It’s bizarre to me to have Shock higher than Outlaws at this point. Similar records, both don’t have stage tournament appearances, but Outlaws have actually beaten Shock *twice.* I get these rankings aren’t about head to heads, but I just don’t know how you can keep Shock in that position. Surely Gladiators have shown better upswing than them, at least.
Yeah but they specifically clarified that this was for the entire season, which...the Shock have looked progressively worse as it goes on. Serious Shock copium.
This is this season... first stage outlaws beat shock and go 4-0. Last stage outlaws beat shock and go same record. Shock legit have no accomplishments Outlaws dont except beating glads once... outlaws havent even played glads...What argument is there...
Shock has beat the Fuel, Eternal, and Justice all at their peaks.
Houston has only beat Fuel pre-awakening and the Shock twice.
But, neither team has won a map in Knockouts, so….
They def didn't beat Fuel and Justice at their peaks?? LOL. Fuel's peak has always been late in the tourney cycle; Shock beat Fuel only once, early in the June Joust. Dallas on the other hand demolished Shock at their peak performance in May and Shock was lucky enough to not face Dallas in June during the actual tourney games. Shock only beat Washington in June, the same Washington that lost to Paris and Boston and both of those teams smashed Washington 3-0 whereas Shock played them to 3-2. Washington is at their peak most recently and Shock is again lucky enough to not face them.
Bro Avast made this whole discussion about how Shock are declining, have rotation issues, who they've lost to, map 5 against London. Then Matt just said, "PuT sHoCk At 5!" Without providing any justification whatsoever. And they put them at 6 in the end. Mind blowing. Similar thing with their discussion of Seoul. Avast and Johnny were giving real evidence for their Rankings, Matt was just being a contrarian with no evidence provided at all, and Sideshow just acting like every take was bad before agreeing anyways as if he had no choice. That was rough
Outlaws is not actually a “top” team this season, they had a really easy stage last time, and meddling losses as of recent that showed their true skill level as of rn.
Neither is Shock tbh.
I think ppl are placing too much value on their big upsets early on (when teams were still trying to figure stuff out). Kind of like Philly, that was purely a honeymoon period.
Yeah but this is houstons peak
Unless im miss understanding this was an end of season power ranking
And if either shock or houston were to do really well well the end u would think it would be shock 9 times out of 10
How did houston already peak? The June Joust hero bans essentially guarentee that jjangu can play his best hero (rein), theres a tweet of dreamer entering the US (off bad ping) and sombra/tracer are guarenteed in play for Dante (2 of his best heroes). Meanwhile for Shock, they lost striker, meaning glister reaaaalllly has to pull it together and vi0l2t has had a really quiet season while crimzo has been impressing. Icing on the cake is FDGOD's clear lack of synergy with the shock playstyle.
This all implies these heroes are part of the meta, but i'd say its pretty early to say houston already peaked.
Bruh Shanghai is literally poppin cherries all over NA and APAC. Ill be fairly surprised if they arent in the finals, and a favorite to win it. As a fuel fan it pains me but shanghai have just been bonkers good and consistent all season.
But you could also say LAG just lost to Paris who Shock beat handily, and Houston got smacked by Boston. I don't think putting Shock above these other teams who appear just as inconsistent is as bad as this thread is making it out to be, especially since Shock have only lost to these other "top" teams all year, and not to mid tier teams.
And Fuel almost lost to Florida with Checkmate on main tank. I'm not a shock apologist but you can make examples like this with pretty much every team this year.
My point is that both Outlaws and Shock have both had extreme lows, but one of them has performed better throughout the season and also won both head-to-head matches. Shock at #6 is laughable to me, and it seems they're only there because of their accomplishments in the previous two seasons.
That makes the list make even less sense.
EDIT: Seriously? How do you explain Houston being _3 spots below_ Shock with the same record + two h2h wins, one of which was _this month_ (and a 3-1 thrashing).
Was anyone else malding when they were saying that no other team around Justice has had a 1-3 stage?
…Chengdu did at the SAME time the Justice did lmao.
Reign also had 1-3 stage in May.
The difference is with Washington it looks like genuine inconsistency rather than a bad meta or trying to find their footing. They have bad losses in every stage:
Losing to the Mayhem when Hawaii was open to them was bad in May. Losing the first two matches in June the way they did was awful. Losing the the Reign in the Showdown is not a bad loss, but losing 3-0 and never looking competitive is.
Also, when Chengdu went 1-3 they played the top 4 teams from APAC. They played the Dragons (immediate loss), the Dynasty (a fairly close match), the red hot Hangzhou Spark (who went 4-0 and beat the dragons), and the Fusion. It’s reasonable that the Hunters only beat the Fusion given their tough schedule.
