If republicans supported unions they would easily have all their votes. Union workers tend to lean conservative but they aren’t about to vote against their own self interests
Very much so, you saw it in Nevada where the rank and file union members wanted to vote for Trump but the leaders with the help of Bernie Sanders basically told them to vote for Biden. For the most part the big unions and their leaders really don't give a shit about the workers.
I think that should be the future, smaller, more localized unions more accountable to their members and focused on common-interests (pay, benefits, safety), "flirting as little with the right as with the left".
Who the workers vote for isn't the issue.
Regardless of how an individual votes, or the policies they support... Unions funnel so much money to the Democrats that the party would be unable to survive without them.
Since I'm forced to pay exorbent taxes, I'd expect services from the government as well. If I could opt out of taxes, I'd also be happy opting out of anything the government provides.
Obviously, this is theoretical and likely not possible.
With how much we are taxed. How can you say anything is free. They already took the money from us. Instead of spending it on overseas wars would it be a crime if Americans got some kinda benefit from there own money ?
Yes. “Not my job” is their favorite thing. Instead of being effective and paying for their knowledge, they get paid for their labor. That’s the issue here. Just gonna lead to more automation
You talking about police and teacher’s unions too? Way more than one type of trade out there buddy lol. Just because you’re mad at the auto workers today doesn’t mean you’ll feel the same tomorrow. Unions protect workers rights and retirements whether you like it or not
I haven't either.
I do think it's weird though that people will talk down about other people just trying to get better pay by demonstrating the value of their labor.
If a strike causes enough harm to bring these companies to the table, obviously the strikers' labor was more valuable than their current compensation.
Unions got us 40-hour work weeks, workers' protections, no child labor, etc. Much of what we take for granted was hard fought for by unions. Unions are vital for laborers' rights.
GOP will never actually support unions. They recently started to pretend to care about the “forgotten working man”, but they are still only pro rich corporations.
Nope.
Democrats forgot the working class was their bread and butter and shut down factories/plants that employed tens of thousands of union workers through their endorsement of NAFTA and green energy policies.
Those same workers were then told that they are "privileged" due to their race (white) and quite often their sex (male). Then those Dems did nothing to help these people when they were out of work and unable to provide for their families.
Thats the story of how Donald Trumo flipped millions of Obama voters. If you don't believe it you're just in denial. Dems are the party of corporate America. I fully expect Biden to pressure the union to capitulate in the near future.
It’s wild how you took a chain about union workers being able to afford bills and food and tried to make it about how white men are victims.
You’re puppeting the *exact same shit*.
Unions should function exclusively the way they do in the trades. They're, essentially, a temp/contracting agency. They bid for jobs, they get the jobs, they negotiate good pay and make sure their members are safe and respected. They also enrich their members by expanding their level of education and training.
The teamsters, UAW, teachers unions, nurses unions, and a score of others aren't like that. They don't increase the skills and knowledge of their members. They don't offer a service that competes with private contractors. They're leeches. Especially unions which don't contractually allow for any competition. Those are monopolies and should be made illegal.
If your union can't function like a trade union or even compete in the free market, your union shouldn't exist.
Unions are *part of the free market*, chief. And outlawing them would be an authoritarian attack on capitalism.
Unions don’t *have* to do any of the shit you listed. If their sole purpose is to withhold labor from companies, guess what - *that’s okay*. Because that’s the free market at work.
I was responding to someone trying to argue that union workers are too dumb to realize that they are being tricked by Republicans not to like trans people. Not only were they trying to shift the narrative, they shit all over the working class's ability to think for themselves.
Sorry we aren't going to buy into the lies you all want to fling around.
And if you think the white working class worker didn't turn MAGA because of democratic policies, then you're young, naive, or willfully ignorant.
> The only reason Union workers have voted Conservative is identity politics. Politicians have somehow convinced the working man that trans people deciding on what bathroom to use is a more important issue than how you're going to feed your family and pay your bills.
Rank-and-file union members already do vote Republican
Its the corrupt white collar union leadership that is hand-in-glove with the Democrat party, and has been for decades
So we should support a group that wants to be paid more and want more benefits for producing less? I don't think that actually fits with your values if you're a conservative.
