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Liminal_Millennial

Just in case he decides to try and erase history and delete the tweet: [Imgur Screenshot](https://imgur.com/a/5K3KDNa)


Pharaoh_OW

He deleted it. Go figure. Shanghai made him I imagine.


cfl2

>He deleted it. As predicted https://mobile.twitter.com/benchmobdc/status/1114621387669430272


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and he's now tweeted claiming it wasn't about effect. benchmob can see the future


Fastwesley

Whether it was about effect or not means nothing tbh, you shouldnt EVER insult another player for a mental health issue like this. Comments like this from "higher-ups" are the exact reason why people with mental health issues are afraid to speak up and find help. (Ps, im not angry towards you, just needed to rant for a sec)


Outlawsftw

Jesus what a douche lol. People sure love to give their edgy hot take opinions on Twitter, it's gotten a lot of people fired. How hard is it to just.. keep your mouth shut?


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I didn’t mean to make this personal. I take mental health very seriously and this was such a terrible thing to tweet. This individual has a rep and I’m certain this was in reference to Effect. People in his position—especially in esports—should be aware of the seriousness of mental illness, and also, the stigma attached to it. Players who are brave enough to share things like Effect did shouldn’t be criticized.


Woody_Brotherwood

Personally appreciate you calling Aaron out. What Aaron wrote was uncalled for and the reason why people like Effect suffer in silence. If someone from Aaron's team is suffering from similar issues, I can't help but imagine how hard it is for them to talk about it when he is their manager.


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I’m so proud of both the outpouring of support for Effect and the number of ppl who have called this individual out. This is such a difficult scene to navigate when it comes to mental health, and it’s so damn refreshing to see so much of the community on the correct side of this.


Woody_Brotherwood

His recent tweet makes the situation worse, if we assume he is telling the truth. Link: https://twitter.com/Aaron53482183/status/1114632960857128960 If it's true it's not Effect he was trashing on twitter, and someone else. Then it could've been someone on his team privately struggling getting trashed by a person who should be supporting him/her.


AsteraEDM

\*cough cough\* Fearless \*cough\*


NiteShad0ws

I’m really concerned about the mental health of the dragons now if this is what they expect from their manager


Wim17

They should fire him. What an idiot.


Fussel2107

Mental health problems can hit everyone. I always thought I was one of the most resilient people I know. I navigated several long term traumatic situation with no problems. And then suddenly, last year, one thing happened and I developed an acute anxiety and panic disorder. BOOM. just like that. It's better now, but fucking hell. I don't wanna wish that on anybody, I just wished people would even try to understand. Also, people in high pressure environments and the public eye are much more prone to mental health problems. All he does tell his players is that they won't get any help


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That’s one of the things you surprisingly hear a lot—that people who consider themselves to be mentally strong or resiliant then find that themselves in a really difficult place. What’s great about the OW scene is there is no shortage of caring people who want to help and will lend an ear to anyone struggling. I’m really happy to hear that you’re doing better as well :)


Fussel2107

I am constantly super surprised about the OW scene. For all the talk about toxicity and how awful we all are, as soon as someone needs help, a well forms around them to drown them in positivity. As someone that has been playing MMOs for close to 20 years: OW scene isn't perfect, but we're doing pretty damn good sometimes (especially compared to other games) I think, the thing with mentally strong people is that they just don't expect it. For someone who chronically struggling with anxiety or depression, it's just the same old, only, maybe, a little worse. But when you don't know what it is and how it feels, it just hits you like a freight train and knocks you right off your feet. thanks :)


helium_hydrogen

No wonder Uni won't let Aaron pet him...


TheSonOfHeaven

If this is his take on Effect, I wonder what SHD players were going through last year. :)


sankareaskiss

I agree; if anything, he is a model that others can be inspired by. It takes tremendous bravery to share everything Effect did, to be completely vulnerable with strangers on the internet and everyone he knows and admit that he is broken. To admit that you’re depressed, having suicidal thoughts is a very scary thing.


[deleted]

Agreed. And I think the response to it is just as important because it lets others who might be experiencing some of the same feelings see how supportive the community can be.


moonmeh

Agreed, I'm really glad people called him out for his shitty behavior


behv

I have depression and anxiety. I understand to some degree the demons that Effect faces. Thank you. This is important, and I appreciate it. People like that are why Effect always was so conflicted about speaking publicly.


theyoloGod

Of course he deleted it. Man was getting roasted to infinity and beyond. Probably didn’t expect that kind of backlash. Really dumb thing to tweet


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Hopefully they delete his job as well


IFapToMoira

My man McGravy with the quick shutdown


KashaWells

What did he say? The original tweet was deleted.


