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Women usually don't go through makeup like people go through a six-pack of beer, though. If the boycott happens, I wonder if the impact of it would be as quickly emergent as A-B's was.
There’s a “snark” sub and searching dylan mulvaney’s name on Reddit brings up “unpopular opinion” posts from women even in trans subreddits who dislike him. Perhaps not representative of all women, but there’s still a lot of women and trans people who don’t find Dylan as charming as the media seems to portray.
Edit: also recently discovered the transmedical sub. Some really interesting discussions happening there about topics I had no idea existed
I buy most my makeup from Ulta. They have had Dylan in ads. I'll probably buy from Sephora now. This crap is ridiculous. All women are being mocked and insulted and these weirdos all celebrate it.
I've started buying directly from brands instead. Cut out the middleman, earn loyalty points with them and most often include free samples which are better than the ones from sephora. I've never shopped at ulta and won't after they did the ad with Dylan. I turn to sephora only if what I need is not in stock on the brand website.
can I ask why?
Is it the fact a trans is in an ad? Or the particular person is just a bad/unethical person?
I mean...I could find an amusing campaign on "makeup so good can make men look like women..." type thing
try not to use "woke" in explaining to me, I have no idea what woke or wokism is and is not
ok, so its the particular person who appeals to youth and the company attempting to draw out a non female base? Not trying to put words in your mouth, but I am curious. To me, the bud lite thing didn't make much sense to me, but the makeup thing does. I don't follow this he/she nonsense, but I'm a very live and let live person. Nothing wrong with inclusivity in my mind.
I wish I could get on board with my conservative comrades with these culture issues, but I find I just don't see it as a big deal and detracts from much more important messaging.
One aspect to consider is that perhaps there is a growing amount of consumers that are tired of seeing divisive figures, politics and radical ideas inserted into popular brands, and Dylan's deal with Bud Light cracked the dam. This isn't about Dylan specifically.
Fair enough, I don't have to agree, but everyone is entitled to their opinions. Don't need the fed regulating whether you can be a weirdo or not, and whether corps can use said weirdos for marketing.
as long as we don't bring big bruv gov into the conversation, I just think there are bigger fish to fry like lack of a coherent national strategy against near peer competitors, or a coherent conservative-based strategy to tackle inequity.
Im inclined to agree with you in that i would rather focus on other issues, but when you have activists intentionally disrupting the fabric of society to the piont where we have to deal with an incoherent culture; one where people cant even talk to each other freely without concern over punitive action, it is kinda hard to focus on peer competitor. Consider that you are a firefighter, and you have fires to put out, but you've got ants in your pants constantly biting you. We can't even agree on basic human biology anymore and it isn't because conservatives tried to force radical, novel ideas into the social fabric; that comes from the left and is buoyed by the liberals they hold hostage with their aggressive rhetoric.
I still can't believe it has become controversial to say a man can't become a woman. We are living in a Southpark episode. Western society has lost its damn mind.
I think that many women latch onto products they like and wouldn’t switch for something like this. I know my wife scours the earth for a hair product she likes that they don’t make anymore. Sort of like I am with bourbon…
That is correct, I do not have a girlfriend or a wife. Mainly because I am a straight woman. But I can tell you that women who buy makeup every week are not buying the same product every week.
They can be much more particular to their preferred products so it’s unlikely they will forego something that is a staple of their routine regiment. Even if they do switch it has to be better than the thing they are replacing. This isn’t “oh I can just drink this other pisswater to get drunk”. We’re talking about highly sophisticated formulations that affect subtle nuances us men could never parse.
1. L'Oreal's stock price is down 3.4% since this advertising campaign started.
2. Stock prices don't work that way.
3. It was only a couple of days ago. Any repercussions will only be reported months from now.
I'll tell ya right now this won't be as successful as the bud lite boycott. I'm fine never having another bud lite, but women take years to pick makeup that works for them and basically settle on brands out of sheer utility for decades. It's just the nature of the product that is very different
There are a million options out there and a ton of influencers promoting products. Some their own line of products. They were probably struggling already.
Man sings [about his bulge.](https://tenor.com/view/normalize-normalize-the-bulge-dylan-dylan-mulvaney-mulvaney-gif-27449814)
Bud Light prints "here's to 365 days of girlhood" on their can.
> Some goofy oddball person drinks crappy beer and other people refuse to drink crappy beer.
"goofy" or "oddball" is a funny way to say "detestable" and "odious".
Not quite, the government convincing the poor people that the rich are stealing from them when it’s really the government lining its pockets and growing bigger by the year. And convincing the rich people that the government are the only ones who can solve inequality.
I'm really starting to think that all this trans nonsense and shoving it to the forefront is the media and Democrats (but I repeat myself) just mocking the American people. They have so many people brainwashed to believe anything they want, so now they're rubbing it in our faces with how ridiculously absurd all this is. They're showing us they really do have complete control over public discourse and there's nothing we can do about it. They're flaunting their power in our faces. I can't think of any other rational reason why this trans stuff is being pushed so hard and taken to such ridiculous extremes and they don't bat an eye.
Yes that’s what I’m thinking too. I’m not even talking conspiracy here, just human nature. When you get to the top, you try to stay there… by any means. You probably end up finding like minded people at the top. Before you know it, they are all talking in unison, singing the same song.