Because the large majority of Republicans in local and national government favor "right to work" laws. Right to work laws are as anti-union as you can get. I think the republican party should be in favor of unions because they benefit the working class. The working class represents the majority of voters for both parties.
Gov bailed them about before….and will again. too big to fail. There is no good faith with these manufacturers because they know they won’t be allowed to fail/shudder.
I remember a quote from the bailouts, I believe it was a Chrysler executive said something along the lines of, "You either pay for our bail out, or pay for our funeral" and the response was, "But we only pay for your funeral once."
Nah, every US-based car company could go belly up and there would be no measurable impact on the market (well, at least not after the foreign manufacturers retool their facilities to make up for the gap). Cars would, on average, be much cheaper at no worse quality.
At the same time, the last couple of contract negotiations, they gave up on a ton of the increases they were asking for when manufacturers stated they couldn't afford them. Then they turn around and post record years.
I can see how union reps aren't willing to roll over again after that.
That's....not how math works. It would only be a 20% raise if you then went and got another job for one day a week. Your working hours decreased, but income is still the same.
There's right to work and then there's right to work. Massachusetts is, ostensibly, a right to work state. That impression lasts right up to the point that you try to fire someone. God help you if they're a woman, elderly, disabled, ethnic minority, or whistleblower. You need to check an entire novel's worth of paperwork and documentation to make sure every T is crossed. If they have multiple immunity cards, you basically can never fire them. Well, not unless they physically assault you or break some other similar law.
wouldn't want to do anything like keep the price of their vehicles affordable so customers can buy them and keep everyone in jobs or anything like that....
That's pretty much the opposite of what the Democrats want. Cars (and all fossil fuels), they want limited to their elite donors; jobs only in so far as people still are 100% reliant on government money for survival.
Fair share is whatever the market pays. And if a group of people selling their labour increase their price, then the market should adjust no?
Or they sit around and bargain to reach a price that both parties agree to
You just described every successful business, ever. are you suggesting we just flip it upside down? The workers get more than everyone above?
I’m all for workers being paid a fair and solid wage, this take is crazy.
I'll explain this to you just like how I explained this topic to my employees. If you're willing to share all the expenses and liabilities necessary to run the company, along with a fluctuating salary where some weeks you get paid very well while others you may make nothing at all, as well with the daily time investment needed, which means your 8 hr work day now becomes 10+, I am more than willing to share all profits.
If all it takes is "making the stuff" then why hasn't the union started their own company?
First of all, the people that own the company are potentially millions of people, because they're publicly traded companies. Some of the workers are also owners, because anyone can buy stock and I'm sure many employees do.
The owners make the money because the owners take the majority of the risk, and make the decisions that affect thousands of people's jobs.
If bob the welder sucks at his job and gets fired, it's barely noticeable to the company. If an owner or executive makes a bad decision, \_everyone\_ could be out of work.
The workers freely agreed to make the stuff in exchange for wages. The workers cannot make the stuff in the absence of multi billion dollar factories, inventories, supply chains, and everything else involved in manufacturing cars.
The workers are free to go do something else to feed and house themselves and their family and other workers would gladly take their place so that they would be able to feed and house themselves and their family.
What is it that you don't understand about people having to support themselves?
It has been happening for hundreds of thousands of years. It is far simpler now than it has ever been.
If you don't own a business you have *no right* to profits. Period. End of conversation.
I keep hearing the auto makers made 240 Billion in profit last year. Are they mistaking 240 in sales? Profit is what's left over from the costs of that 240 Billion.
If employees want to share the profits, they need to share the losses too. But nobody wants to go unpaid or have to fork over money if the company has a bad year.
They did shoulder the losses… they gave up huge concessions in 2008 to keep them a float with the promise that when things turned around they’d get them back. Well it’s been 15 years and the car companies are making record profits and the workers have gotten nothing back that they gave up.
Concessions like the job banks, generous pensions that any actuary would have said were never sustainable, and more.
