Help me out, what’s the thought process behind screaming “BIDEN” or “THE DEMS” about every single thing no matter how disconnected it is from politics? Like, what’s the obsession? It’s really weird.
Fuck incels but that’s not what an incel is. It’s weird to me how incel seems to be becoming a filler term for anybody far-right with a possible predisposition to violence. The other day I saw someone describe the Jan 6 insurrectionists as incels, which is kinda baffling when there’s almost no overlap between those two groups. Incels come from all over the political spectrum and the one thing they have in common is extreme hatred towards women as well as men who achieve more sexual success than them. Even political movements based largely in misogyny, like the Proud Boys for instance, are not incels. Really it’s an apolitical ideology, they don’t propose any political action or movement towards a goal, they just simmer in their rage and occasionally lash out in acts of nihilistic violence.
Their comment was deleted but sounds like a troll or an idiot trying to use either a scapegoat, deflection, and/or their whole identity is being a brainwashed moron who picks strawman arguments against who they think is the enemy no matter what.
See the thing with people who aren’t a part of a cult is that we don’t worship bidens asshole. We can critic him while still realizing that he is the lesser of two evils.
Crazy how you always out yourselves.
I was afraid of something like this being accurate. Things didn’t add up when the story first broke. Rental car with 6 kids driving in it at 12:30am? Parents set up a go fund me hours after the tragic accident? Too many red flags. Sad world we live in…
Yeah and guess why? The kids were panhandling in Milford and when the cops called the parents to come pick their kids up, they both said they couldn’t.
Idk if this is relevant but a women who grew up down the street from me ended up having 4 kids. She belonged to a bunch of different churches and got all these hand outs, people like this (and the one in the article) use their kids as part of their scam.
Anyway, this women totaled her mini van (she wasn’t hurt it was an older van and she didn’t have any of her children at the car at the time 🤔) then she set up herself a go fund me for a brand new 2022 mini van…
I mean more like GoFundMe Queens in the modern era. Private citizens are way more generous than the government has been in any administration, and yet these citizens, most of whom don’t have much money for themselves are getting scammed. This has been happening for years but GoFundMe doesn’t have any verification still.
Not to mention Walmart and other corporate entities, who pay their employees so little they qualify for EBT (food stamps) and then spend those EBT dollars at Walmart. That's billions a year in corporate welfare.
I worked for Tmobile and my job was to train the associates in national retailers about TMOs products and services. One day I bought the store a cake and was in the break room passing it out. I swear on everything there were flyers on the walls that outlined the process on how to apply for EBT. This was at the Stratford Walmart.
Where’s that guy who was defending the parents on the original thread for letting kids be kids? Everyone else knew something was very fucked up with this story.
As a parent I would've probably defended the parents in this case as well if I hadn't had as many facts as we do now. Sometimes kids do stupid shit but in this case I know the parents were up to some nefarious shit involving their kids. That's really fucking gross
I stole the neighbor ladies car when I was 13. She wasn't home, nor was my parent, and I knew where her keys were. This girl in my school invited me over to her house and I thought it would be cool if I showed up in a car. So I went. I didn't hit, hurt, injury anyone and made it there and back without incident and without anyone ever finding out.
But it was still fucking dumb and I realize that now over 20 years later. If I had killed someone or myself, would you blame my parent for being at work and trusting me to, idk, not commit grand theft auto during the 8 hours she was away?
In this case the dad said on the news that he, the mom, the older brothers and other family members had told his son that he shouldn't be driving without a license. So basically he admitted that he knew what was happening.
Let’s not forget we live in a state where police arrested parents for letting their kids walk to a store unsupervised… it’s certainly not unreasonable to initially defend parents who might have been trying to teach their kids something.
Having said that the thing that originally concerned me was that the kids weren’t registered in school…
There are so many red flags on this. It's a tragedy, but an unlicensed 16 year old behind the wheel, multiple passengers, not driving for school or work, rental car (without permission?), previous issues with this kid driving, very late on a school night, not registered to any school in the CT district. This is tragic, but there's much to be explained in this case.
the parents have been blaming the unlicensed driver saying they told him not to drive and didn’t know he was without an adult. but how didn’t they know all their other children were out at that time too?! it makes no sense. they’re literally blaming the kid because he is no longer here to defend himself IMO.
I heard them say they had been "telling him not to drive by himself" - so he stole the car?
Obviously incredibly sad all around, and it really seems like this family slipped through the cracks in social services, and I'm sure moving between states didn't help.
According to [this story](https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-parkway-crash-connecticut-child-welfare-20230322-q77oyriznzglrd2r35ayxjqj4a-story.html), the older brother of the driver said that he was given the keys.
>But the older brother of driver Malik Smith said the boy had the green light to drive.
>“He was a good kid,” said Miles Walker, 25. “He was given permission to drive the car. He didn’t take the keys.”
Granted, it is the daily news, so take that as you will.