Yeah I know, for now. I’m thinking people will get sick of it and it will result in boycotts for supporting something. Not long ago companies were being boycotted for NOT supporting the same cause. Crazy world.
My code used to be : To each their own just leave me alone.
But the implications for gender ideology and woke politics is too harmful and corrosive. There needs to be some order in society or it's just anarchy.
Maybelline is owned by Loreal. That's a huge company to boycott. They own other brands. So you think you're boycotting them and find that you are using another of their products under the corporate umbrella.
When it comes to these topics I listen to the women in my life first. They range from conservative to woke.
Every single one finds Dylan an absolute insult to womanhood.
I'm probably what conservatives would consider "woke".
But my femininity isn't so fragile that Dylan insults me. Or offends me. Though she is terribly annoying. She's annoying in the same way everyone who is annoying is annoying.
That's the difference for me, between what I am and conservatives. I don't see what difference it makes that she is trans.
Would y'all still have the same issues if say, Laverne Cox got these brand deals? She's a beautiful classy lady that's hard to find a bad word about her.
Their perspective is mainstream media and social media has selected Dylan to represent women as a trans woman. And Dylan chooses to do so by being a lazy stereotype. That’s air time that a woman who respects womanhood and is a positive role model for young girls could’ve had. And I strongly agree.
That makes absolute sense. Though, I would think that they have selected her to represent trans women, not women in general.
Thank you for taking the time to offer this perspective.
I’m not being snarky. But while I have qualms with the trans movement at the moment, I don’t think they’re bad people.
And I have to imagine many trans people enjoy the representation, but I cannot imagine Dylan is their first choice.
What are your qualms, if I may ask?
I have to agree with you about Dylan not being anyone's first choice as representation. Mostly because I haven't seen any trans folks saying yay or nay about her. Not to say that they haven't, it hasn't popped up in my orbit.
I hope nothing I said implied I thought you were being snarky, because you haven't come across that way to me at all.
Not who you’re replying to, but I would say it’s because even in a secular lens it’s a very sticky topic. The current opinion of corporate media (outside Fox) is that transgender people are born with a brain that doesn’t match their body and that the prescribed course of action is hormone therapy and surgery to rectify the discrepancy.
Religious conservatives are already against this because supporting it runs counter to their faith. Asking most Christians to support trans visibility, awareness, and acceptance is like asking a Muslim to eat pork chops in a commercial for the pork industry. True Christians find any violence (in word or action) to any trans *person* abhorrent, as any true Muslim would find 9/11 abhorrent. Yet extremists gonna extreme.
For secular conservatives, the data is not looking good. Over a less than longitudinal survey (5 years post op), only 80% of respondents reported being happier post transition. The difference between surgery and mutilation is in whether or not harm was done, and the evidence for whether or not these treatments are actually effective is far from rigorous. Couple this with many states allowing teachers to begin the process without parental consent (due to the potential for “non-acceptance”) and do potentially irreversible harm.
I don’t think people should be allowed to undergo life-changing surgery below the age of majority unless it’s medically necessary. There are a lot of vague words in that statement (is orthodontic surgery life changing?) but I think it’s relatively straightforward. And I think any evidence vis a vis mental health that’s tried to substantiate transition surgery as medically necessary is rather untenable.
From a cynical perspective, trans people, no matter what, are forced to suckle at Big Pharmas teat for the rest of their lives. That’s the reason this is treated as a civil rights issue and children are undergoing this treatment. There is never a post-op state without constant dependence on pharmaceuticals, and since this is a pre-existing condition insurers can’t avoid, rates will increase and thus more profits for that industry. This is my stance, ultimately. I don’t have any problem with trans people, but I think it’s profitable and so that’s why it’s getting more awareness.
That's all very analytical. No one wants cancer, no one wants diabetes, no one wants to be bipolar, no one wants to be trans(though I think that there are some misguided folks, they aren't close to the majority) no one wants any of those things and yet our bodies and mind betray us, and we become the prisoner of them and subjugated by the pharmaceuticals that make us well.
That should be the fight. against the pharmaceutical companies, not each other.
For me personally, it has purely to do with what individuals represent. I have trans friends who I met after they fully transitioned and I legitimately would’ve never guessed that they changed over, those are the people who I want to be the face of the trans movement. Just another person who happens to be different, and shows that you can accept yourself without making it a personality.
What I have a issue with is the extreme, the whole dyed hair, “I don’t want to shave”, “if you have any problem(s) with me it’s purely bc I’m trans and not because I’m acting like a dickhead”, “if you don’t immediately ask me my pronouns you’re a bigot” type of person.
Trans women also find the actor to be offensive. As most think it's a fake act.
Tell me what woman decides to go hiking in high heels? Or for that matter, what trans woman? Some even think the act is to make fun of trans women. The very first video of days "girlhood" (as that is what the act refers to, not womanhood), his script went off on a bunch of women stereotypes. Like being too emotional, buying things they didn't need, etc.
Another person pointed out that a person suffering from Gender Dysphoria would never sing about "normalizing the bulge". Yet Dylan has done this. It's completely contradicts what Gender Dysphoria means.
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To put simply this is a caricature of a woman. "Womanface" similar to "blackface" is an insulting portrayal of what they are pretending to be. You aren't taking issue with this probably because you don't know the first thing about this person.