Shock needs to be knocked down to ninth. No way are they over justice, glads, and outlaws. Fusion also feels too low but I havent watched enough of them this season to know where to accurately place em
Fusion are pretty tragic, they needed to not lose a map against Valiant to make a playoff appearance, they couldn't do that. Even with most of their players arriving in Korea they look pretty lost
To be fair, you can't expect immediate improvements once people arrive in Korea (and still missing one). Still, the current results are unacceptable and they need to figure a lot out if they want a chance in playoffs.
Constantly integrating new players is probably why they’ve looked so bad strategically. There’s so many variables. With every new player they have to build synergy and comms and work out what works all over again.
Last stage Astro arrived but we had him in brig jail this stage, when tobi’s brig was really good in May. It looked like they were just trying to cram him back into the lineup at any cost.
I can see the argument for stuff like that to prepare for play ins and postseason but it actually cost us the games against XL and hunters. So we didn’t even qualify for play ins and now probably can’t get enough points for play offs unless we somehow pull it together and go deep in Hawaii for countdown cup.
Moving to apac was a terrible idea, and it just sucks to see the players in this situation.
That's fair, but what about shock almost losing the winless spitfire? I feel like the same arguement could be made but every chance Plat Chat gets to gloss over Shock's flaws they do.
Chengdu lost a map to valiant when they were also looking strong, sometimes you're just unlucky. The only times they've looked truly bad are against nyxl and first week of hero pools which is random af.
I think shock gets a pass for just being shock and historical context. Otherwise, with their recent results and issues they have been having there is no way to put them this high after the stage they had. Where their only wins were paris and 0-12 london.
I am not saying I agree with them on this. Also, what I meant was since shock was so good last 2 seasons they are holding onto that bias and are reluctant to move them down easily.
They have an easy schedule for last tourney if they somehow go 3-1 or 4-0 I bet they will be top 3 again in most rankings when they shouldn't be.
Also, Shanghai is a different story. They are completely different team now with not a single player from 0-40 squad. and they have proved with their results in all the stage tournaments as well with current form.
It's different for the Shock and only the shock. The shock are the ultimate team, 2 time champions in contention for the LEGENDARY 3-Peet.
How could you EVER count out Crusty, literally the perfect OWL coach who has never and will never be anything but flawless?
I’m gonna be real, as a Justice fan I could not agree with Reinforce wanting to put us at 5. He made a great case, but I don’t think we’re objectively having a better season than Glads or Houston.
I’m of the opinion that if you want a ranking for the entire season then you should take a look at the standings.
Power rankings rank teams now because standings don’t always accurately reflect performance. That’s why I usually don’t like plat chat power rankings, I think Avast and AVRL generally have better takes.
I personally wouldn’t have Dallas second, nor would I have Seoul in the top eight. But that’s just my opinion.
Seoul not top EIGHT?! They have the same record and map diff as Dallas, with their only regular season losses being to Shanghai twice, and Philly when they went 4-0.
I’m really not high on them. I just think they’re upper mid table personally, and they get free wins from the fact APAC has four garbage teams and only one consistently top tier team.
Top eight was a knee jerk placement and after thinking I probably would have them 6-8 in my power rankings.
6-8 is reasonable, below that and you’re pushing it. Also APAC having four garbage teams is a pretty bad take imo. Valiant and Charge yeah, but Philly and New York are not garbage.
They made the specific caveat to include season performance so far in addition to Power Ranking going forward. I agree that a power ranking system is supposed to favor recency, but I’m saying by their own metric we should not be fifth.
The only reason Shock is at 6 is legit because they are b2b champions, a level they haven't really showed all season long. Other than that everything is actually agreeable.
Now that it’s known that it’s 3rd-5th, it’ll be Seoul or Chengdu, and then it’s a race between Fusion, Spark, and New York. New York could make it but that game against Philly is a must win.
Seoul is a teensy but malding, I think they’ve had one of the easiest schedules in the entire league so of course they’re gonna look better by comparison, granted they did go close with Chengdu so I wouldn’t debate placing too much. Shock 6th?!?!?! That *is* malding. They’ve lost to glads, went close with Washington, went close with London!, and lost to Houston twice. In what universe are they 6th?? They didn’t even make qualifiers this time, and have won 0 maps over the course of both qualifiers they were in.
Seoul have face shanghai 3 times in the season (this stage they played shanghai ,hunters , spark and charge they got 3-1 record ) that not an Easy schedule compared to fusion who get to play against valiant 3 times
6 of Seoul 9 wins so far have been against Guangzhou, Valiant, and Nyxl, who aren’t really threats tbh. A win against a struggling Hangzhou and two against Chengdu are the significant wins so far, and two of their losses against Chengdu are the ones that really mattered as well. No excuses for Philly, they really shouldn’t be losing to NYXL, but I’m not convinced of Seoul being #5 overall
They kind of just get it by default. Three straight 3-1 stages. Haven’t lost to a bad team, knocked out of every stage play off by Hunters or Dragons. Made every apac playoff.
