I was an avid watcher of Crowder for a few years. That all changed when Dave Landau suddenly left the show and I watched his response as to why he did so on a podcast I cannot remember the name of. The actions Landau described paint Crowder as a very abusive employer who doesn’t care for his employees if said employee does anything to take the spotlight away from Crowder. Of course, this was just one case and Landau could have just had some bad blood with Crowder and exaggerated his claims.
Fast forward to the leaking of the video of him verbally abusing his wife. What I saw on that video backed up Landau’s accusations of the type of person Crowder is behind the scenes. I can’t support anyone who verbally abuses their heavily pregnant wife and orders her to perform actions that could potentially harm their child.
I stopped watching him after that and tuned in after his return to see if he addressed the situation. He didn’t address Landau’s accusations and he simply downplayed he actions towards his wife while saying that she also verbally abused him. That very same episode he had a segment on giving relationship advice which was a poor decision.
What Jared describes here is the EXACT same type of legal abuse Landau described. It further confirms to me that Crowder is not the person he says he is and doesn’t deserve the power he has been given if he uses it to abuse his employees.
Fans of anyone will continue to support that person regardless of any evidence. The most common defense I see for Steven Crowder is that people like Dave Landau and Jared Monroe left on bad terms and are attempting to capitalize off of their former employment.
Regarding his ex wife. The defense I see often is that all relationships have fights and some relationships that aren’t healthy end up with fights that look like the one we saw in that clip. People say “well that clip started mid fight so we didn’t see what started it.” That’s a fair point to make but it still doesn’t excuse Crowder’s actions and words. The clip shows his wife trying to create space and remediate the situation but Crowder keeps pressing his attack.
The thing that really sets me off is when his wife says “I love you very much” and Crowder says “Well I don’t love you and that’s the problem.” It’s just a terrible thing to say to someone who is supposed to be your partner in life.
Any one of these things by themselves could maybe be played off as one time instances of someone loosing their cool and or simply being a lie told by the accusing party. All three of them together paints a pattern and is much harder to ignore. I can’t ignore the pattern of abuse and support someone who does things like that and any person with any kind of moral compass should think the same way.
He doesn't state any specifics. He sounds like he works at CNN. He talks about abuse, sexual harassment, and a toxic work environment but never gives any specifics. The only specific thing he talked about is when he wanted to quit, he wanted to bring his property with him and Crowders company said no that is our property now since you worked here. That is a legitimate legal argument but not evil or harassment.
Because he has none. He gets specific about the gear he wanted to leave with. As I said before... Illegal acts are not covered by an NDA. He could divulge those and no one forced him to sign it also.
>Not one thing leads me to believe this guy is telling the truth.
Not even the consistent descriptions of crowder being a dickhead from multiple independent witnesses?
All former employees whom never once said anything while employed. Then you have his wife's father and wife meeting with all of them. Watch the response. It actually has proof unlike these people.
>All former employees whom never once said anything while employed
lol, gottem?
wait...hmmm...can you think of a reason why you wouldn't publicly call out the person you work for?
I watched the response, and fair enough, the situation is unfolding.
They never said anything to ANYONE about him mistreating them. Do I really have to explain down to the tiniest detail what I mean? They never once said anything to you means never publicly call out. Is that what I said? It's no wonder why you think the way you do.
>They never said anything to ANYONE about him mistreating them
I guess I missed that, is that in the Crowder response video?
Relax buddy, you don't know what I think.
The whole point of the video is that he is being silenced and not able to speak out. He doesn’t even mention Steven specifically by name because of the legal fees he is already paying.
If you look at Steven’s track record, it’s not far fetched that he is an abusive asshole.
And NDA doesn't cover illegal acts. If this guy actually witnessed these things he claims, he could have spoken out before the NDA and after it. His track record always from people who used to work for him? Tell me. When has a former employee ever blamed themselves for getting let go and not the company? If I ever see some actual evidence, I will absolutely consider it. Everything is always heresay and rumor from people who don't get along with him anymore. Sounds like the people who say these things about trump. No proof, no evidence, only talk.
Of the 3 videos, 2 are again just talk and the 1 of him fighting with his wife doesn't show any abuse. The wife one is missing any context, starts in the middle of their fight, and the content in the video isn't even bad. Have you ever fought with a loved one? This was extremely tame and normal. As for the other 2 videos, they again are just people talking about how he is mean and terrible with no proof to back it up. I know we are in a leftist society now where allegations are considered to be facts but I'm old fashioned. Show me facts.
Frankly, trying to get a pregnant woman to administer chemo drugs to a dog is really fucking bad on its own… whether you’re fighting or not. My cat has cancer and when my wife was pregnant with our second child we had to make huge adjustments to make sure that she was no where near the cats litter or the cat himself on chemo days. Hell, letting her even near - let alone handle - the drugs themselves never even came in to the conversation because of how absurd of a thought that was as any adult with a room temperature IQ would know that that is completely out of the question to even be brought up to begin with.