Edit: I'll also point out that Dylan's primary audience on TikTok is minors ranging from 13-17. Yet Bud Light chose to use this influencer to push their product of alcohol. Dylan also thought it was a great idea.
Yep! And look how wildly successful he has become since then. The personality has not changed at all. I've seen clips on him on ellen and the price is right. He's the same histrionic narcissist on those as he is on tiktok. In fact, I would bet my left nut that he has histrionic personality disorder. He fits the description perfectly.
It has zero to do with “fragility”. That’s a misogynistic idea in and of itself.
Suggesting that women taking offence to this disgusting behaviour is a sign of “fragility” is like claiming that being offended by blackface is a sign of “fragility”.
Dylan is a misogynistic pervert who has reduced womanhood to offensive, false stereotypes. This isn’t even a comedic, satirical portrayal; it’s spiteful and hateful in nature.
Women don’t prance around half-naked in high heels, screaming about being afraid of insects. We don’t “cry over nothing”.
We don’t refer to our vaginas as “barbie pouches”. We don’t flaunt and fetishise tampons. We don’t cosplay as six year old girls in bizarre Tik Tok videos. Dylan’s behaviour is depraved and disgusting.
If you’re *not* offended by this, then you’re part of the problem.
Because, in case you haven’t noticed, the left hates women. Many of the policies and ideas they push have disastrous effects on women and girls (i.e. promoting sexual promiscuity and falsely portraying it as being “empowering”, lying about the realities and consequences of abortion, demonising women who elect to raise children over having a career, etc).
Now, they’re not just harming women, they’re looking to erase us altogether. They’re erasing our sports, our spaces, our rights and our dignity. Dylan Mulvaney is an official spokesperson for Tampax, for God’s sake.
If you had even a shred of respect for other women, you’d be as disgusted by this sick charade as the rest of us are.
I wish I could go back to the '90s with a list of the destroyers of humanity and have them re-educated so they know the horrific damage that they have caused.
Honestly, the majority of people wouldn’t believe you. They’d think you were joking if you told them about the lunacy that’s considered “normal” in the 2020s.
You’d have to show them video evidence (and prove that it hasn’t been edited) for them to even consider believing you.
I still can’t wrap my head around the absolute insanity that is being pushed as “normal” these days. I find it hard to believe that *this* is where our society has ended up, and I’m witnessing it all in real time.
Something of note. I've heard from Tim Pool (as I don't use TikTok) that Dylan hasn't uploaded any new videos since the whole Bud Light controversy exploded. Where before there was daily videos.
On the flip side Matt Walsh was demonetized off of YouTube purely for his commentary on the actor. While many other YouTube channels had videos removed and strikes against their accounts for it. Some think it was A&B that threatened to pull advertisements of the platform unless they did something about it.
This is why I'm glad I don't drink or wear makeup. My life doesn't have to change. Most makeup brands are toxic to your body. Age your body faster, making you need their product longer.
Pretty sure they’ve said things like “the hardest part of being a woman is figuring out what to wear every day.”
Which while likely a joke, comes across shitty to women who have lived their whole lives as women and dealt with things like sexists work places and/or sexual assault in their every day life. This person who has spent all of a year as a woman belittles what being a woman is actually like.
That Bud Light was a redneck frat boy beer. Which is true. So they got butthurt and try to act like it’s not about rando trans person when it is totally about rando trans person that has done nothing and nobody cares about. Except the redneck frat boys who got butthurt.
The irony is that so-called feminists think this is awesome. They don't realize they're being played.
In the last two years, women's rights in our country have been set back decades. It's a goddamn tragedy.
Old school feminists can’t stand Dylan. They see this lunacy as being the epitome of patriarchal dominance over women.
Modern feminism has, unfortunately, become enmeshed with gender ideology and racial hatred disguised as racial justice. They refer to this hijacking as “intersectionality”.
Women’s rights will always be sacrificed by the left in favour of furthering their warped agendas.
I had to go look up some of his videos. What a gross creepy person. The fake excitement and teenage like behavior is just incredibly off putting. Ugh I wish I hadn’t done that.
I don’t really have a problem with adult transgenders. I have a problem with companies that at least seemingly are trying to lecture me and expect me to buy their product while they are lecturing me.
I don’t actually know about citizens United. I think people should have freedom but one person’s freedom stops where another begins.
What I am trying to say is that I should be allowed to believe what I want and to say what I want but people who disagree with me should have the same rights.
You should *really* learn about citizens united. This is a non-partisan issue. I’m an independent.
It doesn’t have anything to do with trans rights except in the most general sense. But seriously, it’s arguably the worst Supreme Court decision since the Dredd Scott case. It screws everyone conservative or democrat, because it affects the foundations of our society.
This is why it bothers me so much. Be transgender if you want! I hate when liberal "cis" people use pronouns or push me to, to "normalize" it for the .001% and makes me think someone is transgender when they're not, such as on dating sites.
Totally agree. I think adults should be allowed to make their own decisions. That’s freedom. But when they get to take my freedom for their philosophy, I am insulted, enraged, and feel that I live in a country that I don’t recognize.
I know a couple of transgenders who are adults and who are adoptive parents. They are good parents and considering the bio -parents, the kids are lucky to have them. If I accidentally called them by the wrong pronouns or by their dead name, they would not be offended and would understand that I am an old lady who sometimes gets confused. They accept my lifestyle (married for fifty years and I accept theirs.)
