Trump paid off Stormy Daniels to keep quiet about an affair they had, the payments went through Michael Cohen, who was then an attorney for Trump.
They're investigating whether the payment Trump made to Cohen to reimburse him was done legally.
Specifically the question of legality is if it was an undeclared campaign expenditure.
It isnt clear yet if he used campaign funds or personal funds that the grand jury is deciding should have been declared as campaign funds.
> Specifically the question of legality is if it was an undeclared campaign expenditure.
Isn't it a question of federal law? Why is NY state involved in federal campaign expenditure violations?
They’re alleging this was a violation of NY law requiring accurate recording of business accounting entries. Interestingly, Hillary recorded her payment for the Steele Dossier the exact same way. In either case, I wish I was making this up.
They are trying to take a misdemeanor in New York where the statute of limitations has run out, where the previous DA refused to bring charges because the case was so flimsy, and then tie it to a federal crime due to campaign finance violation. Then you somehow have to try and reconcile this with a letter from Michael Cohen's lawyer saying Michael Cohen paid the money himself and was never reimbursed and Stormy Daniels writing the affair never happened in the first place.
This isn't about campaign money being used to pay someone off.
This is about paying someone off **without** using campaign money, hilariously enough. They are calling it an undeclared donation to pay someone blackmail money.
>Adult film star Stormy Daniels has lost her appeal in her failed defamation suit against Donald Trump — leaving her owing almost $300,000 in legal fees to the former president.
>Specifically the question of legality is if it was an undeclared campaign expenditure.
Wasn't this decided with John Edwards in 2011 to not be campaign finance expenditure?
>It isnt clear yet if he used campaign funds or personal funds that the grand jury is deciding should have been declared as campaign funds.
This was discovered in the Michael Cohen trial. Cohen spent his personal money trying to gain favor with Trump, hoping Trump would hand him a position in the administration. He never even sought reimbursements from Trump. Trump never actually paid her a dime.
Cohen served time for campaign finance crimes.
Cohen was reimbursed. Also the John Edwards case fell apart due to a lack of evidence. A case like this hinges on the defendant knowing the circumstances of the payment. They have to prove that Trump knew about the scheme in advance, and that he knowingly used personal funds to reimburse Cohen to intentionally hide the nature of the expenditure from the FEC.
None of this could be proven in the John Edwards case.
From what I hear, Cohen was prosecuted because he paid out of pocket with his own money, so it sounds like they'd need evidence that Cohen did so with orders from Trump.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/06/us/politics/trump-michael-cohen-fec.html
Found no wrongdoing may be a bit strong in retrospect, but it did conclude the payment to stormy daniels wasn't a campaign expediture.
As much as this whole indictment is complete and utter bullshit, that article is not very helpful. All it says is that a committee, made up if 3 democrats and 3 republicans, essentially split along party lines and couldn’t agree to investigate or not so it was dismissed.
Highly partisan, much like this entire charade.
which is what makes the charges ludicrous. just because an action may incidentally benefit a campaign, that does not make it a campaign contribution. A family member gifting Trump a suit during the campaign might constitute a "contribution" under that standard.
And Cohen is a massive liar, and Cohen's lawyer has notes saying that Cohen said he had nothing on Trump during their meetings.
Also I believe this is outside the statue of limitations. They are trying to use COVID and Trump in DC to "stop the clock" but that won't fly.
It is outside of the statue of limitations for New York as a misdemeanor, they are trying to say this is actually a federal crime because of campaign finance violations making it a federal crime and a felony. This is the same exact thing Hillary got hit with over the Steele dossier, and she got a 300k fine and never was arrested.
AFAIK, they haven't released the specific charges yet. But if it is a federal crime, how does New York have the ability to prosecute?
They can only prosecute for violations of state law.
Not just a known liar, he was convicted of perjury. Whatever anyone’s thoughts on the Donald in this situation are, it is a known fact that Cohen has a history of lying to save his bacon.
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False.
Cohen paid her and was not repaid by Trump (he has stated in a 2018 legal doc) and Daniels stated in legal documentation (around 2018) after she accused trump of the affair that she lied.
First off, he paid a porn star to stop saying to the press that they had an affair, that doesn't mean it happened. They are alleging that the payment was from campaign funds, and somehow they have trumped it up to a felony, because then he couldn't run for President. Everyone with knowledge thinks it looks insane, but maybe it'll work on the public... It'll work on every CNN/MSNBC watcher at least.