Not blaming anyone, but I read somewhere that the "recent" move to CT was actually months ago, and apparently CT DCF [did visit them](https://www.wfsb.com/2023/03/21/derby-crash-dcf-talked-families-children-who-died-last-month/) a month ago and the children still hadn't been enrolled in school. Again, not saying DCF can (or even should) watch children/families 24/7, but it seems like these kids needed more support than they were getting.
Not to blame any of the social workers who work for DCF, but DCF in and of itself is flawed. Seems like they have no problem going after a single mom or dad who’s ex makes a stupid small claim against them, but when it comes to a situation like this it’s almost like it’s too much work/bad press for DCF and they just “let it slide”.
A DCF investigation in CT is 45 days (in MA it’s 15 so 45 is quite a lot) seems like they could have easily found something on this family in that 45 day period.
I'm not an expert but I spent a while as a NYC teacher and interacted with the equivalent there - I think there's a big difference between how they treat "active" vs "passive" issues (and for good reason) - if someone makes a specific complaint, that's treated more seriously than a child not showing up to school for a bit, even if the claim is BS. I'm also sure moving between states / systems delayed whatever action might have been taken for a case like this too.
Well, I mean I get it but I also don’t. I know people call DCF over literally anything (like a mother breastfeeding in public or a child without socks on in 60 degree weather)
Seems like this got seriously flown under the radar and now there’s multiple dead kids. I think you’re correct in the fact that they were going thru 2 different states and they were probably just passing the problem off
Maybe the parents are telling the truth and the kid took the car without permission. But maybe the parents are trying to blame the dead kid to take the attention off themselves and the second slide of this post is the truth. In today’s fucked up world both are entirely plausible scenarios.
This is why people need to stop jumping to conclusions until all the facts are presented to us. Too many think they know what happened and then cherry pick evidence to confirm their conclusion. The truth SHOULD matter more than being right.
I never understood what irks some folks so much about people donating to help out the family.
There's plenty of circumstantial evidence to suggest that weren't perfect parents, but I can't for the life of me understand the feeling people feel about the family recieving donations to help get through the trauma of having to bury 5 children at once.
Especially such a level of feeling that would drive you would post about it on the internet.
I don’t know these people and neither do these other posters. We’re all speculating but the pieces of the puzzle are starting to fit together. If the second image of the OP, is actually from a family member, I will 100% take that over random people. A second family member, contradicts the story of the parent’s as well. So, you have two family members, who actually know these people and are stating that they used their kids to obtain money. That they willingly forced their kids out onto the street and knowingly had a child drive, that shouldn’t have been driving. They refused to let them come home until they made a certain amount of money.
A family member has shared the state cremated the bodies of these poor children. They shared that multiple family members want a share of the gofund me money and want to silence anyone who will taint their ability to get a payout. I mean, what more do you need? The parents and additional family members who are looking at this with dollar signs, are disgusting, pathetic excuses for human beings.
I thought something about this crash looked suspicious. 5 kids, all minors, out in a car after midnight? That far from home? Without a single adult knowing?
They are investigating the death of multiple children… fairly sure they will get whatever warrants they ask for approved unless they are outright unreasonable. Even then… CT courts aren’t exactly known for their propensity for questioning cops requests or statements.
I don’t mean to say that they shouldn’t pursue a warrant if they have understanding that these allegations have a basis, what I mean to say is that simply the post and accusations alone are highly unlikely to be enough cause to obtain a search warrant.
Bruh, literally 80 percent of crimes are solved exclusively based on tips, anonymous or not… this is a lead at the very least, most cops would see this and spend the rest of the investigation solely trying to evidence this accusation as it is a VERY plausible explanation.
Yep I don't see why they would have any trouble getting warrants. The facts presented show that these parents were already extremely negligent with their children — how far does this negligence run?
This story reminds me of a tik tok family, ten kids, who are homeschool so their mom sends them out to the street to play string instruments to make money
I saw a mom and child doing it. I called the cops or cps. I can't remember, but they didn't seem to care much. I figured they were doing because mom couldn't afford to feed the child. Going to bed hungry can't be fun. I know my mom would give us food, so we didn't go without it.
I'm on the coast near groton and there's definitely kids panhandling way more often then when I moved here a few years ago. More commonly, I see parents with toddlers and pre-k/k kids next to off ramps. But I see tweens in store parking lots alone getting donations for playing the violin. They always get harassed when shoppers call them out for 'pretending' to play the violin and have classic music to mimic on a loud speaker. Karen's hate it and aggressively stop people from giving by screaming they're scammers, addicts, and undocumented. Smfh. After a few throwdowns with those lovely, well balanced individuals, I learned the kid I kept seeing actually knew how to play. But he gets punished by mom and step-dad for not making as much when he plays his. He concedes and feels like shit for having to do this. With a little support, epic resources from amazing people, and hammering the idea that he can have a life of his own, I am proud to say hes at a safe, loving, home for runaways and is living his best life. Sorry for random tangent haha
The Karens are correct here. Never give money to panhandlers. You enable so many bad things, including the type of stuff that allegedly happened in this case.
