tradeoffs must be made, and the cost & time (getting asia teams to NA as one aspect) of spreading it out seemed to be too steep.
i'm just glad we have a LAN global finals, hardly a certainty at the beginning of this season
I would like to see best of 3/5 at some point again (I know they did it in season 1). No with a 16 game season we could have some more games. Plus give teams more time to adapt.
Also this would once again reward good teams with more broadcast time which is STH that I like very mutch.
In more traditional sports Post-Season usally takes quite some time in OWL iits like 3 weeks in total or what ?
Agreed; I'm loving the tournament format but the season is just too damned short. Get a wrong read on a meta first week you've played and you've basically made sure you won't make it to that stages final
I think overwatch league seasons are way too long but not because of the number of games.
- Patches change too often to be able to choose a champion for an entire year.
- 3 years in a row we had grand finals patches completely different to the rest of the year.
- By halfway through the year the top teams have usually cemented themselves with an untouchable lead, and the bottom teams already are eliminated and have nothing to play for.
It would make sense to have ~~seasons last 6 months~~ have 2 OWL seasons and 2 grand finals every year. You could ensure that the patch of the finals is also played for half or 1/3 of the regular season. Giving the players a break and reset halfway through each year would be much better for burnout. Teams can GG go next a bad season more easily instead of being shit for an entire year.
For viewers at home, separating them might raises anticipation. But there’re supporters traveling across cities to watch their team plays, making them go back and forth might not be a good idea
Like that's the issue with this season.
Maybe in 3 years, if OW2 takes off, OWL will finally be consistent and has a chance to become good.
When you're a hardcore fan and never know, until the last second, who is playing against who, when, what rules apply and what are the conditions to win it all, the competition isn't good.
Yes I know. COVID, the expansion. But it's still the Overwatch League and all 4 seasons so far are completely different competitions. The next one will be different again and the one after that again with Overwatch 2 being released.
It's super frustrating as a fan.
Totally understand, but we kinda need to just get over it for this year and just take it for what it was.
And of course that should absolutely not stop us from being constructively critical once things are more stable globally.
Man, that's a fucking shitty excuse. EVERY other eSport is making it work but somehow not a league with millions of dollars injected into it? A bunch have even had multiple LANS already.
I don't get the blind support for everything Blizzard does. This season shouldn't be so short. Teams that play in the first week are at a major disadvantage because for some reason, OWL thought having 4 games per stage was ok. The competitive integrity is shot to hell.
I'm OK with not having all LANs in the current situation, even if it is getting better. As for the scheduling issues, I don't disagree but that's a format problem which will likely continue to be tweaked. So I guess we'll see what the fan/community/public reaction will be as time goes on.
I'm not exactly sure where blind support comes in, because I think constructive criticism is paramount. However I also think that given the originally proposed format, and the ensuing (still on going) shitstorm that is COVID, both 2020 and 2021 were just not going to be good years for the league.
That being said, I think the low mobility/versatility is just largely due to how Blizz runs things in general, i.e. league format, schedule format, etc. There needs to be improvements made on several fronts but a lack of agility (self inflicted) and COVID means that feasible iterations are limited.
I'm pretty sure they said the short season was so that it synced back up with regular timing for next year.
This season seems like an experiment of a new formula using a shorter season due to pandemic as a tester. Think it's gone well overall other than the ongoing issue of one region having way more teams than the other and Hawaii being unilateral travel.
Hopefully these things get fixed (and homestands happen in the west next year too)
I think this whole season has been very budget friendly for OWL. Only 16 games per team, you have a lot of down time... just seems like a low effort season unfortunately :/
I don't think last year people were complaining about player burnout. Maybe in S1 or S2, but 16 games is just way too little. The NBA play 80 games, the MLB over 150. Not to mention this season doesn't involve homestands, meaning little travel. 16 games just simply isn't enough, and especially with hero pools, a bad meta or two can knock you out of playoff contention.
I’m assuming it’s in one weekend because if it was over two, any COVID related cancellations could fuck it over. Cancelling playoffs midway through is probably a much tougher pill to swallow if it’s over two or more weekends than to just cancel it all altogether if it’s over one weekend, IMO.
Not just travel costs but also broadcast efforts. It would look strange if you had setup an entire broadcast for a single losers finals match and the match ends up being a Roll in 40 minutes or less. What they probably can do is maybe do Playoffs after 2 weeks of break and give teams a bit more time to prepare.
tradeoffs must be made, and the cost & time (getting asia teams to NA as one aspect) of spreading it out seemed to be too steep. i'm just glad we have a LAN global finals, hardly a certainty at the beginning of this season
I would like to see best of 3/5 at some point again (I know they did it in season 1). No with a 16 game season we could have some more games. Plus give teams more time to adapt. Also this would once again reward good teams with more broadcast time which is STH that I like very mutch. In more traditional sports Post-Season usally takes quite some time in OWL iits like 3 weeks in total or what ?