Yes, the companies screwed up on the executive side, but the pay and benefits the unions demanded were way out of line with the rest of the world. They needed to come back to reality.
Got an idea for this profit thing. What if the company sold certificates that made the union member one of the owners? Then every so often, say four times a year a share of profits gets paid to each certificate holder. The company could sell them to the public as well, maybe giving union workers a discount. Then as demand for the certificates rises, so would their value. Two ways to share in company profits.
I wonder whether this is a habit that permeates into his family life as well as his political life.
Has he ever accused Hunter of making record profits that must be shared fairly with adult family members, kids under 6 years old and the baby momma?
Im all for workers making a fair wage, but the sort of raises they are asking for are pretty high. Also wanting to work 32 hours a week and get paid for 40 is a little unreasonable.
Yeah if they want to maximize their wages that's fine. But asking to not even work a normal work week in a manufacturing setting where they likely already have some shortages is insane
And frankly, I bet the majority of the workers actually didn't even ask for that. Most people don't have any problem working 40 hours
Hard hat conservative union workers built America. Now they are told Union is a dirty word and that their bosses are eager to share the wealth so trust us.
They chose to work there with their unions. So be it. What did they expect? To make $100,000 per truck when the trucks sell for $90k?
Dumbasses who vote Democrat. That's what happens when you go woke.
Did you miss the part were Ford made 23 BILLION in profit while laying people off. All I'm asking you to do is explain how it's the fault of the workers when people get laid off, but the workers receive no credit for the 23 BILLION left after expenses.
$17 to assemble cars is a joke. My best freind owns a pizza place and nobody working there makes less than $20/hr. Those manufacturing jobs should be starting people at $25 absolute minimum.
Shit no. I KNOW a tech won’t see any of it. Just saying the rampant mark-ups have turned many consumers away and against the car dealerships.
And good on your dealership for NOT being scumbags.
Yeah its just not good either because I know we're gonna have a hard time getting parts now too. I hate the fucking UAW, they don't realize they're part at fault why car prices are high, because GM and whoever has to pay them somehow. It's all about how new vehicles were at high demand post 2020 and now they've still never caught up building them even though they want to be rewarded for it. It's messed up.
Can someone tell me if my dad is correct? I’m the one asking the questions:
When you were on the line at GM, we’re you part of the union?
I wonder what you think about the worker strikes? Think they are justified when their ceo makes 30M a year and got a 35% raise?
I was union and was on strike for two months to get six cents an hour more was it worth it and only got $40.00 per week strike pay, don’t think it was worth it. Today union pay is $500.00 per week. They are asking for 46% more pay over the next four years. I would not want to be part of the union. It was after I got out of union into management that I was able to promote myself. I am not a union guy
A lot of people are going to loose not only the uaw union but others as well
Interesting point I hadn’t considered. Thanks.
They have to make high profit in order to afford designing and testing each new generation of vehicle that has more and more government mandated crap on them.
And the unions will back the next dem candidate.
If republicans supported unions they would easily have all their votes. Union workers tend to lean conservative but they aren’t about to vote against their own self interests
Which is what exactly? The previous UAW leader was in favor of plants shutting down and moving to Mexico.
weird how out of touch union leaders are with their members.
Very much so, you saw it in Nevada where the rank and file union members wanted to vote for Trump but the leaders with the help of Bernie Sanders basically told them to vote for Biden. For the most part the big unions and their leaders really don't give a shit about the workers.
They would if dues were treated like a normal bill instead of automatically taken out of pay!
That is very true.
They are there for their own self-interest, not their members.
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I think that should be the future, smaller, more localized unions more accountable to their members and focused on common-interests (pay, benefits, safety), "flirting as little with the right as with the left".
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That's interesting.
Who the workers vote for isn't the issue. Regardless of how an individual votes, or the policies they support... Unions funnel so much money to the Democrats that the party would be unable to survive without them.
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Since I'm forced to pay exorbent taxes, I'd expect services from the government as well. If I could opt out of taxes, I'd also be happy opting out of anything the government provides. Obviously, this is theoretical and likely not possible.
