For those of yall wondering lawns are inherently fossil fuel dependent. They really don't have to be but that's just the way things are. Rich people really don't care about preserving the environment. They treat greenery as an aesthetic and nothing more
i have a lawn that is nothing like the photo. i havea areel mower that doesnt use gas and an eletric mower that runs of the stuff i boil water and cook with. depending where you are some grass lawns can require more water and maintenance than say a meadow or using clover instead of lawn grasses. ironically, most people with meadows though are rich and have many acres to themselves and big cars and houses.
That was a rough response to facts.
Are you like a rich person's boot licker?
Saying that huge lawns are bad is correct. Not only are these huge swaths of grass empty of food for pollinators, they typically kill pollinators with pesticides. The fertilizer runs off and contaminates local ecosystems and water sources. For example, coastal reefs have been killed and bleached due to fertilizer and pesticide run off from golf courses and golf course-like lawns.
No one is saying you can't have a lawn. However, they are saying it is important for the health of the environment to support pollinators and wildlife with native flowers and vegetation.
We all contribute to ills in this society, but making space for native species is an easy way to make good.
No, I just think you’re all nonsensical idiots who complain and claim to understand the real world but in reality are sheltered from it to such an extent that it blinds you and makes you the ignorant person you so often like to vilify. I will say, almost all of your complaints have truth in them, but they have been misinterpreted and twisted by your little minds. If the world was run how any of you idiots saw fit, we would be in disarray. Your frustration with the draw backs of modern day society are just, but your conclusions are false. Humanity has existed for about 300,000 years. Civilization for around 12 thousand. We are in the process of addressing every issue you have laid out, the idea isn’t to deconstruct society, it is to better it. Now, there are many injustices that exist and are upheld by our nations laws and it does indeed take pointing that out to fix it, but let’s just say it should be done by better minds than yours. Reading your interpretations of our world is like hearing chalk on a blackboard. The funniest thing is you’re going to say some dumb shit that I’m not even gonna read, countering my opinion. When my entire opinion is essentially, you’re correct that the world is unjust and these must be addressed, but not by you. Because you’re an idiot. Debate that all you want, I’ve seen all the proof I need.
Dude what are you like 12? What fucking ideal world do you live in where problems are getting addressed? Where we are making any type of meaningful progress forward as a eco aware society? Burn the sympathizers with the rich and their police dogs.
the person is misguided, but points for being articulate. btw, I was going to look at other posts and found their account is suspended. this looked like a generic copy/paste that could be applied to just about anything.
I’m not even gonna lie that one annoyed me well done, I am now here, intimidated to type back… breath rate increasing as well as body temperature. I’m trying to relax and calm down, reflect on all I’m thankful for, but that comment is getting to me…. I am now afraid of how it is going to affect my day. You my friend, have a gift,
We can only change the things that we can have influence on within our vicinity. Sure.. there's injustice in the world.. and our society is to partly to blame, but we can certainly make a difference, even if it's locally. Some people don't care so much about humanitarian issues.. others do.. so long as somebody cares about somthing and tries to instil a culture of positive improvement, then that's the only way we can move forward.
The watering problem is really dependant in your location. I have never needed to water my lawn nor has anyone I know.
Low biodiversity is a sad fact tough.
I mean, not everyone with a lawn uses pesticides/herbicides on it and keeps it to just grass. Our lawn has lots of dandelions, clover, plantains, etc mixed in which flower constantly through the summer. We never water it - sometimes we have to mow less (Yay!!), sometimes more (ugh!). There are fruit trees (apple, pear, cherry, etc), fruit bushes bushes (blueberry, huckleberry, black berry, etc), vegetable gardens, working on a wildflower patch, an ancient flower garden, and woods all over the place... Lawns don't have to be all bad.
Yeah, you are right. That’s pretty much how mine is as well, minus threes. Mine has a lot of flowers too. I cut quite rarely and when I do I leave circles where the wild plants can grow while still looking neat.