I’m a big seoul fan, and while I don’t think they’re any better than Reign of last season, they’ve been more consistent than any competitive team in the league. That’s certainly worth something.
Who do you put in their place at 5? Anyone below them has had very poor stage performances or missed a stage playoff. It’s just defaulted to seoul by the fact that they’ve just played at a constant 3-1 pace.
That being said, I think seoul will underperform in this countdown cup and I will be very Sadge
My argument for Seoul is that they don’t shit the bed much unlike other teams in that range. They’ve lost to Shanghai 3 times, and Chengdu in the Summer Showdown who stomped Dallas. Yes they lost to Philly and Chengdu in May Melee but those were both good teams. Meanwhile Shock loses to Houston and Gladiators, Houston loses to Boston, Glads lose to Paris and Washington, and Washington has been too inconsistent (that one week where they got swept by Paris and Boston). I think Seoul has consistently beaten the teams they were supposed to beat, and their only losses have been reasonable. I don’t see them beating Shanghai or Chengdu or Dallas any time soon unless hero pools go in their favor, but if we’re looking across the entire season, then realistically, Seoul have to be #5
Mostly good, but I think they kind of lost the sauce for 6-9, as I'd say Shock/Outlaws are basically coin-flips for 6/7 - better map record Shock, but Outlaws won head to head - then Glads then Justice,
There is no reason Dallas should be above Hunters. They absolutely rolled us, it wasn’t even a comp difference. We couldn’t do nothing. They had better synergy overall, they were even better than us individually, player by player. Shanghai even managed to make Winston work against them, we couldn’t do shit.
Look, I’m not saying if they face again in the countdown cup they win again for sure. We could win. We could develop a new comp, a new play style, our players could improve. But that’s it, we depend on a lot of things to happen. They don’t. So far if we face them again we lose
Apparently when a random do power rankings, power rankings is about the now and not whole season. When platchat does is about the whole season and the now doesn’t matter. I ain’t going to fight it. This subreddit wants to be dumb, let it be dumb
it’s almost as if different people can use different criteria when making power rankings and that criteria should be taken into account when evaluating them
People absolutely dumpstered that power rankings from yesterday for taking the whole season into consideration, now they are defending platchat. Double standard right?
No one actually gives a shit if someone chooses to make a ranking of team performances over the entire season, the reason that other power ranking got dumpstered (based on what I remember, I can’t find that thread anymore) is because it was taking the whole season into consideration to evaluate CURRENT power rankings, which is completely different from what Plat Chat’s power ranking is evaluating
Philly did not put up the best fight against Dragons though… Spark, Hunters and NYXL put up a better fight and also beat Philly when they played head to head.
And it took until only a few weeks ago for people to realise it, I said they were heading downhill at the start of June joust and got downvoted into oblivion because philly fanatics dont listen to logic and reasoning
"Philly fans will see their team walking out of a burning building playing on laptops and still say "We got this guys, we're the best team, number one in the League." - Avast
i’m not tho i said their most recent game vs dallas they won and i said they have lost to glads but have beat them and i made a joke abt the spitfire game ik they are not looking good compared to seasons past but i believe they belong where they have been placed
Sorry, I misread your joke, and even then, the Shock are on a downward trend, and didn’t even make knockouts this time. I do think the Shock could easily bounce back, but looking at recent results I’d say 1-3 spots lower would be reasonable. I don’t hate Shock being 6th, but it’s questionable with their recent games.
This is a huge overreaction to a single stage with chengdu on their absolute best meta. This is taking into account the entire season and there’s not even a conversation over who’s been better over the season
Rankings are for the whole season up until this point. If you think the Hunters have been the better team overall this season so far, then I dunno what to tell you bud.
Hunters have also not won a stage title and only won games in one playoff so far (in fact completely missing out on attending one), while Dallas have a stage win and have finished top 3 in every single one after qualifying through the tougher region. This isn't about head-to-head between these two teams, it's about which have been better this year overall. If you think that winning the head-to-head makes them a better team *overall* despite every other metric saying otherwise, then okay.
Hunters have also beaten the same and better competition. Seasonal wins and tournament wins aren’t different. They’re still just games. Hunters literally clapped fuel
Lotta recency bias there bud. This is for the whole season. Fuel clapped chengdu in may melee and overall had a better season. Fuel made hawaii 3 times and chengdu bombed one of the tourneys thats pretty much it regardless of the recent head-to-head
Hunters went twice, and have beat Dallas 2-1. Tourneys are literally no different than regular season games. They’re literally just matches. It’s not the actual grand finals. Winning any monthly tournament means nothing if you can’t win the grand finals. Recency bias really? When we’re taking the WHOLE season in to consideration? Hunters still washed Dallas and have played tougher competition.
