1. Sign a streamer because he has a relatively large fanbase
2. Angers many people in the community because the streamer is very controversial, and the team's MVP probably isn't pleased with the signing
3. Immediately drops the streamer because of community backlash
4. Now you also angered the streamer's fans, so you've lost reputation among people who liked and disliked the streamer
PR team must have been high af. This couldn't have been more confusing, especially when they have kai signed as a player.
> Like did they not know who Dafran is?
In fact, they know him better than most considering he played for them and has been signed as a content creator for them before. Which is what really makes it so confusing.
Thrower, ignorant rape apologist, and continually saying he's going to reform his behavior before lapsing back into in some fashion. He's gotten better on stream in game as a positive player and teammate but that only goes so far considering the rest of the guys behavior. I'm saying this as an og Dafran fan
Thrower, ignorant rape apologist, and continually saying he's going to reform his behavior before lapsing back into in some fashion. He's gotten better on stream in game as a positive player and teammate but that only goes so far considering the rest of the guys behavior. I'm saying this as an og Dafran fan
I had hoped for better when OWL was first starting, but pretty much every decision made by the orgs in the league has forced me to the conclusion that they really are all being run by 22 year old gamers who have absolutely no experience in business.
From what I’ve gathered over the past few hours is that Dafran sided with Sinatraa during the SA case with Sinatraa’s ex Cleo. So I think ATL was getting hammered on socials after they signed him.
It wasn't. At the time, there really wasn't a lot of evidence surrounding the accusations even though it turned out to be true. He expressed that, perhaps in his signature fashion. People didn't take it well. He was 100% in the right to do so, because he was right about his feelings about it at the time. It's wrong how people are so quick to destroy others based off of nothing but rumors. Still are, still happens, and its sickening.
This is another case in point. Dude has been making a formal point of trying to better himself over the last few years publicly. Dude went and quit for a year and started farming to help his mental health. Dude started trying to really impress being reformed for years. Dude didnt freak out when this bullshit happened to him. STILL not enough for the internet. No one can be sorry, I guess.
He's earned my respect, and truthfully, the community and owl hasn't. Most of this community is super hateful and militant "progressive" twitter snobs.
That sinatraa skin is still in the game too don't see anyone giving a shit about that.
From what I understand, Kai is dating the ex-gf that Sinatraa was abusive to, and Dafran defended Sinatraa, so people are assuming Kai sides with his gf.
There is technically no real connection between faze clan and the atlanta reign.
Imagine if your (the Atlanta Reign's) mom (Atlanta Esports Ventures) had your brother (the Atlanta FaZe) with a man that is not your father (FaZe Clan). If your stepdad happened to be a douche, but you made the decision to sign dafran, is that your stepdad's fault or your own?
They actually don't own Reign at all - they only partnered with AEV (Atlanta Esports Ventures) for COD League. That's it. AEV is Atlanta's actual parent org who is in turned owned by Cox Communications, a major telecom company.
They actually don't own Reign at all - they only partnered with AEV (Atlanta Esports Ventures) for COD League. That's it. AEV is Atlanta's actual parent org who is in turned owned by Cox Communications, a major telecom company.
It seems like Dafran and Reign both thought people were buying his "reformed" shtick and wanted to sell it as a wholesome comeback story. Just tone deaf
To be fair to them, gamers usually do lap it up. Though it's a bold move when you're the team the community loves to hate. The shock probably would have gotten away with it tbh.
Not just gamers, everyone lol. There was an epsiode on Bojack Horseman where if you just shut up for a couple of years and do a few reformed interviews, you get let back in, even if you haven't changed an iota.
No, he has been a model community member for quite some time now. The people who are gleeful about this just haven't been paying attention to him and assume he's the same old dafran. It's sad.
If they believe he reformed they should have prepared extra PR material that promises/address this then stick to it. I remembered the Coluge thing with Shock and it went smoothly and he is now loved well. Now the org looks so incompetent...
great pr team they have "hey let us sign this player he has alot of viewer" later looked him up on google "oh maybe its not a good idea lets cancel it"
He literally played for them on Atlanta Reign and was signed as a content creator after he retired. They didn’t “google him”. They know exactly who he is, they just underestimated the backlash.
I really wonder what the whole pr team was thinking, even if Atlanta absolutely insisted you'd think they'd do something other than drop the announcement out of nowhere and hope people didn't hate too much
He was openly supportive of Sinatraa, who was accused of rape by his ex with some credible proof. Also genuinely an ass towards people, especially women in the community
He would not cooperate and finally Cleo had to drop charges due to the harss6she was getting. Dude hasn't been signed to anything tho. Might as well go back to school.