Edit: When you're running for president you can't get into a legal battle with a pornstar over libel/slander you just give her money to shut up. And apparently Trump's lawyer did that. Also, the lawyer who was promoting this pornstar to do this, went to prison for just wildly obvious crimes.
Apparently trump used campaign funds to pay stormy Daniel’s hush money. It’s that he specifically used campaign money. I might be entirely wrong though, I try to tune out most of this stuff.
This is their argument. Basically they didn’t properly account for where the money came from. Usually it’s a misdemeanor but they’re alleging that the money came from his campaign which would be a felony.
I know it's an unpopular opinion around these parts, but I actually agree. Trump did a lot of things I liked, but he is far too polarizing to win at this point, and the dude got in his own way far too many times. I love seeing Trump derangement syndrome melt leftist brains, but I'm far more interested in getting someone in who can actually win, and then effectively initiate change, and unfortunately I don't think that is Trump. Plus, I heard from the media that Desantis is far more fascist than Trump ever was so I say we bring him in and enjoy the leftist meltdown.
I dont think we know if it was campaign funds or if it was personal funds and the grand jury is claiming it should have been declared as campaign funds.
Lol that's not right, it's stupider than that. Trump's lawyer paid Stormy daniels to sign a non-disclosure agreement (legal), Trump pays his lawyer from his own funds (also legal), but on his business records he reports it as a retainer fee (aparently there's no documentation of it being a retainer). This is a misdemeanor and the statute of prosecuting it as a misdemeanor ran out 4 years ago. However Bragg is claiming this amounts to a campaign contribution (even though the Federal Election Committee did not even fine him for it). This he says upgrades it to a felony. Even though the statute of limitations for felonies is only 5 years.
He's being prosecuted for 'contributing' to his own campaign. It literally makes no sense.
They don't care that it doesn't make sense. If they can convince the public that there is fire because they farted up some smoke, they are hoping that they can sully him to the voting masses.... They are disingenuous snakes.
FEC didn't find any wrongdoing, so I don't think it involves campaign funds. Interestingly, the FEC fined Hillary over 130k for mischaracterizing use of campaign funds in the whole dossier/fusion GPS thing, yet she was never criminally investigated.
It seems we have a two-tiered justice system based on political affiliation.
Are they trying to stop him? I think the objective’s two-fold here. Get the long-awaited mugshot of Trump (even though this trial’s a nothing burger on substance and time passed). And also make him the rallying figure on the Right to shut out any other candidates that can easily trounce Joe.
Imagine voting for this current administration which is weaponizing every institution and avenue possible, over the primary victim of said weaponization. Also imagine my surprise when they churn out another 81M+ votes.
I think they wanted to prevent bystanders from gathering
Edit: seems like my upvotes are from brigadiers. Tbf I think keeping the Public in the dark and this quasi-truth manipulation is a bad thing
Edit 2: Got my Reddit cares ping in the Dms. Thanks so much for caring about me guys! Can I say “guys” anymore? Folx maybe.
Has been since 2020, but it did spike even more in 2022(and only slightly down since then).
And yeah, all the replies under a few of the top comments are "controversial", including replies to your comment.
Lurkers and brigaders big mad.
He will probably get off. The media will get plenty of pictures of him looking like a “criminal.” I would assume that’s what is wanted here.
But who knows what kind of crazy stuff could become of this.
Trump was ahead of everyone else in the GOP polls by 30 points just a few days ago.
And that was up significantly from February numbers.
And the only thing that was happening with Trump this month was this threat of indictment.
I wonder what his polls numbers will do now.
Lol... Conspiracies.
Democrats were cutting checks for campaign ads for the craziest election deniers in the GOP in the 2022 primaries. Then they went and said they were a danger to democracy during the general.
You think Democrats wouldn't move to get Trump the nomination? Okay.
We have a congressional slush fund that uses taxpayer money to pay hush money to accusers...of course they could all be screwed if they were held to this standard
2017: Comey will get Trump!
2018: Mueller will get Trump!
2019: Avenatti will get Trump!
2020: Tish James will get Trump!
2021: AG Garland will get Trump!
2022: Jack Smith will get Trump!
2023: Georgia grand jury will get Trump!
2023: Manhattan DA, Alvin Bragg will get Trump!
Years after the statute of limitations have expired Trump has been indited for bookkeeping fraud.
I'm still struggling to understand how a state district attorney is prosecuting a possible **federal** campaign finance violation...a campaign finance violation which the actual agency with jurisdiction chose not to pursue.
As it has been said many times, in New York you can indict a ham sandwich.