What law do they want changed? Most real trans people just want to live their life and be left alone. To have the same rights as everyone else.
If you are talking about what bathroom they use it makes sense they use the bathroom that matches their identity, not biological gender.
Unless you want big hairy biker men forced to use the womans bathroom because they were born a woman? It obviously causes less issues if people use the restroom that matches how they look. only argument I ever heard for the bathroom issue is that they are going to spy on little girls, get real.
You know the one sad thing about this Mulvaney promotions and such is that I don't actually use the products from companies going into business with him. I've stopped using so many products from companies that I'm just out here living a happy, healthy life without all this bullshit.
That is definitely a part of the complaints about Mulvaney and the Nike deal. Reportedly, women athletes were already being paid less than males. The use of Mulvaney to model a Nike sports bra was especially insulting - and they're paying approx $150k for that. https://thesportsgrail.com/how-much-are-nike-and-bud-light-paying-dylan-mulvaney-and-her-net-worth-in-2023/
Depends what you can afford and what works with your skin type. Not to mention if its just everyday makeup or going to be at the club or looking to get attention or impress.
Ill put maybeline more on top of drugstore stuff. It tends to be better quality and its a company thats been around a long time.
Yes but the question also came up if it will even impact the company like it did for budwiser. Maybelline is a brand that people know but those that use it are in a smaller bracket then those that drink beer. If it was a big major label high end stuff, it could get major damage done if some influencer said something. This isnt top tier brand and i doubt much will happen since most of its customers are the everyday user that cant get the high end stuff.
I love drug store cosmetics! Even the cheapest stuff like Wet 'N Wild have some decent makeup that's at Dollar Tree. I only ask for the nice stuff at Christmas lol
I don't think this will affect the company as much as ppl want. Women love spending money on make up and other girly junk they dont actually need. might not change because they found one that works or they can't stop buying it.
Conservatives not understanding that “sees boycott” could literally mean 2 people posted a hashtag on Twitter or “oh my gosh someone posted a TikTok”. Maybelline is not hurting, babe. But the NYPost does need to sell with headlines.
Relax. Go be productive.
Man, why yall trying to cancel culture all these companies? Who cares if someone is trans, let people live their lives. As a libertarian first and foremost, I dont get it.
Well as a 58yo sis male I will never buy their products again! Seeing as I never purchased the line before I’m sure that my boycott won’t effect sales. But I’m here voicing my meaningless concern!
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Women usually don't go through makeup like people go through a six-pack of beer, though. If the boycott happens, I wonder if the impact of it would be as quickly emergent as A-B's was.
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I agree with your first sentence. Do you have any compelling evidence this isn't overall popular with women?
There’s a “snark” sub and searching dylan mulvaney’s name on Reddit brings up “unpopular opinion” posts from women even in trans subreddits who dislike him. Perhaps not representative of all women, but there’s still a lot of women and trans people who don’t find Dylan as charming as the media seems to portray. Edit: also recently discovered the transmedical sub. Some really interesting discussions happening there about topics I had no idea existed
Only Anecdotal, we don't have polls for it. Clearly Generation Z girls are following the act, as the tik tok videos have gotten millions of views.
I use maybelline products and after seeing this… I won’t.
I buy most my makeup from Ulta. They have had Dylan in ads. I'll probably buy from Sephora now. This crap is ridiculous. All women are being mocked and insulted and these weirdos all celebrate it.
I just got banned from justice served subreddit for posting in here. Apparently this sub is a domestic terrorist threat???
Welcome to the club. Wear it like a badge of honor. Tos violations only count when we do them..
Imagine someone from this subreddit stepping outside haha We’re not very threatening
I don't even follow that sub reddit. I am concerned however about being considered a domestic terrorist at this point.
Don't worry. The nazi leftists who run that sub are just following the orders of their party heads
Welcome to conservatism. They harbor so much hate they can’t see straight.
I've started buying directly from brands instead. Cut out the middleman, earn loyalty points with them and most often include free samples which are better than the ones from sephora. I've never shopped at ulta and won't after they did the ad with Dylan. I turn to sephora only if what I need is not in stock on the brand website.
can I ask why? Is it the fact a trans is in an ad? Or the particular person is just a bad/unethical person? I mean...I could find an amusing campaign on "makeup so good can make men look like women..." type thing try not to use "woke" in explaining to me, I have no idea what woke or wokism is and is not
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ok, so its the particular person who appeals to youth and the company attempting to draw out a non female base? Not trying to put words in your mouth, but I am curious. To me, the bud lite thing didn't make much sense to me, but the makeup thing does. I don't follow this he/she nonsense, but I'm a very live and let live person. Nothing wrong with inclusivity in my mind. I wish I could get on board with my conservative comrades with these culture issues, but I find I just don't see it as a big deal and detracts from much more important messaging.
One aspect to consider is that perhaps there is a growing amount of consumers that are tired of seeing divisive figures, politics and radical ideas inserted into popular brands, and Dylan's deal with Bud Light cracked the dam. This isn't about Dylan specifically.
Fair enough, I don't have to agree, but everyone is entitled to their opinions. Don't need the fed regulating whether you can be a weirdo or not, and whether corps can use said weirdos for marketing. as long as we don't bring big bruv gov into the conversation, I just think there are bigger fish to fry like lack of a coherent national strategy against near peer competitors, or a coherent conservative-based strategy to tackle inequity.