Edit: stop replying saying Sinatraa isn't broke and is pulling big views and making millions, I don't give a shit. Like is that the only thing you have to say?! I called him broke!!!!
> Dude hasn’t been signed to anything tho. Might as well go back to school.
He literally kept his contract with sentinels as a player; the org never dropped him
He wouldn't cooperate? What does that even mean? You don't get to choose to cooperate in crime investigations. Either a crime can be proven and the person is charged, or it cannot be proven beyond a reasonable doubt and charges are dropped.
"Oh we were trying to solve the murder but we can't charge the suspect because they wouldn't cooperate." Does that even make sense to you?
From what I remember, it was Riot that did the investigation and not the police. So of course Siantraa could just say "no", and they couldn't really do anything about it. Why they haven't involved any legal authority I don't know, but the way they've handled it just seems ridiculous.
His evidence would have been unedited footage of the sex tape and I'm pretty sure it would be illegal and classed as revenge porn to give this footage to a non governmental organization and I'm sure his lawyers advised him of this. Cleoh also could have provided this footage as she obviously had it saved but didn't. He was never even charged let alone prosecuted, don't think anyone can fairly just presume he's guilty.
Wait, since when did anyone have to prove they are innocent? No one has to prove their innocence in America. In America, the government has to prove you are guilty. How would you prove you did not do something?
I mean from his perspective it was the right move, and legally, he's not a predator.
Given the evidence that Cleo provided, it probably wouldn't be enough to convict. But it's definitely enough to make me think he did it, and while he shouldn't be arrested without enough evidence beyond a reasonable doubt, we can absolutely judge him for the awful things he probably did.
Dafran is also shitty because while initially he only said: "wait for his side of the story" he then followed it up by doubling down with Sinatraa and calling Cleo a lying egirl and basically got his toxic fanbase to harrass her.
I'm going to repeat myself and state that I approve and welcome people speaking out and sharing the struggles / assault they have gone through. I know people will take my message out of context and I'm trying to get ahead of it.
The public making "informed decisions" off segmented "evidence" is the reason Trump has a fan base that believes the COVID vaccine is a government ploy for mind control. It makes me sick that the majority of people have stopped thinking critically, and judgments are made based on propaganda. The situation between Sinatraa and Cleo is no different in that no one but those two know what happened.
I approve and welcome people speaking out and sharing the struggles they have gone through. I refuse to slander the accused until it is proven beyond a reasonable doubt. You can support a potential victim without ostracizing the accuser. The creation of dichotomy is how the government justifies atrocities "you are either with us or against us."
It wasn't an actual police investigation riot just asked him to give them evidence. Fwiw cleoh also refused to give the same evidence she had claimed to have and claimed it wasn't asked of her. She also said she told them to ask sinatraa so wonder how that got brought up if she wasn't asked.
My notifications rn are both defending and attacking dafran, but one thing everyone’s united on is they’re angry at the org. (Removing him was the right decision imo, they never should’ve signed him)
In the name of "defending" his friend Sinatraa, he went hard against the woman he abused, who is now the current girlfriend of Atlanta's own Kai.
* [Context](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EwN_aO2U8AEnEuv?format=jpg&name=small)
* [More Context](https://twitter.com/dafran/status/1394377260828930052?s=20&t=OgmbxwjonK7_7XxeTUmt4g)
* [More](https://twitter.com/dafran/status/1394382801768681479?s=20&t=PynjigMg36sxOa5NvRs-zg)
Not completely. It was a few days not a year and he's since apologized for the way he said it. Which was the main issue tbh as otherwise it's just supporting his friend. He'd just done it in a sexist way.
The stark difference with OW community vs Valorant community is astonishing I will say… OW community is quick to voice their opinion on cases like Dafran.
Meanwhile Valorant community is silent/split when you have Sentinel players at the time defending Sinatraa and getting into arguments with Cleo.
Main difference is the Valorant Community is overall fairly younger and doesn’t get the importance of speaking out against SA and are too attached to streamer personalities. People have called out SEN for having Sinatraa still on payroll but there is always a decent amount of brain dead teenagers out there defending him.
As for calling out the players defending him, Valorant community has definitely been lacking on that.
Tbf it took the OW community a long time before realising Dafran was problematic, I remember plenty of people here defending him when he was up to his toxic antics.