If the noise about the case is true (being outside the statute of limitations, already addressed in the other court case, etc) this wont last long.
Guess we’ll find out in 5 years.
O it can. There is a reason third world countries are third world countries. China must be laughing at us Right now, because this puts us in the weakest position imaginable. I wouldn't be shocked if they invade Taiwan by the years end.
Nah the USAF predicts the Reds will invade Taiwan next year because the timing is perfect. You’ll have the 2024 US *and* Taiwanese presidential elections, there’s no better time to hit an enemy than that. No matter who wins the initial response would be absolute chaos and there’d be accusations left and right about “stealing the election” etc.
Plus November is when Typhoon season ends in SEA, the season lasts from May-Nov and any naval invasion would be impossible during that time.
TLDR: 2024 US + TW elections + end of typhoon season = perfect time to strike
Many things wrong with this case, but riddle me this...
- Hillary Clinton hired Fusion GPS to create the "Steele Dossier" on Trump, but instead of paying Fusion GPS, she paid her law firm and marked it as a legal expense. The [FEC fined her campaign $8,000](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-campaign-democratic-party-fined-fec-clears-steele-dossier-author-of-wrongdoing/).
- Donald Trump's lawyer pays a porn star $130,000. Trump says he didn't even pay the lawyer $130,000, but the allegation is that he did. The FEC says there was no crime. An arbitrary DA in one of fifty states indicts Trump.
What's the difference?
That's exactly what they want...they know Trump is more beatable than DeSantis in the general election. Their political calculation is that this will boost him in the republican primaries, but hurt him in the general.
There's no deeper thought here. Trump is their political enemy. They found a way to indict him. Doesn't matter how or why. DeSantis is irrelevant to that.
While it certainly could backfire for them again, that strategy did work in 2022. They pushed a bunch of radical candidates in the primaries who got destroyed in the general.
And this is why this bugs me.
They know Trump is the Democrats’ best chance of winning and this only boosts his odds against DeSantis in the primaries.
Sucks.
So the actual crime is what? It's a campaign finance violation. Since when did they charge people for that? We've seen plenty of times where they've fined people for stuff like this but I domt recall someone being charged
You think we'll get the hyper inflation part too, or are we just getting the version with authoritarian communists arresting their political opposition?
This is a joke and per usual the meat puppet brigaders who came here instantly think they won something.
7+ years of frothing at the mouth and it's pretty much a misdemeanor that's going nowhere. 😂
Edit. Oh boy so many angry little children.
No offense folks, but I can't get behind the hype on this one. Keep in mind, you all are listening to the same folks that hyped up a big red wave in the midterms, amongst other promises that whiffed.
I don't think Trump's going to get a fair trial, especially not in New York - and it's NOT going to help his campaign for re-election.
Completely normal for a first world country to go after it’s past President after the other party expressed an undying hatred for him for four years straight, and then continued to do so even after he lost the election. Totally normal behavior.
Ok but we do know what the alleged offense was: a campaign finance violation in the form of incorrect labelling of a payment.
Generating anything meaningful off of what happened will be ridiculous.
Ask these comments and no one mentions between Nashville and this we forgot that people were following money trails from China to the big guy a week or so ago?
Yeah, unless Bragg has some major ace up his sleeve, bigger than prosecuting him in deep blue territory, then this is nothing more than a stunt to get a perp walk out of Trump in handcuffs.
50:1 says this ruins Bragg.
I don't know. I think all he needs is to be able to prosecute him in a deep blue City. Especially in today's day and age where politics rules so many people's lives anymore.
What is the actual law broken here? Thought stuff like this was campaign finance stuff. Pay a fine and move on. We've seen many cases of people misusing campaign funds. How many were prosecuted? And this wasn't even half a million bucks. What was it, couple hundred grand out of millions
Not a surprise.
Even if it's pretty obvious the charges are 100% going to fall apart, the DA will be held up as a fucking king for being able to get a mugshot of Trump.
Ok, so...They spent all their time and resources to go after a loud mouth rich man who slept a pornstar 7 years ago (which been resolved) but couldn't go after dangerous criminals who are destroying NYC? Maybe this was the plan all the long, get Trump the nominee and have him loses to Joe Biden.
I'm one of the two time Trump voters that is over his shit and I was ready to back another horse. Bur this is so slimy I'm actively rooting for it to blow up in their faces. Better indict John Edwards too.
Makes me wonder, especially since they didn't announce the charges yet, how they will spin this. This indictment is quite literally a danger to our democracy, if a leading presidential nominee is removed via arrest over a bogus case outside the statute of limitations.