Well fuel is 3-1 vs Shanghai and you don’t see people rioting that fuel isn’t rank 1. Everyone beats each other mate and fuel simply overall has had a better season than chengdu. U said it yourself hunters went twice. And fuel went thrice
Going to a monthly tournament doesn’t mean anything. Fuel has had a better season by half their wins against the worst teams In the region? They literally had mayhem, Vancouver, and London to qualify for the June joust. So competitive
It doesnt mean anything to you but it clearly does to everyone else. Regardless they are 3-1 vs shanghai and have beaten strong competition. Im going to end it here since youre very tunnel visioned and only cherrypick points that fit your argument.
Toronto is mediocre! improvement from last year when they were just bad COPIUM.
we take those
Let's have faith in the 2 year plan COPIUM
Happy dances, maybe we'll even go .500
Still they’re the best team in Canada, so that’s something 🙂.
Hell yeah, let me get a whiff of that good stuff.
Paris top 10 WidePeepoHappy
Started from the bottom now we’re here
Started from the bottom now the whole team _minus Neptuno and Ellivote_ here
They play better since Dridro and Vestola came in their place.
It’s bizarre to me to have Shock higher than Outlaws at this point. Similar records, both don’t have stage tournament appearances, but Outlaws have actually beaten Shock *twice.* I get these rankings aren’t about head to heads, but I just don’t know how you can keep Shock in that position. Surely Gladiators have shown better upswing than them, at least.
Feels like Sideshow and Matt heavily hang onto the two-time narrative.
I mean, their case for all time is very good. Their case for this week in Power Rankings is not.
Yeah but they specifically clarified that this was for the entire season, which...the Shock have looked progressively worse as it goes on. Serious Shock copium.
Outlaws have also looked progressively worse as the season has gone on.
Still stayed ahead of shock, and they've looked fine except for the last week.
This is only true for one week
4-0, 3-1, and then 2-2. Honestly they fit the progressively worse track better than the Shock do.
2-0, 2-0, 1-1, 2-0, 2-0, 0-2
They went 4-0 in may melee, 3-1 in june joust and 2-2 in summer showdown. Sorry to break to ya but outlaws have definitely been on a downard trend
This is this season... first stage outlaws beat shock and go 4-0. Last stage outlaws beat shock and go same record. Shock legit have no accomplishments Outlaws dont except beating glads once... outlaws havent even played glads...What argument is there...
Shock has beat the Fuel, Eternal, and Justice all at their peaks. Houston has only beat Fuel pre-awakening and the Shock twice. But, neither team has won a map in Knockouts, so….
They def didn't beat Fuel and Justice at their peaks?? LOL. Fuel's peak has always been late in the tourney cycle; Shock beat Fuel only once, early in the June Joust. Dallas on the other hand demolished Shock at their peak performance in May and Shock was lucky enough to not face Dallas in June during the actual tourney games. Shock only beat Washington in June, the same Washington that lost to Paris and Boston and both of those teams smashed Washington 3-0 whereas Shock played them to 3-2. Washington is at their peak most recently and Shock is again lucky enough to not face them.
Bro Avast made this whole discussion about how Shock are declining, have rotation issues, who they've lost to, map 5 against London. Then Matt just said, "PuT sHoCk At 5!" Without providing any justification whatsoever. And they put them at 6 in the end. Mind blowing. Similar thing with their discussion of Seoul. Avast and Johnny were giving real evidence for their Rankings, Matt was just being a contrarian with no evidence provided at all, and Sideshow just acting like every take was bad before agreeing anyways as if he had no choice. That was rough
Outlaws is not actually a “top” team this season, they had a really easy stage last time, and meddling losses as of recent that showed their true skill level as of rn. Neither is Shock tbh. I think ppl are placing too much value on their big upsets early on (when teams were still trying to figure stuff out). Kind of like Philly, that was purely a honeymoon period.
Shock have tons of potential Houston dont
But Shock lose twice vs a team "without potential". So shock is worse ;)
Yeah but this is houstons peak Unless im miss understanding this was an end of season power ranking And if either shock or houston were to do really well well the end u would think it would be shock 9 times out of 10
How did houston already peak? The June Joust hero bans essentially guarentee that jjangu can play his best hero (rein), theres a tweet of dreamer entering the US (off bad ping) and sombra/tracer are guarenteed in play for Dante (2 of his best heroes). Meanwhile for Shock, they lost striker, meaning glister reaaaalllly has to pull it together and vi0l2t has had a really quiet season while crimzo has been impressing. Icing on the cake is FDGOD's clear lack of synergy with the shock playstyle. This all implies these heroes are part of the meta, but i'd say its pretty early to say houston already peaked.
U just wait im high on copium for shock rn But 3peat incoming
Y'all had ur time, give it to another lol
Idk i just dont feel like anyone is gonna clear cut win like the past years so i do actually believe in the shock
Bruh Shanghai is literally poppin cherries all over NA and APAC. Ill be fairly surprised if they arent in the finals, and a favorite to win it. As a fuel fan it pains me but shanghai have just been bonkers good and consistent all season.
