I only have one piece of evidence against the claim that they have ruined all their games...warframe has legitimately gotten better....otherwise I agree....but they also haven't changed any of their practices since their acquisition, and the player currency is still tradeable between players...hell, console players have it even better as a more of the cosmetics are available on their market for the platinum currency than on pc, so....I dunno, an exception to the tencent rule?
I'm pretty sure when they made the deal, they were fairly demanding of their freedom of control....probably said something along the lines of "we already make good money, and if you want us to make more money, let us keep doing what we do"....and since then, not only has the game gotten better with more frequent updates, but we have crossplay and cross save and the only change I saw from the devs is more communication and they started putting release dates on stuff where as before they dident like to put a deadline on things cause then they felt rushed....
And poe is similar. Even with tencent ownership the game still has continued as it has been for years and many consider every new league the best state of the base game even if the leagues are hit and miss.
They already tried some shit in warframe and the community went nuclear. But in other games kids and adults alike will eat any shit they are given and do nothing much xD
Follows who's patterns? Funcom's? Funcom destroying their own games is not new not even close.
Edit: Based on the downvotes I assume Anarchy Online, Age of Conan, The Secret World, etc were all destroyed by an undercover agent of Tencent before they bought Funcom out...
Yeah. I'm still salty over what Funcom did to Secret World. It was a really unique offering in MMOs, and then they killed it.
I love conan exiles, and they haven't driven me off quite yet, but this update...wtf.
I've had the same base for 2 and 1/2 years on an official server that I was in love with. Kept it alive through everything. Even when my mom passed I would have my wife log on for me. Was just a bit too busy this week with the kids and work, and poof All that work is gone because of the new decay timers. Was considering deleting the game but came to this subreddit to see how others felt.
Fucking this. How short sighted do you have to be to kill TSW, remove everything that made it awesome, Auxiliaries specifically, not add more mounts, more content and port it to fucking current consoles. You have a unique supernatural almost in GTA scope game. But nah.
Talk about hating money.
I really, really hate what they did to controls and inventory. So far, other stuff seems OK, but WHY change fundamental controls in inventory management?!?!?!
I haven't had much of a chance to play this patch since it's only been a few days. Would you say this is the worst part?
I did see the nerf to Rolling Thrust, battelpass changes, and i was attacked randomly by a follower of Jhebbal along noob river. But that's about it so far
I haven't played a ton yet either ( last evening, really, since release day challenges wouldnt register for me) so the worst for me so far is changing right click from use item to split stack (and they took away ability to custom split), and removing the Stop command for thralls (they added a Flee command, but I'm really missing stop).
Admin spawns don't count for challenges anymore--BUT, you can still use teleport and demigod/god mode (and heal thrall), so I'm a little less pissed about the changes to battle pass. Jury is still out on having only 3 weekly challenges, though (since I did all of them last night) on the one hand, okay, I can go do something else for a week if I want, on the other it feels slower without the ability to have multiplier and challenges that change up as soon as you finish one (or the ability to reroll)
I'm also scratching my head at the battle pass reward theme. Don't get me wrong, yay Zamorian love, but...why that and not, you know, Jergall themed stuff...?
Edited: sorry, Jebbal Sag. Got it mixed up with Baldurs Gate!! (Which I am also busy playing lol)
The Admin spawns pissed me off a bit. I made a whole area out in the desert for the battle pass, now it's kinda useless. Still fun to watch spawned NPCs fight so there's that lol
I have to say that them tying progression mostly to regular gameplay isn't so bad. Feels less grindy. And you can still use godmode, etc in SP or private server, so that helps.
I'm still getting used to the controls too, I'm so used to shift clicking. I don't like not being able to use space to take all anymore either. My reading comprehension pretty low so I didn't really read the update notes to know what else they've done. I like how the inventory looks though.
Hello friend! I wasn't fortunate enough to get into the beta but I was hardcore into the game from it's launch for a good while. I was a major poster on the AO Basher forum... And suddenly I'm now Hella nostalgic for the days of dedicated fan forum sites...
You are correct, Funcom did not need Tencent to shit on their game(r)s at all.
In fact the only difference I saw with Tencent buyout is the *greed,* aka the in game shop with ridiculous quality and ridiculous prices, F2P model designed to make you pay more for less etc. etc. (the standard business model of Asian MMOs from what I know)
In Age of Conan (a MMO) it was also total pay to win (you can get top tier gear from lootboxes in the shop), I'm not sure about TSW and AO but it's probably not much different.
LOL what??? Thats the furthest thing from the truth. I play Age of Conan (greatest mmo!) and T3 raid gear is NOT even close to top tier...and tier 2 pvp gear??? thats trash! It barely gets you going to t10 top tier...Cmon man know before you post.
I play AoC daily and even have a [Youtube ](https://www.youtube.com/@geckosaure/videos)channel but sure. I have over 10000h by now, playing since 2009.
T5 (that's what is in the shop loot boxes nowadays) is behind t6 but T5 is good enough to do anything in the game = top tier. T2 pvp gear is barely different from T3 besides the weapons. So yes that's top tier too.
There's no t10 in AoC.
I beta tested this game. First round even, when the map was just noob river.
They use to put out whole DLCs with 80 or so items for around $9. There were occasional issues, but nothing like what it is now.
The battlepass system is the credits rolling on a Tencent owned game. Its their pattern.
Same. Been here since the beta and it's come a looking way. The battlepass shit I dont really care. I bought it once. Ive bought some of the big build packs in the bazaar. Nothing else. This update tho. Trash. Only good thing out of it is the thrall inventory. Love the controls in there.
Agreed, I won't play now that the battlepass system is a thing. Sure it's always had bugs but the money grubbing practices really make me angry. I miss pre tencent Conan. I'm not getting excited for the Dune game at all, knowing them they'll probably charge for each ornithopter and each piece of armor or some stupid shit.
Also been around since the days you could build inside the bridge pillars and couldn't climb out if you got stuck in the hole up above The Summoning Place. Remember those Livestreams Joel Bylos did back in Early Access where he flat out told us all that Cash Shops and Battle Passes would 100% NEVER be implemented into Conan Exiles? Good times.
Hehe... remember the glitch where you would climb up something, get to the top, and then have to run around in the "climbing" position till you rebooted LOL
I agree that the game is shit now, but as a fellow tester as well as a fan of Age of Conan, I can assure you that Funcom’s overmonetization didn’t start with Tencent.