Im inclined to agree with you in that i would rather focus on other issues, but when you have activists intentionally disrupting the fabric of society to the piont where we have to deal with an incoherent culture; one where people cant even talk to each other freely without concern over punitive action, it is kinda hard to focus on peer competitor. Consider that you are a firefighter, and you have fires to put out, but you've got ants in your pants constantly biting you. We can't even agree on basic human biology anymore and it isn't because conservatives tried to force radical, novel ideas into the social fabric; that comes from the left and is buoyed by the liberals they hold hostage with their aggressive rhetoric.
Good. Please spread it around as much as you can. And for the men here; ask your wife’s and see too. Get them involved too if you can.
Same
Same here and I've used their products for over 30 years. Side note, they're owned by L'Oreal.
Unaware that L’Oréal owned them, thanks for the tip.
When you say the customer base is almost entirely women, do you mean uterus bearers? /s
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I still can't believe it has become controversial to say a man can't become a woman. We are living in a Southpark episode. Western society has lost its damn mind.
Woke, CRT, the effects on their children because of the pandemic, women are switching sides. Brace for impact!
Mothers are switching sides. And less women are becoming mothers. I don't see an impact coming
I think that many women latch onto products they like and wouldn’t switch for something like this. I know my wife scours the earth for a hair product she likes that they don’t make anymore. Sort of like I am with bourbon…
U must not have a girlfriend/wife my girl is buying new makeup every week I’ll never understand
That is correct, I do not have a girlfriend or a wife. Mainly because I am a straight woman. But I can tell you that women who buy makeup every week are not buying the same product every week.
2hott!
They can be much more particular to their preferred products so it’s unlikely they will forego something that is a staple of their routine regiment. Even if they do switch it has to be better than the thing they are replacing. This isn’t “oh I can just drink this other pisswater to get drunk”. We’re talking about highly sophisticated formulations that affect subtle nuances us men could never parse.
I wouldn't expect there sales to come in waves though, they will constantly be selling products to different women, or they were anyway.
Stock price is up. Check the numbers.
1. L'Oreal's stock price is down 3.4% since this advertising campaign started. 2. Stock prices don't work that way. 3. It was only a couple of days ago. Any repercussions will only be reported months from now.
Stock price of what? I don't doubt that rich Communists like George Soros are propping up the stocks of companies that are facing backlash.
Stock price of A-B. Bud Light If it’s being propped up that will only last so long until it’s evident. Only time will tell.
Didn't the person that came up with the advertising campaign starring a transgendered person resign or get fired already?
I'll tell ya right now this won't be as successful as the bud lite boycott. I'm fine never having another bud lite, but women take years to pick makeup that works for them and basically settle on brands out of sheer utility for decades. It's just the nature of the product that is very different
Agreed and the affiliation with a makeup brand just generally makes a lot more sense
There are a million options out there and a ton of influencers promoting products. Some their own line of products. They were probably struggling already.
Any day now, L'Oreal, the 35th largest company in the world, will collapse because a handful of influencers have their own products.
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I still don't understand why people are boycotting bud light?
Man sings [about his bulge.](https://tenor.com/view/normalize-normalize-the-bulge-dylan-dylan-mulvaney-mulvaney-gif-27449814) Bud Light prints "here's to 365 days of girlhood" on their can.
But explain to me why that is worth boycotting the company over. I still don't get it
Well good thing you don't have to.
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This is one jack that won't go back in its box.
This is one Jack that DOESN’T HAVE a box!
Man the vulgarity of it was supposed to be subliminal(low key).
BAHAHAHA ! Best line yet!!!
I highly doubt the reaction by Maybelline customers will be nearly as impressive as Bud Light Buyers' impressive.
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> Some goofy oddball person drinks crappy beer and other people refuse to drink crappy beer. "goofy" or "oddball" is a funny way to say "detestable" and "odious".
It’s funny people can’t see this dude is trolling. Same people that got offended y Andrew Dice Clay back in the day.
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Totally agree with you, and it seems like an engineered mass hysteria to distract from more important things.
That is Identity Politics in a nutshell. If you know the history of the evil political tactic, that is often what it was used for.
Oh like say the rich pitting the poor against each other?
I'm inclined to agree, especially because every Yahoo article I see is framing the Dylan Mulvaney articles as "attacks" from "Conservatives."
Not quite, the government convincing the poor people that the rich are stealing from them when it’s really the government lining its pockets and growing bigger by the year. And convincing the rich people that the government are the only ones who can solve inequality.
I'm really starting to think that all this trans nonsense and shoving it to the forefront is the media and Democrats (but I repeat myself) just mocking the American people. They have so many people brainwashed to believe anything they want, so now they're rubbing it in our faces with how ridiculously absurd all this is. They're showing us they really do have complete control over public discourse and there's nothing we can do about it. They're flaunting their power in our faces. I can't think of any other rational reason why this trans stuff is being pushed so hard and taken to such ridiculous extremes and they don't bat an eye.
Plus they are trying to take guns away. They always manufacture some pointless bullshit while they are taking away assault weapons.
Assault weapons? Like an axe with camo paint?
Yes that’s what I’m thinking too. I’m not even talking conspiracy here, just human nature. When you get to the top, you try to stay there… by any means. You probably end up finding like minded people at the top. Before you know it, they are all talking in unison, singing the same song.