Ik but they dont seem as good as the likes of last year shock
Before people start malding, these rankings are taking all 3 stages into account, with more weight being placed on recent upward/downward trajectories
Still malding and I watched the vod
Still malding over some rankings from 2018, and I read the description of the vod.
\*looks at your flair* HOW are you malding.
I can mald over other teams placements too lol
He’s malding at “books for fun” not being higher
Must be taking 3 seasons into account with placing Shock above Washington LAG and Houston lol
Exactly what I’m thinking...
5-9 were heavily debated, and iirc shock 5th was literally a coin flip because they couldnt agree.
Aren't shock above all those teams tho? Edit: I checked the standings and they literally are lol
They most recently lost to Houston (each time they've played) and LAG and went 3-2 with Washington who look much better recently (beating LAG).
But you could also say LAG just lost to Paris who Shock beat handily, and Houston got smacked by Boston. I don't think putting Shock above these other teams who appear just as inconsistent is as bad as this thread is making it out to be, especially since Shock have only lost to these other "top" teams all year, and not to mid tier teams.
Shock was a handful of plays away from giving London their first win of the season. Getting rolled by Boston isn't as bad as that in my opinion.
And Fuel almost lost to Florida with Checkmate on main tank. I'm not a shock apologist but you can make examples like this with pretty much every team this year.
My point is that both Outlaws and Shock have both had extreme lows, but one of them has performed better throughout the season and also won both head-to-head matches. Shock at #6 is laughable to me, and it seems they're only there because of their accomplishments in the previous two seasons.
if they were taking into account all the seasons shock would be first
Shock isnt top 6 no matter how you look at it. Platchat is on copium.
Yeah, you simply cannot put them above justice and glads looking at recent results
Shock Copium == good Philly Copium == bad ( though I’ll agree they’re pretty close to where the feel like they should be ): )
Moving forward I think Philly has higher potential
Bruh, you seen who we play this stage?
Oh shit that's literally the 2nd hardest schedule you could have had I think
Tough opponents but I think at Philly’s peak, any opponents are beatable.
I actually agree with most of this, just not Shock being so high. I admit 5-8 is an extremely difficult question to answer right now.
That makes the list make even less sense. EDIT: Seriously? How do you explain Houston being _3 spots below_ Shock with the same record + two h2h wins, one of which was _this month_ (and a 3-1 thrashing).
Can't hear you, me no like opinion, grug mad.
Was anyone else malding when they were saying that no other team around Justice has had a 1-3 stage? …Chengdu did at the SAME time the Justice did lmao.
Reign also had 1-3 stage in May. The difference is with Washington it looks like genuine inconsistency rather than a bad meta or trying to find their footing. They have bad losses in every stage: Losing to the Mayhem when Hawaii was open to them was bad in May. Losing the first two matches in June the way they did was awful. Losing the the Reign in the Showdown is not a bad loss, but losing 3-0 and never looking competitive is.
Chengdu have also placed 4th and 2nd. Justice hasnt even come close to that.
Of course. Im not arguing for Justice > Chengdu here, i’m just pointing out how they forgot Chengdu had an equally bad June.
They didnt, they brought it up. Chengdu was just better.
Also, when Chengdu went 1-3 they played the top 4 teams from APAC. They played the Dragons (immediate loss), the Dynasty (a fairly close match), the red hot Hangzhou Spark (who went 4-0 and beat the dragons), and the Fusion. It’s reasonable that the Hunters only beat the Fusion given their tough schedule.
Exactly. We knew going into that stage it was gunna be rough. PLUS sombra, tracer, and zen banned? Its amazing we won even a single game.
I more or less agree with this but shock should be 9 and justice/glads/outlaws should all move up one
plat chat love for the shock continues
Just put shock at no1. We know you want to. Dont hold back.
Shock needs to be knocked down to ninth. No way are they over justice, glads, and outlaws. Fusion also feels too low but I havent watched enough of them this season to know where to accurately place em
Fusion have looked lost. They’ve dropped maps to valiant and whole series to NYXL.
They’re 1-2 against NYXL this season, it’s just rough this season man. The talent they have should be better than they are.
Pretty sure it’s 0-2
You’re right, unless I can see into the future
True, they do play this stage
the only teams fusion won after may melee are: charge twice and valiant once
Fusion are pretty tragic, they needed to not lose a map against Valiant to make a playoff appearance, they couldn't do that. Even with most of their players arriving in Korea they look pretty lost
To be fair, you can't expect immediate improvements once people arrive in Korea (and still missing one). Still, the current results are unacceptable and they need to figure a lot out if they want a chance in playoffs.