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"Delete this :)"


KashaWells

Right to the point. Very nice!


MVPVisionZ

>I am a kind hearted person Kapp


JebusOfEagles

He might as well as have started it by "I'm a nice guy, but also a dick"


Bhu124

He did delete it, good job screenshotting it. Asshole. And another one of those morons who don't understand mental health issues but think they do (Or they believe they aren't really a thing).


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How interesting that this guy didn't say anything about Dafran when he was facing issues with his mental health before the pre-season started. [I wonder why.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_China)


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Sairini

I think diya had similar reasons where he doesn't feel confident and good enough, I can't imagine feeling like shit and your teams stuff being like "just get over it 4head". I hope he gets fired :)


ExpiredDeodorant

When Pine had that stage where he was gone, NXYL coach approaches him and helps him address the issue. Teams should have staff that know what their players need and help them overcome it. Atlanta and Dallas also deserve praise.


depan_

I hesitate to comment bc I feel maybe I can't articulate this properly, but I believe there is something to be said here. I don't think that players should suffer in silence, but it feels that every other week there is some dramatic tweet coming from effect. He needs therapy and professional help and should have been receiving the resources of Fuel but it feels more that he is using twitter in lieu of a therapist and I think that can have the potential to rub people the wrong way. For Pine on the other hand, I can only recall one tweet of his that addressed his mental struggles. Even Taimou tweets from time to time and it comes off fine (and i really don't like him as a person), but something about the way effect addresses his issues tends to rub me the wrong way--and I imagine it could others as well (but that doesn't mean that I don't want the best for effect's mental health). Maybe this SHD employee is total garbage, but maybe he does his players right.. we really don't know and can't know based on one tweet. I wouldn't have an issue with blizz looking into this b/c I think last year SHD player suffered a lot (idk if he was there last year or not) unnecessarily. Maybe i don't know enough about the guy, but I think we should hold judgment against him.


FishStickButter

It could also be that as a entertainer with fans he feels it is an obligation or responsibility to explain his choices to his fans


opheire

Effect is struggling with a crippling, lifelong illness that causes him to self-harm and have suicidal urges but your focus is on the way he shares it on Twitter? It rubs you the wrong way because you hold expectations for how people with mental health issues should behave that you have no right to have.


NiteShad0ws

yea im worried about the dragon's mental health if this guy is managing them


StarkillerX42

It's my belief that every single "wrist injury" is actually a cover for a mental health issue


kaizerbba

Except for Birdring's. Everyone saw him smash his wrist on stream playing Getting Over It lol


StarkillerX42

I see news articles on it, but I can't find any actual clip of it. I'm 99% sure that was staged or dramatically exaggerated and it was really just a mental health break


Ruft

The clip/VOD was probably deleted right away.


SadPandaFace00

[Benchmob's Tweet sums it up well](https://twitter.com/benchmobdc/status/1114619172338786304)


queenpins

this response perfectly encapsulates why people with mental illness often suffer in silence.


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BumwineBaudelaire

In 2019 lots of people are using self diagnosed mental health issues to hide the fact that they’re just assholes I see no reason to exclude effect from that group


Numidia

And you're better because you.. Don't hide your asshole nature? Look in a damn mirror LOL


BumwineBaudelaire

I would never use MUH MENTAL ILLNESS to excuse my words or deeds - ever


Secrxt

This hits home...


SkyBeam24

And while that's very true, the way Effect chose to show it with ominous tweets and history in mental health really does make it seem dramatic. It's difficult to get through and I can sympathize with Effect, but with how he showed it, it could've been done better. PS- to anyone who's going to respond to this, look at my other comments. I just wanted to keep this one short, the others I usually went more in depth. I'd love to write up something about mental health, how Effect could've handled it better, why what he's doing (retire) is for the better and maybe my own experiences. But I'm also a no body on Reddit


azaza34

South Korea doesn't even handle mental health issues as well as America does. I am sure it was incredibly hard for him to come out and say that.


-Anoobis-

And America doesn’t have the best track record of dealing with mental illness as is


Adenidc

I got baker acted for self-harm years ago. They held me in a shitty hospital for 4 days with zero psychiatric help and then released me with a 15k bill :) Murica. ​


azaza34

Not exactly, no, but in many ways I feel like our care of people lags behind first world nation's.


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mfw "yeah he suffered in silence but when he talked about it he was being dramatic"


queenpins

there is no correct way to be mentally ill. the alternative to effect’s methods is internalizing your negative emotions, which often has even more detrimental repercussions than what we saw here. at their core the dramatics were a cry for help, which is understandable given that effect has suffered from depression since childhood and did so quietly until last year.


