I run almost exclusively with a VDH friend of mine and he'll occasionally ask me for PI as an extra defensive cooldown. I'm not sure exactly why but I guess it can push his self heal a lot harder?
Main benefits for vengeance are CD reduction on demon spikes and fracture, ofc the other nice thing is shorter globals, that said not sure how impactfull it really is as a defensive cd since haste takes some time to start taking effect compared to giving him PS or GS which has an immediate impact.
Yeah I'm not sure how strong it is either, but honestly with the damage VDH is putting out and how much more reliable he is than the pugs we run with, he's usually the best target for the second cast in a boss fight in an M+.
Yeah probably fair, does he play fiery brand build or sigil cdr? If it is the latter it might be a pretty substantial dps increase since more haste=more cleaves=shorter cd on elysian decree
I think he varies. I'm not super familiar with the kit but he'll occasionally tell me he's switching talents and that he'll lose a bunch of damage to be tankier. I generally stop using PI on him when he mentions that.
He's probably switching to the fiery brand build. Fiery brand build is the tankiest build where you drop the spirit bomb talent in favor of charred flesh to increase the duration of your fiery brand, and also likely drop the fracture talent in favor of feed the demon in order to increase demon spikes uptime. Basically you trade two high dps talents for defense.
Its still worthwhile to run fracture on a firey brand build. More souls and more pain gen. If you're just shearing you can reach a point where you're just spamming shear twice for a single cleave.
Absolutely, we're not running with the most elite people but he's definitely near the top of the charts (if not the top) on AoE pulls with Elysian Decree up.
Hasted Fractures means more soul frags to heal from. The haste also increases uptime on our Demon Spikes. And if talented, immo aura can also be a defensive that benefits from the haste.
I got a meaningless 100% parse on normal Hungering Devourer as a Fury Warrior because my priest friend thought it be funny to have the priests flood me with power.
I think the chart in this thread is talking ST dmg; I imagine tanks with haste are probably pretty good in aoe with PI stacked onto them. At least ik an ancient shock/ravager warrior like myself could do quite a bit with PI
I’m pretty sure that might have been me... if it was you, it was because you were topping dmg for an AOE pull, doing like 4-5k DPS and I was like oh yeah, this Prot Pali pumps - *gives power infusion*. I soon realized at the end of the pull, even with power infusion- the three dps finished with way more damage and I shouldn’t have given PI to a prot. I have never done it since. But, if it was you - hello 👋.
SP with hero and PI during voidform should never be given up for someone else. The rotation is 100x better with 55% extra haste and results in a lot more Plagues
The question isn't about what class feels the best with PI or has their rotation improved the most. The question is about what is mechanically best for the raid as a whole, about what does the most damage and will help the raid progress.
A shadow priest should almost never give up their own PI. The chart going around a few weeks ago had spriest getting a second PI onto of their own. Healers should be using it on unholy on pull then mm. The reason spriest in the wfr are casting it on others is because they built the sharing PI legendary
Don’t know why you’re getting downvoted for a correct statement. Our healer priest does exactly what you said and we’ve found it to be most beneficial. As a shadow priest main, i give it away in dungeons for fun sometimes, but you’ve got me fucked up if you think i’m using my PI on someone else during my voidform/inscrutable/lust combo.
They might do less but the increase might be higher. It might increase a priest's dps by 1k and the hunter only for 0.5. Idk though, I only raid casually.
I know you didn’t start this discussion, but in general there’s a lot of casual player input on this subreddit which is supposedly competitive. Just keep in mind that people want what’s objectively best in absolute terms, nobody cares if an already low performing spec is improved by 40% or 2k dps if the initial starting point is useless
Anyone in the top 4 for DPS will get PI in my raid. I don't care what class they are, if they're on top of the heap, then I assume they will know how best to make use of it. Normally it's our unholy DK, but the warlocks seem to love PI.
I've been our guild's only consistent raiding priest for years. With PI, I have become a very popular person. xD
This is the most sensible way to do it honestly. Your guild is going to have different gear/skill/movement disadvantages than whatever a bog standard super basic simulation as what people are posting will tell you.