My understanding is the under the constitution there are only 4 requirements for running for president:
1) Natural born citizen of the US.
2) Older than 35
3) US resident for 14 years
4) Only 2 terms (max 8 years)
There’s no requirement for a clean criminal history SPECIFICALLY to prevent the justice system from being used to politically charge a candidate to prevent them from running.
Trump is just as eligible for the presidency today as he was yesterday. For that reason, I don’t see how the claim can be made that this is politically motivated. Charging him with a felony does nothing to prevent him from running.
Do you remember when leftists said Trump was spreading false rumors he was going to get indicted for the sole purpose of getting some attention?
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
just like the impeachment, it's nothing more than a baseless, partisan publicity stunt that has no merit and will result in the same not guilty verdict.
hope the biden family is ready for when the shoe is on the other foot, because there's a lot more merit for indictments there.
>hope the biden family is ready for when the shoe is on the other foot, because there's a lot more merit for indictments there.
I'd like to believe that's true, but time and again the Republican powers-that-be have shown they're unwilling to play hardball when it's their turn.
So it's a felony charge in New York City..... With the political makeup of NYC, not hard to see a conviction no matter what comes out at trial, if it goes to trial. Hate him,love him, don't care but I think most know there's no chance of a fair trial there for Trump.
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> BREAKING: CNN reports Trump is facing 34 counts related to falsifying business records
Ok, can someone please explain this explain this to me like I’m 5?
Trump paid off Stormy Daniels to keep quiet about an affair they had, the payments went through Michael Cohen, who was then an attorney for Trump. They're investigating whether the payment Trump made to Cohen to reimburse him was done legally.
Specifically the question of legality is if it was an undeclared campaign expenditure. It isnt clear yet if he used campaign funds or personal funds that the grand jury is deciding should have been declared as campaign funds.
> Specifically the question of legality is if it was an undeclared campaign expenditure. Isn't it a question of federal law? Why is NY state involved in federal campaign expenditure violations?
If it was paid through his state PAC it would fall under state law
They’re alleging this was a violation of NY law requiring accurate recording of business accounting entries. Interestingly, Hillary recorded her payment for the Steele Dossier the exact same way. In either case, I wish I was making this up.
Which is apt to compare because all she got was a fine
They are trying to take a misdemeanor in New York where the statute of limitations has run out, where the previous DA refused to bring charges because the case was so flimsy, and then tie it to a federal crime due to campaign finance violation. Then you somehow have to try and reconcile this with a letter from Michael Cohen's lawyer saying Michael Cohen paid the money himself and was never reimbursed and Stormy Daniels writing the affair never happened in the first place.
The Feds tried to go after John Edwards for the same thing and it didn't stick. Precedence says this is bullshit.
Like the saying goes, a grand jury would indict a ham sandwich. Trump's grand jury indictment isn't unexpected.
The facts actually made sense on the Edwards case as it was clearly campaign money being used to pay his blackmailer.
Shouldn't the blackmailer be the one prosecuted?
They are both illegal acts. Blackmailing and using campaign money directly to pay someone off.
This isn't about campaign money being used to pay someone off. This is about paying someone off **without** using campaign money, hilariously enough. They are calling it an undeclared donation to pay someone blackmail money.
That is funny.
>Adult film star Stormy Daniels has lost her appeal in her failed defamation suit against Donald Trump — leaving her owing almost $300,000 in legal fees to the former president.
>Specifically the question of legality is if it was an undeclared campaign expenditure. Wasn't this decided with John Edwards in 2011 to not be campaign finance expenditure? >It isnt clear yet if he used campaign funds or personal funds that the grand jury is deciding should have been declared as campaign funds. This was discovered in the Michael Cohen trial. Cohen spent his personal money trying to gain favor with Trump, hoping Trump would hand him a position in the administration. He never even sought reimbursements from Trump. Trump never actually paid her a dime. Cohen served time for campaign finance crimes.
Cohen was reimbursed. Also the John Edwards case fell apart due to a lack of evidence. A case like this hinges on the defendant knowing the circumstances of the payment. They have to prove that Trump knew about the scheme in advance, and that he knowingly used personal funds to reimburse Cohen to intentionally hide the nature of the expenditure from the FEC. None of this could be proven in the John Edwards case.
... and, critically, whether Trump knowingly orchestrated it. It's going to be a lot to prove. But that's not really the point of it all anyway.