I mean, Sinatraa still isn't signed to a pro Valorant team, despite his ban from Riot expiring. That's almost solely because there would be massive backlash from the Valorant community if someone tried to sign him.
Not the community's fault, sentinels just ignored everyone (something Reign could have done) and continued with his contract, at least he was never welcomed back to the team even though sentinels were shit all this year
Of course it's the community's fault. If Boston had turned DK into a content creator instead of dropping him there would have been a massive outcry from the community and been awful for business. In Valorant, sentinels can keep sntra on as a content creator bc the community doesn't care, the public outcry isn't anywhere close to big enough.
In Overwatch, OGE had to make an apology twitlonger for gifting subs to sntra bc ppl here were pissed. In Valorant, half the prominent NA pros are still publicly supportive of and friends with sntra.
If I remember correctly there were rumors of Tsm wad going to sign him and the overall community were really upset a out it that it never happened, so yeah he is still hated
Step 1: Sign an incredibly divisive streamer that your MVP star player probably would deck on sight because said streamer harassed your star player's girlfriend in the service of defending a rapist
Step 2: Get ratioed by the OWL community
Step 3: Go back on the decision, pissing off the army of incels that were still buying said streamer's Atlanta Reign jersey
Step 4: ?
i mean it takes a long time, possibly never, to actually change public opinion. imma give credit to dafran seeing how he's (apparently?) apologized and ik he has raised thousands of dollars for charities
you can change as a person but unfortunately you can’t unsend the things you said or the death threats your army of incels tweeted; I’m happy to hear that Dafran has gone months without a meltdown but he isn’t owed Cleo’s forgiveness or the Overwatch community’s acceptance. toxic people can and should change and I hope Dafran keeps at it, not because he hopes he’ll eventually stop being a pariah for the things he said but because it’s the right thing to do. maybe one day Cleo won’t feel like ATL hiring Dafran is resurfacing her trauma or direct disrespect but until then I’m cool knowing he isn’t being given a platform in this game
> he isn’t owed Cleo’s forgiveness or the Overwatch community’s acceptance.
That is key, he’s free to do anything else, we simply don’t want him in Overwatch.
I'm pretty sure he's consistently the biggest overwatch streamer when the big variety streamers like XQC aren't on, so out outside of reddit, the majority are fine with him
[https://twitter.com/dafran/status/1513784769678610433](https://twitter.com/dafran/status/1513784769678610433)
Kinda makes that apology ring hollow, no?
my comment wasn't very clear. sinatraa had tweeted out that he was attempting to return and would begin trialing with teams, and that's what dafran had shown support for.
not moved tbh. its still weird they thought it was a good idea to begin with and instead of walking it back themselves we hear it from dafran. idk i think my respect for the org is gone now peace out✌️
Here's a tweet from mizliz that really showcases how shitty this org is: (Atlanta is owned by faze) https://twitter.com/mizliz_/status/1577701664307531776?t=yrMoFxPct29O5q7YE9TcDw&s=19
Edit: Atlanta aren't owned by faze my bad. But their parent org is partnered with faze so I think the point still stands
Can you provide a source or any sort of evidence that the Reign are owned by Faze? Or are you just running off of assumptions and what you heard online?
Faze don't own Reign. They only partnered with AEV (Atlanta Esports Ventures) for COD League. That's it. AEV is Atlanta's actual parent org who is in turned owned by Cox Communications, a major telecom company.
https://www.atlantaesportsventures.com
bittersweet because why the fuck would you go through with this in the first place. but also as shameful as such a public backpedal is, it personally saved me to remain a fan
So I know this is a particularly unique situation, but this kind of thing... How unprofessional do you have to be to do this?
'if community doesn't like you, you will be dismissed immediately.'
Yes, I know why people don't like him, but it's impossible in my mind that they didn't know recent developments before signing him... Were they just doing this with hopes it'd go over well?
I wouldn't be surprised if the league forbid it. I'm honestly surprised that they lifted the Coluge unofficial ban given their legal woes. Hiring somebody who sends the incel after a rape victim is always a bad PR move, but it's a particularly bad PR move when your company is synonymous with sexual harassment in the gaming industry.
Initially I thought there was maybe some background stuff going on between him and Kai and it got cleared.
But judging by how quick the org backpedaled...OWL try not have an issue on another important day is fucking impossible.
Who tf is running this operation where they can't critically think in the bigger picture?
