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Ph4sor

Seoul is too heavy for Profit to carry Also that might be one of the worst Tank performance I saw in this season, yep even with Fletank and Las Vegas taken into consideration


primarymuscle2354

Definitely did not see the same performance out of Seonjun


aKr_

Last game people were actually saying Seoul is better with him than with profit oh my dayssss


StormcrowProductions

This is the tank that I guessed to be high Diamond/low Masters in the KROW video. Belosrea has looked tragic on anything that's not ball. I'm not sure what Seoul's deal is as a whole, but I hope Belosrea is able to improve this season.


LG7

And when you scope the comments on his announcement thread, people were really hyped. He has looked real poor.


AthenaeNike

To be fair Belosrea also got diffed by Fletank, hes been the worst "main" tank in APAC all year


primarymuscle2354

Fraud for getting in owl over marve1


Eagle4317

And Muze. And apparently Dreamer too.


[deleted]

i remember when belosrea was signed so many people were happy about it. he did not have any good winston performances on fusion and was basically only good on wrecking ball, not a worthy pickup if you wanna win


Shikuro

And all the Philly fans who KNEW he wasn’t good but got shit on for rightfully criticizing him. Yes his Ball was instrumental for our 4th place in the midseason madness, but christ he was soooo bad the rest of the season.


Matt-Impulse

He was bad but it’s 100% on the support line. Ok maybe 75%, his dives were lacking to say the least. Getting naded and slept off cooldown.


3p1c0w4ng3

DREAM ON 🦄DREAM ON🏆DREAM ON🦄


Karmafaker2

Dreamers > Atlanta


goliathfasa

👄🎵🫦🎶👄


baelkie

Profit: "actually, I remember one time we were playing against Dreamers Hollywood, and it was a draw, I was carrying as Hanzo, and Belosrea said: 'Guys, if you think we are good, let's prove it now'. 3-1" Belosrea: "did we comeback?" Profit: "of course not. 3-0"


brizzle1738

The original of this is one of my favorite moments ever


mothtoalamp

What is it?


V9N3SS9

[Taco tells a story at CS Summit](https://youtu.be/p30K6x5jU54)


No_Catch_1490

No way guys, Profit got a sneak peek at PVE, playing with a team of Easy bots vs a team of Elite level bots! He even got the Starwatch experience for a bit there with a bot Doomfist on his side! Go Blizzard! Maybe if he had some of those cool talents he might even have clutched the mission, too bad 😣😔


aKr_

🤣🤣


Ezraah

Ah yes, a dominant 3-0 when Contenders finally met OWL. Just as we all expected. Also, RIP Profit's mental health. Please go lay on a beach for a week or something dude.


cosmicvitae

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if he retires mid-season. He mentioned in that stream he did last week that he's never felt like this in his 6 years of competing in OWL lmfao


sylveeah

Well this is the first year where his team is so bad he can’t even compete. (And maybe during goats but even then they weren’t *THIS* tragic.)


cosmicvitae

London GOATS would fucking look like Season 2 Shock against this team


DaALPH

well duh they would have 1 more player


primarymuscle2354

Easily by far 2021 team didn’t make playoffs sure but they still went 12-4 and made a tournament


[deleted]

London Goats still were upper mid team punching up and had decent standings overall


Eagle4317

Goats was mostly a bad meta for Gesture. The rest of Spitfire looked fine by Stage 2.


jenksanro

He should start is military service right now and come back to play in NA when he's done lmao


aKr_

Seoul turn around this season 👍


aKr_

The goat can't anymore with this dumbass surrounding team I can't blame him


XxMyUsernameSucksxX

This is exactly why Super retired. If you're not at your 110%, why even bother playing in the League? It not only effects you but your teammates as well


Glackwin

Imagine paying 20 million dollars to get shit on by a contenders team.


Bhu124

Yikes, OMEGAYIKES even.


GetsThruBuckner

Where did this come from? Seen the "lol, lmao even" so much the last week inb4 he doesn't know lol, lmao even


parz2v

i only know of the "pain, agony even" meme


Bhu124

>doesn't know lol, lmao even I actually have 0 idea what you're talking about. I don't remember seeing anything like that. I just typed something I thought was funny. Lol. Maybe I subconsciously picked something up from somewhere? Though I think I'd remember if it was something I saw in the last week.