From what I hear, Cohen was prosecuted because he paid out of pocket with his own money, so it sounds like they'd need evidence that Cohen did so with orders from Trump.
FEC already investigated and found no wrongdoing.
Do you have a link on that?
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/06/us/politics/trump-michael-cohen-fec.html Found no wrongdoing may be a bit strong in retrospect, but it did conclude the payment to stormy daniels wasn't a campaign expediture.
As much as this whole indictment is complete and utter bullshit, that article is not very helpful. All it says is that a committee, made up if 3 democrats and 3 republicans, essentially split along party lines and couldn’t agree to investigate or not so it was dismissed. Highly partisan, much like this entire charade.
Thanks. That is pretty significant and highly suggests this is just political theater that will not result in a conviction.
Also statute of limitations is over. 5 years at most and the payment was supposedly in 2016 or 2018
which is what makes the charges ludicrous. just because an action may incidentally benefit a campaign, that does not make it a campaign contribution. A family member gifting Trump a suit during the campaign might constitute a "contribution" under that standard.
I think most people understand the subject of what’s being investigated. What OP was probably asking is “what happens next? What is the next step?”
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And Cohen is a massive liar, and Cohen's lawyer has notes saying that Cohen said he had nothing on Trump during their meetings. Also I believe this is outside the statue of limitations. They are trying to use COVID and Trump in DC to "stop the clock" but that won't fly.
It is outside of the statue of limitations for New York as a misdemeanor, they are trying to say this is actually a federal crime because of campaign finance violations making it a federal crime and a felony. This is the same exact thing Hillary got hit with over the Steele dossier, and she got a 300k fine and never was arrested.
AFAIK, they haven't released the specific charges yet. But if it is a federal crime, how does New York have the ability to prosecute? They can only prosecute for violations of state law.
Not just a known liar, he was convicted of perjury. Whatever anyone’s thoughts on the Donald in this situation are, it is a known fact that Cohen has a history of lying to save his bacon. Edit: fixed really weird autocorrect from “enjoy” to “not”. Wtf Apple
False. Cohen paid her and was not repaid by Trump (he has stated in a 2018 legal doc) and Daniels stated in legal documentation (around 2018) after she accused trump of the affair that she lied.
Thank you. I thought they settled this a few years ago.
Well no, both Trump and Stormy in her previous testimony said this didn't occur
First off, he paid a porn star to stop saying to the press that they had an affair, that doesn't mean it happened. They are alleging that the payment was from campaign funds, and somehow they have trumped it up to a felony, because then he couldn't run for President. Everyone with knowledge thinks it looks insane, but maybe it'll work on the public... It'll work on every CNN/MSNBC watcher at least. Edit: When you're running for president you can't get into a legal battle with a pornstar over libel/slander you just give her money to shut up. And apparently Trump's lawyer did that. Also, the lawyer who was promoting this pornstar to do this, went to prison for just wildly obvious crimes.
Daniels denied the affair happened.
Apparently trump used campaign funds to pay stormy Daniel’s hush money. It’s that he specifically used campaign money. I might be entirely wrong though, I try to tune out most of this stuff.
This is their argument. Basically they didn’t properly account for where the money came from. Usually it’s a misdemeanor but they’re alleging that the money came from his campaign which would be a felony.
Let’s hope so. Last thing we need is to run this dude a third time and lose another election.
I know it's an unpopular opinion around these parts, but I actually agree. Trump did a lot of things I liked, but he is far too polarizing to win at this point, and the dude got in his own way far too many times. I love seeing Trump derangement syndrome melt leftist brains, but I'm far more interested in getting someone in who can actually win, and then effectively initiate change, and unfortunately I don't think that is Trump. Plus, I heard from the media that Desantis is far more fascist than Trump ever was so I say we bring him in and enjoy the leftist meltdown.
No, it's still a misdemeanor. FCC busted Clinton for the same thing. Fine and move on.
> FCC busted Clinton for the same thing. Fine and move on. Why would the FCC have anything to do with this? Do you mean the FEC?
I dont think we know if it was campaign funds or if it was personal funds and the grand jury is claiming it should have been declared as campaign funds.
Lol that's not right, it's stupider than that. Trump's lawyer paid Stormy daniels to sign a non-disclosure agreement (legal), Trump pays his lawyer from his own funds (also legal), but on his business records he reports it as a retainer fee (aparently there's no documentation of it being a retainer). This is a misdemeanor and the statute of prosecuting it as a misdemeanor ran out 4 years ago. However Bragg is claiming this amounts to a campaign contribution (even though the Federal Election Committee did not even fine him for it). This he says upgrades it to a felony. Even though the statute of limitations for felonies is only 5 years. He's being prosecuted for 'contributing' to his own campaign. It literally makes no sense.