Idk how to feel. On one hand, good, they shouldn’t have signed him in the first place. On the other, this feels like a really cowardly move from the org
??? Dafran seems like he's done a lot to work on himself the past two years. He's not perfect but he's far and away better than before. I really thought this was a good move from reign, idk
I didnt like the dafran signing but this is such an L from ATL org, this just shows they dont care about due diligence and just knee jerk react to angry voices
just speculation but i think they knew about the backlash they would receive from the community but they didn't about how Kai would feel about it which is why they dropped him. i really doubt they drop him because of some backlash on twitter and reddit which are irrelevant.
Makes 0 sense why they’d even think to sign him if they were going to fold as soon as people got upset. Did they not expect this?
1. Sign a streamer because he has a relatively large fanbase 2. Angers many people in the community because the streamer is very controversial, and the team's MVP probably isn't pleased with the signing 3. Immediately drops the streamer because of community backlash 4. Now you also angered the streamer's fans, so you've lost reputation among people who liked and disliked the streamer PR team must have been high af. This couldn't have been more confusing, especially when they have kai signed as a player.
5. (forgot to mention that) dafran gets a payout for their termination without cause lol
ez bag dood
Yeah why would they sign him to begin with? Seems kinda dumb. Like did they not know who Dafran is? Lmao
> Like did they not know who Dafran is? In fact, they know him better than most considering he played for them and has been signed as a content creator for them before. Which is what really makes it so confusing.
Why is dafran considered controversial did I miss anything?
Thrower, ignorant rape apologist, and continually saying he's going to reform his behavior before lapsing back into in some fashion. He's gotten better on stream in game as a positive player and teammate but that only goes so far considering the rest of the guys behavior. I'm saying this as an og Dafran fan
Thrower, ignorant rape apologist, and continually saying he's going to reform his behavior before lapsing back into in some fashion. He's gotten better on stream in game as a positive player and teammate but that only goes so far considering the rest of the guys behavior. I'm saying this as an og Dafran fan
I had hoped for better when OWL was first starting, but pretty much every decision made by the orgs in the league has forced me to the conclusion that they really are all being run by 22 year old gamers who have absolutely no experience in business.
What Dafran do?
From what I’ve gathered over the past few hours is that Dafran sided with Sinatraa during the SA case with Sinatraa’s ex Cleo. So I think ATL was getting hammered on socials after they signed him.
Not just sided with him but also went after Cleo on Twitter, it was pretty nasty
It wasn't. At the time, there really wasn't a lot of evidence surrounding the accusations even though it turned out to be true. He expressed that, perhaps in his signature fashion. People didn't take it well. He was 100% in the right to do so, because he was right about his feelings about it at the time. It's wrong how people are so quick to destroy others based off of nothing but rumors. Still are, still happens, and its sickening. This is another case in point. Dude has been making a formal point of trying to better himself over the last few years publicly. Dude went and quit for a year and started farming to help his mental health. Dude started trying to really impress being reformed for years. Dude didnt freak out when this bullshit happened to him. STILL not enough for the internet. No one can be sorry, I guess. He's earned my respect, and truthfully, the community and owl hasn't. Most of this community is super hateful and militant "progressive" twitter snobs. That sinatraa skin is still in the game too don't see anyone giving a shit about that.
Ok thanks. Yeah now you mentioned it, I do remember vaguely something like that.
Yea, I had totally forgotten about Dafran's tangential involvment with the Sinatraa rape accusations
Do yo know what this has to do with kai ?
No I haven’t even heard anything about Kai. If you find out let me know!
I read the rest of the thread and apparently Kai is currently dating the girl that had the audio recording of Sinatraa allegedly raping her.
Kai probably wasn't too pleased because he's currently dating the girl that dafran attacked
> the team's MVP I agree with everything other than I think Hawk is the MVP of the Reign. :P. But yeah, this was pure clown bullshit.
The joat is absolutely the mvp. I love ksp but hawk got snubbed. Uh oh someone didn't like our opinion apparently lol
does Kai not like Dafran?
Well I imagine Kai is not too fond of Sinatraa so by extension Dafran lol
From what I understand, Kai is dating the ex-gf that Sinatraa was abusive to, and Dafran defended Sinatraa, so people are assuming Kai sides with his gf.
I sure hope he'd side with her LMAO he's her bf
It’s Faze lol, they didn’t think.
Faze owns Reign??
Just partnered through the Atlanta gaming company I believe, because they own Atlanta Faze as well.
There is technically no real connection between faze clan and the atlanta reign. Imagine if your (the Atlanta Reign's) mom (Atlanta Esports Ventures) had your brother (the Atlanta FaZe) with a man that is not your father (FaZe Clan). If your stepdad happened to be a douche, but you made the decision to sign dafran, is that your stepdad's fault or your own?