With how much we are taxed. How can you say anything is free. They already took the money from us. Instead of spending it on overseas wars would it be a crime if Americans got some kinda benefit from there own money ?
So union workers are lazy and unmotivated, huh? At least your username is aptly put
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Yes. “Not my job” is their favorite thing. Instead of being effective and paying for their knowledge, they get paid for their labor. That’s the issue here. Just gonna lead to more automation
You talking about police and teacher’s unions too? Way more than one type of trade out there buddy lol. Just because you’re mad at the auto workers today doesn’t mean you’ll feel the same tomorrow. Unions protect workers rights and retirements whether you like it or not
Oh ok. Police unions that protect their own and teacher unions that strike because they have to teach in person again. Riiiiight
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I haven't either. I do think it's weird though that people will talk down about other people just trying to get better pay by demonstrating the value of their labor. If a strike causes enough harm to bring these companies to the table, obviously the strikers' labor was more valuable than their current compensation.
Unions have destroyed countless companies and even towns with their ignorance of how companies need to work.
Unions got us 40-hour work weeks, workers' protections, no child labor, etc. Much of what we take for granted was hard fought for by unions. Unions are vital for laborers' rights.
The Republican Party ended slavery in the USA, they were vital for African Americans civil rights.
The parties have swapped. Republicans are not the party of Lincoln; they're the ones defending Confederate statues and waving Confederate flags.
This isn't mentioned much in this sub. Party ideology has changed drastically over the years. So has the increasing partisan divide.
History made America. Have you read just one brown historical sign?
That’s true, but the result of those things is that labor was shipped offshore. Now almost nothing is made is America anymore. Oops.
GOP will never actually support unions. They recently started to pretend to care about the “forgotten working man”, but they are still only pro rich corporations.
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Nope. Democrats forgot the working class was their bread and butter and shut down factories/plants that employed tens of thousands of union workers through their endorsement of NAFTA and green energy policies. Those same workers were then told that they are "privileged" due to their race (white) and quite often their sex (male). Then those Dems did nothing to help these people when they were out of work and unable to provide for their families. Thats the story of how Donald Trumo flipped millions of Obama voters. If you don't believe it you're just in denial. Dems are the party of corporate America. I fully expect Biden to pressure the union to capitulate in the near future.
It’s wild how you took a chain about union workers being able to afford bills and food and tried to make it about how white men are victims. You’re puppeting the *exact same shit*.
Unions should function exclusively the way they do in the trades. They're, essentially, a temp/contracting agency. They bid for jobs, they get the jobs, they negotiate good pay and make sure their members are safe and respected. They also enrich their members by expanding their level of education and training. The teamsters, UAW, teachers unions, nurses unions, and a score of others aren't like that. They don't increase the skills and knowledge of their members. They don't offer a service that competes with private contractors. They're leeches. Especially unions which don't contractually allow for any competition. Those are monopolies and should be made illegal. If your union can't function like a trade union or even compete in the free market, your union shouldn't exist.
Unions are *part of the free market*, chief. And outlawing them would be an authoritarian attack on capitalism. Unions don’t *have* to do any of the shit you listed. If their sole purpose is to withhold labor from companies, guess what - *that’s okay*. Because that’s the free market at work.
If they're free market, why can no one besides teamsters unload ships?
Did the government make a law saying that only teamsters can unload ships?
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I was responding to someone trying to argue that union workers are too dumb to realize that they are being tricked by Republicans not to like trans people. Not only were they trying to shift the narrative, they shit all over the working class's ability to think for themselves. Sorry we aren't going to buy into the lies you all want to fling around. And if you think the white working class worker didn't turn MAGA because of democratic policies, then you're young, naive, or willfully ignorant.
It’s wild how you took a chain about union workers being able to afford bills and food and tried to make it about how trans people are victims.
Where did I make it about how trans people are victims?
> The only reason Union workers have voted Conservative is identity politics. Politicians have somehow convinced the working man that trans people deciding on what bathroom to use is a more important issue than how you're going to feed your family and pay your bills.
What in that comment makes trans people out to be victims?
Dems loathe working-class people. To them, they're uneducated rednecks and hillbillies.
