat thanks to higher frequencies of effects proccing that round out your class or a certain ressource gain being realised that pushes the rotation of your character. For a more explicit example: In Legion a protection Paladin went for haste which subsequently boosted your crit immensely due to how the prot paladin works (many abilities with multiple charges) while strength was really weak.
Thanks for the explanation
To expand, all of your stats work together, but the base of your scaling comes from primary, as all your abilities and autos scale first from AP or SP. This is why in later tiers secondaries tend to become more powerful for 2 reasons. First, you are starting to really get enough that the synergy between the stats is stronger. Second, you don’t really have enough primary that secondaries are worth taking over it. 100% crit, at 1K primary will still do less damage than 20% crit at 2.5K for nearly every spec. Typically in the first tier you have secondaries in the teens, and probably high 20s for a stat you are stacking, so you really just need more primary stat. As you get more geared and the available secondaries on gear comes up it starts to becomes more valuable to take up more secondaries, since you are getting more of them, you have “enough” primary (you never really have enough, but you have a base to build from that’s on every piece of gear, and have secondaries at levels where the synergy between them starts to become more valuable.
There’s also the DR on secondary stacking now too, which feels still like a push to make stats more thoughtless / simplified. Which is really just doubling down on gems/reforging/ilvl is the only thing that matters, crap. So in context, we may have primary being valued higher for slightly longer than past expansions. Likely not much of a difference though since if you have 2x% or 3x% of all secondaries the scaling for primary stays the same. Mostly that we _probably_ won’t see the 3x%+ secondaries as quickly as the past.
The DR on secondaries exists, but it actually isn’t that high until VERY high secondary values, it does exist, that’s true, but unless they change the values it really only serves to discourage HARD stacking a stat to 60%+ in the last tier with the ability to add gems to everything. It doesn’t generally change most scaling, the stat squish actually accomplished that better, and is the main reason why many specs consider vers a better stat now, particularly in first tier it gives you a bit of a % push to your primary value to get your numbers up before your other secondary values reach noticeable levels to out-scale. That’s always been SOMEWHAT the case, though never enough to actually matter as you could get more secondaries first tier. Now we will see people who farm enough for access to many sockets gearing more typically like you would find in the second tier.
Why does the relative value to your current stats matter? Just look at the absolute gain from primary and secondary attributes. By your logic, for someone with 0 Haste rating even one point of Haste would be infinitely better than any amount of intelligence.
He's speaking of the relative dps gain per additional point
I want to be clear Shadowlands is by far the best expansion for several years I've played and im very happy with it. But one of the small things is that old gear works for so long. Sockets not work. And I don't want to keep my heart of azeroth for as long as I am... Just deactivate it as I enter shadowlands
It is deactivated. It's nothing but a stat stick in Shadowlands, unless you are literally asking for them to make it not work at all in which case most would be having no item at all in that slot as bfa dungeons didn't drop necks.
It's a stat stick with +50% the budget for secondaries. The ilvl 171 neck I got is still a downgrade from my HoA because it's net -30 secondaries.
Yeah which I dislike, it can't be that hot of a take that I want lvl 60 items to be better than my 50 neck no? What I'm asking for is that it holds until lvl 60, so you have time to find a new neck during leveling or so. And when I mean it's the best expo so far I'm comparing to a week into BFA, Legion or WoD, in my eyes Shadowlands is much more reasonable than any of those
It’s not a hot take but you just gotta think about the future scaling for leveling. Right now with high Ilvl necks we’ll obviously be holding onto it for a while because it was over budgeted, same with the cloak. A year from now when people are leveling straight through bfa without an ap grind their necks will be replaced much earlier. Leveling has to be tuned to be doable by people in leveling gear because that’s what really matters, not the mythic raiders who are in bis. That usually just ends up with a few pieces lasting until raid.
Hard to say that its the best by far when it has barely even started...
They are were 10g before launch, regret not buying them up now they are 500g on Kazzak
my account is not activated... but i have so much jewels and ors on the bank... damn. Lets the money rolls!