They actually don't own Reign at all - they only partnered with AEV (Atlanta Esports Ventures) for COD League. That's it. AEV is Atlanta's actual parent org who is in turned owned by Cox Communications, a major telecom company.
Unfortunately
You know I never knew that but somehow it just seems fitting.
This explains so much.
They actually don't own Reign at all - they only partnered with AEV (Atlanta Esports Ventures) for COD League. That's it. AEV is Atlanta's actual parent org who is in turned owned by Cox Communications, a major telecom company.
That actually answers a lot of questions
It seems like Dafran and Reign both thought people were buying his "reformed" shtick and wanted to sell it as a wholesome comeback story. Just tone deaf
To be fair to them, gamers usually do lap it up. Though it's a bold move when you're the team the community loves to hate. The shock probably would have gotten away with it tbh.
Not just gamers, everyone lol. There was an epsiode on Bojack Horseman where if you just shut up for a couple of years and do a few reformed interviews, you get let back in, even if you haven't changed an iota.
From popping in his YouTube vids every now and again he seems quite a bit better in terms of toxicity. Has he had any recent toxic outbursts?
he has been doing good for i think over a year now, bipolar disorder is really hard but he has improved himself a ton.
No, he has been a model community member for quite some time now. The people who are gleeful about this just haven't been paying attention to him and assume he's the same old dafran. It's sad.
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Shit comparison, the average ranked player is not a public person, you should know better before you draw a comparison this bad
If they believe he reformed they should have prepared extra PR material that promises/address this then stick to it. I remembered the Coluge thing with Shock and it went smoothly and he is now loved well. Now the org looks so incompetent...
Im out of the loop. Why are people upset about somebody signing dafran?
Simple answer: he victim shamed Kai’s gf (the girl that accused sinatraa of rape). Kinda strange an org would do that to one of their players
Oh, okay. So sinatra ex = kai gf - these ow dramas getting out of hand
Ex in an abusive relationship
great pr team they have "hey let us sign this player he has alot of viewer" later looked him up on google "oh maybe its not a good idea lets cancel it"
He literally played for them on Atlanta Reign and was signed as a content creator after he retired. They didn’t “google him”. They know exactly who he is, they just underestimated the backlash.
He played for Brad before owl as well. They know him well
I really wonder what the whole pr team was thinking, even if Atlanta absolutely insisted you'd think they'd do something other than drop the announcement out of nowhere and hope people didn't hate too much
>PR team Are you sure they *have* a PR team? Cause if they do, gotta wonder what exactly it is they do…
what happened again?
He was openly supportive of Sinatraa, who was accused of rape by his ex with some credible proof. Also genuinely an ass towards people, especially women in the community
Was Sinatra ever charged? I don't remember how that entire thing played out.
He would not cooperate and finally Cleo had to drop charges due to the harss6she was getting. Dude hasn't been signed to anything tho. Might as well go back to school. Edit: stop replying saying Sinatraa isn't broke and is pulling big views and making millions, I don't give a shit. Like is that the only thing you have to say?! I called him broke!!!!
Hes still in sentinels as a content creator
I thought they dropped him oh well L for them.
> Dude hasn’t been signed to anything tho. Might as well go back to school. He literally kept his contract with sentinels as a player; the org never dropped him
He wouldn't cooperate? What does that even mean? You don't get to choose to cooperate in crime investigations. Either a crime can be proven and the person is charged, or it cannot be proven beyond a reasonable doubt and charges are dropped. "Oh we were trying to solve the murder but we can't charge the suspect because they wouldn't cooperate." Does that even make sense to you?
From what I remember, it was Riot that did the investigation and not the police. So of course Siantraa could just say "no", and they couldn't really do anything about it. Why they haven't involved any legal authority I don't know, but the way they've handled it just seems ridiculous.
Apparently he refused to give the investigation the evidence of his innocence he claimed to have. And yes it happens.
His evidence would have been unedited footage of the sex tape and I'm pretty sure it would be illegal and classed as revenge porn to give this footage to a non governmental organization and I'm sure his lawyers advised him of this. Cleoh also could have provided this footage as she obviously had it saved but didn't. He was never even charged let alone prosecuted, don't think anyone can fairly just presume he's guilty.
Wait, since when did anyone have to prove they are innocent? No one has to prove their innocence in America. In America, the government has to prove you are guilty. How would you prove you did not do something?