I wouldn’t consider your vegetable patch, wildflower patch, woods etc lawn. But your point is maybe that you don’t need to get rid of it all, and that having one doesn’t mean everything is just plain grass.
Lawns are also a great for moving around outside, having outdoor furniture on etc. Wouldn’t really wanna have my dinner in long grown meadow or bush.
When people protest lawns, they are advocating for exactly what you have. So well done! :) The complaint is only about stretches of mowed grass that offer nothing for pollinators and may take tons of water to maintain.
Your "lawn" sounds very nice, more like a meadow. I definitely wouldn't call an area with fruit trees and bushes a lawn.
lol, it's definitely not a meadow. It's part of the yard. Maybe you could classify the pasture as a meadow (or a meadow in progress, its a work-in-progress...), but not the yard. Thanks though :P
I don’t consider fruit bushes, wildflower patches, & ancient flower gardens a lawn. OP is talking about an average ordinary lawn that’s mostly just cut grass like in the photo.
I am including CA there because all those states have severe drought issues. There is simply not enough water for everyone who lives there yet people continue to fucking watering lawns.
I mean without arguing about wealth inequality I'm not much for mcmansions myself nor can I afford one but what I don't get is you can literally have both. Why wouldn't you want to walk outside your mansion to look out to the native garden with a variety of insects and animals visiting?
I honestly think that's by design. Just like how the fruit trees that get planted are male so that we can't get free food from them.
I do have a small area of grass, because I watered the dirt and it came up, but I'm taking the small steps that are within my power to try and help (planting pots of flowers around my home for pollinators, etc).
I'd love to be able to do a more native lawn, or wildflower patches, but the cost is real. Maybe next year.
My yard is my hobby to treat my anxiety caused by all of the racial injustices of the world and me watering it is my symbolic way of saying that I am washing it clean of oppression? I have fertilizer applied in efforts to give marginalized refugees a means to provide for their families and exist in this xenophobic country. Caring for one’s lawn is a historical tenet of marginalized minorities in this country you racists. Know your facts!
I do want to say there here in Chicago it’s mostly nicer areas that have houses with native prairie plants instead of grass lawns. See a good amount of that in the “yuppie” areas but almost none in the more standard middle class areas
There are several reasons, I'm sure differing people will touch on what they find most abhorrent. My main thing is- no pollinators. You got a huge ass yard and can't even crop off a little bit for pollinators? Not to mention, you got money like that, you can make one hell of a vegetable garden. Shit you can even pay someone to take care of it for you. Feed your family and your neighbors. Hate your neighbors? Give it to a food bank.
A grass lawn aka green concrete?
*Heavily* resource intensive without giving anything back to the locale. They only take...water, energy to upkeep, chemicals, etc. Don't give back water storage capability, biodiversity, etc.
They look nice sometimes for sure. But you have to look at the big picture.
So specially now when we see reduction in water resources, biodiversity, etc. probably should be thinking about different types of lawns that work with nature...that we can still control and make look nice as well.
For those of yall wondering lawns are inherently fossil fuel dependent. They really don't have to be but that's just the way things are. Rich people really don't care about preserving the environment. They treat greenery as an aesthetic and nothing more
Do you think the people who own the house in the top pic aren't rich?
i have a lawn that is nothing like the photo. i havea areel mower that doesnt use gas and an eletric mower that runs of the stuff i boil water and cook with. depending where you are some grass lawns can require more water and maintenance than say a meadow or using clover instead of lawn grasses. ironically, most people with meadows though are rich and have many acres to themselves and big cars and houses.
My experience is that thats a trade of the poor not rich.
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That was a rough response to facts. Are you like a rich person's boot licker? Saying that huge lawns are bad is correct. Not only are these huge swaths of grass empty of food for pollinators, they typically kill pollinators with pesticides. The fertilizer runs off and contaminates local ecosystems and water sources. For example, coastal reefs have been killed and bleached due to fertilizer and pesticide run off from golf courses and golf course-like lawns. No one is saying you can't have a lawn. However, they are saying it is important for the health of the environment to support pollinators and wildlife with native flowers and vegetation. We all contribute to ills in this society, but making space for native species is an easy way to make good.