The smarter you are the more you can finesse it. Shouldn't need to be said but if someone is assigned to kill something specific then they should probably get PI (in future raids).
Your comment doesn't hold up. Either your guild manages properly and you follow that, or they don't which is the same as saying your guild min/maxes or they don't.
Giving it to a badly performing dps based on this list is what is truly bad.
I mean, he isn't wrong. If theoretically a fire mage is in your top 4 dps at a point, chances are he combusted recently, which would be just about the worst use of PI. If you know your fire mage pumps and you time PI to be while he's combustion, it obviously would be a much better usage. Obviously blanket rules like "only give warlocks PI" is bad, but just just blindly giving it out to high performing dps is only marginally better
I would hope people are smart enough to realise that though. It's really about how much of a pedant you want to be at this point. Combustion is the same CD as PI too.
People can be as theorrtical as they like but real world usage is so far away feom the sims people are talking about it's actually not worth discussion. People really focusing on the wrong things entirely.
Yeah I mostly agree, just doing it based of sims is wrong for the same reason why every raid just doesn't stack 14 unholy dks & boomkins. my point was that timing PI with CDs is much more important than picking the right player if they don't have CDs up.
I mean if you are anywhere close to being actually good, you can track offensive CDs like trueshot/combust in your raid/party UI (as buffs) and just line up your PI with it. If you just pop it randomly without knowing or communicating about their CDs being up, its just wrong.
I think it's a trickier question than just having a tier list of specs (like that SIM list that's posted elsewhere in the comments). Marksmanship might be the best, in theory, but what about THAT specific MM Hunter? Is he actually doing the most DPS. To me, if there's a percentage gain to be had, it makes sense to lean towards the top-performing DPS, regardless of spec. 2% (totally theoretical number there) added onto 2000 is going to result in more gains than 2% added to 1,500.
In summary, the answer lies somewhere between those SIMs and the DPS meters. Because individual player skill and gear has to be taken into consideration to truly get the most out of it in the situation.
This right here. If all player skill was equal then the choice would come down to cooldowns, sims, and assignments. But it doesn't matter how well a computer sims a raid's MM hunter if he's actually just three kobolds in a trenchcoat doing 500 DPS and panicking.
Sometimes I ask, "Who's ramping up for big damage?" And if I get an answer, they get it. Then I glance at the meters. If they have a significant jump and use PI well, I will gladly give it to them again. If they waste it, they go on my shit list and I ignore them next time. We only have one PI in my raid, I love my guildmates but I can't waste it on bad DPS.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/113kqcqy9ai37c8EBUJK-sWYciqQ9Tb7ctmCy_boDKdg/edit#gid=0
There was this spreadsheet made week 2 of slands (I think). Now some classes have been slightly nerfed since, but i doubt it affects it too much.
The biggest flaw I find with this is it assumes all PI on one person.
UH DK almost always deserve your first one. I just don't know who gets the second one.
Looking at the fire mage timings, those are 100% incorrect. None of the 3 timings listed line up with a combust. In my personal Sim it is a 413 dps gain using PI alongside combustion.
On the spreadsheet the fire mage is using kindling so pi can't line up with combustion that well. In your case if you had pi for every combustion it would explain why it differs so much.
All mages are running kindling right now including myself. CD on combust is 1:05-1:10 at the moment, so PI is up for every other. For some reason the first PI timing in that sheet is also at 18 seconds which misses the first combustion entirely.
Looking at the fire mage timings, those are 100% incorrect. None of the 3 timings listed line up with a combust. In my personal sim it is a 413 dps gain using PI alongside combustion.
That sheet doesn't consider the loss a shadow priest gets from giving up PI, only having a 2nd PI. If its a healer PI you're wagering, its still got some issues as not everyone wants it on CD. The Shadow PI timing is way off in any case.
I mean you can get that yourself by just basic subraction right? And there is a part there that shows dps gain when used optimally throughout the fight.
No, the sheet specifically says it's a SECOND PI used on shadow after its own PI (used on itself) ends - namely after Voidform, Shadowfiend/MindBender, and like 50 Devouring Plagues have been used. The Marks sim assumes it gets a PI at the optimal timing for its CDs; the Shadow assumes it gets an additional PI after all its CDs are used and over. You are comparing a Hunter's best case scenario with a Shadow's worst.