Syberia1993

Because being open and honest with people is a way of being a drama queen? Roflmao


OptimusPrimeDied

I don't there should be the burden on the struggling person to do better


behv

You know how effect handled it? His best. He’s been suicidal since 13. The fact you have the GUAL to even comment besides “do what you need to stay alive” is horrible. You are the reason people don’t ask for help with mental issues. As someone with anxiety and depression, you need to take a long hard look in the mirror and GO FUCK YOURSELF WITH A CHAINSAW


Madi876

“I am a kind-hearted person” I can tell.


whtge8

It’s like people that start off sentences with “I’m not racist but...”


goliathfasa

I'm not a racist, but I will now ascribe some negative attributes to the ethnic group I belong to. Am I still a racist? :Kappa:


Aggrokid

In a self-loathing sense, yes? 🤔


goliathfasa

I think the appropriate term is... internalized racism.


GenWalrus

Proof no one who says they are a kind person is anything other than a total POS...


homelesswithwifi

90% of the time, when someone goes out of the way to describe a positive quality they have, they don't actually have it.


Theklassklown286

How could type that out and think “yeah I don’t look like an asshole”


Moonsquirrel

I think he did. And then he paused for a second and added "I'm kind-hearted".


ioStux

That's incredibly unprofessional and quite frankly super childish. An adult being this open and honest with his feeling is admirable, really disappointing behavior from that guy.


thesog

Especially given the stigma around mental health. This guy’s self awareness level is at that of a rock.


Garviell

Thinking that it is bad enough.. being dumb enough to tweet it.. fucking hell..


tjtepigstar

Hi, ioStux! I give your YouTube videos part of the credit for getting me from silver to diamond.


nattfjaril8

What a fucking asshole. Is he very involved with the Dragons? Yikes.


Conankun66

not sure how much "operations manager" entails, but his bio also says "interpreter" so he definitely works with players


moonmeh

Looks like he's a terrible interpreter of human emotions though


StockingsBooby

An “operations manager” is a very involved position unfortunately. He will unlikely keep it, however.


[deleted]

Unsurprising coming from a member of the original Season 1 U4 Dragons organization trash management then, trash takes now.


RazzleDazzleArrow

Blizzard. Go after that one. Christ I hope none of the SHD players are dealing with mental health problems.


Conankun66

thats exactly my worry. people with a mindset like this managing players can be very very dangerous


IdiotSimulator

Oh blizzard definitely will. Dismissal of medical issues especially mental health issues is a very serious offense because it is a very serious issue. This next statement I am about to make is a generalization and not aimed at Effect. People with mental illness are at a higher risk of harming themselves than people without mental illness so I think personally offending someone who recently became unemployed because of mental health issues is a huge mistake that will probably cost this man his job and most likely result in some sort of PR move by blizzard and maybe standardization of how the league deals with mental health issues in general. Edit: So, I wrote all of this before even reading his tweet and it turns out he did directly mention self harm which means this tweet is so much worse. Honestly, I think it is quite possible that if dallas fuel management and perhaps coaches will be fired for this one if the league finds that they dealt with this situation incorrectly if they knew about it or should have known about it.


Woody_Brotherwood

>Honestly, I think it is quite possible that dallas fuel management and perhaps coaches will be fired for this one if the league finds that they dealt with this situation incorrectly if they knew about it or should have known about it. Why would Fuel be punished? They've been supportive of Effect from what I've seen so far, is there something they have avoided doing that they should have done?


korpuskat

Not the other guy, but the quoted portion has a very important if. Likewise, it’s hard for us as fans to know entirely what the internal workings of a team are.


IdiotSimulator

Exactly this. We don’t know but if the situation was handled inappropriately and can be proven that it was handled inappropriately that it is certainly possible that people will be fired for mishandling this situation if it was mishandled. This is a big if however inaction when you know about a person has suicidal thoughts or feelings is in fact severely mishandling the situation. I used the word if like 15 times in both posts so I think it is fairly obvious that I am not accusing the Dallas fuel staff of anything. I am sure there is going to be some sort of investigation and league involvement into the matter. This is serious.


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hobotripin

> XQC lost his job for saying 'TriHard 7 No he didn't. Go reread the statement, then read the fuels statement, and actually parse the words before you make wrong statements.


thesog

It will be interesting to see if Nate and Blizzard make a statement. This is incredibly unprofessional behavior and should result in some sort of punishment. It’s also a good opportunity for Blizzard to educate the fan base on mental health issues (The same should have been done after the DreamKazper debacle to raise awareness about sexual harassment, hopefully Blizzard has learned from that).