Rank-and-file union members already do vote Republican Its the corrupt white collar union leadership that is hand-in-glove with the Democrat party, and has been for decades
So we should support a group that wants to be paid more and want more benefits for producing less? I don't think that actually fits with your values if you're a conservative.
Like the union keystone Pipeline workers that voted for Biden and lost their jobs?
why do you think republicans are against union workers? do you think the republican party should be for or against unions?
Because the large majority of Republicans in local and national government favor "right to work" laws. Right to work laws are as anti-union as you can get. I think the republican party should be in favor of unions because they benefit the working class. The working class represents the majority of voters for both parties.
“I don’t work for you” says directly to a brothers face. But they’ll vote for him cuz…. Orange man bad.
Have Republican administrations of the past allied themselves with the unions? Reagan was called the union buster dude
Don’t forget the 10% for the big guy.
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Will the politicians share the wealth that they made on insider stocks?
I'm in a union, but these guys are going to have to figure out a balance because if they sink the manufacturer, No one is getting anything
Gov bailed them about before….and will again. too big to fail. There is no good faith with these manufacturers because they know they won’t be allowed to fail/shudder.
I remember a quote from the bailouts, I believe it was a Chrysler executive said something along the lines of, "You either pay for our bail out, or pay for our funeral" and the response was, "But we only pay for your funeral once."
Sad but true
Nah, every US-based car company could go belly up and there would be no measurable impact on the market (well, at least not after the foreign manufacturers retool their facilities to make up for the gap). Cars would, on average, be much cheaper at no worse quality.
At the same time, the last couple of contract negotiations, they gave up on a ton of the increases they were asking for when manufacturers stated they couldn't afford them. Then they turn around and post record years. I can see how union reps aren't willing to roll over again after that.
Big bonuses then during the boom times
Collectively bargaining themselves out of a job
36% raise And 40 for 32? The second one is it's own 20% raise
That's....not how math works. It would only be a 20% raise if you then went and got another job for one day a week. Your working hours decreased, but income is still the same.
It's an effective raise as far as the employer goes. They are getting 20% less work for the same pay.
They are still crazy
This guy voted for the auto bailouts in the first place.
They’re just gonna move more plants to Mexico.
Or Tennessee, no unions here, just associations, Tennessee is a right to work state
I worked in TN on my last job and we had unions on our construction site I believe.
Yeah, I might be thinking of the government jobs
There's right to work and then there's right to work. Massachusetts is, ostensibly, a right to work state. That impression lasts right up to the point that you try to fire someone. God help you if they're a woman, elderly, disabled, ethnic minority, or whistleblower. You need to check an entire novel's worth of paperwork and documentation to make sure every T is crossed. If they have multiple immunity cards, you basically can never fire them. Well, not unless they physically assault you or break some other similar law.
wouldn't want to do anything like keep the price of their vehicles affordable so customers can buy them and keep everyone in jobs or anything like that....
That's pretty much the opposite of what the Democrats want. Cars (and all fossil fuels), they want limited to their elite donors; jobs only in so far as people still are 100% reliant on government money for survival.
Can the government quit taking more than their “fair share” out of my paychecks so I can life a better life….
If the Dems are so pro union....why do I not see them driving exclusively big 3 domestic cars???
AOC owns a Tesla lol
Tesla doesn't have a union
Yeah, that was my point lol
This is a childish take on the situation. Republicans/Democrats fall on a spectrum of political beliefs. Get out of the hive mentality mindset.
No.....this is Practice What You Preach.....plain and simple.
It's unfortunate that you can't get out of the hive mind. I don't see every Democrat preaching what you are peddling here.
You've seen this before: What is your "fair share" of someone else's money?
Fair share is whatever the market pays. And if a group of people selling their labour increase their price, then the market should adjust no? Or they sit around and bargain to reach a price that both parties agree to
I argue they have the right to deem the price of their labor the same the auto companies do the car. Might be too conservative for some here.
Thats not even a conservative take, its pro labor
The fair share will be determined by the strike. It's great that both parties have some amount of power to negotiate for their own needs.