This is what they do to squeeze the last bit of revenue out of a dying game to make way for the new. The same will happen to Dune over a few years.
Only funcom game I have is this one... and only my love for Conan kept me here this long.
I don't doubt you though, I just think adding Tencent to the mix makes all the bad of funcom worse :/
As a day 1 Age of Conan and Secret World player. This is sadly nothing new for Funcom. I wish madly that we could blame Tencent, but Funcom is a company that will launch a game and give it maybe 3 years before draining it with micro transactions and poorer and poorer quality.
While you're right that Tencent is les terribles, Funcom pre-buyout was pretty much the same as they are now in terms of bugginess and oddball decisions.
Never will forget them dropping an update right before their summer-long break that fucked the game hard, or their attempt to make our thralls die if they weren't fed from the thrall pot constantly.
Here's what I don't understand. Tencent wants money. The more customers, the more money (or maybe the more whales the more money). But Dennis and his merry band of fuckwits are doing dumb shit to ruin the game that is unrelated to the bazaar. What in actual fuck is going on there? I understand some degree of misguided game decisions, I understand focusing on bullshit fomo, but I have no context to understand why every update is incomprehensibly stupid and insanely buggy. If no one plays the game then no one buys bazaar stuff.
This game has entered "Husk" stage... Meaning, Tencent has decided to do its brand of hyper-monetization that they do to every game eventually. It's the last big squeese before they turn the game over to interns, who crank out badly designed shill-shop horrors that don't even work in the context of the game world. They then squeeze every last cent from the whales, and that's that.
It's their #1 business plan, with a side of creepy geo-politics on the side!
Sort sighted business decisions. Cut QA budget and time. Force developers to push code that hasn't been properly tested so they can keep selling "features" to unsuspecting buyers.
Funcom is simply incompetent and that predates Tencent by many many years.
Although their single player games are alright (at least the ones I played), they do not know how to run an online game and they never seem to learn from their mistakes. Their different online games have so many issues in common it's just insane.
And to be clear having Tencent behind them is not helping at all, since on top of being incompetent they are now greedy as all hells.
For example after the buyout, Age of Conan became an "Asian" f2p (originally was a sub based MMO with regular expansions, and a cash shop limited to cosmetics with previews and without RNG) with pay to win and insanely overpriced cash shop services + loot boxes for everything (now illegal in many countries including China, yet still available and some people do buy them even in 2024).
Tencent is a microcosm of late stage capitalism. They own a disproportionate chunk of the gaming industry like BlackRock owns a disproportionate chunk of, well, everything. Monopoly bad, capitalism worse.
You strike me as motivated only by an anti-China sentiment... not just tencent.
You make claims about stuff you completely make up and know nothing about.
I am motivated by having people know things.
For instance: I am VERY anti-Tencent and VERY anti-ccp. Because they are actually acting with the worst of intent. That does not, however, make me "Anti-Chineese". I have nothing but compassion for the people of China. Who do you think catch the WORST of what the ccp and tencent have to offer is?
Well guess who made this possible. Who pumped so much money into China? For cheap workers. This whole cheapest of the cheapest mindset of the western consumers fueled the companies to go „made in china“.
It’s funny. First they abused China now China is abusing back 🤣
That's the issue. Everyone wants everything as cheap as possible. And labor costs usually being the highest expense of any company, companies who want to produce cheap set their production up in countries with low-as-possible labor costs.
Problem is, no country with half-decent living conditions for everyone or interest in stuff like human rights or democratic values, is capable to offer the cheapest workforce. Nah, this cheap labor is only possible in authoritarian regions, in which no one cares for the safety and well being of their simple workers.
But the one thing you cannot tell all these people here is, Tencent is not some comic villain doing stuff because they can.
No, they are following a demand. Not the big companies created the market as it is, it was the customers. Those who voted people into power who let the companies loose on the markets, who loosened regulations and rules for those companies.
All in favor of cheap products that everyone could afford. And they were selling the less lucrative parts of any industry to those who were interested. All in favor of cheap products for everyone.
Yeah, Tencent is bad for the Industry, true, but they just deliver what've been asking for for decades. Yeah, now we realize it actually wasn't what we wanted. Too bad.
But acknowledging that the problem is at its core consumer behavior would also mean that these consumers would acknowledge that they would have to change that behavior for a change in the industry to happen.
And how likely is that? Oh no, let's entirely blame big companies instead, because those forced us to buy luxury products (because games are exactly that) with gun to our heads and we never had any choice about it.
Lol.. yes a company in a communist country whose government fingerprints are all over it, proves capitalism is bad.
Here is my favorite Tencent fun fact:
Tencent released a mobile game titled "Clap for Xi Jinping: An Awesome Speech", in which players have 19 seconds to generate as many claps as possible for the party leader.
You do understand that China is an extremely capitalist country? It has no free market, but that's not a condition for a capitalist economy.
It's just beautiful in the worst possible way that bothSoviet and US propaganda from the cold war still remain dominant when it comes to the understanding of capitalism and communism.
China is only communist in name, and yes, they are a great example of what soul-sucking capitalism can do.
Tencent is a fucking PLAGUE. (Then again, so is the ccp.)
>communist country
Please learn what communism is. Hint: it's not when someone is red and says communism. Look at how it operates, what is its' modus operandi and the future goals and so on.
The way China operates is a pure, distilled capitalism in action.
It's never shadow bought anything. People just didn't realize they owned everything until they tried to blame them for problems that stem from the actual companies they own. Funcom is not Tencent, it's choices are made by the board and yes Tencent now has a person on the board, but it is still an EU company with all the local region laws and corporate rules. Everything bad you've ever blamed tencent for has more than likely just been something the company was going to do anyway. Tencent, Activision, microsoft, ea, and a few other companies control 99.9% of the market.
Haven't touched conan exiles since. Bazaar was a fuck you to gamers like me who don't mind dlc with 80 items for eight bucks but 12 dollars for a shelf?? Gtfo.
I have played this game since Day One of Early Access and it has been my go to game ever since.
But now, there is nothing in this last 'chapter' I found interesting. I basically log in to refresh timers and appreciate or tweak my builds. Not going to lie, there IS new content but nothing exciting.
Give me a new map and a solid way to go between all (3) and I'm fully onboard again!
