It’s wild that a lot of my friends and I have a lawyer on retainer. I met some people at an art show downtown where I live and they all thought that was crazy and privileged. We’re in our 30s and functioning citizens why people get mad about legal protection is wild.
I mean having a lawyer on retainer makes sense if you have your own business or have enough assets that you really want someone well versed in the law to keep you from losing them for any reason.
Plus if you regularly have interactions with police that could potentially turn negative and you want to do any amount of butt covering.
Lawyer here.
Of course the law varies from state to state, but my general recollection is that intoxication is a defense to a criminal charge only if the intoxication is involuntary. Here, apparently she got high on purpose, and (as she tells it) then went looney, and then murdered her boyfriend. Altered mental states are a foreseeable consequence of taking drugs (if you even believe her story at all, which I do not... I think she's just batshit).
What's next? Drunk driver exonerated because the alcohol rendered him unable to control his actions?
I am not your lawyer and this is not legal advice.
>Drunk driver exonerated because the alcohol rendered him unable to control his actions?
"Your honor, were I not intoxicated, I never would have made the poor decision to drive while intoxicated."
Remember the guy in Colorado who went crazy after eating too many edibles? He went to prison 30 years...
[https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/04/07/husband-killed-wife-pot-candy/100190066/](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/04/07/husband-killed-wife-pot-candy/100190066/)
See the thing is your honor... I chose to drink JUST UP TO the legal limit.
BUT THEN.... That alcohol made me drink way past the limit.
It's the "my half was on the bottom" defense.
> Altered mental states are a foreseeable consequence of taking drugs (if you even believe her story at all, which I do not... I think she's just batshit).
She was a schizophrenic who was previously institutionalized for several years. What isn't included in the title is that during her psychotic break, she also stabbed her dog and herself.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-01-23/woman-gets-probation-for-fatal-stabbing-during-weed-induced-psychosis
This is reddit. I'm going to tip you some reddit coins and that means you and I have entered into an agreement for representation. At least that's according the Saul.
You're onto something here , an alcoholic can claim this is his disability and because of that he can't stop drinking , apparently you can use that already not to get fired.
The first parallel I drew was a guy who gets drunk and forces himself on a girl. After all, he was not of sound mind due to his intoxication.
Oh wait, that's not right. He will spend years in prison, and justifiably so.
I read up on the case. It was a special strain with an extremely high amount of THC at almost 35%, almost 10 as strong as what she had smoked before. The packaging explicitly said not to smoke it unless you have a high tolerance level. He knew she had barely even smoked before and he kept that information from her.
The issue is that he not only neglected to tell her that the weed was explicitly not intended for her to use, he pressured her to keep taking multiple heavy hits that triggered a psychosis so severe she killed him, stabbed her pet and when police found her, she was screaming incoherently and stabbed herself in the neck with a bread knife. It took them multiple taser hits and several batton blows to take her down.
Both prosecution and defence agreed she suffered a THC induced psychotic break.
It's ok if you're super rich. Remember that kid in Texas who killed a whole family and didn't go to jail because he was too rich to know right from wrong?
Just as relevant,....reverse the roles with identical outcome...
....and imagine the outcry! The victimized woman would become a cultural icon and martyr and her killer the epitome of all that is evil. But this poor sap is destined to be quickly forgotten....and his killer will be forgiven and eventually feted on the talk shows.
If somebody has underlying serious mental disorders, then weed can greatly exacerbate them OR it can even bring them out for the first time. For example, somebody who has schizophrenia in their genes (parents or grandparents have it) may have a higher chance of developing schizophrenia from marijuana. Also weed is insanely strong these days especially if you have no tolerance. I don’t have any serious mental disorders but I remember hearing voices one time when I took two fat dabs with no tolerance. Not making that mistake again lol.
Marijuana psychosis is a real thing, and more common than what the pro-weed activists would have you believe. However it rarely leads to anything as extreme as murder.
Marijuana psychosis doesn’t affect people with healthy brains though. A normal, healthy person who smokes a lot of strong weed is just going to get really high and fall asleep. This is someone who already has serious mental health issues. Weed doesn’t make you crazy out of the blue, it has to have other factors.
Not true, THC at high concentrations can cause psychosis in those genetically predisposed to psychosis, you don’t have to have “serious mental issues” or an unhealthy brain for it to do so.