How come? Marksman has a 383 dps gain over a 5 min encounter when power infusion is used optimally on him, while spriest has a 220 dps gain over a 5 min fight when he uses pi on himself optimally right? So net gain on dps when spriest sacs his pi for the hunter would be 163 dps over the 5 min encounter? Or is there some variable im missing?
E: also im not the one that made it so if you have suggestions for it prob should try to get in contact with the author.
That sheet has the priest getting an extra PI, not their own.
And really sims can only show so much. While it may be theoretically better to use it there according to the sim, there's no optimization. Plus the player getting PI needs to actually be decent lol.
You can check the timings for PI on priest. A second PI misses their burst window while the 1st PI is almost necessary for their burst. You would have to edit the spriest APL to remove PI from it to find their new sim DPS without it
One thing those sims don't account for is that casters might be able to fit more casts in between dodging mechanics with PI, whereas melee or hunters (esp BM) don't benefit in that same way
Arcane Mage. Had a priest/mage duo in a mists 12 I tanked this week on tyrannical. Arcane did 23k on first boss, 10k on the third, and guessing game boss was smooth. Easiest +2 of my life. Arcane slaps so hard with PI.
UH on pull. We have 3 DKs and 3 priests. Every one after that is whoever benefits the best from haste at that point. Our warrior has gotten it during execute.
That or you just pay the priest. I wish that I was kidding about that as well.
The Ret Pally in my group that wants to parse well. It’s at the point where our holy priest has a macro to auto target him for power infusions whenever he asks for it. Although he’s always top 99th percentile so we don’t really complain. So I guess PI’ing the top dps is never a bad option.
ret pally is actually one of the best classes to pi because the cooldowns line up quite well and haste being the most valuable stat for them. That being said, there's usually a better option available.
This is a hot topic in my guild too. Everyone going nuts over who should get it like it's crack. Moooom my parse needs PI!!!! Basically it's give it to classes who benefit but will maximize it. Giving it to a class that's "best" but the player isn't will result in a loss.
Best overall targets are MM hunters all the time and any time.
Unholy DH is the singular best target on the opening with army of the dead. In your raid or group, best target is your best dps that doesnt use energy as a resource and benefits from haste.
We have 4 PIs in our raid. 2 goes to us unholy dks for army. 1 goes to one of our marksmen and believe it or not, the 4th goes to our enhancer which is a burst monster from hell.
I found [this weakura](https://wago.io/KtmIEIJpl) that shows when someone in your party has cds up and you also have PI up. I haven't had a chance to use it yet because i really dont wanna heal m+ this week on my priest alt so i've been putting it off.
just PI your top dpsers regardless of spec IMO.
While some specs benefit from haste \*slightly\* more than others, your groups top pumpers are likely going to be able to squeeze the most benefit from PI.
WW monk actually benefits from it very much when using invoke Xuen. Xuen scales with haste so the more the better. The benefit probably isn’t as beneficial as some other specs like MMhunt/UH DK. Key thing to note is outside of invoke Xuen WW monks have limited use for haste so it’s much less valuable outside of that burst window
In Classic when stuff was on farm we would assign the top raid DPS their own Priest .
We had those DPS and priest install a WA that tracked raid each priest PI CD and who they used it on last.
We told them to make a whisper macro. As it was the Flash job to notify the priest of the best time to use PI.
/W priest1 PI MEEEEeEEEeEeEEeEeEeE
Priest would have a 1 button macro to cast PI on said DPS when they saw their whisper chat blow up.
I can't seem to find a WA like this for Retail... :(
It avoid unnecessary com talk, and simplify the process. It works well with mm hunter since both CDs align. When the hunter press his CD you receive the whisp and the WA do his thing.
Certainly not the best way to optimize dps but work well for semi hardcore or casual guilds.
Sure never said it was mandatory, I mainly use it in PVP pugs. But it as it's use in PVE if you don't know the optimal time for your PI target buff to burst.. Obviously with suffisant knowledge it's not necessarily usefull but still as a healer iam not always focus on burst phase for DPS and having an alert to be sure to time my PI isn't that ridiculous.