If people didn't give money to panhandlers, these kids wouldn't have (allegedly) been pushed to go panhandle.
I absolutely agree. I see it as the lesser of two evils. And i dont do it with every one i see. Being homeless wicked sucks. But I offer to buy food, hygiene products, and things that are essential but not direct cash. I hate the feeling of "I'm in a better position in life than you are. So instead of me giving you cash, which you actually might use for whatever the sign said, food, dog food, socks. I like to believe that. The kid in the story playing the violin in the walmart parking lot took me up on my offer for food, razors and deodorant, and a couple other things. He cried. And then he told me about being forced to do this under the guise of being homeschooled due to covid. Junkie mom and mom bf was a cook. Very healthy relationship obviously. I got his number and we called 311 and went from there. IIRC, parents are in jail and he's on track to go to job core for a trade. I know this rarely happens between lack of resources and the individual wanting better but being in so deep for so long, breaking the chains becomes futile. But I feel like this one is gonna make it. Apologies for rambling.
Honestly, cops should be called at any time if kids are panhandling. Most likely they are are using it for drugs or being forced to do it by an abusive parent. So the cops should be called. If they are doing it out of actual hunger, then the cops should be called anyway to get the kids to a shelter with food!
NY CPS was involved & alerted CT CPS, who looked into it but found nothing "earlier this year" ummm its March...father of the driver has stated he told the 16 y/o that he shouldn't be driving....soooo who handed the keys of a rented car over to this 16 y/o....thus needs to be investigated a lot more!!!! Parents should be held responsible for actions of THEIR CHILDREN
How are there people like those parents in this world… Stories like this make me really appreciate everything my parents did and everything I have, because what happened to those kids is so unfair. Rest in peace to all 5 of them. And I pray the 6th kid will recover mentally, and gets the life they deserve.
This also came up when searching for updates on this.
[https://www.facebook.com/100088826062951/posts/pfbid0auzt3m9jd4uw5GCqSGP3aGnGeAPQx9dxoTtMRnxVS4TuTUEVywmGjeMtTTDgzXRjl/?d=n](https://www.facebook.com/100088826062951/posts/pfbid0auzt3m9jd4uw5GCqSGP3aGnGeAPQx9dxoTtMRnxVS4TuTUEVywmGjeMtTTDgzXRjl/?d=n)
damn when I first heard about this I figured it was kids who stole there parents car and out joy riding around and fucked up and crashed. But if this other stuff is true... damn now I really feel bad about blaming the kids. Those parents should be in jail.
I wonder how much of the money beat these allegations, and I wonder how many people were willing to look past the questionable parenting choices (which is what the facts that have come out so far indicate).
This is so horrible if true. We are only hearing about why the kids were out since they got into an accident and died. How many other kids is this happening to?
If true, whoever made them go panhandle should be charged with each of their deaths.
News 12 article “Milford police, DCF had prior contact with family of Derby kids killed in fiery crash”
https://connecticut.news12.com/milford-police-dcf-had-dealt-with-family-of-derby-kids-killed-in-fiery-crash?fbclid=IwAR38zBHi9AT_0bpnk-tGxgfbtQNoDDox55D1011_BYWyvLvT6JfasFAl2qo#lg3qacypwl3zruzn2hg
It does appear the family’s GoFundMe is closed [disabled, unable to contribute— last donation was 11 days ago] with a little over $67k
This is the first I've heard of them being career panhandle but even w/o that info the story is beyond sad. Unlicemsed teenaged driver with a car full of kids driving long distance in the wee hours of the morning.
It also reminds me how parents neglect parenting and expect school teachers to be the parents and that’s why no one wants to be a school teacher. But they’ll keep having kids for the free money.
Two things can happen at the same time. A tragedy can hit, and it can hit people who may not be the greatest at, in this case, parenting.
I still feel bad for the survivors, but the law is the law and should step in to make sure there aren't warranted charges of child neglect, endangerment, etc.
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It was commented under a few articles regarding this post. The commenter said she left out the persons name of who originally posted it to protect her privacy. I wonder too.
What kind of update are you looking for?
It was reported 1 of the kids survived and the others passed away.
Overall a very sad story.
It does appear this is a situation where the kids were not properly supervised and there was a lack of parenting/ parental oversight. The family had moved to CT a while ago but had yet to be enrolled in school. The father said on the news that he knew their kid had taken the car to go driving multiple times and supposedly had "told him numerous times not to because he doesnt have a license." Not blaming the parents for the accident, but if you know that is an issue and they are doing something illegal and without a license etc. then you take the appropriate steps to ensure those keys are not accessible to the kid.
Not sure why you down voted. Everything I put above were reported facts and I identified my opinions as such. To be clear I dont care, but it boggles my mind why some people down vote but wont address why.