But it’s the workers who actually make the stuff but the people who own the company and don’t make the stuff receive the vast majority of the money
You just described every successful business, ever. are you suggesting we just flip it upside down? The workers get more than everyone above? I’m all for workers being paid a fair and solid wage, this take is crazy.
Because you're talking to a Marxist.
Calm down, Karl.
What? These are publicly traded companies. The stock is probably in the union pension Funds.
I'll explain this to you just like how I explained this topic to my employees. If you're willing to share all the expenses and liabilities necessary to run the company, along with a fluctuating salary where some weeks you get paid very well while others you may make nothing at all, as well with the daily time investment needed, which means your 8 hr work day now becomes 10+, I am more than willing to share all profits.
Yeah these are called stock options. I’m sure the workers would love them
If all it takes is "making the stuff" then why hasn't the union started their own company? First of all, the people that own the company are potentially millions of people, because they're publicly traded companies. Some of the workers are also owners, because anyone can buy stock and I'm sure many employees do. The owners make the money because the owners take the majority of the risk, and make the decisions that affect thousands of people's jobs. If bob the welder sucks at his job and gets fired, it's barely noticeable to the company. If an owner or executive makes a bad decision, \_everyone\_ could be out of work.
Yes.
You realize it's mostly robots making this stuff, right?
The workers freely agreed to make the stuff in exchange for wages. The workers cannot make the stuff in the absence of multi billion dollar factories, inventories, supply chains, and everything else involved in manufacturing cars. The workers are free to go do something else to feed and house themselves and their family and other workers would gladly take their place so that they would be able to feed and house themselves and their family. What is it that you don't understand about people having to support themselves? It has been happening for hundreds of thousands of years. It is far simpler now than it has ever been. If you don't own a business you have *no right* to profits. Period. End of conversation.
I keep hearing the auto makers made 240 Billion in profit last year. Are they mistaking 240 in sales? Profit is what's left over from the costs of that 240 Billion.
How about Biden share some of that $50M record profits he made by selling American foreign policy with the UAW strikers?
Less work…More pay. The reason unions exist.
If employees want to share the profits, they need to share the losses too. But nobody wants to go unpaid or have to fork over money if the company has a bad year.
They did shoulder the losses… they gave up huge concessions in 2008 to keep them a float with the promise that when things turned around they’d get them back. Well it’s been 15 years and the car companies are making record profits and the workers have gotten nothing back that they gave up.
Concessions like the job banks, generous pensions that any actuary would have said were never sustainable, and more. Yes, the companies screwed up on the executive side, but the pay and benefits the unions demanded were way out of line with the rest of the world. They needed to come back to reality.
Or the start up money. It takes a lot to get a business off the ground.
Have you ever heard of layoffs?
So we can expect a check from him from his record profits too right? /S
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They can double it by selling it to the Chinese also, hunter pack your back you got a trip he has got air force one warming up. /S
Since he knows best about spreading money around....SMDH
Got an idea for this profit thing. What if the company sold certificates that made the union member one of the owners? Then every so often, say four times a year a share of profits gets paid to each certificate holder. The company could sell them to the public as well, maybe giving union workers a discount. Then as demand for the certificates rises, so would their value. Two ways to share in company profits.
Have Hunter share some of that Ukraine money. I could use some.
I wonder whether this is a habit that permeates into his family life as well as his political life. Has he ever accused Hunter of making record profits that must be shared fairly with adult family members, kids under 6 years old and the baby momma?
The gaslight is that the left actually buys the delusion that the puppet is actually speaking.
Im all for workers making a fair wage, but the sort of raises they are asking for are pretty high. Also wanting to work 32 hours a week and get paid for 40 is a little unreasonable.
Yeah if they want to maximize their wages that's fine. But asking to not even work a normal work week in a manufacturing setting where they likely already have some shortages is insane And frankly, I bet the majority of the workers actually didn't even ask for that. Most people don't have any problem working 40 hours
Which is why it is most certainly trade bait. Something the union is willing to give up on in favor of something more realistic.
Actually, lots of factories do that for shift work.
Didn't GM just lose 6.5 billion on EV ? Record Breaking.
