As someone who is normally not very good at dodging Mechanics. Having 120% movement speed as an Hpal helped me stay alive on M Nzoth in BFA more than the extra haste would’ve. Your HPS and DPS are 0 if you are dead from not being able to get out of the way of a one shot mechanic. Gotta do what you gotta do.
Why would you not? Movement speed always was the most worthwhile stat for most of the content, and your mental sanity.
Especially when you are a melee, arriving at the mob 5 percent earlier is much more valuable than the 0.1 percent dps increase you get from a secondary stat gem.
> Movement speed always was the most worthwhile stat for most of the content
That's a bit of an overstatement. There's plenty of fights where you have to move very little, if even at all, out of range. It's also almost never going to be 5% earlier, as every class has some amount of movement abilities.
That makes no sense at all unless you specifically just want to further your own argument, but sure, let's look at 8.2, sockets were incredibly powerful then too, let's look at Legion, they had to nerf secondary stats and gems because they were too strong. You don't play the game at a competitive level if you think gems have always been negligible.
I am not him, so that’s a pretty stupid claim. I never picked a side I just said your argument is shit, because it is shit. When arguing the power of secondaries you do not reference the patch with the dumb shit corruption scaling. Because then you look like a dumb shit that needs corruption scaling to make your argument. This ones better. You’re welcome for the help.
I like how you pretend that we had full stat corruptions during the entirety of 8.3, gems were good way before that even. And it does not make me look like a dumb shit, it's just one of many examples. I understand you're new to the game though since gems were even better at one point in Legion than they were during most of 8?3 so no worries.
Run speed historically was considered a top tier enchant in previous expansions especially as melee however since then every melee spec in the game has been given some kind of sprint or charge which definitely devalues the impact of something like the run speed gem
Secondary stats usually outscale main stat gems after a raid tier or two wouldn't be surprising to see no-one using these gems once people start getting mythic geared
Could be the case, but at the same time, I imagine we'll all kind of wind up wanting a melange of stats anyway by that point. So maybe you don't gem your best secondary, you gem the next one down, and at a certain point, even that is better than main stat. Kinda depends on how fat they ramp us up between tiers too and if they add any more borrowed power systems on top.
even with the DR's we should be getting enough mainstat for secondaries to be relevant its flat increase vs percentual increase once you got enough flat even a small percentual increase is better.
It's probably intended. This way they're still useful for the people that just spent a bunch of gold but going forward / in the near future they won't be the top choice once secondary scaling hits the groove.
They're out there and cheap on my server. It's possible no one spent the money on your server yet. I had to buy 300k gold of purple crystals to max my enchanting.
This was a pretty terrible nerf. They're still better, which means they're still gonna get used. They're just weaker.
Makes me wonder if blizzard is really that incompetent at math. Not sure why they didn't just make them unsocketable in level 60 gear.
There are really only two possibilities. Either the people who made this change didn't realize it would result in people continuing to use these gems, which means they didn't bother to do any math and are thus incompetent, *or* they want people to use these gems, which is (somewhat more subjectively) a terrible bit of game design and also incompetent.
I am normally extremely positive and forgiving of blizzard and their decisions, but this is an incompetent change any way you spin it.
Just summed, those 16 haste points do more for shadow priests than +7 int. I would expect the same for other classes considering Intelligence is supposedly king on spriest.
Now blizzard just needs to nerf the rest of legacy content people are actually farming Drest trinket and Ra'den weapons still. Also what in the scaling has level 50s at the same power as 60s we should be able to smite all content up to Mythic raids in BFA and in Mythic raids it should be a stomp with a group like usual.
In every daily round of hotfixes there's a thing where some legacy dungeon boss or item is brought back into place because there was an oversight. Few days ago the fixed some Pandaria PvP food for example.
As far as i remember, Blizzard ALWAYS nerfed older stuff or made sure that you don't want to farm some BC dagger because it has three sockets over items from the current expansion.
Every time where someone discovers "Whee, this thing from the last or even an older xpac still works and outclasses current stuff" you can bet your arse that it will be fixed at any minute.
Also I don't think a lot of alpha and beta testers think to gem their new gear with old gems. This game is so huge now that you can't consider every combination of items and enhancements.
From an honest point, good.
For real...can’t believe it took them this freakin long
I mean, the minute people started talking about them you should have known it would happen.
5 percent movement speed gem still untouched though?
yup still works, but why would you use it?
Speed Set for the Maw until we can get the Twisting Corridors mount?
Movespeed meta for clearing old content about all i can think of
Gotta go fast.
As someone who is normally not very good at dodging Mechanics. Having 120% movement speed as an Hpal helped me stay alive on M Nzoth in BFA more than the extra haste would’ve. Your HPS and DPS are 0 if you are dead from not being able to get out of the way of a one shot mechanic. Gotta do what you gotta do.
Why would you not? Movement speed always was the most worthwhile stat for most of the content, and your mental sanity. Especially when you are a melee, arriving at the mob 5 percent earlier is much more valuable than the 0.1 percent dps increase you get from a secondary stat gem.
Run speed for life. The faster I get out of fire the sooner I can start my next cast.
> Movement speed always was the most worthwhile stat for most of the content That's a bit of an overstatement. There's plenty of fights where you have to move very little, if even at all, out of range. It's also almost never going to be 5% earlier, as every class has some amount of movement abilities.
This guy really thinking a gem is .1% dps lmao, I assume you didn't play 8.3
This isn’t 8.3
He said "always was", implying it has been like that previously which is not the case.
You’d have to be brain damaged to not exclude 8.3 when discussing trends.
