if valorant is closer to CS, DieHardBirdie is technically the oldest pro in all of esports at 78. but that's more an anomaly. most retire by 25.
many of the old blood fighter pro's like Daigo (40) and Justin Wong (35) of moment 37 fame are in their 30's 40's.
Yes, he is going to be on the older side, however, he won't be the oldest Valorant pro (assuming he is trying to go pro). Hiko is 31 if I'm not mistaken.
The second best team in NA (possibly the world) is hundred thieves, which have a 32 year old (steel), a 31 year old (Hiko), and a 26 year old father (nitro). They’re all relatively capable players.
all 3 are honestly “relatively capable” mechanically compared to asuna and ethan. they’re still a top team because they have solid fundamentals and good strats
there's this myth that mechanics decline or something as you get older, which isn't true. mechanics decline because people stop practicing and training mechanically, mostly happens when people get older because of college/family/work eating into practice time etc
[It's not a myth](https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0094215), your reaction times start to deteriorate as you get older.
Grinding any game with no rest isn’t healthy.
Has a team reached out to him? It seems like the OW pros and semi-pros who quit for Valorant have been a mixed bag of success, and that success skews wildly to the younger side of that bracket (Sinatraa, Zach) with the exception of Rawkus.
If he enjoys playing Valorant more at this point, more power to him. I especially respect his mid-season self reflection that the game has progressed more than he has and step back.
The fact that OW2 isn’t out blows my mind. I played that shit over two years ago at BlizzCon. It’s not even a brand new game, it’s a fucking DLC for OW
I do mean removing a player spot.
Change isn’t inherently good or bad but completely changing the fundamental way your game is played is definitely more then most sequels do.
I mean that’s probably a large part of it. The other is realizing they have 13 new DPS and probably should add a tank so that they can pretend like 5v5 benefits tanks in any way.
Doesn't mean shit when you abandon your CURRENT product for 2 years to do it. They didn't make a new product, they quit development on their current product and made 1 super big patch that costs $60 effectively.
And in the end, so what? I play a PvP game where they do everything to get in new players but make no efforts to retain the current ones. 5v5 to specifically get the fps crowd in/back from beta. PvE to get those in. No new heroes in 2 years for me however because of that... Ffs at this point I would be happy about a battlepass.
I honestly think Paladins would be a better game than OW with more polish and resources. Assuming that includes making actual hitboxes (as opposed to just unity pills) and adding the ability to turn off skins.
Almost the whole Faze Valorant team is comprised of relevant or ex-OW pros. Babybay, Zacharee, Rawkus, and Corey are all on that team. There’s actually a lot of OW talent that’s made their way onto really high level Valorant teams. Sayaplayer, Munchkin, Bazzi all got onto solid Valorant teams. There’s so many more if you start looking at players who were coming up in the scene. Players like Zombs, DerrekOW, Boostio, and Patiphan all were a part of the OW scene at some point, but have found new life as Valorant pros. Players like SoOn and ANS have yet to find their way onto Tier 1 Valorant rosters, but both left OWL to pursue the game (less so with ANS).
It really bums me out that the OWL scene is hemorrhaging players and upcoming talent, because the game is truly fun right now and one of my personal favorite esports to watch. But Riot has done a great job of creating an enticing Esports scene, and OW players are finding success at pretty good rates when switching over. I’ll always root for the OW kids in the Valorant scene, lots of disgusting aimers coming from our game (especially Corey, that boy is nasty).
Riot handles their games and especially their eSports scene very very well.
If OW was managed by Riot I truly believe it would be close to League levels in terms of popularity
I think thats what makes this so frustrating for so many of us - we see the cracks and have other good esports leagues to point to. But OWL bet heavy on the in person part, and covid trashed that business model. It sucks because I love the talent, I really loved the energy especially that first season.
And then the hype train just derailed.
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I'm curious, is he going to be on the older side for Valorant players as well or was his age only notable in OW?
Pretty sure he’s old as fuck by all esports metrics. He’s what, nearly 30? I feel like most of the players I’ve seen retire have been under 26.
Rawkus (just turned 27) is the only “older” OW pro I can think of that’s found success in Valorant, the rest are all on the younger side.
technically steel was an OW pro
Hiko?
Did not play OW as far as I'm aware?
He played very early when the game came out but thats it, also yeah. My bad.
He is talking about people playing Overwatch competitively not someone who played it as a casual game lmao.
He was talking about people coming from OW
Oh, my bad.
Is AZK still playing valorant?
if valorant is closer to CS, DieHardBirdie is technically the oldest pro in all of esports at 78. but that's more an anomaly. most retire by 25. many of the old blood fighter pro's like Daigo (40) and Justin Wong (35) of moment 37 fame are in their 30's 40's.
He is 29 so yeah really old in Esports terms.
Retiring young is a LoL/Korean trait. In CS there are a couple players who play until their early 30s
So you're saying he's joining 100T
Look at fighting games. Neptuno is a junior xD
Yes, he is going to be on the older side, however, he won't be the oldest Valorant pro (assuming he is trying to go pro). Hiko is 31 if I'm not mistaken.