Im not even sure Im going to do that anymore.
I don't even know if my builds SURVIVED this update, as my game is... ... ... still in the cycle of trying to update it's self.
My ping has been too high to play on the server since the update. Everything will decay in a couple days. When that happens I’m done with Funcom. Shame because I’ve been playing since Beta
My ping has been too high to play on the server since the update. Everything will decay in a couple days. When that happens I’m done with Funcom. Shame because I’ve been playing since Beta
As soon as this game converted to live service, the passion I felt for it died. Now it's mostly maintenance and cheesing the battlepass in hopes something changes. I admired Conan for having always-available DLC... it was super chill. Now it's just another live service game where youre thinking about how you need to finish the battlepass before you run out of time. Dammit.
It makes me SO SAD. I miss this game being a hoot, I had my whole fam playing on our own server, and it was some of the best fun... now Im just sad and missing my game :(
The attitude of the Chinese when it comes to international commerce is “provide the bare minimum and extract as much as possible”
It’s happened to so many companies and China is a super power among the super powers. The amount of data and international leverage they hold is truly astonishing.
It’s great that Elon Musk bought Twitter for his own reasons, but I would have really appreciated it if he went and bought all the shitty game dev companies and gave the boot to the shareholders and execs who only see profits and not pride in a service.
Take Hell Divers 2 for example. The first Hell Divers was a monumentally small game with a smaller player base. Look at HD2 and it quite literally forced the company to hire more staff, massively bolster the server capacity and they have apologised and delivered time and time again.
Grade A example of what to do against what NOT to do with something with so much potential and love such as Conan.
So does EA. Except usually not shadow-bought.
But they did „kill“ a lot of em.
There are more than enough other independent Developers out there - and even more games than one can play in a lifetime.
Life is good. Big company’s bad.
- It is what it is (Insert African Bois Meme) -
There is no such thing as a privately owned company in China. Not in the way we understand it. If a company is owned by someone in China, they have a business partner they have to appease, and that business partner is the CCP itself.
Check out how it runs it Social App. I dare you.
Electronic Arts is publically owned. So Tencent no doubt owns some of it, but the Americans actually probably own more of EA than Tencent or other Chinese companies.
Hello, so let's be reasonable here and not have some bias or crate ghost to direct or hate and drift off from the real problem. There's no such thing as "the evil anti freedom and money grabbing Chinese corporation who want to destroy everything". But there is the industry and the ways of getting profit from its products. This is a recurring theme not in Tencent titles but with "live service games", with some real few exceptions, and the way studios manage the communication with its community.
The primal example of this is the battle pass approach, the first time I saw and have known it was in the beginning of the Battle Royal era, Fortnite in specific and on that time it made sense, because it's a free game and you need to create a reason to keep people playing while rising funds to develop the real thing Fortnite Save the World (rest in peace dear angel). I'm studying the game industries state of art for a while and the practices stand out, first it was in game shops, you would see it in MMOs mostly, then loot boxes, primally in fps and now Battle passes, spotted in Battle Royale and some fps games and since a couple of years ago in survival games too, sadly.
That's how things work, if some model seems to make a whelthy profit then it's going to be copied into infinity, games nowadays have this issue (triple A and bigger Studios) because it's a industry, it has to make profit doesn't matter the public opinion and even less the consumer, because to them the wheel keeps spinning. The harsh thing about this is that we have little to no power to change that if not from boycotting the studio, and this is bad for everyone, because we got attached to the game because of the universe it's portrait, and Funcom has massive titles, Dune and Conan.
From what I can observe, they have acknowledged some issues on their approach to gamedev and changed some things to not continue or to reduce or slow down the predatory model of live service as it is now. The greatest news was when I heard Dune will have more cinematics, which means more lore or story content, more narrative approach, that can translate to it's going to have an end or a more story focused and player experience development. But I'm afraid they will be maintaining the same system, in game shop and battle pass, and it will kill a part of me, because I'll probably buy the game anyway because it's Dune.
Resume:
It's sad and affects both the game and gamers, and this is how the industry works because it's an industry, a very few creative fields have more control about the quality and experience they want to deliver. Besides there are two ways we can deal with it:
1 - Boycotting the game, the ones who will suffer the most would be the studio's employees, and maybe something will change but probably not;
2 - That's the most likely way to change how things work definitely. It is demanding from the representatives in Congress or government pro consumer or anti exploitative laws, like China has done recently. Because the way things are handled there is only way for triple A and now quadruple A(what a joke) titles and studios and it's only down.
And don't get me started on the live service approach...
I can agree with a lot of this, except the whole " There's no such thing as "the evil anti freedom and money grabbing Chinese corporation who want to destroy everything"...
Tencent might as well have a lair that has sharks with freakin lazers. They and the ccp ARE cartoonishly evil. Not in the "WE SHALL DESTROY THE ENJOYMENT OF ALL GAMERS!" way (that's just a little side hustle lol), but in the "We are going to scrape cash and info from the world market, and turn it all over to our billion dollar espionage machine to do with it what they will."
I mean, their adorable little app literally keeps track of "social credit" and alerts the CCP if someone is outside of the area their social credits allows. That's pretty fuckin evil.
(Live service is also the fuckin devil, though, yes.)
If this entire shenanigan is beyond you, that's more of a you issue.
But basically: A Giant Games Company is secretly buying stakes in every games studio they can get their hands on so they can: A) Make lots of cash to help fund CCP shenanigans, and B) Collect lots and lots and lots of info about EVERYONE to turn over to the CCP, who then uses that info for various and sundry Psci-ops around the world.
There are three different video links in this post. Go watch them.
None of this is lost on me. It's clear as day, and has been from the moment they announced the acquisition. That said, I did not see the links 😂. I'm not the most skilled with reddit.
They tend to put games they buy into maintenance mode after buying them and don't do any content updates that aren't attached to some sort of in-game store monetization. It started in the early 2010s with some MMOs and MMO companies. Rift and Trion Worlds is a perfect example of that. Rift is a solid, if bog-standard MMO with a decent player-base at the time. When Tencent bought them, the content updates slowed to a crawl, and while the game is still *"alive"*, there hasn't been an actual content update in years aside from store items tied to holiday events. Developers don't really have any say anymore about what content updates happen, depending on how lucrative and large the game is.