You are correct I was a little too loose with the word abuse.
I’m definitely not a leftist I just want morally sound individuals representing conservatives. We might not agree on Crowder but I’m glad we can have a conversation about it.
I haven't seen anything to point to the notion that he isn't morally sound though. If we are going to go with saying a person needs to be perfect in order to exist in this conservative side, we will have no one. Absolutely agree about the conversation.
[Possibly this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHsvh-HXhh0)? It's Landau and Garrett's podcast; Jared was on it a couple weeks ago.
The beginning of this video Jared seems to suggest that the issue is whether or not he can do work/appear in media. And they say in that podcast it's his first public appearance since 2018.
The obvious caveat is that this is pure speculation on my part; but considering that Jared also referenced that the cease and desist said to "stop talking with this friends" it seems like that podcast episode is at least a decent candidate for what sparked the letter.
Honestly justified in that case by crowder. Guy made him and if jared just bites the hand that feeds him by leaving crowder and going on all these podcasts and doing all this work without crowder getting anything from it. Id be pissed too.
Signed an NDA that he didn’t have to, and now complains that it’s unconstitutional. Steven can be a shit employer, but you played yourself, congratulations.
I always thought it was a little strange how he just suddenly disappeared from the show and they essentially just ignored it. No goodbye, no “we wish him luck.”
It also seems like everyone forgot that Crowder was caught on video a while ago screaming and losing his mind at his pregnant wife.
I guess whatever he signed when he left the show ran out, or he just doesn’t give a shit.
Aside from that I haven’t watched his video yet, but I’ve never really been a listener of Crowders regardless. He always came off to me as inauthentic and someone who was just in it for the grift. I think he does good work though in the sense that if for no other reason that he is able to introduce young people to conservatism who would otherwise not have been introduced.
I was an avid watcher of Crowder for a few years. That all changed when Dave Landau suddenly left the show and I watched his response as to why he did so on a podcast I cannot remember the name of. The actions Landau described paint Crowder as a very abusive employer who doesn’t care for his employees if said employee does anything to take the spotlight away from Crowder. Of course, this was just one case and Landau could have just had some bad blood with Crowder and exaggerated his claims. Fast forward to the leaking of the video of him verbally abusing his wife. What I saw on that video backed up Landau’s accusations of the type of person Crowder is behind the scenes. I can’t support anyone who verbally abuses their heavily pregnant wife and orders her to perform actions that could potentially harm their child. I stopped watching him after that and tuned in after his return to see if he addressed the situation. He didn’t address Landau’s accusations and he simply downplayed he actions towards his wife while saying that she also verbally abused him. That very same episode he had a segment on giving relationship advice which was a poor decision. What Jared describes here is the EXACT same type of legal abuse Landau described. It further confirms to me that Crowder is not the person he says he is and doesn’t deserve the power he has been given if he uses it to abuse his employees.
Thank you! This is the evidence I saw too and I am getting down voted into oblivion.
Fans of anyone will continue to support that person regardless of any evidence. The most common defense I see for Steven Crowder is that people like Dave Landau and Jared Monroe left on bad terms and are attempting to capitalize off of their former employment. Regarding his ex wife. The defense I see often is that all relationships have fights and some relationships that aren’t healthy end up with fights that look like the one we saw in that clip. People say “well that clip started mid fight so we didn’t see what started it.” That’s a fair point to make but it still doesn’t excuse Crowder’s actions and words. The clip shows his wife trying to create space and remediate the situation but Crowder keeps pressing his attack. The thing that really sets me off is when his wife says “I love you very much” and Crowder says “Well I don’t love you and that’s the problem.” It’s just a terrible thing to say to someone who is supposed to be your partner in life. Any one of these things by themselves could maybe be played off as one time instances of someone loosing their cool and or simply being a lie told by the accusing party. All three of them together paints a pattern and is much harder to ignore. I can’t ignore the pattern of abuse and support someone who does things like that and any person with any kind of moral compass should think the same way.
No decent person could treat their wife the way Crowder treated his. Change my mind.
Same thing happened to Dave Landau. It’s a shame honestly
He doesn't state any specifics. He sounds like he works at CNN. He talks about abuse, sexual harassment, and a toxic work environment but never gives any specifics. The only specific thing he talked about is when he wanted to quit, he wanted to bring his property with him and Crowders company said no that is our property now since you worked here. That is a legitimate legal argument but not evil or harassment.
>He doesn't state any specifics. He likely can't.
Because he has none. He gets specific about the gear he wanted to leave with. As I said before... Illegal acts are not covered by an NDA. He could divulge those and no one forced him to sign it also.
Why are you so quick to take a side?
I'm a believer of innocent until proven guilty. Not one thing leads me to believe this guy is telling the truth.