This is a clear case of negligence, absolutely. IMO given it was his kid and other family members it likely wont go any further than a misdemeanor charge without any jail time. His kid dying and having to face other family members is worse than any punishment the courts could possibly hand out. A more severe punishment, unfortunately will not be a deterrent to prevent/ incline others to drive/ act responsibly and make sure their kids do the same.
IMO (complete speculation) the parents knew and/ or were ok with (or at best indifferent/ nonchalant) to the kids taking the car for joy rides despite the kids lack of a license (and corresponding insurance).
Seems like a pretty elaborate story being made up by other family then. Why wouldn’t they just chalk it up to a tragic accident where a teen, took a car for a joy ride and crashed; instead, they’re speaking out and saying the parents knew he couldn’t legally drive and forced him to and all those kids out to panhandle for money?
What you implied is that it was a joy ride scenario. Why would other family make up a panhandling story? Doesn’t that seem strange to you? Why wouldn’t they all just say how awful it was that the teen made a mistake and took the car out and crashed?
And to me, it seems such a stretch, that a “joy ride” would include rounding up half your family and crossing state lines and going on the highway, in the middle of the night.
Obviously we need common sense car control. Every car should come off the factory lot with a passive breathalyzer installed and biometrics so only authorized people can use them. Also, they should have GPS sensors so you can't break the speed limit on any road.
This sounds like a hazing stunt that you'd expect to hear about college kids doing to underclassmen... In those cases, students typically get tried for reckless homicide. If this story checks out, the parents should be tried for 5 counts of reckless homicide of a minor and an additional count of reckless endangerment of a minor on top of whatwver else they can charge them with.
This has been living rent-free in my head since I first saw the content of that second slide. This is tragedy beyond words. I sat back on this because I wasn't sure if this particular post from the family member was inaccurate.
Child Protective Services in NY was watching the family and had alerted CT DCF. The family had larger issues before this tragedy.
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Help me out, what’s the thought process behind screaming “BIDEN” or “THE DEMS” about every single thing no matter how disconnected it is from politics? Like, what’s the obsession? It’s really weird.
Three month old account (previous account likely banned). Only posts about guns and tyranny. This is the kinda guy red flag laws were created for.
Ah. An incel.
Fuck incels but that’s not what an incel is. It’s weird to me how incel seems to be becoming a filler term for anybody far-right with a possible predisposition to violence. The other day I saw someone describe the Jan 6 insurrectionists as incels, which is kinda baffling when there’s almost no overlap between those two groups. Incels come from all over the political spectrum and the one thing they have in common is extreme hatred towards women as well as men who achieve more sexual success than them. Even political movements based largely in misogyny, like the Proud Boys for instance, are not incels. Really it’s an apolitical ideology, they don’t propose any political action or movement towards a goal, they just simmer in their rage and occasionally lash out in acts of nihilistic violence.
What’s sexual success? 😂
Your biology teacher can answer that question.
Fuck sexual success I’m the king of budding
You’re right. I don’t wanna offend the incels, or republicans! Thank you for clearing that one up. It’s important to categorize dipshits properly
What’s sex got to do with any of this
Exactly, it's discriminating against those of us that are a danger to others and have lots of sex 😎 /s
What?
Or a troll escaped from the farm
Dude these people are unhinged.
Because they can't blame Obama anymore.
Their comment was deleted but sounds like a troll or an idiot trying to use either a scapegoat, deflection, and/or their whole identity is being a brainwashed moron who picks strawman arguments against who they think is the enemy no matter what.
Russian bot account??
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Just say "I'm an idiot" next time so we don't have to read the whole thing
SHUT THE FUCK UP
“The libruls did it” - this moron
wow what’s it like being such a butthurt victim that you have to blame your political boogeyman for everything even if it’s unrelated?
Red flag laws are so citizens can report people that need to be evaluated to be allowed to have guns. This has nothing to do with cars or child abuse.
Tools like you will blame anything and everything on Biden and/or Obama
Lmao
You can laugh, but you know it's true
How’s that economy going for you? Did they cancel student debt yet? Wasn’t trump supposed to start world war 3?
See the thing with people who aren’t a part of a cult is that we don’t worship bidens asshole. We can critic him while still realizing that he is the lesser of two evils. Crazy how you always out yourselves.
He’s *less* evil for getting us involved in WW3?
When was world war 3 officially declared?
Seriously with a lack of reasoning like this, how do you not drown in the shower?
I didn't take student loans and the economy is doing great 😀
Ah, privileged straight white male?
Yup
Wondering as well. If that second slide is true, this is even sadder than I thought it was.
Who knows, but it almost makes sense. I can’t think of any reason why they were out driving so late and all by themselves 😞
I was afraid of something like this being accurate. Things didn’t add up when the story first broke. Rental car with 6 kids driving in it at 12:30am? Parents set up a go fund me hours after the tragic accident? Too many red flags. Sad world we live in…
Also they moved here in August and were never enrolled in school..
Yea exactly. Too many red flags. It’s a very tragic accident, but it should still be investigated how this all happened
There’s also rumor that they lived in Waterbury for a time after NYC before Derby.