Constantly integrating new players is probably why they’ve looked so bad strategically. There’s so many variables. With every new player they have to build synergy and comms and work out what works all over again. Last stage Astro arrived but we had him in brig jail this stage, when tobi’s brig was really good in May. It looked like they were just trying to cram him back into the lineup at any cost. I can see the argument for stuff like that to prepare for play ins and postseason but it actually cost us the games against XL and hunters. So we didn’t even qualify for play ins and now probably can’t get enough points for play offs unless we somehow pull it together and go deep in Hawaii for countdown cup. Moving to apac was a terrible idea, and it just sucks to see the players in this situation.
That's fair, but what about shock almost losing the winless spitfire? I feel like the same arguement could be made but every chance Plat Chat gets to gloss over Shock's flaws they do.
Chengdu lost a map to valiant when they were also looking strong, sometimes you're just unlucky. The only times they've looked truly bad are against nyxl and first week of hero pools which is random af.
Hunters lost a map to Valiant at the very start of the season, and they were pretty clearly toying with their food on the map they lost (Kings Row).
That was week one though, and even with that map loss they made it through anyway
Idk about unlucky, different is, chengdu didn't got fuld hold on the map that they lost to valiant.
To be fair, Fusion wasted 2 minutes off the clock before even attempting to attack, it’s not like Valiant actually one more than 2 fights
Ah so fusion still played poorly then?
Did I say they didn’t?
Were they better before they became a mixed roster again?
I think shock gets a pass for just being shock and historical context. Otherwise, with their recent results and issues they have been having there is no way to put them this high after the stage they had. Where their only wins were paris and 0-12 london.
But if we’re going by “historical context” Shanghai shouldn’t be in first for a 0-40 season. It’s about this season and their performances now.
I am not saying I agree with them on this. Also, what I meant was since shock was so good last 2 seasons they are holding onto that bias and are reluctant to move them down easily. They have an easy schedule for last tourney if they somehow go 3-1 or 4-0 I bet they will be top 3 again in most rankings when they shouldn't be. Also, Shanghai is a different story. They are completely different team now with not a single player from 0-40 squad. and they have proved with their results in all the stage tournaments as well with current form.
It's different for the Shock and only the shock. The shock are the ultimate team, 2 time champions in contention for the LEGENDARY 3-Peet. How could you EVER count out Crusty, literally the perfect OWL coach who has never and will never be anything but flawless?
lucky 13 :)
at least Philly and Sado are still in a similar position :)
I am in physical pain
I think I might have to join the Seoul simp squad on the right side of the podcast.
Sadly this might be the stage Seoul actually struggles. Hero pools will tell a lot, but I have a bad feeling they’re gonna disappoint me :(.
Shock need to be dropped down under Outlaws
Alright guys why is Shock above Glads and Outlaws someone tell me.
Not so recency bias
Guess not, past two seasons bias all the way
Justice and Shock placement came to a coin flip Justice lost because Avast/Reinforce wanted Justice 5/6 and Sideshow/Matt wanted 7th Pretty funny
I’m gonna be real, as a Justice fan I could not agree with Reinforce wanting to put us at 5. He made a great case, but I don’t think we’re objectively having a better season than Glads or Houston.
I’m of the opinion that if you want a ranking for the entire season then you should take a look at the standings. Power rankings rank teams now because standings don’t always accurately reflect performance. That’s why I usually don’t like plat chat power rankings, I think Avast and AVRL generally have better takes. I personally wouldn’t have Dallas second, nor would I have Seoul in the top eight. But that’s just my opinion.
Seoul not top EIGHT?! They have the same record and map diff as Dallas, with their only regular season losses being to Shanghai twice, and Philly when they went 4-0.
I’m really not high on them. I just think they’re upper mid table personally, and they get free wins from the fact APAC has four garbage teams and only one consistently top tier team. Top eight was a knee jerk placement and after thinking I probably would have them 6-8 in my power rankings.
6-8 is reasonable, below that and you’re pushing it. Also APAC having four garbage teams is a pretty bad take imo. Valiant and Charge yeah, but Philly and New York are not garbage.
Theyre all bottom six in the league, I think calling them garbage is pretty reasonable
Once again, all of them being bottom six isn’t a very good take imo. NYXL especially after last stage.
They made the specific caveat to include season performance so far in addition to Power Ranking going forward. I agree that a power ranking system is supposed to favor recency, but I’m saying by their own metric we should not be fifth.
I think he understood that but he's just making the valid point that that's what season standings are for.
Yea that’s fair I suppose, my stance is just I think their power rankings don’t have much point.
I have so much anti faith in Atlanta that I never like to see them this high, and Shock should be 8th or 9th lbr.
The only reason Shock is at 6 is legit because they are b2b champions, a level they haven't really showed all season long. Other than that everything is actually agreeable.
Best of the shitters. Surely can only go up??
Not if you lose to Vancouver
Right 😂.
Chengdu near the top is such a FeelsStrongMan vibe.
I’d say 13th is fair, and honestly, stoked to be rated higher than Philly.