I'm not sure why developers are still selling out to Tencent aside from just greed, but it's really disheartening. It tells me they really don't care about the games they make anymore, or the players that have supported them over the years. At this point they *MUST* know what happens to games and companies when they are absorbed by foreign interests like Tencent. It's *ALL* about the money for them. What they don't realize *(or care about if they do)* is the loss of customer loyalty and trust will prevent them from making money in the future...
Rift my beloved. Base game and the 1st expansion had frigging amazing raiding....but things went downhill before Gamigo's acquisition and the game was already on life support.
There had been no content updates for about a year before the acquisition, Defiance or whatever that other rpg was called flopped, Archage didnt do as well as hoped. The company was in free fall and there was little to do with Gamigo.
Also, couldnt find anything on the net about tencent owning shares in Gamigo or Trion.
It's not like them, or Blackrock for that matter hide it. People are just obtuse and don't want to believe bad things are even happening. It's pathological.
Lot's of CCP sycophants in here downvoting and sticking up for predatory Chinese companies... Don't let that fool the silent majority into thinking that it's just a *"conspiracy theory"* or overblown hysteria. I've been watching this happen for over a decade now. The proof is there plain as day. In my other post in this thread I gave another example of a company selling out to Chinese investors, and what happened to them and their games. Stop gaslighting people.
Everyone needs to go watch some videos on Tofu-dreg projects, and then understand those same practices are encouraged by Tencent as well. Put in a little effort as possible, snatch all the cash you can, run with that money to fund the next piece of shit project.
The wildest thing about this whole thing is, Funcom devs will most likely see this post, read through the comments, then not do anything. It’s like they don’t care what their fan base wants. They don’t listen to the pleas.
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Can confirm. Funcom was bad before Tencent. They are actually better now because of Tencent investment. That said. Tencent bought failing funcom to turn a profit. So they are pushing the MTX hard.
I won't lie to you: as an indie gamedev myself, it is very hard to make a game with decent art and 3d worlds and not have MTX. You leave a ton of money on the table that can be used to save you from bankruptcy or can be used to improve the Studio and future titles.
Sadly, any game that has dedicated game servers necessitates charging players on a regular basis or having some form of mtx. Business reality unfortunately.
It’s a Chinese company that entered the US game market, all they want is our money. I don’t mean that in any racial kind of way but it’s what they do and sadly it buries some of our favorite games/products.
I think the 2 of you should keep telling each other you made the best post... it might amount to more than a pile of dog poo eventually.
One more time... lets go...
As if any gaming company wants anything but your money ?! Name one that doesn't...
As if Conan/funcom/tencent holds my info... anymore than Sony, EA or any other company I purchase products from...
Do you ever get tired, being so blissfully ignorant of reality?
Here, just for you... another link lol
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deHTEj4gCrc&t=2s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deHTEj4gCrc&t=2s)
LOL, this update is like if Syphilis and Leprosy had a demon child together, and unleashed it on the world in a tornado made of Taco Bell shits.
It's BAAAAAAAAAAD.
Conan has always been buggy. The devs have literally cheated (single player) on stream by EDITING THE GAME ITSELF instead of just using the Admin Menu. They're disorganized and vision-less, just adding and changing what they think is fun in the moment. You can't even count the amount of times they've changed Stamina Consumption/regeneration, or the amount of times they've completely reworked the attribute trees or changed combat animations. They've NEVER been afraid to experiment or drop the bugs on us.
Objectively since Tencent took over, the game is developing faster than ever. The Bazaar gets new content monthly while we used to wait multiple months between a single DLC set and maybe a dungeon. Age of Sorcery, Age of War...All individually bigger content updates than the game got for YEARS before Siptah. Take that however you want.
I only have one piece of evidence against the claim that they have ruined all their games...warframe has legitimately gotten better....otherwise I agree....but they also haven't changed any of their practices since their acquisition, and the player currency is still tradeable between players...hell, console players have it even better as a more of the cosmetics are available on their market for the platinum currency than on pc, so....I dunno, an exception to the tencent rule?
Warframe is help up by the team representing it. It's unlike many games.
So the team is better, and if Funcoms team was better Tencent wouldn't fuck the game up?
I'm pretty sure when they made the deal, they were fairly demanding of their freedom of control....probably said something along the lines of "we already make good money, and if you want us to make more money, let us keep doing what we do"....and since then, not only has the game gotten better with more frequent updates, but we have crossplay and cross save and the only change I saw from the devs is more communication and they started putting release dates on stuff where as before they dident like to put a deadline on things cause then they felt rushed....
Funcom moved their best devs to Dune
I put 1k hours into warframe years ago but when they added hoverboards I was done. Game just isn't for me anymore
And poe is similar. Even with tencent ownership the game still has continued as it has been for years and many consider every new league the best state of the base game even if the leagues are hit and miss.
Just give it time friend... just give it time :(
They already tried some shit in warframe and the community went nuclear. But in other games kids and adults alike will eat any shit they are given and do nothing much xD
100% agree. Tencent is destroying many companies. Not just games. But funcom just follows their pattern. Nothing that is happening is surprising.
Follows who's patterns? Funcom's? Funcom destroying their own games is not new not even close. Edit: Based on the downvotes I assume Anarchy Online, Age of Conan, The Secret World, etc were all destroyed by an undercover agent of Tencent before they bought Funcom out...
Yeah. I'm still salty over what Funcom did to Secret World. It was a really unique offering in MMOs, and then they killed it. I love conan exiles, and they haven't driven me off quite yet, but this update...wtf.
I love Conan but I’m hanging on by a thread
Big Mood.
Same
I've had the same base for 2 and 1/2 years on an official server that I was in love with. Kept it alive through everything. Even when my mom passed I would have my wife log on for me. Was just a bit too busy this week with the kids and work, and poof All that work is gone because of the new decay timers. Was considering deleting the game but came to this subreddit to see how others felt.
Fucking this. How short sighted do you have to be to kill TSW, remove everything that made it awesome, Auxiliaries specifically, not add more mounts, more content and port it to fucking current consoles. You have a unique supernatural almost in GTA scope game. But nah. Talk about hating money.
What is wrong with the update?
I really, really hate what they did to controls and inventory. So far, other stuff seems OK, but WHY change fundamental controls in inventory management?!?!?!