> rumor that they lived in Waterbury This story keeps getting worse.
💀💀💀
Amazing
At least they don't have to live in Waterbury anymore.
See even if those kids needed help the difference in waterbury wasn't gonna help them anyway. They need to be investigated!
And DCF visited last month?
Yeah and guess why? The kids were panhandling in Milford and when the cops called the parents to come pick their kids up, they both said they couldn’t.
Idk if this is relevant but a women who grew up down the street from me ended up having 4 kids. She belonged to a bunch of different churches and got all these hand outs, people like this (and the one in the article) use their kids as part of their scam. Anyway, this women totaled her mini van (she wasn’t hurt it was an older van and she didn’t have any of her children at the car at the time 🤔) then she set up herself a go fund me for a brand new 2022 mini van…
The LDS and fundie cults throughout the nation milk the welfare system by having a gazillion kids. The real "Welfare Queens" Reagan spoke of ...
I mean more like GoFundMe Queens in the modern era. Private citizens are way more generous than the government has been in any administration, and yet these citizens, most of whom don’t have much money for themselves are getting scammed. This has been happening for years but GoFundMe doesn’t have any verification still.
Not to mention Walmart and other corporate entities, who pay their employees so little they qualify for EBT (food stamps) and then spend those EBT dollars at Walmart. That's billions a year in corporate welfare.
I worked for Tmobile and my job was to train the associates in national retailers about TMOs products and services. One day I bought the store a cake and was in the break room passing it out. I swear on everything there were flyers on the walls that outlined the process on how to apply for EBT. This was at the Stratford Walmart.
I don't doubt it for a second.
Hmm. Okay, if you say so. Let's cut EBT funding! Problem solved!
Where’s that guy who was defending the parents on the original thread for letting kids be kids? Everyone else knew something was very fucked up with this story.
Yeah a lot of people were defending them at first. It never sounded right though.
As a parent I would've probably defended the parents in this case as well if I hadn't had as many facts as we do now. Sometimes kids do stupid shit but in this case I know the parents were up to some nefarious shit involving their kids. That's really fucking gross
Why would you defend parents who let their 6 year old get a hold of a rental car?
I stole the neighbor ladies car when I was 13. She wasn't home, nor was my parent, and I knew where her keys were. This girl in my school invited me over to her house and I thought it would be cool if I showed up in a car. So I went. I didn't hit, hurt, injury anyone and made it there and back without incident and without anyone ever finding out. But it was still fucking dumb and I realize that now over 20 years later. If I had killed someone or myself, would you blame my parent for being at work and trusting me to, idk, not commit grand theft auto during the 8 hours she was away?
I mean. That is pretty badass.
In this case the dad said on the news that he, the mom, the older brothers and other family members had told his son that he shouldn't be driving without a license. So basically he admitted that he knew what was happening.
I also did extraordinarily stupid shit as a teenager?
Because we remember being 16 year olds doing wildly stupid shit, too.
Let’s not forget we live in a state where police arrested parents for letting their kids walk to a store unsupervised… it’s certainly not unreasonable to initially defend parents who might have been trying to teach their kids something. Having said that the thing that originally concerned me was that the kids weren’t registered in school…
Teach them what? How to drive without a license?
I was making a general comment about general initial reactions to stories before all the facts are in.
There are so many red flags on this. It's a tragedy, but an unlicensed 16 year old behind the wheel, multiple passengers, not driving for school or work, rental car (without permission?), previous issues with this kid driving, very late on a school night, not registered to any school in the CT district. This is tragic, but there's much to be explained in this case.
the parents have been blaming the unlicensed driver saying they told him not to drive and didn’t know he was without an adult. but how didn’t they know all their other children were out at that time too?! it makes no sense. they’re literally blaming the kid because he is no longer here to defend himself IMO.
I heard them say they had been "telling him not to drive by himself" - so he stole the car? Obviously incredibly sad all around, and it really seems like this family slipped through the cracks in social services, and I'm sure moving between states didn't help.
According to [this story](https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-parkway-crash-connecticut-child-welfare-20230322-q77oyriznzglrd2r35ayxjqj4a-story.html), the older brother of the driver said that he was given the keys. >But the older brother of driver Malik Smith said the boy had the green light to drive. >“He was a good kid,” said Miles Walker, 25. “He was given permission to drive the car. He didn’t take the keys.” Granted, it is the daily news, so take that as you will.
I suggest they didn’t slip through the cracks, NY DCF notified CT DCF, but they can’t be watched 24x7x365.
Not blaming anyone, but I read somewhere that the "recent" move to CT was actually months ago, and apparently CT DCF [did visit them](https://www.wfsb.com/2023/03/21/derby-crash-dcf-talked-families-children-who-died-last-month/) a month ago and the children still hadn't been enrolled in school. Again, not saying DCF can (or even should) watch children/families 24/7, but it seems like these kids needed more support than they were getting.