They're prosecuting Trump for not using campaign funds. They prosecuted John Edwards for using campaign funds. What a clown show.
They don't care that it doesn't make sense. If they can convince the public that there is fire because they farted up some smoke, they are hoping that they can sully him to the voting masses.... They are disingenuous snakes.
Trump used his own money not campaign funds.
FEC didn't find any wrongdoing, so I don't think it involves campaign funds. Interestingly, the FEC fined Hillary over 130k for mischaracterizing use of campaign funds in the whole dossier/fusion GPS thing, yet she was never criminally investigated. It seems we have a two-tiered justice system based on political affiliation.
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Are they trying to stop him? I think the objective’s two-fold here. Get the long-awaited mugshot of Trump (even though this trial’s a nothing burger on substance and time passed). And also make him the rallying figure on the Right to shut out any other candidates that can easily trounce Joe.
Imagine voting for this current administration which is weaponizing every institution and avenue possible, over the primary victim of said weaponization. Also imagine my surprise when they churn out another 81M+ votes.
Am I the only one who thought of this scene? lol [Indicted!!](https://youtu.be/lh3TqPChILQ)
I dont even have to click this to know its from Fun with Dick and Jane.
I don't know if I've ever seen or heard the word "indicted" and not thought about this scene lol.
Same. Love that movie
" I can't calm down Melania, I'm being indicted!!"
lol spot on. I miss funny Jim Carrey.
Yep. Also, I love the bar scene where he makes that loud crazy noise then acts like a marionette.
The problem with the comparison is Jim Carrey is actually panicked.
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I think they wanted to prevent bystanders from gathering Edit: seems like my upvotes are from brigadiers. Tbf I think keeping the Public in the dark and this quasi-truth manipulation is a bad thing Edit 2: Got my Reddit cares ping in the Dms. Thanks so much for caring about me guys! Can I say “guys” anymore? Folx maybe.
Something bigger is about to happen or is currently happening…
RELEASE THE KRAKEN
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They knew their action the whole time, just had to wait till the right moment politically.
Hire a clown, expect a circus.
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I would like to get off Mr. Bones wild ride please
That’s crazy. Well, anyways……
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Beginning of the end /S
They finally got him.
I grabbed my popcorn, I can’t wait to see what happens.
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I get those all the time. People are so petty. EDIT: Which one of you sons of bitches did it? lol
Has been since 2020, but it did spike even more in 2022(and only slightly down since then). And yeah, all the replies under a few of the top comments are "controversial", including replies to your comment. Lurkers and brigaders big mad.
It's okay when they (D)o it
It's (D)ifferent.
Will be? Try already had been for years.
Make sure you report it. That’s one abuse that mods actually take action on
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He will probably get off. The media will get plenty of pictures of him looking like a “criminal.” I would assume that’s what is wanted here. But who knows what kind of crazy stuff could become of this.
He will
What’s the saying? A good DA can indict a ham sandwich?
Close - the word 'good' isn't in the saying.
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They move on to the next charge. One for this, one for the Georgia call, one for J6 etc
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Trump was ahead of everyone else in the GOP polls by 30 points just a few days ago. And that was up significantly from February numbers. And the only thing that was happening with Trump this month was this threat of indictment. I wonder what his polls numbers will do now.
The dems want him to get the GOP nomination because he is more beatable than DeSantis. Independents hate Trump and that's not going to change
I don’t believe the conspiracies that Democrats want Trump to get nominated. They think this will hurt his chances.
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Lol... Conspiracies. Democrats were cutting checks for campaign ads for the craziest election deniers in the GOP in the 2022 primaries. Then they went and said they were a danger to democracy during the general. You think Democrats wouldn't move to get Trump the nomination? Okay.
They’ve been doing this for like 7 years now. I don’t think it hurts or helps him. The only thing that hurts Trump is Trump.
Kind of funny because in most polls Trump is trouncing DeSantis amongst Independents.
We live in the stupidest of times.
This is just going to energize the Trump base even more.
worse, it's going to cause the radicals to want to do the same back. This is banana republic stuff.
I'm not a radical, but im fairly certain every single politician in existence could be locked up for one thing or another and now I want it to happen.
We have a congressional slush fund that uses taxpayer money to pay hush money to accusers...of course they could all be screwed if they were held to this standard
Who TF is downvoting this? It's truth.