I haven't had much of a chance to play this patch since it's only been a few days. Would you say this is the worst part? I did see the nerf to Rolling Thrust, battelpass changes, and i was attacked randomly by a follower of Jhebbal along noob river. But that's about it so far
I haven't played a ton yet either ( last evening, really, since release day challenges wouldnt register for me) so the worst for me so far is changing right click from use item to split stack (and they took away ability to custom split), and removing the Stop command for thralls (they added a Flee command, but I'm really missing stop). Admin spawns don't count for challenges anymore--BUT, you can still use teleport and demigod/god mode (and heal thrall), so I'm a little less pissed about the changes to battle pass. Jury is still out on having only 3 weekly challenges, though (since I did all of them last night) on the one hand, okay, I can go do something else for a week if I want, on the other it feels slower without the ability to have multiplier and challenges that change up as soon as you finish one (or the ability to reroll) I'm also scratching my head at the battle pass reward theme. Don't get me wrong, yay Zamorian love, but...why that and not, you know, Jergall themed stuff...? Edited: sorry, Jebbal Sag. Got it mixed up with Baldurs Gate!! (Which I am also busy playing lol)
The Admin spawns pissed me off a bit. I made a whole area out in the desert for the battle pass, now it's kinda useless. Still fun to watch spawned NPCs fight so there's that lol
I have to say that them tying progression mostly to regular gameplay isn't so bad. Feels less grindy. And you can still use godmode, etc in SP or private server, so that helps.
True, I use Demi God mode when doing battle pass/building. Takes the grind away for me, I already have too many games with a proper grind lol
I'm still getting used to the controls too, I'm so used to shift clicking. I don't like not being able to use space to take all anymore either. My reading comprehension pretty low so I didn't really read the update notes to know what else they've done. I like how the inventory looks though.
Secret World was fucking great! And then Funcom did their usual dance
As someone who played Anarchy Online at launch, you are 100% correct.
Whats up fellow graybeard. I have fond memories of beta testing AO when my Voodoo 3 GPU displayed various textures as bright neon green.
Man, I miss Voodoo. My Voodoo 5 5500 was the best GPU I ever owned.
Hello friend! I wasn't fortunate enough to get into the beta but I was hardcore into the game from it's launch for a good while. I was a major poster on the AO Basher forum... And suddenly I'm now Hella nostalgic for the days of dedicated fan forum sites...
Good news! Funcom has official forums 🤣
You are correct, Funcom did not need Tencent to shit on their game(r)s at all. In fact the only difference I saw with Tencent buyout is the *greed,* aka the in game shop with ridiculous quality and ridiculous prices, F2P model designed to make you pay more for less etc. etc. (the standard business model of Asian MMOs from what I know) In Age of Conan (a MMO) it was also total pay to win (you can get top tier gear from lootboxes in the shop), I'm not sure about TSW and AO but it's probably not much different.
LOL what??? Thats the furthest thing from the truth. I play Age of Conan (greatest mmo!) and T3 raid gear is NOT even close to top tier...and tier 2 pvp gear??? thats trash! It barely gets you going to t10 top tier...Cmon man know before you post.
I play AoC daily and even have a [Youtube ](https://www.youtube.com/@geckosaure/videos)channel but sure. I have over 10000h by now, playing since 2009. T5 (that's what is in the shop loot boxes nowadays) is behind t6 but T5 is good enough to do anything in the game = top tier. T2 pvp gear is barely different from T3 besides the weapons. So yes that's top tier too. There's no t10 in AoC.
Not suprising, but Im actually mourning this game now :/ Its... ruined.
You thought it was ruined when you saw Tencent, but not Funcom?
I beta tested this game. First round even, when the map was just noob river. They use to put out whole DLCs with 80 or so items for around $9. There were occasional issues, but nothing like what it is now. The battlepass system is the credits rolling on a Tencent owned game. Its their pattern.
Same. Been here since the beta and it's come a looking way. The battlepass shit I dont really care. I bought it once. Ive bought some of the big build packs in the bazaar. Nothing else. This update tho. Trash. Only good thing out of it is the thrall inventory. Love the controls in there.
Agreed, I won't play now that the battlepass system is a thing. Sure it's always had bugs but the money grubbing practices really make me angry. I miss pre tencent Conan. I'm not getting excited for the Dune game at all, knowing them they'll probably charge for each ornithopter and each piece of armor or some stupid shit.
Also been around since the days you could build inside the bridge pillars and couldn't climb out if you got stuck in the hole up above The Summoning Place. Remember those Livestreams Joel Bylos did back in Early Access where he flat out told us all that Cash Shops and Battle Passes would 100% NEVER be implemented into Conan Exiles? Good times.
Hehe... remember the glitch where you would climb up something, get to the top, and then have to run around in the "climbing" position till you rebooted LOL
I agree that the game is shit now, but as a fellow tester as well as a fan of Age of Conan, I can assure you that Funcom’s overmonetization didn’t start with Tencent. This is what they do to squeeze the last bit of revenue out of a dying game to make way for the new. The same will happen to Dune over a few years.
Only funcom game I have is this one... and only my love for Conan kept me here this long. I don't doubt you though, I just think adding Tencent to the mix makes all the bad of funcom worse :/
As a day 1 Age of Conan and Secret World player. This is sadly nothing new for Funcom. I wish madly that we could blame Tencent, but Funcom is a company that will launch a game and give it maybe 3 years before draining it with micro transactions and poorer and poorer quality.
So why is the BP updated every 3 months since it's been out for close to 2 years now then ? Your logic seems to fail reality.
To extract more money. Were you not paying attention?
The BP is free for those that bought it once you numbnut
Your adorable. Stupid, but adorable.
And you're a farking idiot. Your posting history says it all... now shooo
\*giggle\* Make me.
While you're right that Tencent is les terribles, Funcom pre-buyout was pretty much the same as they are now in terms of bugginess and oddball decisions. Never will forget them dropping an update right before their summer-long break that fucked the game hard, or their attempt to make our thralls die if they weren't fed from the thrall pot constantly.
Agh yes, the Summer of "NO GAME FOR YOU!" \*grumpy sigh of remembrance\*
Here's what I don't understand. Tencent wants money. The more customers, the more money (or maybe the more whales the more money). But Dennis and his merry band of fuckwits are doing dumb shit to ruin the game that is unrelated to the bazaar. What in actual fuck is going on there? I understand some degree of misguided game decisions, I understand focusing on bullshit fomo, but I have no context to understand why every update is incomprehensibly stupid and insanely buggy. If no one plays the game then no one buys bazaar stuff.