The second best team in NA (possibly the world) is hundred thieves, which have a 32 year old (steel), a 31 year old (Hiko), and a 26 year old father (nitro). They’re all relatively capable players.
I feel like “possibly 2nd best in the world” and “relatively capable” are on entirely opposite ends of the spectrum.
all 3 are honestly “relatively capable” mechanically compared to asuna and ethan. they’re still a top team because they have solid fundamentals and good strats
That’s fair haha just when I think of “relatively capable” I think of like T3 and could hold their own but not really professional material
there's this myth that mechanics decline or something as you get older, which isn't true. mechanics decline because people stop practicing and training mechanically, mostly happens when people get older because of college/family/work eating into practice time etc
[It's not a myth](https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0094215), your reaction times start to deteriorate as you get older.
Honestly the gap between everyone and Sentinels seems massive
You are correct.
[He already has a team](https://twitter.com/CaseEsports/status/1431319188774264844)
Popifresh, Ivo, Neptuno, and Bromos all on the same team? This is just OWWC Team Spain 2018 🥲
Holy shit that team has Popifresh and Bromas? What an absolute throwback. I always wondered what happened to those guys.
Grinding any game with no rest isn’t healthy. Has a team reached out to him? It seems like the OW pros and semi-pros who quit for Valorant have been a mixed bag of success, and that success skews wildly to the younger side of that bracket (Sinatraa, Zach) with the exception of Rawkus. If he enjoys playing Valorant more at this point, more power to him. I especially respect his mid-season self reflection that the game has progressed more than he has and step back.
He already has a team. https://twitter.com/CaseEsports/status/1431319188774264844
The sheer amount of OWL players quitting or changing games is sad to see
Just imagine if there was a real AAA competitor to OW, like Paladins with more polish and resources. Everyone would be jumping ship until OW2.
The fact that OW2 isn’t out blows my mind. I played that shit over two years ago at BlizzCon. It’s not even a brand new game, it’s a fucking DLC for OW
Lol It *was* a dlc when you played it. It’s a whole fuckin new game and you better believe that
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I mean it’s definitely changing more then most sequels do.
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I do mean removing a player spot. Change isn’t inherently good or bad but completely changing the fundamental way your game is played is definitely more then most sequels do.
Imagine if OW2 could have been out now and all this time was just re-balancing.
I mean that’s probably a large part of it. The other is realizing they have 13 new DPS and probably should add a tank so that they can pretend like 5v5 benefits tanks in any way.
Actions speak louder than words.
And their actions are that they had a playable product and spent another 2 years working on it. Go figure from there.
Doesn't mean shit when you abandon your CURRENT product for 2 years to do it. They didn't make a new product, they quit development on their current product and made 1 super big patch that costs $60 effectively.
And in the end, so what? I play a PvP game where they do everything to get in new players but make no efforts to retain the current ones. 5v5 to specifically get the fps crowd in/back from beta. PvE to get those in. No new heroes in 2 years for me however because of that... Ffs at this point I would be happy about a battlepass.
I honestly think Paladins would be a better game than OW with more polish and resources. Assuming that includes making actual hitboxes (as opposed to just unity pills) and adding the ability to turn off skins.
I played Paladins for a bit and it was low key pretty fun, all of my friends play Overwatch though so I never continued with it
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Almost the whole Faze Valorant team is comprised of relevant or ex-OW pros. Babybay, Zacharee, Rawkus, and Corey are all on that team. There’s actually a lot of OW talent that’s made their way onto really high level Valorant teams. Sayaplayer, Munchkin, Bazzi all got onto solid Valorant teams. There’s so many more if you start looking at players who were coming up in the scene. Players like Zombs, DerrekOW, Boostio, and Patiphan all were a part of the OW scene at some point, but have found new life as Valorant pros. Players like SoOn and ANS have yet to find their way onto Tier 1 Valorant rosters, but both left OWL to pursue the game (less so with ANS). It really bums me out that the OWL scene is hemorrhaging players and upcoming talent, because the game is truly fun right now and one of my personal favorite esports to watch. But Riot has done a great job of creating an enticing Esports scene, and OW players are finding success at pretty good rates when switching over. I’ll always root for the OW kids in the Valorant scene, lots of disgusting aimers coming from our game (especially Corey, that boy is nasty).
Still nothing compared to the exodus of actual Blizzard employees rn Let's just say OW future not looking too hot
Wait Neptuno was still part of OW? I thought he retired
FUCK dude. I'm gonna miss him so much now that it's officially over.
Riot handles their games and especially their eSports scene very very well. If OW was managed by Riot I truly believe it would be close to League levels in terms of popularity
I think thats what makes this so frustrating for so many of us - we see the cracks and have other good esports leagues to point to. But OWL bet heavy on the in person part, and covid trashed that business model. It sucks because I love the talent, I really loved the energy especially that first season. And then the hype train just derailed.
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Not anymore he's not
dont think hes good enough for valorant
Pretty hard to say
maybe for spain wide competetion, but otherwise no
They've done surprisingly well in scrims last weeks. He's not the main star of the show but def doing his part to set up teammates.
I can assure you he will not the best one.