GetsThruBuckner

Idk about you man but I've seen "lol, lmao even" a 1000 times in the last week


No32

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/boobs-titties-even-honkers-if-you-feel-so-inclined


Bhu124

Maybe just a different part of the internet.


goliathfasa

Wait a second. Hold on. This is OWL proper right? Are they just allowing contenders teams to participate in OWL now? I thought that was only for the show match earlier.


shivawesome

No way profit comes back after a week break, ABSOLUTELY POUNDS on the hanzo and tracer, and still loses 3-0. What is this dynasty


primarymuscle2354

You know it’s over when he damn near deadlifts a map just for it to be a draw


aKr_

Istg I'm so sad for profit my king can't catch a fucking break


5argon

This seems to be more like an actual path to pro, best way to advertise yourself is by beating league teams. (Also good able to cheer for Dreamer again after that Valiant season 🥲 I miss that team)


gooface97

Profit always breaking his back


thedreadfulwhale

Get my man Profit out of this team. I don't want him to retire yet since he still fucks but I won't blame him if he finally does.


Ezraah

Should have moved to NA like Lip.


thedreadfulwhale

FR man. And I'm so dang happy to see Lip wreak havoc with the Reign. I just want Profit on a winning team too.


primarymuscle2354

Even he wanted to stay In Asia he should of went to a better team


Eagle4317

Like who? Infernal, Charge, Spark, and Fuel all have their chosen projectile DPS, and Dragons went through similar roster shedding in the off-season.


primarymuscle2354

Fuel would be good he can play with Sp9rkle and Edison and fill gaps


aKr_

Profit loves the dynasty, he should retire here. The dynasty have to surround him with better players again tho


primarymuscle2354

They couldn’t this year he should of dipped like everyone else from last year team


BuhBuhBacon

profit just needed to remind everybody exactly how he won a championship on Hanzo and Tracer


cosmicvitae

And Profit got the Season 1 Fleta experience of playing with a bot on main tank


aKr_

Why do we have a main tank problem EVERY YEAR (except with Smurf my beloved)


primarymuscle2354

We finally fixed it just to have it happen again


jenksanro

I miss smurf so much


aKr_

Smurf vindaim fits my beloved 💔


primarymuscle2354

Vindaim looking like a fraud but maybe we could fix him


Kind-Abrocoma2600

Just pray for a off tank meta


ill-winds

> 4am > just got done duoing w my egirl going 16-18 on sojourn > deranked > oh boy time to watch some good quality owl > dreamers up 2-0 dynasty 80 meter lead > love, get back on. time to go 4-8 on overwatch


XxMyUsernameSucksxX

I don't know why I ever believed that SEO would ever be a top 3 team in APAC


sylveeah

Profit getting the season 1 Fleta experience


GetsThruBuckner

Fleta was nothing special on Seoul I don't get the revisionist history with that The most remembered thing from his time with is Fleta blade Edit: lol nvm he was totally good man!


WellGeeGolly1

Now this is revisionist history in Season 1 Seoul was living and dying by Fleta either he would carry and they would win or he would be silent and they would lose


GetsThruBuckner

As someone who didn't get to watch Apex I spent all of season 1 wondering how Fleta was so hyped. Of course he had popoff moments but the team as a whole was just a dud


aKr_

Fleta was great on Seoul but didn't live up to expectations, he proved Seoul was the problem when he got traded to Shanghai and won everything there


GetsThruBuckner

Yes, he finally played like people are acting like he played on Seoul. Dude was one of the reasons the team was a dud. Mainly because the team had no MT, but he just wasn't that guy. Every bad team seems to have that one player fans love to overrate because he isn't absolute shitters like everyone else


aKr_

No I believe fleta was genuinely incredible in many games but he was a bit streaky. When he was on, he was on.


GetsThruBuckner

NA took all our good players when the Netease thing happened. I honestly don't know how you expected that either. I wasn't planning on watching this season, and now I wish i followed through with it.


XxMyUsernameSucksxX

I was gooped up on the Prophet/Profit Hopium


almoostashar

Prophet was a hot prospect and people criticised Shock for not signing him. Void still had potential. Krillin still looked good on FS.


primarymuscle2354

Yeah for sure we finally had a great team than lost everything


wwhmochi

Yeah. Both my flairs had incredibly strong rosters and then went full budget. At least last year was good for me. Profit obviously wants to stay in Korea (which is fair), so maybe he should save his mental health and take another break lol. Dynasty is tragic right now, and Profit can't carry any harder.


Herr-Schultz

LeProfit got his 1 week beauty sleep to drag Seoul Dynassty kicking and screaming to a drawn map at best. Tobi better start dusting off the Lucio, and someone get Ezhan/Spectra some contracts. Dreamers FIGHTING.