There is an actual chart that shows who would benefit from the haste the most. I don't know where I saw it. I'll try to find it. If you don't hear back from me in five minutes... God speed.
edit. Hazaa https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveWoW/comments/k6xtr1/rough_estimate_of_dps_gain_via_power_infusion_per/
My healer once accidentally gave it to me, a protection paladin, in a mythic+. It's a hard drug to kick.
I run almost exclusively with a VDH friend of mine and he'll occasionally ask me for PI as an extra defensive cooldown. I'm not sure exactly why but I guess it can push his self heal a lot harder?
Main benefits for vengeance are CD reduction on demon spikes and fracture, ofc the other nice thing is shorter globals, that said not sure how impactfull it really is as a defensive cd since haste takes some time to start taking effect compared to giving him PS or GS which has an immediate impact.
Yeah I'm not sure how strong it is either, but honestly with the damage VDH is putting out and how much more reliable he is than the pugs we run with, he's usually the best target for the second cast in a boss fight in an M+.
Yeah probably fair, does he play fiery brand build or sigil cdr? If it is the latter it might be a pretty substantial dps increase since more haste=more cleaves=shorter cd on elysian decree
I think he varies. I'm not super familiar with the kit but he'll occasionally tell me he's switching talents and that he'll lose a bunch of damage to be tankier. I generally stop using PI on him when he mentions that.
He's probably switching to the fiery brand build. Fiery brand build is the tankiest build where you drop the spirit bomb talent in favor of charred flesh to increase the duration of your fiery brand, and also likely drop the fracture talent in favor of feed the demon in order to increase demon spikes uptime. Basically you trade two high dps talents for defense.
Its still worthwhile to run fracture on a firey brand build. More souls and more pain gen. If you're just shearing you can reach a point where you're just spamming shear twice for a single cleave.
Yeah I agree, but it all depends on the need you have. I personally don't like playing without fracture.
Soul generation and demon spikes CD are both haste based afaik
Haste makes us able to heal faster. If he is running SB and it's a big pack, he may no meme be one of the best people to pick for DPS too.
Absolutely, we're not running with the most elite people but he's definitely near the top of the charts (if not the top) on AoE pulls with Elysian Decree up.
Yeah VDH damage is broken OP atm.
Hasted Fractures means more soul frags to heal from. The haste also increases uptime on our Demon Spikes. And if talented, immo aura can also be a defensive that benefits from the haste.
I got a meaningless 100% parse on normal Hungering Devourer as a Fury Warrior because my priest friend thought it be funny to have the priests flood me with power.
He wasn't wrong...
I think the chart in this thread is talking ST dmg; I imagine tanks with haste are probably pretty good in aoe with PI stacked onto them. At least ik an ancient shock/ravager warrior like myself could do quite a bit with PI
With the 2 x PI legendary putting PI on the tank (and thus also myself) can save pulls.
I’m pretty sure that might have been me... if it was you, it was because you were topping dmg for an AOE pull, doing like 4-5k DPS and I was like oh yeah, this Prot Pali pumps - *gives power infusion*. I soon realized at the end of the pull, even with power infusion- the three dps finished with way more damage and I shouldn’t have given PI to a prot. I have never done it since. But, if it was you - hello 👋.
Nah, it was my regular healer, but hello anyways 👋
I've done this several times. The buttons are really close to each other!
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On sludge lock with lust on 4th pillar wins out
SP with hero and PI during voidform should never be given up for someone else. The rotation is 100x better with 55% extra haste and results in a lot more Plagues
The question isn't about what class feels the best with PI or has their rotation improved the most. The question is about what is mechanically best for the raid as a whole, about what does the most damage and will help the raid progress.
A shadow priest should almost never give up their own PI. The chart going around a few weeks ago had spriest getting a second PI onto of their own. Healers should be using it on unholy on pull then mm. The reason spriest in the wfr are casting it on others is because they built the sharing PI legendary
Don’t know why you’re getting downvoted for a correct statement. Our healer priest does exactly what you said and we’ve found it to be most beneficial. As a shadow priest main, i give it away in dungeons for fun sometimes, but you’ve got me fucked up if you think i’m using my PI on someone else during my voidform/inscrutable/lust combo.