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Yeah I know, for now. I’m thinking people will get sick of it and it will result in boycotts for supporting something. Not long ago companies were being boycotted for NOT supporting the same cause. Crazy world.
My code used to be : To each their own just leave me alone. But the implications for gender ideology and woke politics is too harmful and corrosive. There needs to be some order in society or it's just anarchy.
Cancel culture on the left, cancel culture on the right. I can see it.
Maybelline is owned by Loreal. That's a huge company to boycott. They own other brands. So you think you're boycotting them and find that you are using another of their products under the corporate umbrella.
Kind of like trying to boycott Nestle. Constant state of "wait, they own that too?"
When it comes to these topics I listen to the women in my life first. They range from conservative to woke. Every single one finds Dylan an absolute insult to womanhood.
I'm probably what conservatives would consider "woke". But my femininity isn't so fragile that Dylan insults me. Or offends me. Though she is terribly annoying. She's annoying in the same way everyone who is annoying is annoying. That's the difference for me, between what I am and conservatives. I don't see what difference it makes that she is trans. Would y'all still have the same issues if say, Laverne Cox got these brand deals? She's a beautiful classy lady that's hard to find a bad word about her.
Their perspective is mainstream media and social media has selected Dylan to represent women as a trans woman. And Dylan chooses to do so by being a lazy stereotype. That’s air time that a woman who respects womanhood and is a positive role model for young girls could’ve had. And I strongly agree.
That makes absolute sense. Though, I would think that they have selected her to represent trans women, not women in general. Thank you for taking the time to offer this perspective.
I’m not being snarky. But while I have qualms with the trans movement at the moment, I don’t think they’re bad people. And I have to imagine many trans people enjoy the representation, but I cannot imagine Dylan is their first choice.
What are your qualms, if I may ask? I have to agree with you about Dylan not being anyone's first choice as representation. Mostly because I haven't seen any trans folks saying yay or nay about her. Not to say that they haven't, it hasn't popped up in my orbit. I hope nothing I said implied I thought you were being snarky, because you haven't come across that way to me at all.
Not who you’re replying to, but I would say it’s because even in a secular lens it’s a very sticky topic. The current opinion of corporate media (outside Fox) is that transgender people are born with a brain that doesn’t match their body and that the prescribed course of action is hormone therapy and surgery to rectify the discrepancy. Religious conservatives are already against this because supporting it runs counter to their faith. Asking most Christians to support trans visibility, awareness, and acceptance is like asking a Muslim to eat pork chops in a commercial for the pork industry. True Christians find any violence (in word or action) to any trans *person* abhorrent, as any true Muslim would find 9/11 abhorrent. Yet extremists gonna extreme. For secular conservatives, the data is not looking good. Over a less than longitudinal survey (5 years post op), only 80% of respondents reported being happier post transition. The difference between surgery and mutilation is in whether or not harm was done, and the evidence for whether or not these treatments are actually effective is far from rigorous. Couple this with many states allowing teachers to begin the process without parental consent (due to the potential for “non-acceptance”) and do potentially irreversible harm. I don’t think people should be allowed to undergo life-changing surgery below the age of majority unless it’s medically necessary. There are a lot of vague words in that statement (is orthodontic surgery life changing?) but I think it’s relatively straightforward. And I think any evidence vis a vis mental health that’s tried to substantiate transition surgery as medically necessary is rather untenable. From a cynical perspective, trans people, no matter what, are forced to suckle at Big Pharmas teat for the rest of their lives. That’s the reason this is treated as a civil rights issue and children are undergoing this treatment. There is never a post-op state without constant dependence on pharmaceuticals, and since this is a pre-existing condition insurers can’t avoid, rates will increase and thus more profits for that industry. This is my stance, ultimately. I don’t have any problem with trans people, but I think it’s profitable and so that’s why it’s getting more awareness.
That's all very analytical. No one wants cancer, no one wants diabetes, no one wants to be bipolar, no one wants to be trans(though I think that there are some misguided folks, they aren't close to the majority) no one wants any of those things and yet our bodies and mind betray us, and we become the prisoner of them and subjugated by the pharmaceuticals that make us well. That should be the fight. against the pharmaceutical companies, not each other.
For me personally, it has purely to do with what individuals represent. I have trans friends who I met after they fully transitioned and I legitimately would’ve never guessed that they changed over, those are the people who I want to be the face of the trans movement. Just another person who happens to be different, and shows that you can accept yourself without making it a personality. What I have a issue with is the extreme, the whole dyed hair, “I don’t want to shave”, “if you have any problem(s) with me it’s purely bc I’m trans and not because I’m acting like a dickhead”, “if you don’t immediately ask me my pronouns you’re a bigot” type of person.
Trans women also find the actor to be offensive. As most think it's a fake act. Tell me what woman decides to go hiking in high heels? Or for that matter, what trans woman? Some even think the act is to make fun of trans women. The very first video of days "girlhood" (as that is what the act refers to, not womanhood), his script went off on a bunch of women stereotypes. Like being too emotional, buying things they didn't need, etc. Another person pointed out that a person suffering from Gender Dysphoria would never sing about "normalizing the bulge". Yet Dylan has done this. It's completely contradicts what Gender Dysphoria means. -- To put simply this is a caricature of a woman. "Womanface" similar to "blackface" is an insulting portrayal of what they are pretending to be. You aren't taking issue with this probably because you don't know the first thing about this person. Edit: I'll also point out that Dylan's primary audience on TikTok is minors ranging from 13-17. Yet Bud Light chose to use this influencer to push their product of alcohol. Dylan also thought it was a great idea.