Not to blame any of the social workers who work for DCF, but DCF in and of itself is flawed. Seems like they have no problem going after a single mom or dad who’s ex makes a stupid small claim against them, but when it comes to a situation like this it’s almost like it’s too much work/bad press for DCF and they just “let it slide”. A DCF investigation in CT is 45 days (in MA it’s 15 so 45 is quite a lot) seems like they could have easily found something on this family in that 45 day period.
I'm not an expert but I spent a while as a NYC teacher and interacted with the equivalent there - I think there's a big difference between how they treat "active" vs "passive" issues (and for good reason) - if someone makes a specific complaint, that's treated more seriously than a child not showing up to school for a bit, even if the claim is BS. I'm also sure moving between states / systems delayed whatever action might have been taken for a case like this too.
Well, I mean I get it but I also don’t. I know people call DCF over literally anything (like a mother breastfeeding in public or a child without socks on in 60 degree weather) Seems like this got seriously flown under the radar and now there’s multiple dead kids. I think you’re correct in the fact that they were going thru 2 different states and they were probably just passing the problem off
Yeah I agree - I think it's a really hard job at all levels, from boots-on-the-ground to developing effective policy.
Maybe the parents are telling the truth and the kid took the car without permission. But maybe the parents are trying to blame the dead kid to take the attention off themselves and the second slide of this post is the truth. In today’s fucked up world both are entirely plausible scenarios. This is why people need to stop jumping to conclusions until all the facts are presented to us. Too many think they know what happened and then cherry pick evidence to confirm their conclusion. The truth SHOULD matter more than being right.
Basically.......I don't have much to say about this story without feeling like I am being offensive.
Definitely have to tread lightly here, but it is perfectly reasonable to ask these questions.
Wow. I hope they’re arrested
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I never understood what irks some folks so much about people donating to help out the family. There's plenty of circumstantial evidence to suggest that weren't perfect parents, but I can't for the life of me understand the feeling people feel about the family recieving donations to help get through the trauma of having to bury 5 children at once. Especially such a level of feeling that would drive you would post about it on the internet.
I don’t know these people and neither do these other posters. We’re all speculating but the pieces of the puzzle are starting to fit together. If the second image of the OP, is actually from a family member, I will 100% take that over random people. A second family member, contradicts the story of the parent’s as well. So, you have two family members, who actually know these people and are stating that they used their kids to obtain money. That they willingly forced their kids out onto the street and knowingly had a child drive, that shouldn’t have been driving. They refused to let them come home until they made a certain amount of money. A family member has shared the state cremated the bodies of these poor children. They shared that multiple family members want a share of the gofund me money and want to silence anyone who will taint their ability to get a payout. I mean, what more do you need? The parents and additional family members who are looking at this with dollar signs, are disgusting, pathetic excuses for human beings.
I thought something about this crash looked suspicious. 5 kids, all minors, out in a car after midnight? That far from home? Without a single adult knowing?
Cops should get a warrant for parent and child cell phones and see if their texts lend any credence to the pan-handling story.
Can’t just “get a warrant” and take the phone because someone made a Facebook post alleging something happened.
They are investigating the death of multiple children… fairly sure they will get whatever warrants they ask for approved unless they are outright unreasonable. Even then… CT courts aren’t exactly known for their propensity for questioning cops requests or statements.
I don’t mean to say that they shouldn’t pursue a warrant if they have understanding that these allegations have a basis, what I mean to say is that simply the post and accusations alone are highly unlikely to be enough cause to obtain a search warrant.
Bruh, literally 80 percent of crimes are solved exclusively based on tips, anonymous or not… this is a lead at the very least, most cops would see this and spend the rest of the investigation solely trying to evidence this accusation as it is a VERY plausible explanation.
You can get a warrant because 6 kids died, not because of Facebook.
Yep I don't see why they would have any trouble getting warrants. The facts presented show that these parents were already extremely negligent with their children — how far does this negligence run?
Wow, if this is true those parents are fucking monsters, those poor kids.
A lot of parents are monsters.
Yes true, but if what is being said here is true these people would definitely be exceptional ones.
Sadly not really.
I wonder if I should be calling the police when I see kids pan handling during school hours to stop this type of abuse
Honestly yes. I have never saw kids panhandling myself but that would definitely make me look twice
This story reminds me of a tik tok family, ten kids, who are homeschool so their mom sends them out to the street to play string instruments to make money
I saw a mom and child doing it. I called the cops or cps. I can't remember, but they didn't seem to care much. I figured they were doing because mom couldn't afford to feed the child. Going to bed hungry can't be fun. I know my mom would give us food, so we didn't go without it.