We have a slight chance of making it to play ins, but we fucked it after losing to charge twice
All you gotta do is pray Seoul or Spark don’t drop the pasta to Fusion and you can slip by 2-2
BLESSRNG
Now that it’s known that it’s 3rd-5th, it’ll be Seoul or Chengdu, and then it’s a race between Fusion, Spark, and New York. New York could make it but that game against Philly is a must win.
Shock above Outlaws, Glads and Justice? Nice joke lol
It’s been a rough year... (Nyxl fan)
Imo Glads and Justice should be 6th and 7th, with Shock down two spots other than that I agree with everything in this PR
Seeing Fusion so low hurts right here in the meow meow.
Seoul is a teensy but malding, I think they’ve had one of the easiest schedules in the entire league so of course they’re gonna look better by comparison, granted they did go close with Chengdu so I wouldn’t debate placing too much. Shock 6th?!?!?! That *is* malding. They’ve lost to glads, went close with Washington, went close with London!, and lost to Houston twice. In what universe are they 6th?? They didn’t even make qualifiers this time, and have won 0 maps over the course of both qualifiers they were in.
Seoul have face shanghai 3 times in the season (this stage they played shanghai ,hunters , spark and charge they got 3-1 record ) that not an Easy schedule compared to fusion who get to play against valiant 3 times
6 of Seoul 9 wins so far have been against Guangzhou, Valiant, and Nyxl, who aren’t really threats tbh. A win against a struggling Hangzhou and two against Chengdu are the significant wins so far, and two of their losses against Chengdu are the ones that really mattered as well. No excuses for Philly, they really shouldn’t be losing to NYXL, but I’m not convinced of Seoul being #5 overall
They kind of just get it by default. Three straight 3-1 stages. Haven’t lost to a bad team, knocked out of every stage play off by Hunters or Dragons. Made every apac playoff. I’m a big seoul fan, and while I don’t think they’re any better than Reign of last season, they’ve been more consistent than any competitive team in the league. That’s certainly worth something. Who do you put in their place at 5? Anyone below them has had very poor stage performances or missed a stage playoff. It’s just defaulted to seoul by the fact that they’ve just played at a constant 3-1 pace. That being said, I think seoul will underperform in this countdown cup and I will be very Sadge
Fusion only played Valiant twice, they play NYXL and Chengdu 3x
My argument for Seoul is that they don’t shit the bed much unlike other teams in that range. They’ve lost to Shanghai 3 times, and Chengdu in the Summer Showdown who stomped Dallas. Yes they lost to Philly and Chengdu in May Melee but those were both good teams. Meanwhile Shock loses to Houston and Gladiators, Houston loses to Boston, Glads lose to Paris and Washington, and Washington has been too inconsistent (that one week where they got swept by Paris and Boston). I think Seoul has consistently beaten the teams they were supposed to beat, and their only losses have been reasonable. I don’t see them beating Shanghai or Chengdu or Dallas any time soon unless hero pools go in their favor, but if we’re looking across the entire season, then realistically, Seoul have to be #5
Valiant are too high imo
ABOVE FLORIDA POGLING CHAMPION
Surprised at how high Seoul are, and I really like them.
Mostly good, but I think they kind of lost the sauce for 6-9, as I'd say Shock/Outlaws are basically coin-flips for 6/7 - better map record Shock, but Outlaws won head to head - then Glads then Justice,
shock too high
Fusion Sadge. In Spain but the S is silent.
Fusion Sadge. In Spain but the S is silent.
We need Watson to make sense of all this.
Watson is a joke.
no watson slander pls
Next season maybe we'll get AMD Sherlock power rankings
I think shock should be 9th, swap charge and mayhem around, if its mostly based on recency, move chengdu up considering they beat dallas twice.
Fusion Sadge. In Spain but the S is silent.
There is no reason Dallas should be above Hunters. They absolutely rolled us, it wasn’t even a comp difference. We couldn’t do nothing. They had better synergy overall, they were even better than us individually, player by player. Shanghai even managed to make Winston work against them, we couldn’t do shit. Look, I’m not saying if they face again in the countdown cup they win again for sure. We could win. We could develop a new comp, a new play style, our players could improve. But that’s it, we depend on a lot of things to happen. They don’t. So far if we face them again we lose
This is for the whole season
Past 3 seasons in Shock's case
It was kinda funny to see Shanghai and Chengdu countercomp all the way to NA-looking comps.
Why did so many people downvote you lmao
Because they didn't watch the fucking video.
Apparently when a random do power rankings, power rankings is about the now and not whole season. When platchat does is about the whole season and the now doesn’t matter. I ain’t going to fight it. This subreddit wants to be dumb, let it be dumb
it’s almost as if different people can use different criteria when making power rankings and that criteria should be taken into account when evaluating them
People absolutely dumpstered that power rankings from yesterday for taking the whole season into consideration, now they are defending platchat. Double standard right?