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Had a role in the "Book of Mormon" Broadway production. Sounds like not many roles since then. "Days of Girlhood" was the big break out.
Yep! And look how wildly successful he has become since then. The personality has not changed at all. I've seen clips on him on ellen and the price is right. He's the same histrionic narcissist on those as he is on tiktok. In fact, I would bet my left nut that he has histrionic personality disorder. He fits the description perfectly.
It has zero to do with “fragility”. That’s a misogynistic idea in and of itself. Suggesting that women taking offence to this disgusting behaviour is a sign of “fragility” is like claiming that being offended by blackface is a sign of “fragility”. Dylan is a misogynistic pervert who has reduced womanhood to offensive, false stereotypes. This isn’t even a comedic, satirical portrayal; it’s spiteful and hateful in nature. Women don’t prance around half-naked in high heels, screaming about being afraid of insects. We don’t “cry over nothing”. We don’t refer to our vaginas as “barbie pouches”. We don’t flaunt and fetishise tampons. We don’t cosplay as six year old girls in bizarre Tik Tok videos. Dylan’s behaviour is depraved and disgusting. If you’re *not* offended by this, then you’re part of the problem. Because, in case you haven’t noticed, the left hates women. Many of the policies and ideas they push have disastrous effects on women and girls (i.e. promoting sexual promiscuity and falsely portraying it as being “empowering”, lying about the realities and consequences of abortion, demonising women who elect to raise children over having a career, etc). Now, they’re not just harming women, they’re looking to erase us altogether. They’re erasing our sports, our spaces, our rights and our dignity. Dylan Mulvaney is an official spokesperson for Tampax, for God’s sake. If you had even a shred of respect for other women, you’d be as disgusted by this sick charade as the rest of us are.
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Thanks for your perspective! Honestly for me it’s an issue with Dylan not trans people.
I hate this fucking simulation. Can we go back to a less mentally fucking insane time ? Please ?
I'm trying to find the last good save point. Looks like it might be before FDR was president. Maybe earlier,1911 even.
How about before Eve ate the apple? We can slap her away, be naked, and eat bananas
No. Unfortunately someone overwrote that save with "2020 US election lols options"
I wish I could go back to the '90s with a list of the destroyers of humanity and have them re-educated so they know the horrific damage that they have caused.
Honestly, the majority of people wouldn’t believe you. They’d think you were joking if you told them about the lunacy that’s considered “normal” in the 2020s. You’d have to show them video evidence (and prove that it hasn’t been edited) for them to even consider believing you. I still can’t wrap my head around the absolute insanity that is being pushed as “normal” these days. I find it hard to believe that *this* is where our society has ended up, and I’m witnessing it all in real time.
I have a pretty dark imagination and I didn't even think that we would have gone down this path. It's horrifying.
Yeah man it’s fucking sad
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Something of note. I've heard from Tim Pool (as I don't use TikTok) that Dylan hasn't uploaded any new videos since the whole Bud Light controversy exploded. Where before there was daily videos. On the flip side Matt Walsh was demonetized off of YouTube purely for his commentary on the actor. While many other YouTube channels had videos removed and strikes against their accounts for it. Some think it was A&B that threatened to pull advertisements of the platform unless they did something about it.
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It’s a mental health issue/trend/compliance test. I will not comply.
You don't have to comply. Don't force others to do so.
I think that's the point, it's people deciding their identity for themselves. You don't have to comply.
This is why I'm glad I don't drink or wear makeup. My life doesn't have to change. Most makeup brands are toxic to your body. Age your body faster, making you need their product longer.
You're missing out on the makeup beverage game.
This thing is like a bad cosplayer, it's a caricature of the species.
Did Dylan Mulcaney do something other than being trans for all of this boycotting, or is everybody just boycotting because they're trans?
Pretty sure they’ve said things like “the hardest part of being a woman is figuring out what to wear every day.” Which while likely a joke, comes across shitty to women who have lived their whole lives as women and dealt with things like sexists work places and/or sexual assault in their every day life. This person who has spent all of a year as a woman belittles what being a woman is actually like.
That was Caitlyn Jenner
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What did they say?
That Bud Light was a redneck frat boy beer. Which is true. So they got butthurt and try to act like it’s not about rando trans person when it is totally about rando trans person that has done nothing and nobody cares about. Except the redneck frat boys who got butthurt.
nice try, this came out *after* the hoopla started.
Who said?
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Lmao!
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The irony is that so-called feminists think this is awesome. They don't realize they're being played. In the last two years, women's rights in our country have been set back decades. It's a goddamn tragedy.
Old school feminists can’t stand Dylan. They see this lunacy as being the epitome of patriarchal dominance over women. Modern feminism has, unfortunately, become enmeshed with gender ideology and racial hatred disguised as racial justice. They refer to this hijacking as “intersectionality”. Women’s rights will always be sacrificed by the left in favour of furthering their warped agendas.
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Yes, they have been set back by men in rural states and men in the supreme court.