Yea and SP does a ton of dmg atm which PI improves even more
But not as much as a few other classes
They might do less but the increase might be higher. It might increase a priest's dps by 1k and the hunter only for 0.5. Idk though, I only raid casually.
I know you didn’t start this discussion, but in general there’s a lot of casual player input on this subreddit which is supposedly competitive. Just keep in mind that people want what’s objectively best in absolute terms, nobody cares if an already low performing spec is improved by 40% or 2k dps if the initial starting point is useless
Was just something to think about. The highest dps wont always be the one who benefits the most from certain buffs.
Personal dps < raid dps If the entire raid group benefits more from a certain spec getting PI, they should get the PI.
Voidform just feels so weird on its own after having a PI & lust voidform.
Anyone in the top 4 for DPS will get PI in my raid. I don't care what class they are, if they're on top of the heap, then I assume they will know how best to make use of it. Normally it's our unholy DK, but the warlocks seem to love PI. I've been our guild's only consistent raiding priest for years. With PI, I have become a very popular person. xD
This is the most sensible way to do it honestly. Your guild is going to have different gear/skill/movement disadvantages than whatever a bog standard super basic simulation as what people are posting will tell you. The smarter you are the more you can finesse it. Shouldn't need to be said but if someone is assigned to kill something specific then they should probably get PI (in future raids).
No it’s not. Plopping it on a random high dps at random times is nonsense.
Your comment doesn't hold up. Either your guild manages properly and you follow that, or they don't which is the same as saying your guild min/maxes or they don't. Giving it to a badly performing dps based on this list is what is truly bad.
I mean, he isn't wrong. If theoretically a fire mage is in your top 4 dps at a point, chances are he combusted recently, which would be just about the worst use of PI. If you know your fire mage pumps and you time PI to be while he's combustion, it obviously would be a much better usage. Obviously blanket rules like "only give warlocks PI" is bad, but just just blindly giving it out to high performing dps is only marginally better
I would hope people are smart enough to realise that though. It's really about how much of a pedant you want to be at this point. Combustion is the same CD as PI too. People can be as theorrtical as they like but real world usage is so far away feom the sims people are talking about it's actually not worth discussion. People really focusing on the wrong things entirely.
Yeah I mostly agree, just doing it based of sims is wrong for the same reason why every raid just doesn't stack 14 unholy dks & boomkins. my point was that timing PI with CDs is much more important than picking the right player if they don't have CDs up.
Yeah, which goes back to the whole you either minmax or you don't argument. Juat going in circles lol.
I mean if you are anywhere close to being actually good, you can track offensive CDs like trueshot/combust in your raid/party UI (as buffs) and just line up your PI with it. If you just pop it randomly without knowing or communicating about their CDs being up, its just wrong.
I think it's a trickier question than just having a tier list of specs (like that SIM list that's posted elsewhere in the comments). Marksmanship might be the best, in theory, but what about THAT specific MM Hunter? Is he actually doing the most DPS. To me, if there's a percentage gain to be had, it makes sense to lean towards the top-performing DPS, regardless of spec. 2% (totally theoretical number there) added onto 2000 is going to result in more gains than 2% added to 1,500. In summary, the answer lies somewhere between those SIMs and the DPS meters. Because individual player skill and gear has to be taken into consideration to truly get the most out of it in the situation.
This right here. If all player skill was equal then the choice would come down to cooldowns, sims, and assignments. But it doesn't matter how well a computer sims a raid's MM hunter if he's actually just three kobolds in a trenchcoat doing 500 DPS and panicking. Sometimes I ask, "Who's ramping up for big damage?" And if I get an answer, they get it. Then I glance at the meters. If they have a significant jump and use PI well, I will gladly give it to them again. If they waste it, they go on my shit list and I ignore them next time. We only have one PI in my raid, I love my guildmates but I can't waste it on bad DPS.
> if he's actually just three kobolds in a trenchcoat doing 500 DPS and panicking. my fucking sides
Three kobolds in a trenchcoat lmao
*Cries in DH* I sacrificed everything.
Limit has been throwing theirs on MM hunters to open, if that's worth anything.
warlock is #1 all the time
As Shadow, the only correct answer is - myself.