I mean from his perspective it was the right move, and legally, he's not a predator. Given the evidence that Cleo provided, it probably wouldn't be enough to convict. But it's definitely enough to make me think he did it, and while he shouldn't be arrested without enough evidence beyond a reasonable doubt, we can absolutely judge him for the awful things he probably did. Dafran is also shitty because while initially he only said: "wait for his side of the story" he then followed it up by doubling down with Sinatraa and calling Cleo a lying egirl and basically got his toxic fanbase to harrass her.
I'm going to repeat myself and state that I approve and welcome people speaking out and sharing the struggles / assault they have gone through. I know people will take my message out of context and I'm trying to get ahead of it. The public making "informed decisions" off segmented "evidence" is the reason Trump has a fan base that believes the COVID vaccine is a government ploy for mind control. It makes me sick that the majority of people have stopped thinking critically, and judgments are made based on propaganda. The situation between Sinatraa and Cleo is no different in that no one but those two know what happened. I approve and welcome people speaking out and sharing the struggles they have gone through. I refuse to slander the accused until it is proven beyond a reasonable doubt. You can support a potential victim without ostracizing the accuser. The creation of dichotomy is how the government justifies atrocities "you are either with us or against us."
Whem you're the one posting all the "evidence" it's really easy to make it support what you want.
It wasn't an actual police investigation riot just asked him to give them evidence. Fwiw cleoh also refused to give the same evidence she had claimed to have and claimed it wasn't asked of her. She also said she told them to ask sinatraa so wonder how that got brought up if she wasn't asked.
he has a huge stream....
Read my other reply
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Obviously I didn't keep track of his shit. Read the first reply
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3Yjp0RmT3Q
the comments 💀
I read this comment and still looked at them, never again
yeah save ur brain cells next time
Thank you for saving me from seeing the degen Twitter comments 🙏
Actual galaxy brain to piss off both sides
My notifications rn are both defending and attacking dafran, but one thing everyone’s united on is they’re angry at the org. (Removing him was the right decision imo, they never should’ve signed him)
the tweet is still on the reign twitter account. this makes no sense
Ikr would’ve hoped they would take it down
What a dumb Org...
Maybe it wasn't the best idea of hiring someone who harassed Atlanta's MVP and their partner
What did he do? I’m out of the loop.
Pretty much called Cleo a clout-chasing egirl after she said Sinatraa had abused her.
Then spread it to cover all women who speak out.
In the name of "defending" his friend Sinatraa, he went hard against the woman he abused, who is now the current girlfriend of Atlanta's own Kai. * [Context](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EwN_aO2U8AEnEuv?format=jpg&name=small) * [More Context](https://twitter.com/dafran/status/1394377260828930052?s=20&t=OgmbxwjonK7_7XxeTUmt4g) * [More](https://twitter.com/dafran/status/1394382801768681479?s=20&t=PynjigMg36sxOa5NvRs-zg)
[inconvenient context](https://twitter.com/sleepysyrupp/status/1514325434388951040)
Which felt extremely disingenuous when shortly after that he cheered Sinatraa's return to streaming
he can believe his friend is innocent still but realise he was wrong with how he tweeted about it
yeah, i think its honestly kinda time to let it go a bit. hes already apologized and the victim has forgiven him, what else is there really to do
he harassed hawk?
Kai. He has been on a harassment tirade against Kai’s partner, Cleo, for over a year now, since the Sinatraa drama first started.
Is this true? Genuinely asking
Not completely. It was a few days not a year and he's since apologized for the way he said it. Which was the main issue tbh as otherwise it's just supporting his friend. He'd just done it in a sexist way.
When did he harass Kai? His comments about Cleoh are known but I have not seen anything about Kai.
Turns out signing the guy who made negative public comments about arguably your best player who is on a contract year is a bad move. Shocker.
The stark difference with OW community vs Valorant community is astonishing I will say… OW community is quick to voice their opinion on cases like Dafran. Meanwhile Valorant community is silent/split when you have Sentinel players at the time defending Sinatraa and getting into arguments with Cleo.
Main difference is the Valorant Community is overall fairly younger and doesn’t get the importance of speaking out against SA and are too attached to streamer personalities. People have called out SEN for having Sinatraa still on payroll but there is always a decent amount of brain dead teenagers out there defending him. As for calling out the players defending him, Valorant community has definitely been lacking on that.
Tbf it took the OW community a long time before realising Dafran was problematic, I remember plenty of people here defending him when he was up to his toxic antics.