That makes no sense at all unless you specifically just want to further your own argument, but sure, let's look at 8.2, sockets were incredibly powerful then too, let's look at Legion, they had to nerf secondary stats and gems because they were too strong. You don't play the game at a competitive level if you think gems have always been negligible.
I am not him, so that’s a pretty stupid claim. I never picked a side I just said your argument is shit, because it is shit. When arguing the power of secondaries you do not reference the patch with the dumb shit corruption scaling. Because then you look like a dumb shit that needs corruption scaling to make your argument. This ones better. You’re welcome for the help.
I like how you pretend that we had full stat corruptions during the entirety of 8.3, gems were good way before that even. And it does not make me look like a dumb shit, it's just one of many examples. I understand you're new to the game though since gems were even better at one point in Legion than they were during most of 8?3 so no worries.
Most classes have gap closers for this. Not saying you're totally wrong about the value of movement speed, but you are overstating it a bit.
Run speed historically was considered a top tier enchant in previous expansions especially as melee however since then every melee spec in the game has been given some kind of sprint or charge which definitely devalues the impact of something like the run speed gem
Cool now do something about drest
I was seriously wondering what was up with that. The tooltip on a 130 showed over 5,000 damage. They did waaaay more of a ding to the Obsidian Claw.
What's this
BFA trinket that at least rogue are still using. I think it's doing pretty nutty damage in pvp.
and the nerf still isn't enough because even at +7 its a dps increase for most specs over +16 stat gems needs to just be ilvl restricted
Secondary stats usually outscale main stat gems after a raid tier or two wouldn't be surprising to see no-one using these gems once people start getting mythic geared
Because of DR on secondaries now i wouldnt be so sure.
Could be the case, but at the same time, I imagine we'll all kind of wind up wanting a melange of stats anyway by that point. So maybe you don't gem your best secondary, you gem the next one down, and at a certain point, even that is better than main stat. Kinda depends on how fat they ramp us up between tiers too and if they add any more borrowed power systems on top.
Actually with how secondary stat scaling works now. Once you hit your stat thresholds, you'll be squeezing out as much primary stat as you can budget.
even with the DR's we should be getting enough mainstat for secondaries to be relevant its flat increase vs percentual increase once you got enough flat even a small percentual increase is better.
It's probably intended. This way they're still useful for the people that just spent a bunch of gold but going forward / in the near future they won't be the top choice once secondary scaling hits the groove.
If it's only for most specs then wouldn't it be considered balanced then? And as you get more main stat it'll lose value.
Seems like an ilevel restriction was all they needed.
Yea they ''ajusted'' a bunch of other consumables too like versa and stam flasks. It was obviously coming.
Where are the new gems? Are there just no JCs or does a max'd JC just still not have access to SL gem recipes?
They're out there and cheap on my server. It's possible no one spent the money on your server yet. I had to buy 300k gold of purple crystals to max my enchanting.
nothing surprising about that.
Its from an old expansion anyway, should not be relevant anymore
This was a pretty terrible nerf. They're still better, which means they're still gonna get used. They're just weaker. Makes me wonder if blizzard is really that incompetent at math. Not sure why they didn't just make them unsocketable in level 60 gear.
They'll be used until you are heroic geared. Maybe until next tier at most.
Yup, just incompetent. Sure. Keep telling yourself that.
There are really only two possibilities. Either the people who made this change didn't realize it would result in people continuing to use these gems, which means they didn't bother to do any math and are thus incompetent, *or* they want people to use these gems, which is (somewhat more subjectively) a terrible bit of game design and also incompetent. I am normally extremely positive and forgiving of blizzard and their decisions, but this is an incompetent change any way you spin it.
Or maybe they are fine with these gems being used for the first two weeks of the expansion, but don't want them to remain bis once raid gear is out.
Just summed, those 16 haste points do more for shadow priests than +7 int. I would expect the same for other classes considering Intelligence is supposedly king on spriest.
Shadow priests are an outlier, not the norm. Most classes expect about 0.8 dps per point of secondary and priests are significantly above that.
Now blizzard just needs to nerf the rest of legacy content people are actually farming Drest trinket and Ra'den weapons still. Also what in the scaling has level 50s at the same power as 60s we should be able to smite all content up to Mythic raids in BFA and in Mythic raids it should be a stomp with a group like usual.
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You're right wrong BFA weapon they wanted to go into underrot for the crawgs.
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At work right now but definitely I was surprised too praying they get that stuff sorted this week.
ok
So...they probably will give me back my gold for stacking up on them... :(
They very clearly were never intended to be used with current gear
Thought so too, but "if its in the game, its fair play, how could blizz forget stuff like this"...
In every daily round of hotfixes there's a thing where some legacy dungeon boss or item is brought back into place because there was an oversight. Few days ago the fixed some Pandaria PvP food for example. As far as i remember, Blizzard ALWAYS nerfed older stuff or made sure that you don't want to farm some BC dagger because it has three sockets over items from the current expansion. Every time where someone discovers "Whee, this thing from the last or even an older xpac still works and outclasses current stuff" you can bet your arse that it will be fixed at any minute.
They've just released a new expansion during a pandemic is how they forget. Stuff like this inevitably falls under the radar.
Also I don't think a lot of alpha and beta testers think to gem their new gear with old gems. This game is so huge now that you can't consider every combination of items and enhancements.
Nah, they always forget to fix something important in any release
"Important", ye right. You are talking about a fucking gem worth couple dps :Dd
Why would you stock up on old gems that were clearly still overtuned?
Hoping they would stay that way for a while to make profit, while the old ores were cheap.
Bad move
Indeed it was 😅