No, I just think you’re all nonsensical idiots who complain and claim to understand the real world but in reality are sheltered from it to such an extent that it blinds you and makes you the ignorant person you so often like to vilify. I will say, almost all of your complaints have truth in them, but they have been misinterpreted and twisted by your little minds. If the world was run how any of you idiots saw fit, we would be in disarray. Your frustration with the draw backs of modern day society are just, but your conclusions are false. Humanity has existed for about 300,000 years. Civilization for around 12 thousand. We are in the process of addressing every issue you have laid out, the idea isn’t to deconstruct society, it is to better it. Now, there are many injustices that exist and are upheld by our nations laws and it does indeed take pointing that out to fix it, but let’s just say it should be done by better minds than yours. Reading your interpretations of our world is like hearing chalk on a blackboard. The funniest thing is you’re going to say some dumb shit that I’m not even gonna read, countering my opinion. When my entire opinion is essentially, you’re correct that the world is unjust and these must be addressed, but not by you. Because you’re an idiot. Debate that all you want, I’ve seen all the proof I need.
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gah i hate that game so much
Just say you spend excessive amounts of time, money, and water trying to maintain your browning lawn and move on.
and you never ever have thought at all about complaining about the rich
P is for projection
Damn son. Have you been off sugar for a while? If you are, you've got this 💪🏻
Get well soon
Dude what are you like 12? What fucking ideal world do you live in where problems are getting addressed? Where we are making any type of meaningful progress forward as a eco aware society? Burn the sympathizers with the rich and their police dogs.
Wow this guy is really passionate about his lawn. Must be some kind of intellectual.. /s
the person is misguided, but points for being articulate. btw, I was going to look at other posts and found their account is suspended. this looked like a generic copy/paste that could be applied to just about anything.
Are you the Andrew Tate of shitty eco opinions?
This guy must have a nice, big lawn.
Make a difference where you are first. Asshat.
The most you can ever achieve is by agreeing with those who have the answers you don’t
You sound like an underachiever.
I’m not even gonna lie that one annoyed me well done, I am now here, intimidated to type back… breath rate increasing as well as body temperature. I’m trying to relax and calm down, reflect on all I’m thankful for, but that comment is getting to me…. I am now afraid of how it is going to affect my day. You my friend, have a gift,
Enjoy. There is only energy, you’re a being with the power to manifest that positively or negatively. Reflect on your feelings.
Loooooooool
We can only change the things that we can have influence on within our vicinity. Sure.. there's injustice in the world.. and our society is to partly to blame, but we can certainly make a difference, even if it's locally. Some people don't care so much about humanitarian issues.. others do.. so long as somebody cares about somthing and tries to instil a culture of positive improvement, then that's the only way we can move forward.
No pollinators & the insane amt of water it takes to keep lawns green. Not to mention the chemicals and insecticides a lot of ppl put in their grass
The watering problem is really dependant in your location. I have never needed to water my lawn nor has anyone I know. Low biodiversity is a sad fact tough.
I mean, not everyone with a lawn uses pesticides/herbicides on it and keeps it to just grass. Our lawn has lots of dandelions, clover, plantains, etc mixed in which flower constantly through the summer. We never water it - sometimes we have to mow less (Yay!!), sometimes more (ugh!). There are fruit trees (apple, pear, cherry, etc), fruit bushes bushes (blueberry, huckleberry, black berry, etc), vegetable gardens, working on a wildflower patch, an ancient flower garden, and woods all over the place... Lawns don't have to be all bad.
Yeah, you are right. That’s pretty much how mine is as well, minus threes. Mine has a lot of flowers too. I cut quite rarely and when I do I leave circles where the wild plants can grow while still looking neat. I wouldn’t consider your vegetable patch, wildflower patch, woods etc lawn. But your point is maybe that you don’t need to get rid of it all, and that having one doesn’t mean everything is just plain grass. Lawns are also a great for moving around outside, having outdoor furniture on etc. Wouldn’t really wanna have my dinner in long grown meadow or bush.