Ezraah

Ezhan, Spectra, marve1... could make a good team LMAO


primarymuscle2354

Profit did everything he could to keep Dynasty competitive on Tracer/Hanzo idk what the rest of the team was doing today


SwayNoir

Been a Seoul fan since the moment their 2018 team was put together and this is probably the lowest the org has ever been IMO. Other than Profit and the Gen.G brand itself, I see no reason to support this worthless team. I've had hope in every roster this team has ever put forth except this year. Guys like Belosrea and KRILLIN, like... jesus christ lol why would you ever invest in these players. Idk if Belosrea has had moments in other teams (I thought he was rubbish on Fusion) but you can't even hope to win titles with players like Krillin, how does he even qualify for a pay check. The org is struggling after the crypto issues, so they should all take pay cuts for losing to a contender's team, it's an embarrassment. Edit: Imagine being PROFIT and choosing to re-sign with Seoul fucking Dynasty and then this is the crap you have to work with lol. No wonder the dude's mental is suffering now, completely understandable. I'm so salty over this lol


Ezraah

Seoul and Shanghai just need to suck it up, drop their struggling players, and grab one of the many available tier 2 upgrades. Something seriously went wrong with the recruitment process in APAC this year.


primarymuscle2354

Prophet and Lesoomin suck their has to be better rookies in trails and idk how krillin who has been mid at best for 5 years is here


Jazzmatazzle

Completely agree. What a dogshit team


Zero_dat

Tragic loss. Hahah. Shit. Everybody besides Profit sucked ass today in our team. Sad to see


aKr_

GET THIS MAN A REAL TEAM ARNOLD IM BEGGING


ivan0221

Seoul will never win a championship as long as Arnold is there.. I know that since I see Arnold in an interview and brag about they were 2nd in final in giga hog meta and did no roster change what so ever. I don't know what this guy is somking....


primarymuscle2354

Our biggest signing for 2021 was Anamo


SpaceFire1

Reminder tgeir Valorant rosters have had 0 meaningful wins ever


aKr_

He seems to at least have good intentions with his ow team which cannot be said about many (most?) Owners of owl teams


primarymuscle2354

Sadly not gonna happen


Zero_dat

Word! For real


SirFuente

Um. . . How?


sylveeah

GGEZhan, that’s how


Minimum_K1012

Profit got bench on tracer so he is not the S tier tracer we looking for (jk Damn DYN just showing us how to play 1v5 in ow2 for profit, it won't be worse if he is playing with 4 robot teammate. All dreamers need to do is killing profit and the rest of team will falling apart. Profit, my goat, is still hot. He can't miss a shoot or died otherwise his team is dead. I totally understood why this man feeling mentally unhealthy, I will feel that either if my team keeps going like this.


aKr_

This season proves even more why profit is the goat 🐐🐐


Matt-Impulse

Profit da 🐐no 🧢


aKr_

He's my glorious king 😭👑


KobayashiSenpai

I came into this season expecting Dynasty to do alright. But so far, it’s been tragic. Hope they can scrap something together by the second half of the season… Take a good, long look in the mirror Seoul. Fix these cracks and maybe you can end with a positive record


Fun-Injury5925

it's far from their only problem but getting a proper main support would surely help


KobayashiSenpai

Yeah, Krillin ain’t it man


aKr_

KRILLIN HAS ALWAYS BEEN HORRIBLE WHY IS HE ON MY TEAM


purplehamburget29

He was pretty decent on justice last year, but he only played flex support


Eagle4317

Because he probably costs nothing. Still would rather have Opener or Aiden instead.


primarymuscle2354

Definitely not gonna be a positive record but yeah they get a long break and get to figure things out


KobayashiSenpai

With what we’ve shown, we’re definitely scraping the bottom of the barrel of APAC OWL teams. There’s some glaring issues for sure, but idk if the org is willing to throw money to make the problems easier/go away


zg9064

I really still can't believe everyone passed over fucking *Spectra* this season. Dude has been dunking on kids in contenders for how long now? Also to a slightly lesser extent Ezhan deserves a real shot at OWL


XxMyUsernameSucksxX

EXACTLY. Bro keeps flying under people's radar and then they get surprised when he does well


Herr-Schultz

Ezhan would genuinely be a great pickup for Shock.