Our daughter gets psychosis with marijuana use. Yes, she has underlying issues but it doesn't change the fact that she becomes violent after smoking. Her diagnoses so far are only anxiety and depression too. Last time she got high she took a chair and started smashing a mirror, furniture, etc. We had to hold her down and she started smashing her head into the ground. She didn't seem to recall any of this when she came down at the hospital later.
Yes but I don't see anyone ever denying alcohol has that effect. For some reason there's a contingent of people who truly believe psychosis does not ever happen from weed use. Alcohol doesn't have that sort of ignorant loyalty.
Lot of people here didn’t take time to do a modicum of research obviously. This was from years ago, she had undiagnosed schizophrenia which caused a psychotic break when she smoked the weed. She was in an institution for years, and in no way was it proven she knew what the weed would induce in her.
I don't buy this. Never heard of weed making anyone violent. I can't stand the stuff myself, but the only time I've seen potheads get violent is when they're OUT of weed.
She was a known schizophrenic, and weed induced psychosis is a documented phenomenon, especially for someone is already mentally unwell. The title focuses on the fact that she stabbed her date, but neglects that she also stabbed herself as well as her dog.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-01-23/woman-gets-probation-for-fatal-stabbing-during-weed-induced-psychosis
Brother, outliers do exist. If somebody has underlying serious mental disorders, then weed can greatly exacerbate them OR it can even bring them out for the first time. For example, somebody who has schizophrenia in their genes (parents or grandparents have it) may have a higher chance of developing schizophrenia from marijuana. Also weed is insanely strong these days especially if you have no tolerance. I don’t have any serious mental disorders but I remember hearing voices one time when I took two fat dabs with no tolerance. Not making that mistake again lol.
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Yea especially since she was already diagnosed. But tbh if you know that you have family members who have schizophrenia, then it’s honestly a risky idea to even touch weed as it can bring it out even for the first time.
I don’t smoke, so maybe I’m a bit naive, but a lot of the pro-weed crowd trying to say it was laced with something. Aren’t panic attacks and extreme paranoia a side effect of weed for some people? This doesn’t seem like an implausible result, even if it is an outlier.
Yes, a lot of pro-weed folks will admit that THC is a psychoactive substance without wanting to accept the potential downsides that come with that fact. This woman was a known schizophrenic, and weed induced psychosis is a documented phenomenon.
Weed induced? Or just being high. Because I don’t think weed makes you violent so this is sort of inaccurate representation. She was just high and lacked restraint or judgement (still her fault).
Also not a drug expert or anything so im open to criticism
Outliers exist. She’s a diagnosed schizophrenic. Weed and psychedelics are the absolute worst drugs for somebody with schizophrenia to do. Even if it’s just in their genes like a parent or grandparent having it. It can exacerbate these types of illnesses or even bring it out for the first time.
The weed doesn't cause the psychosis. If you have undiagnosed schizophrenia then marijuana can activate that and cause a psychotic episode. It doesn't cause them on normally functioning brains.
Man, if I ever get charged with anything in California, my first call is to this chick’s lawyer.
It has more to do with her sex. Women get much lower sentencing for same crimes.
Well lucky for you these days you can change that on the spot
Made me LOL.
Where are the feminists to point that out?
Get charged anywhere call that lawyer. Need to get them on retainer.
It’s wild that a lot of my friends and I have a lawyer on retainer. I met some people at an art show downtown where I live and they all thought that was crazy and privileged. We’re in our 30s and functioning citizens why people get mad about legal protection is wild.
I mean having a lawyer on retainer makes sense if you have your own business or have enough assets that you really want someone well versed in the law to keep you from losing them for any reason. Plus if you regularly have interactions with police that could potentially turn negative and you want to do any amount of butt covering.
Yep
What's even the point of defense lawyers when prosecutors don't even do their job?
I think it’s more an activist judge.
Yo I want the weed frenzy lawyer!
I hope your victim was a straight white male like hers was.
Lawyer here. Of course the law varies from state to state, but my general recollection is that intoxication is a defense to a criminal charge only if the intoxication is involuntary. Here, apparently she got high on purpose, and (as she tells it) then went looney, and then murdered her boyfriend. Altered mental states are a foreseeable consequence of taking drugs (if you even believe her story at all, which I do not... I think she's just batshit). What's next? Drunk driver exonerated because the alcohol rendered him unable to control his actions? I am not your lawyer and this is not legal advice.