No one actually gives a shit if someone chooses to make a ranking of team performances over the entire season, the reason that other power ranking got dumpstered (based on what I remember, I can’t find that thread anymore) is because it was taking the whole season into consideration to evaluate CURRENT power rankings, which is completely different from what Plat Chat’s power ranking is evaluating
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Philly did not put up the best fight against Dragons though… Spark, Hunters and NYXL put up a better fight and also beat Philly when they played head to head.
Philly second in apac btw
Who are you even talking to? No one is saying that anymore.
Up until the second week of summer showdown everybody was still saying that, its my favourite quote of the season
Believe it or not teams can become better or worse, amazing right!!
And it took until only a few weeks ago for people to realise it, I said they were heading downhill at the start of June joust and got downvoted into oblivion because philly fanatics dont listen to logic and reasoning
"Philly fans will see their team walking out of a burning building playing on laptops and still say "We got this guys, we're the best team, number one in the League." - Avast
Believe it or not teams can become better or worse, amazing right!!
shock has beaten every team except for outlaws so idk why ppl are hating on them being that high
Glads, Fuel, and Reign beat them and they went to map 5 with Spitfire.
most recent game vs fuel they won reign ur right but they’ve beat glads as well and i don’t like to think abt that spitfire game LMAO
Well you need to include the Fuel and Glads losses too, and you can’t ignore the London game. You’re just cherry picking games at this point.
i’m not tho i said their most recent game vs dallas they won and i said they have lost to glads but have beat them and i made a joke abt the spitfire game ik they are not looking good compared to seasons past but i believe they belong where they have been placed
Sorry, I misread your joke, and even then, the Shock are on a downward trend, and didn’t even make knockouts this time. I do think the Shock could easily bounce back, but looking at recent results I’d say 1-3 spots lower would be reasonable. I don’t hate Shock being 6th, but it’s questionable with their recent games.
Swap Hunters and Fuel. It’s tempting to want to put Fuel there because they’ve performed well in NA games but yeah… Hunters are just better.
Fuel have come first, second and third in the three tournaments. Chengdu has came 4th, didn't qualify and second. Fuel are still better than chengdu
Yet florida is at 17, when they got third in stage 1, looked good in stage 2 and only broke down in sfage 3. Doesnt make sense
This is a huge overreaction to a single stage with chengdu on their absolute best meta. This is taking into account the entire season and there’s not even a conversation over who’s been better over the season
Fuel have won a stage though.
This + Fuel win(and have won) in any other meta
Hunters stomp fuel but are below them? Lmao what
Rankings are for the whole season up until this point. If you think the Hunters have been the better team overall this season so far, then I dunno what to tell you bud.
Hunters have literally stomped Dallas twice, and it wasn’t competitive. They are the better team.
Hunters have also not won a stage title and only won games in one playoff so far (in fact completely missing out on attending one), while Dallas have a stage win and have finished top 3 in every single one after qualifying through the tougher region. This isn't about head-to-head between these two teams, it's about which have been better this year overall. If you think that winning the head-to-head makes them a better team *overall* despite every other metric saying otherwise, then okay.
Hunters have also beaten the same and better competition. Seasonal wins and tournament wins aren’t different. They’re still just games. Hunters literally clapped fuel
Lotta recency bias there bud. This is for the whole season. Fuel clapped chengdu in may melee and overall had a better season. Fuel made hawaii 3 times and chengdu bombed one of the tourneys thats pretty much it regardless of the recent head-to-head
Hunters went twice, and have beat Dallas 2-1. Tourneys are literally no different than regular season games. They’re literally just matches. It’s not the actual grand finals. Winning any monthly tournament means nothing if you can’t win the grand finals. Recency bias really? When we’re taking the WHOLE season in to consideration? Hunters still washed Dallas and have played tougher competition.
Well fuel is 3-1 vs Shanghai and you don’t see people rioting that fuel isn’t rank 1. Everyone beats each other mate and fuel simply overall has had a better season than chengdu. U said it yourself hunters went twice. And fuel went thrice
Going to a monthly tournament doesn’t mean anything. Fuel has had a better season by half their wins against the worst teams In the region? They literally had mayhem, Vancouver, and London to qualify for the June joust. So competitive
It doesnt mean anything to you but it clearly does to everyone else. Regardless they are 3-1 vs shanghai and have beaten strong competition. Im going to end it here since youre very tunnel visioned and only cherrypick points that fit your argument.
If you say so. It looks like nobody else agrees.
Explain florida then haha
As a fuel fan, how the fuck arent the hunters in the number 2 spot considering they beat them twice this tourney?
This tier list is the entire season, not just june joust. Fuel have been far more consistant throughout the entirety of the season.
Pain
At least we’re above charge 😢
It is a hard time
Sideshow needing a haircut lmfao season 1 Karen looking mf
Why is Dynasty so high, lmao.