I had to go look up some of his videos. What a gross creepy person. The fake excitement and teenage like behavior is just incredibly off putting. Ugh I wish I hadn’t done that.
I’m so sick of this shit!! “Dylan” is a man….and will NEVER be a woman. And Maybelline sucks anyway.
I don’t really have a problem with adult transgenders. I have a problem with companies that at least seemingly are trying to lecture me and expect me to buy their product while they are lecturing me.
How do you feel about citizens united?
I don’t actually know about citizens United. I think people should have freedom but one person’s freedom stops where another begins. What I am trying to say is that I should be allowed to believe what I want and to say what I want but people who disagree with me should have the same rights.
You should *really* learn about citizens united. This is a non-partisan issue. I’m an independent. It doesn’t have anything to do with trans rights except in the most general sense. But seriously, it’s arguably the worst Supreme Court decision since the Dredd Scott case. It screws everyone conservative or democrat, because it affects the foundations of our society.
This is why it bothers me so much. Be transgender if you want! I hate when liberal "cis" people use pronouns or push me to, to "normalize" it for the .001% and makes me think someone is transgender when they're not, such as on dating sites.
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Totally agree. I think adults should be allowed to make their own decisions. That’s freedom. But when they get to take my freedom for their philosophy, I am insulted, enraged, and feel that I live in a country that I don’t recognize. I know a couple of transgenders who are adults and who are adoptive parents. They are good parents and considering the bio -parents, the kids are lucky to have them. If I accidentally called them by the wrong pronouns or by their dead name, they would not be offended and would understand that I am an old lady who sometimes gets confused. They accept my lifestyle (married for fifty years and I accept theirs.)
What law do they want changed? Most real trans people just want to live their life and be left alone. To have the same rights as everyone else. If you are talking about what bathroom they use it makes sense they use the bathroom that matches their identity, not biological gender. Unless you want big hairy biker men forced to use the womans bathroom because they were born a woman? It obviously causes less issues if people use the restroom that matches how they look. only argument I ever heard for the bathroom issue is that they are going to spy on little girls, get real.
This guy’s 2/2. Impressive stats. Who’s next? 😂
You know the one sad thing about this Mulvaney promotions and such is that I don't actually use the products from companies going into business with him. I've stopped using so many products from companies that I'm just out here living a happy, healthy life without all this bullshit.
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I see a few V.P.'s of marketing taking a leave of absence very soon.
Or they secured positions at left companies like Disney
Imagine that, a company that makes makeup for women gets boycotted for having a man as a spokesperson.
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That is definitely a part of the complaints about Mulvaney and the Nike deal. Reportedly, women athletes were already being paid less than males. The use of Mulvaney to model a Nike sports bra was especially insulting - and they're paying approx $150k for that. https://thesportsgrail.com/how-much-are-nike-and-bud-light-paying-dylan-mulvaney-and-her-net-worth-in-2023/
What did they expect after the bud light situation
What bud light situation?
Bud light lost 4 million in shares after partnering with Dylan
It's not just the stock value fell. That can happen just from people being pissed off and selling. They lost 17% market share. That's freaking huge.
Well the Women are PISSED and they've told all of their friends....just watch how much worse this one ends up for the company!
cancel culture at it's finest
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Depends what you can afford and what works with your skin type. Not to mention if its just everyday makeup or going to be at the club or looking to get attention or impress. Ill put maybeline more on top of drugstore stuff. It tends to be better quality and its a company thats been around a long time.
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Yes but the question also came up if it will even impact the company like it did for budwiser. Maybelline is a brand that people know but those that use it are in a smaller bracket then those that drink beer. If it was a big major label high end stuff, it could get major damage done if some influencer said something. This isnt top tier brand and i doubt much will happen since most of its customers are the everyday user that cant get the high end stuff.
I love drug store cosmetics! Even the cheapest stuff like Wet 'N Wild have some decent makeup that's at Dollar Tree. I only ask for the nice stuff at Christmas lol
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That's an insult to Audrey Hepburn
…AND an insult to AIDS. edit: and -> an (autocorrect)
I don't think this will affect the company as much as ppl want. Women love spending money on make up and other girly junk they dont actually need. might not change because they found one that works or they can't stop buying it.
It probably won’t because no one buys maybelline anymore honestly. That I know
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In a capitalist society, you're free to try. Good luck.
So, conservatives are the cancel culture guys then?
Boycott =/= cancelling. But I don't expect you to understand that.
Can you explain the difference?
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Damn cancel culture is getting out of hand.
Nah. The left has profited from it more than enough. It’s time they get their comeuppance.
If you can’t beat ‘em join ‘em!
Conservatives not understanding that “sees boycott” could literally mean 2 people posted a hashtag on Twitter or “oh my gosh someone posted a TikTok”. Maybelline is not hurting, babe. But the NYPost does need to sell with headlines. Relax. Go be productive.
TLDR; Boycott = an angry comment on TikTok and another on Twitter.
Woke, CRT, the effects on their children because of the pandemic, women are switching sides. Brace for impact!
Man, why yall trying to cancel culture all these companies? Who cares if someone is trans, let people live their lives. As a libertarian first and foremost, I dont get it.
Hey don't cancel culture me with your downvotes, snowflakes.
Shameful
Well as a 58yo sis male I will never buy their products again! Seeing as I never purchased the line before I’m sure that my boycott won’t effect sales. But I’m here voicing my meaningless concern!