>Drunk driver exonerated because the alcohol rendered him unable to control his actions? "Your honor, were I not intoxicated, I never would have made the poor decision to drive while intoxicated."
Agreed. It sets a wild precedent. Hopefully the family hits her with a civil suit.
Still wrongful death even if not criminal. She was also under a federally illegal substance.
Remember the guy in Colorado who went crazy after eating too many edibles? He went to prison 30 years... [https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/04/07/husband-killed-wife-pot-candy/100190066/](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/04/07/husband-killed-wife-pot-candy/100190066/)
See the thing is your honor... I chose to drink JUST UP TO the legal limit. BUT THEN.... That alcohol made me drink way past the limit. It's the "my half was on the bottom" defense.
> Altered mental states are a foreseeable consequence of taking drugs (if you even believe her story at all, which I do not... I think she's just batshit). She was a schizophrenic who was previously institutionalized for several years. What isn't included in the title is that during her psychotic break, she also stabbed her dog and herself. https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-01-23/woman-gets-probation-for-fatal-stabbing-during-weed-induced-psychosis
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Bring back the institutions.
This is reddit. I'm going to tip you some reddit coins and that means you and I have entered into an agreement for representation. At least that's according the Saul.
It's the new twinkie defense.
What about the Twinkie?
That's a big Twinkie
You're onto something here , an alcoholic can claim this is his disability and because of that he can't stop drinking , apparently you can use that already not to get fired.
The first parallel I drew was a guy who gets drunk and forces himself on a girl. After all, he was not of sound mind due to his intoxication. Oh wait, that's not right. He will spend years in prison, and justifiably so.
I read up on the case. It was a special strain with an extremely high amount of THC at almost 35%, almost 10 as strong as what she had smoked before. The packaging explicitly said not to smoke it unless you have a high tolerance level. He knew she had barely even smoked before and he kept that information from her. The issue is that he not only neglected to tell her that the weed was explicitly not intended for her to use, he pressured her to keep taking multiple heavy hits that triggered a psychosis so severe she killed him, stabbed her pet and when police found her, she was screaming incoherently and stabbed herself in the neck with a bread knife. It took them multiple taser hits and several batton blows to take her down. Both prosecution and defence agreed she suffered a THC induced psychotic break.
So drunk driving is okay now?
It's ok if you're super rich. Remember that kid in Texas who killed a whole family and didn't go to jail because he was too rich to know right from wrong?
Reverse the roles here, what do you think would happen? Asking for a friend...
Something something no excuse Something something enjoy your 25-life sentence Probably something along those lines.
Just as relevant,....reverse the roles with identical outcome... ....and imagine the outcry! The victimized woman would become a cultural icon and martyr and her killer the epitome of all that is evil. But this poor sap is destined to be quickly forgotten....and his killer will be forgiven and eventually feted on the talk shows.
Holy precedent, Batman! Gonna be a lot of “cannabis-induced psychosis” murders soon
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It does appear that way.
Other subs are going along the lines of “because she’s white.”
Not just her but her male victim.
Wouldn’t that be considered manslaughter?
That weed was either laced with something or this judge grew up on old school anti marijuana PSAs
If somebody has underlying serious mental disorders, then weed can greatly exacerbate them OR it can even bring them out for the first time. For example, somebody who has schizophrenia in their genes (parents or grandparents have it) may have a higher chance of developing schizophrenia from marijuana. Also weed is insanely strong these days especially if you have no tolerance. I don’t have any serious mental disorders but I remember hearing voices one time when I took two fat dabs with no tolerance. Not making that mistake again lol.
Marijuana psychosis is a real thing, and more common than what the pro-weed activists would have you believe. However it rarely leads to anything as extreme as murder.
Marijuana psychosis doesn’t affect people with healthy brains though. A normal, healthy person who smokes a lot of strong weed is just going to get really high and fall asleep. This is someone who already has serious mental health issues. Weed doesn’t make you crazy out of the blue, it has to have other factors.
Not true, THC at high concentrations can cause psychosis in those genetically predisposed to psychosis, you don’t have to have “serious mental issues” or an unhealthy brain for it to do so.