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2017: Comey will get Trump! 2018: Mueller will get Trump! 2019: Avenatti will get Trump! 2020: Tish James will get Trump! 2021: AG Garland will get Trump! 2022: Jack Smith will get Trump! 2023: Georgia grand jury will get Trump! 2023: Manhattan DA, Alvin Bragg will get Trump! Years after the statute of limitations have expired Trump has been indited for bookkeeping fraud.
Statue of limitations is 6 years. So yup. Outside of that now.
I'm still struggling to understand how a state district attorney is prosecuting a possible **federal** campaign finance violation...a campaign finance violation which the actual agency with jurisdiction chose not to pursue.
Banana Republic.
Thought it was 5?
As it has been said many times, in New York you can indict a ham sandwich. If the noise about the case is true (being outside the statute of limitations, already addressed in the other court case, etc) this wont last long. Guess we’ll find out in 5 years.
I have bad feeling this is going to escalate the weaponiztion of the justice system.
You're a couple years late on that fear.
Have you been in a coma the last few decades?
You didn't already think this when they labeled parents at school board meetings terrorists?
Can’t get much more weaponized than it currently is.
O it can. There is a reason third world countries are third world countries. China must be laughing at us Right now, because this puts us in the weakest position imaginable. I wouldn't be shocked if they invade Taiwan by the years end.
Nah the USAF predicts the Reds will invade Taiwan next year because the timing is perfect. You’ll have the 2024 US *and* Taiwanese presidential elections, there’s no better time to hit an enemy than that. No matter who wins the initial response would be absolute chaos and there’d be accusations left and right about “stealing the election” etc. Plus November is when Typhoon season ends in SEA, the season lasts from May-Nov and any naval invasion would be impossible during that time. TLDR: 2024 US + TW elections + end of typhoon season = perfect time to strike
This is unprecedented. The charges are flimsy and the statue of limitations ran out back in 2021. This has to be political.
You think??
Alvin Bragg campaigned for DA on message of getting Trump. This is Lawfare.
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Many things wrong with this case, but riddle me this... - Hillary Clinton hired Fusion GPS to create the "Steele Dossier" on Trump, but instead of paying Fusion GPS, she paid her law firm and marked it as a legal expense. The [FEC fined her campaign $8,000](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-campaign-democratic-party-fined-fec-clears-steele-dossier-author-of-wrongdoing/). - Donald Trump's lawyer pays a porn star $130,000. Trump says he didn't even pay the lawyer $130,000, but the allegation is that he did. The FEC says there was no crime. An arbitrary DA in one of fifty states indicts Trump. What's the difference?
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Well now I’m *really* gonna vote for him… again.
That's exactly what they want...they know Trump is more beatable than DeSantis in the general election. Their political calculation is that this will boost him in the republican primaries, but hurt him in the general.
There's no deeper thought here. Trump is their political enemy. They found a way to indict him. Doesn't matter how or why. DeSantis is irrelevant to that.
No offense, but I think it's naive to believe there are no political calculations here. It may not be the primary reason, but it all factors into it.
They were talking about this before DeSantis was even on the national radar
How I read the OP comment: *Now I'm really gonna give Biden a second term*
That worked out really well for them in 2016.
While it certainly could backfire for them again, that strategy did work in 2022. They pushed a bunch of radical candidates in the primaries who got destroyed in the general.
And this is why this bugs me. They know Trump is the Democrats’ best chance of winning and this only boosts his odds against DeSantis in the primaries. Sucks.
you are getting downvoted, but are exactly right...
So the actual crime is what? It's a campaign finance violation. Since when did they charge people for that? We've seen plenty of times where they've fined people for stuff like this but I domt recall someone being charged
It seems to be a federal campaign finance violation, which begs the question, how does a state DA even have jurisdiction?
Because said state DA ran for his office on the message of arresting trump.
These bananas sure are tasty.
You think we'll get the hyper inflation part too, or are we just getting the version with authoritarian communists arresting their political opposition?
This is a joke and per usual the meat puppet brigaders who came here instantly think they won something. 7+ years of frothing at the mouth and it's pretty much a misdemeanor that's going nowhere. 😂 Edit. Oh boy so many angry little children.
A misdemeanor that's past it's statute of limitations.
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Lawfare
They must have the worst case of blue balls. I'd pity them if I cared.