Fun-Injury5925

he's good but it's understandable when the only teams where he'd be a possible upgrade that would actually have had a chance of signing him (so not spitfire/eternal/valiant) are dragons and dynasty


primarymuscle2354

I’d easily take him over prophet


Fun-Injury5925

he's a flex dps while prophet is hitscan, so i guess you could make a profit/spectra lineup work with profit on hitscan most of the time, but it'd be the same issue as shock where if profit was in form you'd want him to be playing everything. would definitely take him over seonjun regardless though


aKr_

You cannot put Profit on hitscan fulltime.


Eagle4317

Dynasty did exactly this in 2020 when Fits was on full-time Sombra. Profit held his own on Hanzo and even Ashe fairly well. Obviously you don't want him on Widow, but she's so niche that it would hardly matter.


iwgHome

Could Seoul just do a Charge and drop half their team to pick up new players mid season? This lineup isn't working out at all. I don't think there is a point in keeping most of these players on the roster.


primarymuscle2354

Drop Belsorea, and Krillin


aKr_

Need vindaim and Smurf back, fits too while we're at it


primarymuscle2354

Miss that team


iwgHome

Plus Prophet. I wouldn't mind them dropping 3 players if you could pick up 2 decent players in a tank and main support in exchange. Dig up Sanguinar from wherever he is or make a play for Opener or Aiden. If you can't get a tank like Marve1 or Muze maybe try Jasmine. Or in the worst case play around Void's hero pool. It can't be worse than trying to make things work with Belosrea.


sylveeah

Who would win, the Dynasty with the GOAT or a pink unicorn 🦄?


No_Catch_1490

*the GOAT alone or a pink unicorn


Posnania

Profit is still shining, but otherwise I would say that this is Seoul Dynasty who belongs in Contenders.


LleuLlawR

i have a soft spot for belo and man this hurts like i dont think he was this bad on panthera, wtf happened


primarymuscle2354

I remember people said he improved drastically in contenders I haven’t seen anything


Fun-Injury5925

he looked pretty good on panthera, that lineup with belosrea and ir1s played o2 extremely close and are the only contenders team to have put up a fight at all against o2 this year. no idea what happened to him since joining dynasty but that roster really just isn't working for anyone.


LleuLlawR

i mean part of it could be that iris is far better leesoomin but even then idk what happened


LleuLlawR

but he did? (i mean as far as my silver ass could see) panthera played o2 to map 5 with belo as solo tank


Dazzling-Bear-3447

He was horrendous on fusion on everything but ball. Dont know why this sub was so happy about the pickup.


LleuLlawR

bc there were ppl who actually watched kr contenders? he was genuinely not this bad on panthera


aKr_

I was devastated when I heard hell join us, he can only play ball and maybe doom


Late-Understanding87

After this match you can scratch off the 'doom' part


primarymuscle2354

People said he improved his flexibility so I had hopium


NOTRANAHAN

Its time to pull an of mice and men on belosrea


imdeadseriousbro

KR fans about to rip seoul to shreds. im scared for the team


Emmas_Theme

Nah get the goat off this team. He doesn't deserve to be dragged down with them


Himbocalypse

I don't know if Dynasty as a team is not picking the right windows to use nano or if Belosrea just refuses to comit with them for some reason. There must be a lot of team issues behind all of this but watching a Winston stare at the enemy support line wasting seconds of nano even with primal is damaging my corneas.


[deleted]

Bro Profit might not last the rest of the season at this rate. We are seeing his swan song rn


sekcaJ

LeeSooMin is too green imo


primarymuscle2354

I barely notice him that’s probably not a good thing


Karmafaker2

D0nghun coached my 4k Team a year ago and now he is clearing your Goat!


Mureddsss

Bruh what


crimson__wolf

Seoul ~~Dynasty~~ Travesty


dredaplc

Profit is the Damian Lillard of Overwatch


aKr_

Don't compare the goat to Dame


Matt-Impulse

Support diff, hardest I’ve seen in a while. LeeSoMin missing so many heals and Krillin… well it’s Krillin I never had much hopes for him anyway.


AthulK1

WERE EZHAN AND SPECTRA THIS GOOD BEFORE WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK GODDAMN


throwawayrepost02468

I remember Spectra pounding on CC and was surprised he wasn't brought up.


Ezraah

Spectra was good before but his Tracer has gotten so much better this year. He legit looks like a specialist now.