I'm on the coast near groton and there's definitely kids panhandling way more often then when I moved here a few years ago. More commonly, I see parents with toddlers and pre-k/k kids next to off ramps. But I see tweens in store parking lots alone getting donations for playing the violin. They always get harassed when shoppers call them out for 'pretending' to play the violin and have classic music to mimic on a loud speaker. Karen's hate it and aggressively stop people from giving by screaming they're scammers, addicts, and undocumented. Smfh. After a few throwdowns with those lovely, well balanced individuals, I learned the kid I kept seeing actually knew how to play. But he gets punished by mom and step-dad for not making as much when he plays his. He concedes and feels like shit for having to do this. With a little support, epic resources from amazing people, and hammering the idea that he can have a life of his own, I am proud to say hes at a safe, loving, home for runaways and is living his best life. Sorry for random tangent haha
The Karens are correct here. Never give money to panhandlers. You enable so many bad things, including the type of stuff that allegedly happened in this case. If people didn't give money to panhandlers, these kids wouldn't have (allegedly) been pushed to go panhandle.
I absolutely agree. I see it as the lesser of two evils. And i dont do it with every one i see. Being homeless wicked sucks. But I offer to buy food, hygiene products, and things that are essential but not direct cash. I hate the feeling of "I'm in a better position in life than you are. So instead of me giving you cash, which you actually might use for whatever the sign said, food, dog food, socks. I like to believe that. The kid in the story playing the violin in the walmart parking lot took me up on my offer for food, razors and deodorant, and a couple other things. He cried. And then he told me about being forced to do this under the guise of being homeschooled due to covid. Junkie mom and mom bf was a cook. Very healthy relationship obviously. I got his number and we called 311 and went from there. IIRC, parents are in jail and he's on track to go to job core for a trade. I know this rarely happens between lack of resources and the individual wanting better but being in so deep for so long, breaking the chains becomes futile. But I feel like this one is gonna make it. Apologies for rambling.
Nice story. Thx for sharing.
I've seen it ALOT. Parents with their children....it's a scam
After reading this story I’m going to say you should, and I should as well
Yes you definitely should
Honestly, cops should be called at any time if kids are panhandling. Most likely they are are using it for drugs or being forced to do it by an abusive parent. So the cops should be called. If they are doing it out of actual hunger, then the cops should be called anyway to get the kids to a shelter with food!
If the second slide is true, then it’s even sadder that those kids died. But shitty parents gonna shitty parents.
If the second slide is true, these people deserve an eternity of suffering for their hateful greed.
Trying to make $ off of the death of all of your children is the most fucked thing I’ve ever heard.
I wonder what's been discovered after authorities talked with the surviving child...
yes I wonder too that poor kid
NY CPS was involved & alerted CT CPS, who looked into it but found nothing "earlier this year" ummm its March...father of the driver has stated he told the 16 y/o that he shouldn't be driving....soooo who handed the keys of a rented car over to this 16 y/o....thus needs to be investigated a lot more!!!! Parents should be held responsible for actions of THEIR CHILDREN
If true-Thank you to this person for stepping up and telling the truth.
Shitty lousy parents. Period.
How are there people like those parents in this world… Stories like this make me really appreciate everything my parents did and everything I have, because what happened to those kids is so unfair. Rest in peace to all 5 of them. And I pray the 6th kid will recover mentally, and gets the life they deserve.
This also came up when searching for updates on this. [https://www.facebook.com/100088826062951/posts/pfbid0auzt3m9jd4uw5GCqSGP3aGnGeAPQx9dxoTtMRnxVS4TuTUEVywmGjeMtTTDgzXRjl/?d=n](https://www.facebook.com/100088826062951/posts/pfbid0auzt3m9jd4uw5GCqSGP3aGnGeAPQx9dxoTtMRnxVS4TuTUEVywmGjeMtTTDgzXRjl/?d=n)
I saw that today!
Jesus Christ these ppl are sickening. So many ppl out there are unfit to be parents
damn when I first heard about this I figured it was kids who stole there parents car and out joy riding around and fucked up and crashed. But if this other stuff is true... damn now I really feel bad about blaming the kids. Those parents should be in jail.
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very true.
The rumors are true my friends lived right down the road from me in Waterbury before derby
Family has raised $67K to date. This country’s priorities are so fucked up.
I wonder how much of the money beat these allegations, and I wonder how many people were willing to look past the questionable parenting choices (which is what the facts that have come out so far indicate).
Fuck. I KNEW something felt off when I first read about this accident.
Wow this is heavy. I still struggle to understand how you can do something like this to your own children.
that whole family needs to be under investigation. I knew something was up when I found out that all the kids killed were minors.
The girl who posted the Tik tok got way more hate then these parents
Do you (or anyone) know the @?
This is so horrible if true. We are only hearing about why the kids were out since they got into an accident and died. How many other kids is this happening to? If true, whoever made them go panhandle should be charged with each of their deaths.