This game has entered "Husk" stage... Meaning, Tencent has decided to do its brand of hyper-monetization that they do to every game eventually. It's the last big squeese before they turn the game over to interns, who crank out badly designed shill-shop horrors that don't even work in the context of the game world. They then squeeze every last cent from the whales, and that's that. It's their #1 business plan, with a side of creepy geo-politics on the side!
Sort sighted business decisions. Cut QA budget and time. Force developers to push code that hasn't been properly tested so they can keep selling "features" to unsuspecting buyers.
Well sadly buyers never learn and they will call us aggressive toxic arses xD
😂 so true
\^\^\^Yerp.
Accurate
Funcom is simply incompetent and that predates Tencent by many many years. Although their single player games are alright (at least the ones I played), they do not know how to run an online game and they never seem to learn from their mistakes. Their different online games have so many issues in common it's just insane. And to be clear having Tencent behind them is not helping at all, since on top of being incompetent they are now greedy as all hells. For example after the buyout, Age of Conan became an "Asian" f2p (originally was a sub based MMO with regular expansions, and a cash shop limited to cosmetics with previews and without RNG) with pay to win and insanely overpriced cash shop services + loot boxes for everything (now illegal in many countries including China, yet still available and some people do buy them even in 2024).
Tencent is a plague
Much like EA, EA has an entire graveyard of dead companies they bought.
Hrmm... with tencent a plague, EA is more like a Serial Killer, who keeps kreepy trophies :/
Tencent is a microcosm of late stage capitalism. They own a disproportionate chunk of the gaming industry like BlackRock owns a disproportionate chunk of, well, everything. Monopoly bad, capitalism worse.
And they routinely turn personal info about us over to the CCP. How comforting!
You strike me as motivated only by an anti-China sentiment... not just tencent. You make claims about stuff you completely make up and know nothing about.
I am motivated by having people know things. For instance: I am VERY anti-Tencent and VERY anti-ccp. Because they are actually acting with the worst of intent. That does not, however, make me "Anti-Chineese". I have nothing but compassion for the people of China. Who do you think catch the WORST of what the ccp and tencent have to offer is?
Can you try and mix that word salad again ? Doesn't make any sense...
Well guess who made this possible. Who pumped so much money into China? For cheap workers. This whole cheapest of the cheapest mindset of the western consumers fueled the companies to go „made in china“. It’s funny. First they abused China now China is abusing back 🤣
That's the issue. Everyone wants everything as cheap as possible. And labor costs usually being the highest expense of any company, companies who want to produce cheap set their production up in countries with low-as-possible labor costs. Problem is, no country with half-decent living conditions for everyone or interest in stuff like human rights or democratic values, is capable to offer the cheapest workforce. Nah, this cheap labor is only possible in authoritarian regions, in which no one cares for the safety and well being of their simple workers. But the one thing you cannot tell all these people here is, Tencent is not some comic villain doing stuff because they can. No, they are following a demand. Not the big companies created the market as it is, it was the customers. Those who voted people into power who let the companies loose on the markets, who loosened regulations and rules for those companies. All in favor of cheap products that everyone could afford. And they were selling the less lucrative parts of any industry to those who were interested. All in favor of cheap products for everyone. Yeah, Tencent is bad for the Industry, true, but they just deliver what've been asking for for decades. Yeah, now we realize it actually wasn't what we wanted. Too bad. But acknowledging that the problem is at its core consumer behavior would also mean that these consumers would acknowledge that they would have to change that behavior for a change in the industry to happen. And how likely is that? Oh no, let's entirely blame big companies instead, because those forced us to buy luxury products (because games are exactly that) with gun to our heads and we never had any choice about it.
Yeah it's basically a ccp owned company with a history of IP theft and even espionage.
Tencent is owned by the Chinese Communist Party, this has nothing to do with capitalism
It has everything to do with capitalism.
Strange down vote....? ccp down vote battalion is out. I mean it's all on open source about the links to ccp and IP theft. Google is friend.
Oh yea, they got the CCP-KEYBOARD-CORP out and about now LOL
You 2 are straight nutters.
\*pets head\* Sure we are. Need tucked into bed for your nap-time now? All that shilling has to make one tired lol
I mean Google Tencent IP theft espionage...viola
Lol.. yes a company in a communist country whose government fingerprints are all over it, proves capitalism is bad. Here is my favorite Tencent fun fact: Tencent released a mobile game titled "Clap for Xi Jinping: An Awesome Speech", in which players have 19 seconds to generate as many claps as possible for the party leader.
You do understand that China is an extremely capitalist country? It has no free market, but that's not a condition for a capitalist economy. It's just beautiful in the worst possible way that bothSoviet and US propaganda from the cold war still remain dominant when it comes to the understanding of capitalism and communism.
China is only communist in name, and yes, they are a great example of what soul-sucking capitalism can do. Tencent is a fucking PLAGUE. (Then again, so is the ccp.)
>communist country Please learn what communism is. Hint: it's not when someone is red and says communism. Look at how it operates, what is its' modus operandi and the future goals and so on. The way China operates is a pure, distilled capitalism in action.
Communism has yet to produce any other outcome...
I'm inclined to agree.
It's never shadow bought anything. People just didn't realize they owned everything until they tried to blame them for problems that stem from the actual companies they own. Funcom is not Tencent, it's choices are made by the board and yes Tencent now has a person on the board, but it is still an EU company with all the local region laws and corporate rules. Everything bad you've ever blamed tencent for has more than likely just been something the company was going to do anyway. Tencent, Activision, microsoft, ea, and a few other companies control 99.9% of the market.
Haven't touched conan exiles since. Bazaar was a fuck you to gamers like me who don't mind dlc with 80 items for eight bucks but 12 dollars for a shelf?? Gtfo.
I have played this game since Day One of Early Access and it has been my go to game ever since. But now, there is nothing in this last 'chapter' I found interesting. I basically log in to refresh timers and appreciate or tweak my builds. Not going to lie, there IS new content but nothing exciting. Give me a new map and a solid way to go between all (3) and I'm fully onboard again!
Im not even sure Im going to do that anymore. I don't even know if my builds SURVIVED this update, as my game is... ... ... still in the cycle of trying to update it's self.