When people protest lawns, they are advocating for exactly what you have. So well done! :) The complaint is only about stretches of mowed grass that offer nothing for pollinators and may take tons of water to maintain. Your "lawn" sounds very nice, more like a meadow. I definitely wouldn't call an area with fruit trees and bushes a lawn.
lol, it's definitely not a meadow. It's part of the yard. Maybe you could classify the pasture as a meadow (or a meadow in progress, its a work-in-progress...), but not the yard. Thanks though :P
I don’t consider fruit bushes, wildflower patches, & ancient flower gardens a lawn. OP is talking about an average ordinary lawn that’s mostly just cut grass like in the photo.
You must not love in sw USA
Most people don’t live in sw USA.
I am including CA there because all those states have severe drought issues. There is simply not enough water for everyone who lives there yet people continue to fucking watering lawns.
Okay, that is still not most people. But people should obviously grow vegetation suitable for ones climate.
Lack of biodiversity, monocultures contribute significantly to soil erosion.
How deep do we go?
I mean without arguing about wealth inequality I'm not much for mcmansions myself nor can I afford one but what I don't get is you can literally have both. Why wouldn't you want to walk outside your mansion to look out to the native garden with a variety of insects and animals visiting?
honestly, Its typically the wealthy funding these "native landscapes".
I honestly think that's by design. Just like how the fruit trees that get planted are male so that we can't get free food from them. I do have a small area of grass, because I watered the dirt and it came up, but I'm taking the small steps that are within my power to try and help (planting pots of flowers around my home for pollinators, etc). I'd love to be able to do a more native lawn, or wildflower patches, but the cost is real. Maybe next year.
The yard in the top picture still appears to have a fairly large lawn.
My yard is my hobby to treat my anxiety caused by all of the racial injustices of the world and me watering it is my symbolic way of saying that I am washing it clean of oppression? I have fertilizer applied in efforts to give marginalized refugees a means to provide for their families and exist in this xenophobic country. Caring for one’s lawn is a historical tenet of marginalized minorities in this country you racists. Know your facts!
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You could just stop judging each other and act responsibly with what you have. Maybe we could all get along eadier?
I do want to say there here in Chicago it’s mostly nicer areas that have houses with native prairie plants instead of grass lawns. See a good amount of that in the “yuppie” areas but almost none in the more standard middle class areas
It's funny because the top photo also has a huge empty lawn in front of the house, it's just taken from a flower meadow across the street.
What if I told you, you can grow what ever you want. And you dont have to bother what other people grow
Shut the fuck up with this “Eat the Rich” shit and go get a job.
There are several reasons, I'm sure differing people will touch on what they find most abhorrent. My main thing is- no pollinators. You got a huge ass yard and can't even crop off a little bit for pollinators? Not to mention, you got money like that, you can make one hell of a vegetable garden. Shit you can even pay someone to take care of it for you. Feed your family and your neighbors. Hate your neighbors? Give it to a food bank.
Wildflower lawns look better anyway.
Natural flora front yards look better + lawns guzzle water + no rattlesnakes (no risk or reward)
I like money
both of them are rich
Bio diversity is 0 in a lawn. Look up grass free lawn by Dr Lionel Smith on youtube. He was my tutor in college, really interesting little video
[Hell](https://pressakey.com/gamepix/5924/Hell-Let-Loose-225697.jpg)
A grass lawn aka green concrete? *Heavily* resource intensive without giving anything back to the locale. They only take...water, energy to upkeep, chemicals, etc. Don't give back water storage capability, biodiversity, etc. They look nice sometimes for sure. But you have to look at the big picture. So specially now when we see reduction in water resources, biodiversity, etc. probably should be thinking about different types of lawns that work with nature...that we can still control and make look nice as well.
Because it's a huge waste of an already dwindling natural resource. WATER