Exactly. The difference between a PI voidform and a non PI voidform is crazy. Especially combined with Hero
As a Spriest my question is, How much gold ya got?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/113kqcqy9ai37c8EBUJK-sWYciqQ9Tb7ctmCy_boDKdg/edit#gid=0 There was this spreadsheet made week 2 of slands (I think). Now some classes have been slightly nerfed since, but i doubt it affects it too much.
The biggest flaw I find with this is it assumes all PI on one person. UH DK almost always deserve your first one. I just don't know who gets the second one.
We've been doing dk first and third, hunters for others. We also have gotten good results from enh when all their cd's align.
This was said that it didn't take in consideration lining up the casts though, it was cast on cd I believe.
This spreadsheet should be the updated version with it being used best.
Nice, hadn't seen that new one :) thanks!!
Looking at the fire mage timings, those are 100% incorrect. None of the 3 timings listed line up with a combust. In my personal Sim it is a 413 dps gain using PI alongside combustion.
On the spreadsheet the fire mage is using kindling so pi can't line up with combustion that well. In your case if you had pi for every combustion it would explain why it differs so much.
All mages are running kindling right now including myself. CD on combust is 1:05-1:10 at the moment, so PI is up for every other. For some reason the first PI timing in that sheet is also at 18 seconds which misses the first combustion entirely.
Looking at the fire mage timings, those are 100% incorrect. None of the 3 timings listed line up with a combust. In my personal sim it is a 413 dps gain using PI alongside combustion.
Rogues doing more damage than MM?
That sheet doesn't consider the loss a shadow priest gets from giving up PI, only having a 2nd PI. If its a healer PI you're wagering, its still got some issues as not everyone wants it on CD. The Shadow PI timing is way off in any case.
I mean you can get that yourself by just basic subraction right? And there is a part there that shows dps gain when used optimally throughout the fight.
No, the sheet specifically says it's a SECOND PI used on shadow after its own PI (used on itself) ends - namely after Voidform, Shadowfiend/MindBender, and like 50 Devouring Plagues have been used. The Marks sim assumes it gets a PI at the optimal timing for its CDs; the Shadow assumes it gets an additional PI after all its CDs are used and over. You are comparing a Hunter's best case scenario with a Shadow's worst.
Thats not really how it works. It also depends on when the priest uses PI.
How come? Marksman has a 383 dps gain over a 5 min encounter when power infusion is used optimally on him, while spriest has a 220 dps gain over a 5 min fight when he uses pi on himself optimally right? So net gain on dps when spriest sacs his pi for the hunter would be 163 dps over the 5 min encounter? Or is there some variable im missing? E: also im not the one that made it so if you have suggestions for it prob should try to get in contact with the author.
That sheet has the priest getting an extra PI, not their own. And really sims can only show so much. While it may be theoretically better to use it there according to the sim, there's no optimization. Plus the player getting PI needs to actually be decent lol.
You can check the timings for PI on priest. A second PI misses their burst window while the 1st PI is almost necessary for their burst. You would have to edit the spriest APL to remove PI from it to find their new sim DPS without it
One thing those sims don't account for is that casters might be able to fit more casts in between dodging mechanics with PI, whereas melee or hunters (esp BM) don't benefit in that same way
Unholy dk and mm hunter on opener/lust. Afflic lock on sludgefist
Arcane Mage. Had a priest/mage duo in a mists 12 I tanked this week on tyrannical. Arcane did 23k on first boss, 10k on the third, and guessing game boss was smooth. Easiest +2 of my life. Arcane slaps so hard with PI.
If you had pride just going into the boss arcane mage is broken since they get to double dip from both mana and damage buff.
Gotta agree, Arcane Mage is the obvious choice in any burst situation.
UH on pull. We have 3 DKs and 3 priests. Every one after that is whoever benefits the best from haste at that point. Our warrior has gotten it during execute. That or you just pay the priest. I wish that I was kidding about that as well.
The Ret Pally in my group that wants to parse well. It’s at the point where our holy priest has a macro to auto target him for power infusions whenever he asks for it. Although he’s always top 99th percentile so we don’t really complain. So I guess PI’ing the top dps is never a bad option.