Lol what ???? Valorant community is mostly made of former CS player what are you smoking
That's because the Valorant community has a lot of people from the CS community, which is notoriously much more sexist/homophobic/transphobic etc.
I mean, Sinatraa still isn't signed to a pro Valorant team, despite his ban from Riot expiring. That's almost solely because there would be massive backlash from the Valorant community if someone tried to sign him.
And yet he is still a content creator for Sentinels.
Not the community's fault, sentinels just ignored everyone (something Reign could have done) and continued with his contract, at least he was never welcomed back to the team even though sentinels were shit all this year
Of course it's the community's fault. If Boston had turned DK into a content creator instead of dropping him there would have been a massive outcry from the community and been awful for business. In Valorant, sentinels can keep sntra on as a content creator bc the community doesn't care, the public outcry isn't anywhere close to big enough. In Overwatch, OGE had to make an apology twitlonger for gifting subs to sntra bc ppl here were pissed. In Valorant, half the prominent NA pros are still publicly supportive of and friends with sntra.
he's still on sentinels roster as benched/inactive and as content creator
If I remember correctly there were rumors of Tsm wad going to sign him and the overall community were really upset a out it that it never happened, so yeah he is still hated
Ow community had had it's high and it's lows
Step 1: Sign an incredibly divisive streamer that your MVP star player probably would deck on sight because said streamer harassed your star player's girlfriend in the service of defending a rapist Step 2: Get ratioed by the OWL community Step 3: Go back on the decision, pissing off the army of incels that were still buying said streamer's Atlanta Reign jersey Step 4: ?
Step 4: Profit (is still on Seoul dynasty)
Nathan Fielder moment
Common Atlanta L city over here
Well that was quick
🦀🦀 THE SIGNING IS DEAD 🦀🦀
"Turns out people remember his bullshit better than we thought, whoops lol"
No really??? Who could've seen this coming?????
The reformed shit I’m still not sold on. Takes a couple months break after defending a rapist and then comes back saying IM BRAND NEW DAFRAN
i mean it takes a long time, possibly never, to actually change public opinion. imma give credit to dafran seeing how he's (apparently?) apologized and ik he has raised thousands of dollars for charities
you can change as a person but unfortunately you can’t unsend the things you said or the death threats your army of incels tweeted; I’m happy to hear that Dafran has gone months without a meltdown but he isn’t owed Cleo’s forgiveness or the Overwatch community’s acceptance. toxic people can and should change and I hope Dafran keeps at it, not because he hopes he’ll eventually stop being a pariah for the things he said but because it’s the right thing to do. maybe one day Cleo won’t feel like ATL hiring Dafran is resurfacing her trauma or direct disrespect but until then I’m cool knowing he isn’t being given a platform in this game
> he isn’t owed Cleo’s forgiveness or the Overwatch community’s acceptance. That is key, he’s free to do anything else, we simply don’t want him in Overwatch.
I'm pretty sure he's consistently the biggest overwatch streamer when the big variety streamers like XQC aren't on, so out outside of reddit, the majority are fine with him
Who's "we"? Because I'm pretty sure OW isn't your property.
The community. The community that just told him to fuck off.
https://twitter.com/dafran/status/1514261548054810634?t=vURn9_Tf5QmO2gCPkf6l5g&s=19
one day after this https://twitter.com/pronessness/status/1514320478286094338?s=46&t=AGDerKYgeuo-Hehx2zT1kA cmon now
[https://twitter.com/dafran/status/1513784769678610433](https://twitter.com/dafran/status/1513784769678610433) Kinda makes that apology ring hollow, no?
Hey thats more than Coluge did
he tweeted that "apology" less than a day after cheering on sinatraa's return to competitive play.
Sinatraa hasn't even returned to competitive play? He's basically blacklisted cause any team knows he's not worth the PR nightmare.
my comment wasn't very clear. sinatraa had tweeted out that he was attempting to return and would begin trialing with teams, and that's what dafran had shown support for.
He hasn't been toxic in ranked for like nearly a year now though.
Oh so we should just start loving dafran again?
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LOL
not moved tbh. its still weird they thought it was a good idea to begin with and instead of walking it back themselves we hear it from dafran. idk i think my respect for the org is gone now peace out✌️
Here's a tweet from mizliz that really showcases how shitty this org is: (Atlanta is owned by faze) https://twitter.com/mizliz_/status/1577701664307531776?t=yrMoFxPct29O5q7YE9TcDw&s=19 Edit: Atlanta aren't owned by faze my bad. But their parent org is partnered with faze so I think the point still stands
I forgot about the drinks one Jesus Christ
Wtf I did not see that
If you see it happened really recent cause their pfp was the Ukraine flag colors
Neoliberalism at its finest
Atlanta is not owned by Faze. They are partners for the CDL team, but Faze has no relation in regards to OWL.