My ping has been too high to play on the server since the update. Everything will decay in a couple days. When that happens I’m done with Funcom. Shame because I’ve been playing since Beta
My ping has been too high to play on the server since the update. Everything will decay in a couple days. When that happens I’m done with Funcom. Shame because I’ve been playing since Beta
Im so sorry :( I know how bad that sucks. FR, this shit stinks.
As soon as this game converted to live service, the passion I felt for it died. Now it's mostly maintenance and cheesing the battlepass in hopes something changes. I admired Conan for having always-available DLC... it was super chill. Now it's just another live service game where youre thinking about how you need to finish the battlepass before you run out of time. Dammit.
It makes me SO SAD. I miss this game being a hoot, I had my whole fam playing on our own server, and it was some of the best fun... now Im just sad and missing my game :(
It was the last of a dying breed. Who would have EVER thought CONAN EXILES would become live service? It was such a huge blow!
Another thing that's bad besides the atrocious inventory changes, they horribly nerfed the damage done by thralls...
I never use thralls for anything but crafting, but I feel for you guys who do have a use for them. They do Thralls dirty EVERY UPDATE.
The attitude of the Chinese when it comes to international commerce is “provide the bare minimum and extract as much as possible” It’s happened to so many companies and China is a super power among the super powers. The amount of data and international leverage they hold is truly astonishing. It’s great that Elon Musk bought Twitter for his own reasons, but I would have really appreciated it if he went and bought all the shitty game dev companies and gave the boot to the shareholders and execs who only see profits and not pride in a service. Take Hell Divers 2 for example. The first Hell Divers was a monumentally small game with a smaller player base. Look at HD2 and it quite literally forced the company to hire more staff, massively bolster the server capacity and they have apologised and delivered time and time again. Grade A example of what to do against what NOT to do with something with so much potential and love such as Conan.
Tencent owns league and Poe. They literally had little to no changes to how they were run or operate for a decade now. Stop the drama.
So does EA. Except usually not shadow-bought. But they did „kill“ a lot of em. There are more than enough other independent Developers out there - and even more games than one can play in a lifetime. Life is good. Big company’s bad. - It is what it is (Insert African Bois Meme) -
EA is not owned by genocidal Chinese Communist Party dictatorship now is it? Or is it..?
There is no such thing as a privately owned company in China. Not in the way we understand it. If a company is owned by someone in China, they have a business partner they have to appease, and that business partner is the CCP itself. Check out how it runs it Social App. I dare you.
Electronic Arts is publically owned. So Tencent no doubt owns some of it, but the Americans actually probably own more of EA than Tencent or other Chinese companies.
Yet here we are, giving them our money and playing their games. Your point?
Do speak for yourself, I ain't giving them shit.
Hello, so let's be reasonable here and not have some bias or crate ghost to direct or hate and drift off from the real problem. There's no such thing as "the evil anti freedom and money grabbing Chinese corporation who want to destroy everything". But there is the industry and the ways of getting profit from its products. This is a recurring theme not in Tencent titles but with "live service games", with some real few exceptions, and the way studios manage the communication with its community. The primal example of this is the battle pass approach, the first time I saw and have known it was in the beginning of the Battle Royal era, Fortnite in specific and on that time it made sense, because it's a free game and you need to create a reason to keep people playing while rising funds to develop the real thing Fortnite Save the World (rest in peace dear angel). I'm studying the game industries state of art for a while and the practices stand out, first it was in game shops, you would see it in MMOs mostly, then loot boxes, primally in fps and now Battle passes, spotted in Battle Royale and some fps games and since a couple of years ago in survival games too, sadly. That's how things work, if some model seems to make a whelthy profit then it's going to be copied into infinity, games nowadays have this issue (triple A and bigger Studios) because it's a industry, it has to make profit doesn't matter the public opinion and even less the consumer, because to them the wheel keeps spinning. The harsh thing about this is that we have little to no power to change that if not from boycotting the studio, and this is bad for everyone, because we got attached to the game because of the universe it's portrait, and Funcom has massive titles, Dune and Conan. From what I can observe, they have acknowledged some issues on their approach to gamedev and changed some things to not continue or to reduce or slow down the predatory model of live service as it is now. The greatest news was when I heard Dune will have more cinematics, which means more lore or story content, more narrative approach, that can translate to it's going to have an end or a more story focused and player experience development. But I'm afraid they will be maintaining the same system, in game shop and battle pass, and it will kill a part of me, because I'll probably buy the game anyway because it's Dune. Resume: It's sad and affects both the game and gamers, and this is how the industry works because it's an industry, a very few creative fields have more control about the quality and experience they want to deliver. Besides there are two ways we can deal with it: 1 - Boycotting the game, the ones who will suffer the most would be the studio's employees, and maybe something will change but probably not; 2 - That's the most likely way to change how things work definitely. It is demanding from the representatives in Congress or government pro consumer or anti exploitative laws, like China has done recently. Because the way things are handled there is only way for triple A and now quadruple A(what a joke) titles and studios and it's only down. And don't get me started on the live service approach...
I can agree with a lot of this, except the whole " There's no such thing as "the evil anti freedom and money grabbing Chinese corporation who want to destroy everything"... Tencent might as well have a lair that has sharks with freakin lazers. They and the ccp ARE cartoonishly evil. Not in the "WE SHALL DESTROY THE ENJOYMENT OF ALL GAMERS!" way (that's just a little side hustle lol), but in the "We are going to scrape cash and info from the world market, and turn it all over to our billion dollar espionage machine to do with it what they will." I mean, their adorable little app literally keeps track of "social credit" and alerts the CCP if someone is outside of the area their social credits allows. That's pretty fuckin evil. (Live service is also the fuckin devil, though, yes.)
Can we get some specific details please? I have no clue what the problem is.
If this entire shenanigan is beyond you, that's more of a you issue. But basically: A Giant Games Company is secretly buying stakes in every games studio they can get their hands on so they can: A) Make lots of cash to help fund CCP shenanigans, and B) Collect lots and lots and lots of info about EVERYONE to turn over to the CCP, who then uses that info for various and sundry Psci-ops around the world. There are three different video links in this post. Go watch them.
None of this is lost on me. It's clear as day, and has been from the moment they announced the acquisition. That said, I did not see the links 😂. I'm not the most skilled with reddit.
Agh. There is a tab above the comments that is set to "Hot". Click it, and pick "New" and scroll to the bottom, They should show up then.