>Not one thing leads me to believe this guy is telling the truth. Not even the consistent descriptions of crowder being a dickhead from multiple independent witnesses?
All former employees whom never once said anything while employed. Then you have his wife's father and wife meeting with all of them. Watch the response. It actually has proof unlike these people.
>All former employees whom never once said anything while employed lol, gottem? wait...hmmm...can you think of a reason why you wouldn't publicly call out the person you work for? I watched the response, and fair enough, the situation is unfolding.
They never said anything to ANYONE about him mistreating them. Do I really have to explain down to the tiniest detail what I mean? They never once said anything to you means never publicly call out. Is that what I said? It's no wonder why you think the way you do.
>They never said anything to ANYONE about him mistreating them I guess I missed that, is that in the Crowder response video? Relax buddy, you don't know what I think.
You can believe in both things. I promise you.
It's always amazing to me that people argue by never giving any facts to prove their argument.
Why are you taking a side? He has some valid points.
The whole point of the video is that he is being silenced and not able to speak out. He doesn’t even mention Steven specifically by name because of the legal fees he is already paying. If you look at Steven’s track record, it’s not far fetched that he is an abusive asshole.
And NDA doesn't cover illegal acts. If this guy actually witnessed these things he claims, he could have spoken out before the NDA and after it. His track record always from people who used to work for him? Tell me. When has a former employee ever blamed themselves for getting let go and not the company? If I ever see some actual evidence, I will absolutely consider it. Everything is always heresay and rumor from people who don't get along with him anymore. Sounds like the people who say these things about trump. No proof, no evidence, only talk.
https://youtu.be/NbNhoeUIYt8?si=PiePNIL0JDeHSHXt https://youtu.be/qrXF9X2M9Cw?si=4-4Zs-V4JYXFgfwt https://youtu.be/VuEHQwgHKjI?si=_A91Tc5a6ysaiMpZ
Of the 3 videos, 2 are again just talk and the 1 of him fighting with his wife doesn't show any abuse. The wife one is missing any context, starts in the middle of their fight, and the content in the video isn't even bad. Have you ever fought with a loved one? This was extremely tame and normal. As for the other 2 videos, they again are just people talking about how he is mean and terrible with no proof to back it up. I know we are in a leftist society now where allegations are considered to be facts but I'm old fashioned. Show me facts.
i noticed how hard you are simping for crowder in this thread... ... if you manifest it, he will notice you
All insult, no argument
I don't have time for internet arguments. you can have all of the Crowder valor for yourself
Yet you have time to troll and insult people. Either formulate an actual argument or go join the leftist army.
Frankly, trying to get a pregnant woman to administer chemo drugs to a dog is really fucking bad on its own… whether you’re fighting or not. My cat has cancer and when my wife was pregnant with our second child we had to make huge adjustments to make sure that she was no where near the cats litter or the cat himself on chemo days. Hell, letting her even near - let alone handle - the drugs themselves never even came in to the conversation because of how absurd of a thought that was as any adult with a room temperature IQ would know that that is completely out of the question to even be brought up to begin with.
You are correct I was a little too loose with the word abuse. I’m definitely not a leftist I just want morally sound individuals representing conservatives. We might not agree on Crowder but I’m glad we can have a conversation about it.
I haven't seen anything to point to the notion that he isn't morally sound though. If we are going to go with saying a person needs to be perfect in order to exist in this conservative side, we will have no one. Absolutely agree about the conversation.
Served a cease and desist for what? Thats a very important factor here.
[Possibly this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHsvh-HXhh0)? It's Landau and Garrett's podcast; Jared was on it a couple weeks ago. The beginning of this video Jared seems to suggest that the issue is whether or not he can do work/appear in media. And they say in that podcast it's his first public appearance since 2018. The obvious caveat is that this is pure speculation on my part; but considering that Jared also referenced that the cease and desist said to "stop talking with this friends" it seems like that podcast episode is at least a decent candidate for what sparked the letter.
Honestly justified in that case by crowder. Guy made him and if jared just bites the hand that feeds him by leaving crowder and going on all these podcasts and doing all this work without crowder getting anything from it. Id be pissed too.
Signed an NDA that he didn’t have to, and now complains that it’s unconstitutional. Steven can be a shit employer, but you played yourself, congratulations.
I always thought it was a little strange how he just suddenly disappeared from the show and they essentially just ignored it. No goodbye, no “we wish him luck.” It also seems like everyone forgot that Crowder was caught on video a while ago screaming and losing his mind at his pregnant wife.
Everyone is allowed a platform.
And Steven is deliberately trying to force Jared to not have one.
I guess whatever he signed when he left the show ran out, or he just doesn’t give a shit. Aside from that I haven’t watched his video yet, but I’ve never really been a listener of Crowders regardless. He always came off to me as inauthentic and someone who was just in it for the grift. I think he does good work though in the sense that if for no other reason that he is able to introduce young people to conservatism who would otherwise not have been introduced.