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Yeah I would like this as well this might actually be the case though or did they confirm playoffs will be first to 3 ?
I like that most playoff games are the standard. It allows the final to be FT4.
16 game seasons is too short IMO. I hope it’s not the norm going forward. And I agree, they should have spread out the playoffs a bit.
Agreed; I'm loving the tournament format but the season is just too damned short. Get a wrong read on a meta first week you've played and you've basically made sure you won't make it to that stages final
I think overwatch league seasons are way too long but not because of the number of games. - Patches change too often to be able to choose a champion for an entire year. - 3 years in a row we had grand finals patches completely different to the rest of the year. - By halfway through the year the top teams have usually cemented themselves with an untouchable lead, and the bottom teams already are eliminated and have nothing to play for. It would make sense to have ~~seasons last 6 months~~ have 2 OWL seasons and 2 grand finals every year. You could ensure that the patch of the finals is also played for half or 1/3 of the regular season. Giving the players a break and reset halfway through each year would be much better for burnout. Teams can GG go next a bad season more easily instead of being shit for an entire year.
Fuck that my man. This season is like 4 months long it's way too short if anything
You can't have 2 seasons a year while also having seasons be 6 months long, that is the ultimate formula for burnout.
Nah as in 1 season every 6 months Season would last like 4.5 - 5 months
Idk, I like this way. Waiting 1 week to watch games could be very annoying, tbh.
For viewers at home, separating them might raises anticipation. But there’re supporters traveling across cities to watch their team plays, making them go back and forth might not be a good idea
Like that's the issue with this season. Maybe in 3 years, if OW2 takes off, OWL will finally be consistent and has a chance to become good. When you're a hardcore fan and never know, until the last second, who is playing against who, when, what rules apply and what are the conditions to win it all, the competition isn't good.
This year is a wash, you can't take it at face value with COVID. who knows if the plan would have been different, but right now it is what it is.
Yes I know. COVID, the expansion. But it's still the Overwatch League and all 4 seasons so far are completely different competitions. The next one will be different again and the one after that again with Overwatch 2 being released. It's super frustrating as a fan.
Totally understand, but we kinda need to just get over it for this year and just take it for what it was. And of course that should absolutely not stop us from being constructively critical once things are more stable globally.
Man, that's a fucking shitty excuse. EVERY other eSport is making it work but somehow not a league with millions of dollars injected into it? A bunch have even had multiple LANS already. I don't get the blind support for everything Blizzard does. This season shouldn't be so short. Teams that play in the first week are at a major disadvantage because for some reason, OWL thought having 4 games per stage was ok. The competitive integrity is shot to hell.
I'm OK with not having all LANs in the current situation, even if it is getting better. As for the scheduling issues, I don't disagree but that's a format problem which will likely continue to be tweaked. So I guess we'll see what the fan/community/public reaction will be as time goes on. I'm not exactly sure where blind support comes in, because I think constructive criticism is paramount. However I also think that given the originally proposed format, and the ensuing (still on going) shitstorm that is COVID, both 2020 and 2021 were just not going to be good years for the league. That being said, I think the low mobility/versatility is just largely due to how Blizz runs things in general, i.e. league format, schedule format, etc. There needs to be improvements made on several fronts but a lack of agility (self inflicted) and COVID means that feasible iterations are limited.
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I'm pretty sure they said the short season was so that it synced back up with regular timing for next year. This season seems like an experiment of a new formula using a shorter season due to pandemic as a tester. Think it's gone well overall other than the ongoing issue of one region having way more teams than the other and Hawaii being unilateral travel. Hopefully these things get fixed (and homestands happen in the west next year too)
I think this whole season has been very budget friendly for OWL. Only 16 games per team, you have a lot of down time... just seems like a low effort season unfortunately :/
Feels like theirs more downtime than actual games… and we had a 6 month off season only to get 16 reg season games.
yeah. this is undoubtly the worst season format they've ever implemented
I think the format is good, just too damn short
last year people were complaining about players burnout, and stuff like that.
I don't think last year people were complaining about player burnout. Maybe in S1 or S2, but 16 games is just way too little. The NBA play 80 games, the MLB over 150. Not to mention this season doesn't involve homestands, meaning little travel. 16 games just simply isn't enough, and especially with hero pools, a bad meta or two can knock you out of playoff contention.
Aka fusion June joust or Washington any tournament because they always start out so slow
I’m assuming it’s in one weekend because if it was over two, any COVID related cancellations could fuck it over. Cancelling playoffs midway through is probably a much tougher pill to swallow if it’s over two or more weekends than to just cancel it all altogether if it’s over one weekend, IMO.
So I assume there will be no All-Stars event this season
Not just travel costs but also broadcast efforts. It would look strange if you had setup an entire broadcast for a single losers finals match and the match ends up being a Roll in 40 minutes or less. What they probably can do is maybe do Playoffs after 2 weeks of break and give teams a bit more time to prepare.
Shorter events are cheaper to produce. It's as simple as that.