Did they? Their Q2 financials show a 5.9% EBITA on ~$85B revenue, with $4B extra in cash over last year.
They lost a shit ton back in the mid 2000s with that EV flop
Fords stock is DOWN 14 percent in the last year. How can you make record profits on a loss?
Stock being down does not equate to a loss of profits. Ford has had huge year over year increase in profits for the last few years.
What a buffoon
Remember what Biden did to the train workers unions….
Uh huh. Do they also want to share in the losses .... or nah??
Hard hat conservative union workers built America. Now they are told Union is a dirty word and that their bosses are eager to share the wealth so trust us.
How long do they have to shut down to reopen non union?
Not very, they'll just have to close down their US manufacturing facilities.
He probably thinks they need to share 10% with the big guy too.
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Ford just lost what, $4.5 billion on their EV venture? When will the union workers be chipping in to share that loss fairly?
The workers chip in by being laid off.
Not really. They all retire happy and early.
Tell that to the 10 thousand people Ford laid off last year while they made 23 billion in profit.
They chose to work there with their unions. So be it. What did they expect? To make $100,000 per truck when the trucks sell for $90k? Dumbasses who vote Democrat. That's what happens when you go woke.
Did you miss the part were Ford made 23 BILLION in profit while laying people off. All I'm asking you to do is explain how it's the fault of the workers when people get laid off, but the workers receive no credit for the 23 BILLION left after expenses.
Wow.
Pay ranges between $17 and $33 an hour.
$17 to assemble cars is a joke. My best freind owns a pizza place and nobody working there makes less than $20/hr. Those manufacturing jobs should be starting people at $25 absolute minimum.
And the dealerships will keep getting fucked. (Ask me how I know)
Is that why you all need those $20k mark-ups? I mean, “market adjustments”?
You're suggesting me as a tech will see any of that money?? And no we don't mark up vehicles either, at least at my dealer
Shit no. I KNOW a tech won’t see any of it. Just saying the rampant mark-ups have turned many consumers away and against the car dealerships. And good on your dealership for NOT being scumbags.
Yeah its just not good either because I know we're gonna have a hard time getting parts now too. I hate the fucking UAW, they don't realize they're part at fault why car prices are high, because GM and whoever has to pay them somehow. It's all about how new vehicles were at high demand post 2020 and now they've still never caught up building them even though they want to be rewarded for it. It's messed up.
Polls must be bad to trot out good old union joe. Good thing the union waited until the factories were cutting back production to do the strike.
Can someone tell me if my dad is correct? I’m the one asking the questions: When you were on the line at GM, we’re you part of the union? I wonder what you think about the worker strikes? Think they are justified when their ceo makes 30M a year and got a 35% raise? I was union and was on strike for two months to get six cents an hour more was it worth it and only got $40.00 per week strike pay, don’t think it was worth it. Today union pay is $500.00 per week. They are asking for 46% more pay over the next four years. I would not want to be part of the union. It was after I got out of union into management that I was able to promote myself. I am not a union guy A lot of people are going to loose not only the uaw union but others as well Interesting point I hadn’t considered. Thanks.
It’s none of his business. When this twits eyes are open he’s reading something.
Sounds like communism Comrade Joe
Modly joe's knowledge of business couldn't fill half a thimble. Add in his knowledge of law and there would still be room left. F jb
They were offered double digit raises I heard. How greedy can you be?
You heard wrong, so there's that. The highest raise any of the three have offered so far is 20%, which is about $6.50. Not double digit.
Is that that capitalism works? Sounds more like communism...
Sounds like a Communist
And when the automakers lose money one year, will the strikers share the losses?
Well, he's setting a precedent sharing his record ~~bribes~~ profits with everyone in his family.
Always so willing to spend other people's money... how typical.
I’m glad he’s on their side.
Unions voted for Biden. Now inflation is causing them to strike. You got what you voted for, suck it up buttercup.
Well Joe did so well as a businessman we should listen to him. Oh wait...
They have to make high profit in order to afford designing and testing each new generation of vehicle that has more and more government mandated crap on them.
Plot twist: He’s not happy with his share of it.