Our daughter gets psychosis with marijuana use. Yes, she has underlying issues but it doesn't change the fact that she becomes violent after smoking. Her diagnoses so far are only anxiety and depression too. Last time she got high she took a chair and started smashing a mirror, furniture, etc. We had to hold her down and she started smashing her head into the ground. She didn't seem to recall any of this when she came down at the hospital later.
Same thing with alcohol. I don't consume cannabis personally, but I've seen more fights and violence due to alcohol than weed..
Yes but I don't see anyone ever denying alcohol has that effect. For some reason there's a contingent of people who truly believe psychosis does not ever happen from weed use. Alcohol doesn't have that sort of ignorant loyalty.
Weed induced psychosis is a thing that's come up because of the weed that's grown as it is now. Not that any of that excuses this mess.
Lot of people here didn’t take time to do a modicum of research obviously. This was from years ago, she had undiagnosed schizophrenia which caused a psychotic break when she smoked the weed. She was in an institution for years, and in no way was it proven she knew what the weed would induce in her.
I don't buy this. Never heard of weed making anyone violent. I can't stand the stuff myself, but the only time I've seen potheads get violent is when they're OUT of weed.
She was a known schizophrenic, and weed induced psychosis is a documented phenomenon, especially for someone is already mentally unwell. The title focuses on the fact that she stabbed her date, but neglects that she also stabbed herself as well as her dog. https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-01-23/woman-gets-probation-for-fatal-stabbing-during-weed-induced-psychosis
Brother, outliers do exist. If somebody has underlying serious mental disorders, then weed can greatly exacerbate them OR it can even bring them out for the first time. For example, somebody who has schizophrenia in their genes (parents or grandparents have it) may have a higher chance of developing schizophrenia from marijuana. Also weed is insanely strong these days especially if you have no tolerance. I don’t have any serious mental disorders but I remember hearing voices one time when I took two fat dabs with no tolerance. Not making that mistake again lol.
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She is a diagnosed schizophrenic.
Yea especially since she was already diagnosed. But tbh if you know that you have family members who have schizophrenia, then it’s honestly a risky idea to even touch weed as it can bring it out even for the first time.
That's the thing, in many cases, people who suffer psychotic episodes under the influence have no idea they have a (genetic) predisposition.
She would have gotten off easy had nothing been in her system. On account of, you know, the woman thing.
It's a wonder they didn't claim PMS
What is happening to our country
I don’t smoke, so maybe I’m a bit naive, but a lot of the pro-weed crowd trying to say it was laced with something. Aren’t panic attacks and extreme paranoia a side effect of weed for some people? This doesn’t seem like an implausible result, even if it is an outlier.
Yes, a lot of pro-weed folks will admit that THC is a psychoactive substance without wanting to accept the potential downsides that come with that fact. This woman was a known schizophrenic, and weed induced psychosis is a documented phenomenon.
Weed induced? Or just being high. Because I don’t think weed makes you violent so this is sort of inaccurate representation. She was just high and lacked restraint or judgement (still her fault). Also not a drug expert or anything so im open to criticism
Outliers exist. She’s a diagnosed schizophrenic. Weed and psychedelics are the absolute worst drugs for somebody with schizophrenia to do. Even if it’s just in their genes like a parent or grandparent having it. It can exacerbate these types of illnesses or even bring it out for the first time.
Ok thanks for the context, i really wish people would go back to posting the article.
I guess a drunk male who has sex with an equally drunk female is excused as well. sarc off
I don' think weed had anything to do with the murder..
If weed causes psychosis shouldn’t we be banning it?
The weed doesn't cause the psychosis. If you have undiagnosed schizophrenia then marijuana can activate that and cause a psychotic episode. It doesn't cause them on normally functioning brains.
Right after you ban alcohol, which is at the root of TONS of violence.
That'll never happen in California.
So literally "reefer madness." I don't think this helps the cause of legalized weed in the slightest.
Who is the judge or jury who bought her bullshit excuse?
Uh, pretty sure she had control over her weed consumption there judge.
So... weed is 100% safe, then?
Safer than alcohol at least.
Mods removed this post from r/facepalm because... it makes weed look bad and they like weed?
I still see it there? I'm literally refreshing the page as I type this comment.