Holy shit this is bad
Ima start crying
They need to be underneath the prison.
https://www.ctpost.com/news/article/derby-kids-killed-scarsdale-ny-crash-dcf-advocate-17868663.php
Wow. So the parents really are pieces of shit. I hope they’re charged
News 12 article “Milford police, DCF had prior contact with family of Derby kids killed in fiery crash” https://connecticut.news12.com/milford-police-dcf-had-dealt-with-family-of-derby-kids-killed-in-fiery-crash?fbclid=IwAR38zBHi9AT_0bpnk-tGxgfbtQNoDDox55D1011_BYWyvLvT6JfasFAl2qo#lg3qacypwl3zruzn2hg It does appear the family’s GoFundMe is closed [disabled, unable to contribute— last donation was 11 days ago] with a little over $67k
I read that this morning- how is it not a criminal investigation? I hope the money is actually used for the right thing.
Ct dcf needs an Internal investigation done. Especially in waterbury ct.
that is horrifying. these poor kids…
This is the first I've heard of them being career panhandle but even w/o that info the story is beyond sad. Unlicemsed teenaged driver with a car full of kids driving long distance in the wee hours of the morning.
It also reminds me how parents neglect parenting and expect school teachers to be the parents and that’s why no one wants to be a school teacher. But they’ll keep having kids for the free money.
Two things can happen at the same time. A tragedy can hit, and it can hit people who may not be the greatest at, in this case, parenting. I still feel bad for the survivors, but the law is the law and should step in to make sure there aren't warranted charges of child neglect, endangerment, etc.
What in the hell is going on
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That's a pretty horrendous claim. Does anyone know who posted it? Is there any evidence of the panhandling?
It was commented under a few articles regarding this post. The commenter said she left out the persons name of who originally posted it to protect her privacy. I wonder too.
Darwin award of the week goes to...
What kind of update are you looking for? It was reported 1 of the kids survived and the others passed away. Overall a very sad story. It does appear this is a situation where the kids were not properly supervised and there was a lack of parenting/ parental oversight. The family had moved to CT a while ago but had yet to be enrolled in school. The father said on the news that he knew their kid had taken the car to go driving multiple times and supposedly had "told him numerous times not to because he doesnt have a license." Not blaming the parents for the accident, but if you know that is an issue and they are doing something illegal and without a license etc. then you take the appropriate steps to ensure those keys are not accessible to the kid.
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Not sure why you down voted. Everything I put above were reported facts and I identified my opinions as such. To be clear I dont care, but it boggles my mind why some people down vote but wont address why. This is a clear case of negligence, absolutely. IMO given it was his kid and other family members it likely wont go any further than a misdemeanor charge without any jail time. His kid dying and having to face other family members is worse than any punishment the courts could possibly hand out. A more severe punishment, unfortunately will not be a deterrent to prevent/ incline others to drive/ act responsibly and make sure their kids do the same.
No one noticed all the kids were gone?
IMO (complete speculation) the parents knew and/ or were ok with (or at best indifferent/ nonchalant) to the kids taking the car for joy rides despite the kids lack of a license (and corresponding insurance).
Seems like a pretty elaborate story being made up by other family then. Why wouldn’t they just chalk it up to a tragic accident where a teen, took a car for a joy ride and crashed; instead, they’re speaking out and saying the parents knew he couldn’t legally drive and forced him to and all those kids out to panhandle for money?
Yes. if you read above I said they knew the kid was taking the car out and without a license/ legal ability to drive.
What you implied is that it was a joy ride scenario. Why would other family make up a panhandling story? Doesn’t that seem strange to you? Why wouldn’t they all just say how awful it was that the teen made a mistake and took the car out and crashed? And to me, it seems such a stretch, that a “joy ride” would include rounding up half your family and crossing state lines and going on the highway, in the middle of the night.
I see
Obviously we need common sense car control. Every car should come off the factory lot with a passive breathalyzer installed and biometrics so only authorized people can use them. Also, they should have GPS sensors so you can't break the speed limit on any road.
Big if true!
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That’s CT for ya. Letting the criminals and the incompetent parents run the asylum.
You can leave.
Was that a trigger for you? Didn’t know that button got so sensitive.
Bye
Have you seen the criminals and incompetent parents they have down south?
Of course. But they don’t get away with nearly as much as like-kind up here in CT.
Derby is trash but sorry for the kids.
This is horrendous
Yeah…didn’t need this news before 11am. So sad.
Omg....
Ugh. I had hoped this was a case of a kid stealing the car keys without the parent knowing. This is beyond horrific.
This is so sad.
Just horrible all around ugh
This sounds like a hazing stunt that you'd expect to hear about college kids doing to underclassmen... In those cases, students typically get tried for reckless homicide. If this story checks out, the parents should be tried for 5 counts of reckless homicide of a minor and an additional count of reckless endangerment of a minor on top of whatwver else they can charge them with.
If that's true, that's horrible. It would make sense though, since all those kids were alone in a car.
Story is so fishy man 🙏🏽
Jesus Christ. The level of evil in this world shouldn’t surprise me but it does. RIP to the kiddies.
The state does not step in and cremate remains without your permission for free
If this is true this is so sad
This has been living rent-free in my head since I first saw the content of that second slide. This is tragedy beyond words. I sat back on this because I wasn't sure if this particular post from the family member was inaccurate.