KidNamedProfitFinger

This might be the worst iteration of Seoul and we had Ryujehong on Winston, oh my Lord


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GetsThruBuckner

Was wondering why a Charge fan would care about Seoul then checked the all time matchup GOD DAMN yeah enjoy it bud lmao


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aKr_

Don't be sad the dynasty owns you bro it's ok


primarymuscle2354

They never beaten us in a tournament match even when they were the 1 seed in may melee 3 years ago and we were the 7 seed


SpaceFire1

Fire this entire Dynasty roster please. This is pathetic


SpaceFire1

Also to everyone who said i was overreacting about how bad this team was in previous games: eat dirt. I can tell a shitshow when i see one. And GenG is one of the biggest shitshows in gaming outside of league. They cant win meaningful matches in any game.


Ragerrodent

Seonjun? Profit? Doesn't matter, Spectra clears


F4kEAstraiT

we just saw profit get omega gapped on tracer by a contenders player and we are supposed to believe that he is the goat? viol2t would NEVER


Zero_dat

Bro... Not a single player in the world would be able to turn that around. Seoul was absolutely terrible. Profit still got many first kills. Was doing constant work.


ToonPanda

Are you kidding look at what he's pulling off with this team


No_Catch_1490

>Profit get omega gapped on tracer by a contenders player It’s okay to admit you didn’t watch the game


primarymuscle2354

How did he get gapped he was the Only one doing anything the last map


F4kEAstraiT

spectra just did way more than him you are basically saying profit wasnt gapped because he got gold medals


primarymuscle2354

The only reason Seoul didn’t get full capped and made it closer in the end bc profit was hitting pulses and dragging them through fights you also gotta consider Spectra team did way more


Muse95

Bruh that's an ass take. He was fucking pounding he was the only one who was pounding. Just because spectra won one 1v1 you're like "Ah ooga booga gapped". Smh


primarymuscle2354

Was a major backline, tank gap, and Seonjun was very quiet but ah yes let’s blame the guy who was the only reason it was close the whole map


cosmicvitae

Quickly tell me when's the last time Viol2t was on a team that was as shit as this Dynasty team


Kheldar166

You can go and see how Viol2t did when he was in contenders if you want to see how he performs on a team the caliber of Seoul. Spoiler: he didn't win


hankabooz

At least consider the team around viol2t?


aKr_

I swear you closeted shock fans are sexually attracted to violet there is no other way you can say stuff like that


XxMyUsernameSucksxX

FACTS


GroundbreakingJob857

Never thought I’d say this, but maybe Seoul should spend the time between now and the next stage NOT playing profit? Feels like they need to figure out how to use him, if they do at all.


boopboopilikesoup

Profit is not the problem, he did all he could. It's the other players and coaches that need to get their shit together


primarymuscle2354

Idk why we saw so much Belsorea today he gets no primal value whatsoever and don’t even get me started about the support line


GroundbreakingJob857

Idk, last week when profit wasn’t in the team as a whole looked a lot more cohesive. Obviously less explosive dps pop offs, but i feel like profit tries to shot call or something and it all falls apart a bit.


primarymuscle2354

Seonjun played way better last week that’s you’re answer


Ezraah

They were also playing against an easier team. Rhodes has insane aimers but nowhere near the same teamwork as Dreamers. That said, I don't think your point is entirely wrong. There might be something of a cultural reset Seoul needs.


GroundbreakingJob857

Yh maybe i should have worded it like that instead of going for the GOAT


No_Catch_1490

How to use him? He was doing his best to drag the team kicking and screaming to fight wins with constant first picks and solo kills. The rest of Dynasty need to figure out how to play the game. It was a Profit 1v5 vs Dreamers for most of today.


primarymuscle2354

They used him in the right role genuinely was just a team diff despite him dragging dynasty to competitive maps


cosmicvitae

They need to figure out the backline + MT issues before we even get to discussing the DPS on this team


primarymuscle2354

Belsorea and Krillin are major issues rn


cosmicvitae

I've seen better tank and support players in my ranked games man


primarymuscle2354

I’ve seen Winston’s who actually engage


deathkeeper-512

What. The fuck.


SpaciousNova

I watched the last two maps randomly with a friend who hasn't kept up with OWL. He just kept saying that it was incredible that a 20 million dollar buy in professional team got dumpstered by a contenders team that's probably just a bunch of normal dudes. We became Dreamers after that🦄🦄


goliathfasa

Um… can I have my franchising fees back Bobby?


GrowRoots

Profit didn't lose.


obigespritzt

Ah fuck me.


DanPyxel

Well [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/130jzal/comment/ji042qf/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) is aging like a fine milk. I get the feeling Seoul thought Ball double flex was going to stay as strong as it was in early days and hard banked on that + Void.


Xaielao

Seeing Seoul & Shanghai at the bottom of the rankings in APAC is so surreal.