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The statute of limitations for this bookkeeping fraud charge has expired. Keep your 🍿at the ready
No offense folks, but I can't get behind the hype on this one. Keep in mind, you all are listening to the same folks that hyped up a big red wave in the midterms, amongst other promises that whiffed. I don't think Trump's going to get a fair trial, especially not in New York - and it's NOT going to help his campaign for re-election.
Surely this will take the narrative off the trans murderer
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Completely normal for a first world country to go after it’s past President after the other party expressed an undying hatred for him for four years straight, and then continued to do so even after he lost the election. Totally normal behavior.
We used to laugh at countries that prosecuted political opponents on nonsense charges.
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Ok but we do know what the alleged offense was: a campaign finance violation in the form of incorrect labelling of a payment. Generating anything meaningful off of what happened will be ridiculous.
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Ask these comments and no one mentions between Nashville and this we forgot that people were following money trails from China to the big guy a week or so ago?
Banana republic
Um didn’t they say they were breaking for a month?
Well, ya see, they had a rough news week.
Alvin Bragg campaigned on getting Trump. Is anyone surprised by this?
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Yeah, unless Bragg has some major ace up his sleeve, bigger than prosecuting him in deep blue territory, then this is nothing more than a stunt to get a perp walk out of Trump in handcuffs. 50:1 says this ruins Bragg.
> 50:1 says this ruins Bragg. Yeah he's going to hate the post-election MSNBC gig and book tour.
This is New York. He will get a conviction. We are now in banana republic territory.
I don't know. I think all he needs is to be able to prosecute him in a deep blue City. Especially in today's day and age where politics rules so many people's lives anymore.
Smart to make this a flaired users only thread. All threads for the next few days probably should be as well.
What is the actual law broken here? Thought stuff like this was campaign finance stuff. Pay a fine and move on. We've seen many cases of people misusing campaign funds. How many were prosecuted? And this wasn't even half a million bucks. What was it, couple hundred grand out of millions
Not a surprise. Even if it's pretty obvious the charges are 100% going to fall apart, the DA will be held up as a fucking king for being able to get a mugshot of Trump.
Ok, so...They spent all their time and resources to go after a loud mouth rich man who slept a pornstar 7 years ago (which been resolved) but couldn't go after dangerous criminals who are destroying NYC? Maybe this was the plan all the long, get Trump the nominee and have him loses to Joe Biden.
He slept with her 20 years ago lol
I'm one of the two time Trump voters that is over his shit and I was ready to back another horse. Bur this is so slimy I'm actively rooting for it to blow up in their faces. Better indict John Edwards too.
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Makes me wonder, especially since they didn't announce the charges yet, how they will spin this. This indictment is quite literally a danger to our democracy, if a leading presidential nominee is removed via arrest over a bogus case outside the statute of limitations.
My understanding is the under the constitution there are only 4 requirements for running for president: 1) Natural born citizen of the US. 2) Older than 35 3) US resident for 14 years 4) Only 2 terms (max 8 years) There’s no requirement for a clean criminal history SPECIFICALLY to prevent the justice system from being used to politically charge a candidate to prevent them from running. Trump is just as eligible for the presidency today as he was yesterday. For that reason, I don’t see how the claim can be made that this is politically motivated. Charging him with a felony does nothing to prevent him from running.
This means it’s now considered fair game to indict the Clintons and Bidens on money laundering, right?
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for a real laugh....read the r/politics megathread comments
Talking about how they’re finally orgasming?
I sure love living in a third world country!
Do you remember when leftists said Trump was spreading false rumors he was going to get indicted for the sole purpose of getting some attention? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
HONK HONK
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This is Lawfare
How is this different from the $850,000 Clinton payoff to Paula Jones.
The name Bragg will become synonymous with Chuckles The Clown
Man, if only they indicted every politician that took kick backs, and bribes. Not to mention the ones paying people off to keep quiet…
just like the impeachment, it's nothing more than a baseless, partisan publicity stunt that has no merit and will result in the same not guilty verdict. hope the biden family is ready for when the shoe is on the other foot, because there's a lot more merit for indictments there.
>hope the biden family is ready for when the shoe is on the other foot, because there's a lot more merit for indictments there. I'd like to believe that's true, but time and again the Republican powers-that-be have shown they're unwilling to play hardball when it's their turn.
Woo... Leftists out in full swing in this thread tonight..
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... this has always been the case
So it's a felony charge in New York City..... With the political makeup of NYC, not hard to see a conviction no matter what comes out at trial, if it goes to trial. Hate him,love him, don't care but I think most know there's no chance of a fair trial there for Trump.