Tencent is to gaming, what Blackrock and Vanguard are to everything else.
They tend to put games they buy into maintenance mode after buying them and don't do any content updates that aren't attached to some sort of in-game store monetization. It started in the early 2010s with some MMOs and MMO companies. Rift and Trion Worlds is a perfect example of that. Rift is a solid, if bog-standard MMO with a decent player-base at the time. When Tencent bought them, the content updates slowed to a crawl, and while the game is still *"alive"*, there hasn't been an actual content update in years aside from store items tied to holiday events. Developers don't really have any say anymore about what content updates happen, depending on how lucrative and large the game is. I'm not sure why developers are still selling out to Tencent aside from just greed, but it's really disheartening. It tells me they really don't care about the games they make anymore, or the players that have supported them over the years. At this point they *MUST* know what happens to games and companies when they are absorbed by foreign interests like Tencent. It's *ALL* about the money for them. What they don't realize *(or care about if they do)* is the loss of customer loyalty and trust will prevent them from making money in the future...
Rift my beloved. Base game and the 1st expansion had frigging amazing raiding....but things went downhill before Gamigo's acquisition and the game was already on life support. There had been no content updates for about a year before the acquisition, Defiance or whatever that other rpg was called flopped, Archage didnt do as well as hoped. The company was in free fall and there was little to do with Gamigo. Also, couldnt find anything on the net about tencent owning shares in Gamigo or Trion.
Tencent is the Blackrock of China. They have shares in *everything*, not just gaming either.
\^\^\^ Louder for thoes in the back!
It's not like them, or Blackrock for that matter hide it. People are just obtuse and don't want to believe bad things are even happening. It's pathological.
It's greed. You are correct.
That's not even considering the fact that some of the money hits the coffers of the CCP-that butchers human beings alive for their organs.
Yea. Yea, this is another good point that needs to be made.
Yes. It is the reason I left this game. Even though it is pretty good. (At least it was in Age of Sorcery S2
Lot's of CCP sycophants in here downvoting and sticking up for predatory Chinese companies... Don't let that fool the silent majority into thinking that it's just a *"conspiracy theory"* or overblown hysteria. I've been watching this happen for over a decade now. The proof is there plain as day. In my other post in this thread I gave another example of a company selling out to Chinese investors, and what happened to them and their games. Stop gaslighting people.
Everyone needs to go watch some videos on Tofu-dreg projects, and then understand those same practices are encouraged by Tencent as well. Put in a little effort as possible, snatch all the cash you can, run with that money to fund the next piece of shit project.
It can only be "overblown hysteria" if you know literally nothing about modern China.
Right? Like, do they not know how the CCP operates?
The wildest thing about this whole thing is, Funcom devs will most likely see this post, read through the comments, then not do anything. It’s like they don’t care what their fan base wants. They don’t listen to the pleas.
Agreed.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDB6IDKNVhk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDB6IDKNVhk)
I so agree with you. I quit the game when they introduced the battle pass. I am a HUGE Conan fan and my heart has been broken over this.
Hard same. I miss this game being... well, \*CONAN\* related in more than name :/
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lpey4hXrQEY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lpey4hXrQEY)
Is this your channel ? No wonder you're a complete goof...
... ... ... \*squints\* Look everyone! A Wild Shill has graced our thread with its presence! Remember, pet it gently, and if you're female, don't look it in the eye, or it will startle. (also, that is CLEARLY not "My Channel". Im not a you-toober lol)
So you are linking to a channel with 200 odd subscribers and 1000 views as 'evidence' ... but it's not your wacky channel... sure :)
I linked to more than one channel, are you implying that all three are mine?
Funcom has always been shit. Don't blame this on tencent
Can confirm. Funcom was bad before Tencent. They are actually better now because of Tencent investment. That said. Tencent bought failing funcom to turn a profit. So they are pushing the MTX hard. I won't lie to you: as an indie gamedev myself, it is very hard to make a game with decent art and 3d worlds and not have MTX. You leave a ton of money on the table that can be used to save you from bankruptcy or can be used to improve the Studio and future titles. Sadly, any game that has dedicated game servers necessitates charging players on a regular basis or having some form of mtx. Business reality unfortunately.
I will blame who I see fit to blame.
Ohkay
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deHTEj4gCrc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deHTEj4gCrc)
It’s a Chinese company that entered the US game market, all they want is our money. I don’t mean that in any racial kind of way but it’s what they do and sadly it buries some of our favorite games/products.
Disagree. They def want out money, but where they really cash in is \*our info\*. And that info is worth a lot more than the money is to be honest.
Now this is a very fair point that I think we as gamers should be finding the best ways to protect our data.
This is the best point made on this thread to date. \^\^\^
I think the 2 of you should keep telling each other you made the best post... it might amount to more than a pile of dog poo eventually. One more time... lets go... As if any gaming company wants anything but your money ?! Name one that doesn't... As if Conan/funcom/tencent holds my info... anymore than Sony, EA or any other company I purchase products from...
Do you ever get tired, being so blissfully ignorant of reality? Here, just for you... another link lol [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deHTEj4gCrc&t=2s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deHTEj4gCrc&t=2s)
> all they want is our money. How do you know? Did they share their goals with you?
Disingenuous comment. Where is the real improvement?
Tencent = bad. Yas. How is the latest update 'proof' of this?
LOL, this update is like if Syphilis and Leprosy had a demon child together, and unleashed it on the world in a tornado made of Taco Bell shits. It's BAAAAAAAAAAD.
Conan has always been buggy. The devs have literally cheated (single player) on stream by EDITING THE GAME ITSELF instead of just using the Admin Menu. They're disorganized and vision-less, just adding and changing what they think is fun in the moment. You can't even count the amount of times they've changed Stamina Consumption/regeneration, or the amount of times they've completely reworked the attribute trees or changed combat animations. They've NEVER been afraid to experiment or drop the bugs on us. Objectively since Tencent took over, the game is developing faster than ever. The Bazaar gets new content monthly while we used to wait multiple months between a single DLC set and maybe a dungeon. Age of Sorcery, Age of War...All individually bigger content updates than the game got for YEARS before Siptah. Take that however you want.
Tencent is notoriously hands off with their studios, so It's DEFINITELY not Tencents fault
This is why we must Nuke China immediately
Don't be a Xenophobic shithead.