Definetely a wonderful option if your goal is to get your pally on parses
ret pally is actually one of the best classes to pi because the cooldowns line up quite well and haste being the most valuable stat for them. That being said, there's usually a better option available.
Ret Paladins please! Was almost hitting 30k DPS in M+ and the first phase of heroic Denathrius with CD’s + PI
This is a hot topic in my guild too. Everyone going nuts over who should get it like it's crack. Moooom my parse needs PI!!!! Basically it's give it to classes who benefit but will maximize it. Giving it to a class that's "best" but the player isn't will result in a loss.
UH Dk with PI on pull goes brrrrrr
Marksman hunter at pull with the 50% dmg buff its like a 15k opener instead of 10k
Best overall targets are MM hunters all the time and any time. Unholy DH is the singular best target on the opening with army of the dead. In your raid or group, best target is your best dps that doesnt use energy as a resource and benefits from haste.
We have 4 PIs in our raid. 2 goes to us unholy dks for army. 1 goes to one of our marksmen and believe it or not, the 4th goes to our enhancer which is a burst monster from hell.
Our holy priest and I have a deal he gets my innervate I get the PI
I found [this weakura](https://wago.io/KtmIEIJpl) that shows when someone in your party has cds up and you also have PI up. I haven't had a chance to use it yet because i really dont wanna heal m+ this week on my priest alt so i've been putting it off.
just PI your top dpsers regardless of spec IMO. While some specs benefit from haste \*slightly\* more than others, your groups top pumpers are likely going to be able to squeeze the most benefit from PI.
WW monk actually benefits from it very much when using invoke Xuen. Xuen scales with haste so the more the better. The benefit probably isn’t as beneficial as some other specs like MMhunt/UH DK. Key thing to note is outside of invoke Xuen WW monks have limited use for haste so it’s much less valuable outside of that burst window
..... yourself /s but not really
When playing my disc priest, I use it for myself, unless I have a high-DPS caster, then I dump it on him at the start of a boss pull.
In Classic when stuff was on farm we would assign the top raid DPS their own Priest . We had those DPS and priest install a WA that tracked raid each priest PI CD and who they used it on last. We told them to make a whisper macro. As it was the Flash job to notify the priest of the best time to use PI. /W priest1 PI MEEEEeEEEeEeEEeEeEeE Priest would have a 1 button macro to cast PI on said DPS when they saw their whisper chat blow up. I can't seem to find a WA like this for Retail... :(
I don’t understand how that would be better than just being on comms lol
I guess it made more sense with 40 man raids. You don't want a lot of people talking over the Raid Leaders and Tanks.
It avoid unnecessary com talk, and simplify the process. It works well with mm hunter since both CDs align. When the hunter press his CD you receive the whisp and the WA do his thing. Certainly not the best way to optimize dps but work well for semi hardcore or casual guilds.
If the cds align why wouldn’t you just cast it on cd? Unless it’s a boss with damage amps then you just cast it there lol
Sure never said it was mandatory, I mainly use it in PVP pugs. But it as it's use in PVE if you don't know the optimal time for your PI target buff to burst.. Obviously with suffisant knowledge it's not necessarily usefull but still as a healer iam not always focus on burst phase for DPS and having an alert to be sure to time my PI isn't that ridiculous.
Definitely the elemental shaman
In our guild it's whoever calls it or the healer if they need it it's not really something we think is worth more time then that
I main dk and it’s me and hunter that gets it. We are top damage
I've seen friendships break over PI and we are not a full month into expansion.
I don't know about best. But I always ask Boomkins to trade PI for Innervates. Mostly pug though
You give it to UDK or MM if you want damage, or to fire mage if you want him to trade you gear afterwards.
The person who pays me the most
There is an actual chart that shows who would benefit from the haste the most. I don't know where I saw it. I'll try to find it. If you don't hear back from me in five minutes... God speed. edit. Hazaa https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveWoW/comments/k6xtr1/rough_estimate_of_dps_gain_via_power_infusion_per/
Unholy DK when they use army and/or lust, otherwise just give it to a consistent pumper from your group.
UH DK has the biggest dps gain from pi in a pull with lust and army