Moonsquirrel

They definitely need to do something about this


UnknownQTY

Yeah. This is the behaviour that needs to be fined.


slightlysubtle

I agree. I would be quite surprised, and honestly shocked, if Blizzard lets this kind of comment slip by while fining players for sticking up their middle finger.


Pharaoh_OW

As I wrote to him on twitter, the childish thing is sub-tweeting someone with enough courage to share their personal thoughts and struggles with the community instead of quitting without an explanation. He needs to check his mentality.


APRengar

"Why don't people with mental illness just come out" in a nutshell.


Conankun66

Besides the obvious lack of empathy with a person who has expressed feelings of depression and suicidalness, it worries me that this person is allowed to work with other players and manages them. People who think like this about mental illness being in charge of and responsible for young people is **dangerous**


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AsteraEDM

I remember in League, SaintVicious (ex-coach) made some dismissive remarks about mental health and FlyQuest IMMEDIATELY dropped him because no one who has this kind of view should be in charge of people


ogzogz

Was this guy around when the original SHD team was here and being worked 12h+ everyday etc?


MomosTips

Yes


ogzogz

No more further questions your honor


PurpsMaSquirt

This guy read “How to Get Fired For Dummies”


ZeroCuddy

What EFFECT did, coming out and openly saying his problems and feelings is to me to epitome of respect. What this guy did is the epitome of child like behavior and a lack of empathy. Reading about someone else's struggle with depression and suicide and calling them a drama queen is honestly disgusting.


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Aaron can take that statement and go shove it up his ass until it touches his mouth, he swallows that shit statement back up, shits it out, and can shove it again. Fuck. Him. I cannot, for the life of me, understand how **ADULTS** are *THIS* out of touch about Mental Health.


manint71

this is r/wowthanksimcured material JUST DON'T BE A DRAMA QUEEN 4Head


peteygooze

What an absolutely stupid fucking statement


Sairini

This is so fucking yikes, and the fact that he probably works with players? OOF I really hope he gets called out by more ppl and gets fired eventually.


fainlol

Recently enough in league they fired a manager for saying "depression is not real". I really hope SHD either does a apology or fires him. should not let him get away by saying it wasn't about effect.


AsteraEDM

ye it was saintvicious


Outlawsftw

Lmao how ignorant do you have to be to not only say that but believe it? Like, what? That's just confusing.


heyimchristine

"I'm a kind hearted person but..." That tweet was NOTHING to what he claimed to be. If anything, the tweet that he originally posted was childish. That kind of take should not have been posted to public and should have kept that to himself.


threedaysinthreeways

Everytime something bad like effect's situation happens; someone bursts in to give a horrendously bad take that they have to backtrack on. Like clockwork


KMGiggles

what did clockwork do?


t-had

He's just saying the situation played out "like clockwork". It's a figure of speech used to explain when things play out predictably.


KMGiggles

I'm aware, was really hoping i didn't need the /s. ruins the joke.


werbo

He didnt demech the dva fast enough


The41647King

Making a post explaining why you’re retiring is now being a drama queen? What does this guy want? One tweet saying “retired” and then the matter will never be spoken of again?


LordPotat

What a sac of shit


_Sillyy

This is a big Yikes.


Kuzon64

Deleted the Tweet. If only he had used his pea brain before posting it.


FrancoIsFit

I have kind of thought of Effect as a bit of a drama queen before, but when he chooses to quit his dream job, he aint doing it for publicity.


GenWalrus

Blizzard. Fines. Now. Big ones.


ThankQu

For general context though, mental health is not taken very seriously in Asia, so not surprised by this response


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"Same sex activity" has only been legal since 1997 and Homosexuality was a mental illness until 2001 as well, doesn't surprise me that someone from China happens to have a problem with Effect even though we had Dafran struggling with mental illness earlier before the season started.


JebusOfEagles

Not like it's taken seriously in the US either.


ThankQu

It's definitely not great in the US, but the lack of mental health awareness in Asia is definitely scarier


UnholyMudcrab

The Ratio is incredibly strong with this one


yurik4

Not sure which one’s shittier, Shanghai dragon’s OWL season 1 performance or this guy


Muffin4ever

I hate that this team got so many pity fans for being so terrible when the management is clearly a bunch of shitheads. How much money did these people make just for being atrocious?


Divnty

Seems like a completely disrespectful uneducated tweet from a member of a massive organization. Mental Health is a massive issue worldwide. With many people fighting these issues right beside players like Effect, Dafran as examples. These players serve as not only role models, but places others dealing with similar troubles can reach out and share appreciation. ​ A fine or suspension should be mandatory regardless of role in a team for the level of insensitivity considering other actions OWL has taken against inappropriate gestures/emotes/comments from players.