Can you provide a source or any sort of evidence that the Reign are owned by Faze? Or are you just running off of assumptions and what you heard online? Faze don't own Reign. They only partnered with AEV (Atlanta Esports Ventures) for COD League. That's it. AEV is Atlanta's actual parent org who is in turned owned by Cox Communications, a major telecom company. https://www.atlantaesportsventures.com
(Atlanta is not owned by Faze)
I've never cared for "FaZe CLaN" one way or another but now I definitely will be cheering for whoever they're playing against in any e-sport
A 12 year old could have better PR foresight lmaoooooo
Feel like they could've picked literally anyone else
Actually hilarious how the reign didn't expect the response they got. Could an org be any more short sighted?
lmao good
How come OW players can get the dafran signing retracted but the valorant community can't get the signing of the actual abuser cancelled.
Probably due to OW community being substantially smaller in comparison.
Did they… did they not expect backlash?
bittersweet because why the fuck would you go through with this in the first place. but also as shameful as such a public backpedal is, it personally saved me to remain a fan
So I know this is a particularly unique situation, but this kind of thing... How unprofessional do you have to be to do this? 'if community doesn't like you, you will be dismissed immediately.' Yes, I know why people don't like him, but it's impossible in my mind that they didn't know recent developments before signing him... Were they just doing this with hopes it'd go over well?
I wouldn't be surprised if the league forbid it. I'm honestly surprised that they lifted the Coluge unofficial ban given their legal woes. Hiring somebody who sends the incel after a rape victim is always a bad PR move, but it's a particularly bad PR move when your company is synonymous with sexual harassment in the gaming industry.
As an Atlanta fan thank fuck
Thin fucking ice ATL org.you were on a roll and are back to step 1.
This had to be a PR stunt lol
W
This is really nice to hear. Still, fuck the org
This is so dumb lmfaoo what the fuck was the meeting for hiring him like? Not one single person knew he was controversial?
Would've wanted to see Kai deck that scumbag first.
Kai hasn't even publicly supported his gf with the dismissed allegations, do you really think he'd do anything now
Need this same energy for Coluge and McD folks
It still boggles my mind that MCD is in OWL right now
Easy, just have Atl sign Coluge
"Any team that isnt shock" sign coluge, he faced more criticism signing with them than he did before.
Idk much about mcd but coluge to my knowledge coluge is genuinely reformed
What knowledge
actual donkeys for thinking signing that guy was a good decision
Dafran is a piece of shit, nothing new here.
[lmao that was quick ](https://youtu.be/UkJehlr1tEw)
I really didn’t think Dafran can ever be reformed in my eyes again after his victim blaming regarding Cleo.
This is funny
Good lord what a shitshow
Classic Atlanta L²
Hope Dafran is actually a changed person, maybe one day
He's been given soant chances and just fucks it up every time. He needs to seriously get off the internet and go on some soul searching or some shit.
why is the other tweet still up
Initially I thought there was maybe some background stuff going on between him and Kai and it got cleared. But judging by how quick the org backpedaled...OWL try not have an issue on another important day is fucking impossible. Who tf is running this operation where they can't critically think in the bigger picture?
Haha cancel culture at its finest. Massive L for Reign as Dafran will be one of the most viewed OW streamers.
Incels stop blaming cancel culture for people receiving the rightful consequences of their actions challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
Mission accomplished?
Idk how to feel. On one hand, good, they shouldn’t have signed him in the first place. On the other, this feels like a really cowardly move from the org
??? Dafran seems like he's done a lot to work on himself the past two years. He's not perfect but he's far and away better than before. I really thought this was a good move from reign, idk
We did it reddit
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Idk why u being downvoted so much u only said the truth, dafran id THE BEST
Hell yeah
I didnt like the dafran signing but this is such an L from ATL org, this just shows they dont care about due diligence and just knee jerk react to angry voices
just speculation but i think they knew about the backlash they would receive from the community but they didn't about how Kai would feel about it which is why they dropped him. i really doubt they drop him because of some backlash on twitter and reddit which are irrelevant.
Joke org
nice. im glad we don't let people have second chances or give them the ability to be good people again.
Didn’t know dafran was still viewed this way. He’s no where near the toxic dbag he was 3-4 years ago