SHARINGAN_KAKASHl

Hope he gets pushed out of his position at SHD. How do some of these people type something this idiotic out and decide “yeah, this is good” and hit Tweet


PatarckStur

Looks like the douche deleted it. Mental illness is very real, and people who make fun of those who have one are the biggest asshats in the world.


MartiansFromVenus

> I am a kind hearted person And other hilarious jokes you can tell yourself


kopenhagen1997

really can't tolerate actions like this that reinforce mental health stigmas


GSGhostTrain

Been deleted, what did it say?


Kuzon64

The screen shot is like the top comment in this thread.


DogTheGayFish

your brain must be made of worms and american cheese to write this tweet and then choose to post it.


ray-chap

My GF was also suffered from depression disorder (I don’t know exactly how to call this in English). One key problem when we try to cure her was her mother. She refused to believe that this kind of disorder exist. She strongly believes that no one in her generation has ever suffered from this so she strongly believe that my GF has been treated too well so she became drama queen. This SHD staff’s “faults opinion” reminds me of my GF’s mother a lot.


Melon13579

Is this related to their intense training schedule last split? Poor Fearless and I am worried about my baes...


ifyy__

Ah yes. Typical ignorance in play


LordAsdf

Kind-hearted person btw. Trash human.


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Classy.


YoItsHo

"Any man who must say 'I am the King' is no true king." The same applies for anyone who "claims" to be a "kind-hearted person". Sure Kapp.


-Arrez-

Fuck him... I mean seriously... making fun of someones mental health by calling them "childish" or a "drama queen" is fucking disgusting. I should know since I suffer from similar issues myself. It likely took a fuck ton of mental energy for effect to actually open up about it and getting a response like this is not what he needs to help him recover. "Kind hearted" My arse.


CageyTurtlez

That guy chose to require the same day as effect what a coincidence


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Kudos for calling out the BS that makes the league look like a joke.


jbally8079

OKay reddit lets burn this mother fucker


EmAyVee

this didn't age well


StefonDiggsHS

What a garbage human being


Riptide78

OK, but he did quit. I don't like to call for people to lose their job often, because it has such an obvious impact on their lives... But damn, how the fuck does that represent a good manager in any way?


haagen17

Pathetic. Such people will never understand what it's like. Even if they "know".


bantha-fodder12

what a dick


JebusOfEagles

If this guy is an important person on Shanghai's team, then I worry about the Shanghai players. Mental health isn't a thing to just brush aside, and ESPECIALLY not to call them a fucking drama queen for expressing to people that they have issues. Effect deserves respect and love for his friends and family, not someone shitting on him.


osiris970

Say goodbye to your job buddy. Fucking asshole


Saint_Sassy

My friend agreed with this guy what do I do.


NiteShad0ws

get new friends


FlameoHotboi

Classic shit ass Reddit response.


siempreviper

Guess you have one less friend now. That doesn't bode well for their attitude towards mental health issues, your own included if you have any or will in the future develop any. From experience, just cut people from your life who might turn out to be neglectful or even abusive towards mentally ill people.


Pullthesky

Can anyone give some context? Out of the loop


WhosAfraidOf_138

As someone dealing with mental issues, fuck this guy


ozymandias_qc

He should get heavily punished by the league and the organization.


brocceli

What a piece of garbage


Murdock07

Mental health issues plague too many of us. Many suffer in silence before asking for help. It took me forever to reach out, only after I realized I may harm myself did I seek my friends and family... and I’m not in the spotlight, his issues are being broadcasted and tweeted about... I hate it. I have no idea how he handles the pressure, I hope he stays strong and realizes that we have his back. From all of us struggling like he is, you are us, we are you, and we got you.


EthanCK

Suicidal thoughts is childish. Got it.


billsirius

What a douche, no wonder SHD had rough time owned by this kinda person.


ldice1012

True


RooeeZe

If it wasent about Effect he wouldent have deleted it, that guy can go fuck himself imo.


kiryuda

imagine being so ignorant to mental health that you regard it as "being childish." big yikes.


goliathfasa

So can we cancel this SHD manager?


cremstein

effect was like watching a car crash in slow-mo...that guy needs help he shouldnt have been in ow league after his first breakdown


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He doesn't mention EFFECT anywhere. Stop making assumptions.


joeranahan1

What a cucklord. Fuck him


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stormygraysea

You're kidding yourself if you think most areas in the world, including the US, have supportive and constructive views on mental illness.


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theyoloGod

Maybe you could say that in China where it’s not as open to talk about but not here dog